Meme Cartridges

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>>31290689
My dad just now found out about RIP rounds. Had to break it to him gently. He just got mad and kept defending a round he has never even seen in person.
Feels bad

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Literally no upside to this meme cartridge.

>>31290728
RIP... lol. I'm new to /k/ so I don't know about the conventional wisdom here concerning RIP ammo, but it is a joke. Those trokars have zero chance of penetrating anything meaningful and what your left with is a much lighter projectile, the base, which is less likely to hold it trajectory. I just picture those trokars riding along rib bones causing nothing but superficial wounds. Marketing that shit as self defense ammo is malpractice. Ill keep my federal hst thank you very much.

This is a beast of a cartridge but I cant shoot it for shit. I want to like it but I cant.

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>>31290803
whoops forgot pic

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The ballistics tests I've seen with this guy look promising

>>31290816
.40 S&W fills that niche and you can find plenty of cheap guns because people bought into the counter meme and dumped thier guns

>>31290689
Slightly more powerful bottleneck 9 at x2 the cost.

>>31290982
.40 s&w has all the drawbacks of reduced ammo capacity without the perks of increased lethality.

why pick it over 9mm?

>>31290729
Too weak to best a .45
Too powerful to be a 9mm
Too weak to be 10mm

Its just a joke caliber that only holds popularity because they can make .40 versions on 9mm patterns easily. And autists but them thinking "oh it's all the power of a .45 with muh capacity of a 9mm"

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Everyone shits on 5.7x28mm, .40 S&W, and 10mm but here is a literal meme cartridge that fucking NOBODY uses outside of agencies that were subsidized by Glock to switch to it.

>>31290982
Yeah I've started checking classifieds for a used pistol and I do see an awful lot of .40s. I really want a revolver though. I dont have a wheel gun. I've been strongly considering a smith 686 and if I find one for the right price I think I will jump on it.

>>31291050
wtf is that shit? I have never heard of 45 gap. It it just a hotter 45 acp?

>>31290958
Smoothest and best firing gun I ever owned.

I can hit shit with that that I can hit with no other handgun. The FN cartridges kick ass. The federal FMJs suck eggs and only are good for S&Gs. For a while until I got my polish Makarov I used to carry it daily. Good gun.

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>>31291089
It's Fuddy-five with an overall length close to 9mm Luger

>>31291050
Its like .45 ACPs retarded brother that he just helps because if he didnt nobody would.

>>31291116
Its literally Glock being an edgelord. Fuck me.

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>>31290728
Talk to him about lehigh defense ammo. They're literally RIP rounds but actually functional and not gimmicks.

I broke it to my dad when he told me he was considering on an ACR or a .40 pistol because he thought it was a one shot manstopper. You're his wife's son, don't let him meme himself that hard and point him to the right direction.

>>31291050
/thread

>>31290840
I love these fucking things.

>>31291116
What a faggy idea. If a gun chambered in 45 acp is too big for your hands then you shouldnt be shooting guns Leave it to men. You win. this is the ultimate meme cartridge.

>>31291050
This.

>>31290840
The penetrators are the best shit around. When you can mix 9mm capacity and velocity with 45 acp HP wound channels, you know you've got a winner.

>>31291113
So you never had any kind of reliability issues with the five seven? I'm genuinely intrigued by the idea of such a small fast bullet, but I don't want to buy a meme gun for a meme catridge that doesnt work. I always saw it as a range toy.

>>31291213
>>31291167
That good eh? I might have to pick up a box. My edc is 9mm and I've had federal hst in it forever now.

>>31291217
See, that,s the problem, the 5.7 cartridge is in no othe gun besides FN's two weapons and an awkward conversion kit upper for tge AR-15.

We need more guns with normal stick/box magazines instead of that silly top feeding mag.

Imagine a mini-14, AK or AR 15 that can either be shrunk down to save on weight or be normsl sized and have huge capacity?

How many 5.7 do you think can fit in a 1911?

>>31291217
The fiveseven doesn't skimp on design. They did a good job with the newer generations.

Out of all my FN stuff nothing has had any problems other than my FNP getting jammed on some shotty off brand nines.

>>31291254
That magazine is decent. Its slow to load but it's reliable. Its like the calico but less retarded and a hell of a lot less bulky. Also because of the transparency and convenient location it lets you get a good readout on your ammo situation.

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>>31290777
>I don't know about the conventional wisdom here concerning RIP ammo
>it is a joke
>keep my federal hst
sounds like you do know the conventional wisdom.

maybe you didn't know about the shills though.
shortly after it came out we'd have five or six threads about it at once. every time one would get reported and purged two more would spring up in its place.

>>31291363
Nice, but it's still to exotic and too much of a jump for some people.

Basically we need a ruger 10/22 in 5.7 to make it popular and then maybe glock release a 5.7 gen 5 glock.

Then 5.7 will stay.


So far .300blk is the only meme soecial snowflake cartridge to almost become mainstream and it's basically an American strait wall and necked down version of russian 7.62x39


A month ago people on 4chan were prospecting what would happen if 25acp came back into vogue and then we'd essentially have reloadable 22lr for plinking.

>>31291369
God's honest truth, this is my first time posting or lurking /k/. I just saw a few reviews on youtube where the reviewers hit ballistics gel and marveled at the damage The problem was, the trokars never penetrated more than a few inches in bare gelatin. Having shot living things myself (just animals, I'm not a murderer), I doubt the effectiveness of the round. The unanimous praise by otherwise legit youtube gun channels makes me very skeptical. Sounds like they dumped a lot of r&d money into that round and went all out trying to market it.

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>>31290689
357 sig costs as much at 45 acp if you shop around online

>>31291466
I actually havent bought 45 in a while so I'll have to check that out. Lol at your pic. That video is magical.

>>31291046
If I lived in a shithole third world or european country I would choose 9mm because that's the only choice. 40 is superior ballistically and a better choice for those of us who can actually shoot.

380 is decent, 9mm and 45 are good, 40 and 357 are great, 10mm is best.

>>31291183
less powder= more money saved

>>31291183
There's actually a decent amount of airspace in even a hot .45 acp case, you're frankly pussy for not filling it up and making a .45 Auto magnum

>>31291397
anything you can easily run through an AR will loses meme status fairly quickly as demand increases production of the round and drops the cost per round out of memeland as proved by 300 memeout and 6.5 grendel

>>31291851
Isn't 6.5 still in memeland? Also there are tons of cartridges that are still rather expensive and boutique despite being made for ARs.

>>31291897
http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/wolf-military-classic-65-grendel-100gr-fmj.html

YFW .27 CPR for wolf. Twice as much bullet for just barely more than 5.56

>>31291914
Huh, had no idea Wolf moved to 6.5 and apparently has for a while.

>>31291940
https://www.legionusa.com/vepr-6.5x39mm-grendel-rifle.html

>>31290689
Great cartridge from a ballistics stand point, but a total fucking waste of time and resources developing it. The .38super is the same bullet traveling at the same speeds, no need to invent something that already existed.

>>31291254
Would love to see a Glock 20/29 conversion kit for 5.7 that takes 20rd mags

>>31291940
It started with x39 brass so they had the capability.

>>31291213
How's the wounding of the 9mm Luger loads of these? I know they give .380ACP a big boost and make them a perfectly acceptable pocket caliber, but how much more does it perform?

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>>31290689

>>31291431
>not being a murderer being a bad thing
Git aot

>>31293178
good thing, fuck
I've gotta stop drinking and posting

>>31290728
As a dealer I up sell the shit out of these. Are they a meme? Yup, but people love them.

>>31291183
>If a gun chambered in 45 acp is too big for your hands then you shouldnt be shooting guns Leave it to men.

Yeah, but that was LITERALLY the idea. Police departments were starting to hire women, so some genius went "why don't we design a .45 that can fit in a frame the size of a Glock 17 instead of the huge fat 21" and they did it. The 37 held ten fucking rounds and basically nobody except the NYPD (?) bought the damn thing.

Because women cops.

>>31291155
Fucking Phillips screw bit bullet. I can fix my house up with the leftover bullets

>>31290729
>.40S&W:when you want to believe in all handgun rounds memes

>>31290689
Does cartridge derive from words meaning paper? That's pretty gay.

>>31291477
What's the video called?

>>31294271
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Ex2rVOUWs

Liberals shoot guns for the first time.

You can just tell they love it

>>31294398
>that grunt she lefts out just after firing
Yes you can tell! I only fired the FAMAS, furthermore in a military environment and it isn't quite like it. It wasn't about enjoyment, but about performance. Plus I don't understand how an American can in his whole life never fire a gun, your laws are so lax about it it's almost a requirement; how do they expect to defend themselves?

>>31290729
Eh the 135-165s are p.good. it's just not dirt cheap, surplus Slav shit or snowflake enough

>>31291046
>all the drawbacks of reduced ammo capacity without the perks of increased lethality.

That in itself is a shit argument considering two huge arguments for other cartridges are that non-magnum cartridges are on par for lethality and most shootings are less than 5 rounds.

The real question is why do you give a shit? Why own more than one gun or more than one caliber? It's a rabbit hole of stupid that doesn't effect you at all as long as you don't get emotionally invest in other people's purchases. The more people that shoot .40, the more 9mm to go around.

Personally .40 is fun to shoot, the guns are cheap, the ammo is plentiful and it's a better innawoods round IMO. I still have .22, .380, .9mm and I'm looking to buy a .45 and 10mm. No point in treating other people's purchases like some choose only one scenario

>>31294682
Well, that video is in commiefornia which doesn't have the best gun laws around. It really varies depending on where you are. I live in a semi rural area and everyone I know has at least shot on a few occasions, but when I went to the city for school no one had. People thought you had to register your guns or have some type of permit lol

>>31291749
huh? 357 mag loads are about 30% more powerful than 10mm. I get a 164gr bullet going 1550fps from my revolver.

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>>31291819
That would be .45 Super and .460 Rowland.

.45 Super uses a thickened case to allow higher load pressures. 45 Super offers power in the .357 Magnum range.

.460 Rowland uses a case with lengthend brass but the same overall cartridge length as .45acp. .460 Rowland is roughly equal to lighter .44 Magnum loadings.

While .45 Super will chamber and fire in .45 acp pistols, it is not recommended

The company that invented .460 Rowland offers conversion kits for both 1911s and Glocks chambered in .45acp.

>>31294918
The regulations are so weird. Especially the open-carry laws like in Tennessee. But I like it, it's a good thing in a country like yours. In urban areas I get they're not used to it, but still the firearms are a cultural aspect of yours you can't overlook. I would have fun if I were American, and I would hunt a great deal. Venison is the best.

>>31294398
Yeah, the black haired girl at the end will be a full on /k/ommando in a year or so after this. She's already hooked.

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>>31294984
A lot of 10mm fans find performance data on 10mm Magnum and think it's for 10mm. This is where the "10mm out preforms .41 Magnum" aurguments come from.

.10mm Magnum was a stretched 10mm offered in the AutoMag VI.

>>31295130
I live in North Alabama. Hunting is good here. White tail deer, Turkey as well as feral pigs are everywhere.

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>>31295199
>.10mm Magnum

>>31295216
My God... You know in France it's such a clusterfuck to actually be able to hunt that it's become impossible to even dream of hunting for food, let alone find game. I envy you.

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>>31290689
My vote for a Meme caliber is .440 CorBon. Take the .50AE, basically a meme caliber in it's own right, being primarially used only in the fuckhuge Desert Eagle, neck it down to .429 and use standard .44 Magnum bullets for what is essentially an oversized .357 SIG and make it hard to find in an already low production platform.

So, what exactly is the issue with RIP rounds? My firearm knowledge is basically limited to hunting squirrels and turkeys with a .22 rifle and 12 gauge, respectively, so I'm no authority on what's good and what's not. RIP ammo seems hella tho.
>>31295224
...what am I missing here?

>>31294398
Damn that instructor sucks. The chick breaks blue with the shotgun and he barely even reaches out with a finger to push it away. When you are taking someone to the range for the first time you need to be on full alert and nearby enough that you can slap the fucking barrel back down range before they even come close to breaking blue

>>31292736
They'll punch clean through a man and leave a corkscrew shaped wound that looks like it came from a round twice the size. +P gets even more ridiculous.

>>31295258
You name is extremely fitting.

>>31295236
Pretty simple here. you need a licence, but you don't even have to go to a government office for that. Most sporting goods stores can issue them. Most land is privately owned in this part of the country, so you have to get permission from the land owners. Deer hunting is mostly static here, usually in a tree stand or a ground blind. White tails here are incredibly skittish because they are used to being hunted. I know a few guys who are much better woodsmen than i am who ground stalk deer, but they are the exception.

Turkey are very challenging. A wild Turkey is nothing like a domestic turkey. Very smart, with excellent vision. Static ground hunting in blinds with decoys and calls is pretty much how it's done.

Feral pigs are considered a nuisance animal and may be hunted year round and normal restrictions on firearms (caliber, magazine capacity) do not apply. You can hunt pigs any time of the year with an AR-15 loaded with a 30 round mag if you want. You won't use all thirty anyway because the bastards are FAST. Feral; pigs can move. I finally settled on a semiauto 12 gauge shotgun with with an extended mag tube loaded with 00 Buck as the best all around hog hunting gun. A buddy of mine prefers an AR-10 with a 20 round magazine.

There's also duck hunting in lowland marsh areas and dove season is open here now. Deer season starts in November. There are separate Rifle, muzzle loader and bow seasons, so dedicated hunters will often have a conventional rifle, muzzle loading rifle and a bow to take advantage of all the hunting seasons. i took my M1 Garand out last year, just because. I'm thinking about getting a black powder rifle for muzzle loading season.

>>31295258
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGFPRpWZ3w

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Obsolete as fuck.

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>>31295258
I accidentally stuck a decimal in front of 10mm Magnum. I goofed.

>>31294398
Allison is cute! CUTE!!

>>31295325
That's why I use it.
Getting a SIG P938 soon for self defense, but aside from that I only have limited hunting experience and zip else. Practically noguns and a half.

>>31295242
.440 corbon failed because they couldn't keep the headspacing right.

240gr going 1800fps isnt a meme load.

>>31291048
>More expensive than .45
>No more powerful than a hot 9mm and with less capacity
>Doesn't do anything a 10mm can't

ftfy

>>31291397
A bolt gun (aside from the M25) and a 10/22 style rifle would do a world of wonders for the 5.7.even better would be a goddamn FNX/FNP but nooo. We already know 5.7 can work in a M1carbine due to the spitfire and 7.62x25 conversions so a 5lb folding stock 5.7carbine would do well. The MPAs are meh and the x series was shit so something is needed

Ass far as .300blk goes I think it's pretty well cemented. Plenty of factory support and enough big box carries stock it and more people are going nfa than ever. 6.8spc will likely survive but it'll be like .243win

>>31291431
Yeah people always get excited about the core penetrating, but at that point you may as well just buy ball, swc or the various lite for caliber loads.

>>31291940
Alexander wanted to secure that almost from the start. There was just a lot of shit to get right first. I think prvi may be on board as well. There are a handful of true to spec 6.5 AR manufacturers and molot has 1-2 vepr models in 6.5 and at least one factory bolt gun is made

>>31292039
.38super is also longer, tapered and semi rimmed. It's one of my all time favorite cartridges but it had some less than desirable traits. Thus the 38 super come and 38TJ.

Now a truly better cartridge was the 356TSW

>>31294984
You know that they're basically analogues to each before hitting Max loads right? As supported by load data and people that shoot both A LOT

>>31291046
.40 hits harder than 9mm, and penetrates hard barriers better. In gel it doesn't make a difference, but unfortunately for 9mm fans, we aren't getting attacked by Gel blocks anytime soon.

In all guns you get 2 less bullets with .40 than you do with 9mm. If you need rounds 16 and 17 then you probably need a couple reloads on you anyway. More importantly you should have just made the first 3 shots count more, and with .40 I have more faith in those first 3.

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Oh, I got some OC for ya
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s_97ukmgXE

Idk if sticking random shit in a shell counts, but it's fucking retarded.

>>31297041

>In all guns you get 2 less bullets with .40 than you do with 9mm.

Honestly 2 rounds is the aveage. I've seen as low a 1 and as high as 4, but never more than 4.

> If you need rounds 16 and 17 then you probably need a couple reloads on you anyway. More importantly you should have just made the first 3 shots count more, and with .40 I have more faith in those first 3.

eh

>>31291116
If it was legit the same as .45 in pressure and speed, it would actually be revolutionary. The problem is its just light loaded .45 going slower than light loaded .45.

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> not loading 40 strong&worthwhile and 300 blackender

So as some kinda cuckquean that's never held a gun but weird curiosities, whats the cartridge for a pistol that has the most kinetic energy.
I'm sorry if that doesn't even make sense

>>31295374
If only Fudds used the internet.

>>31297076
The thing that really annoys me is that we are talking about pistols. You either need 1 mag or more than 3, and in the latter you should really have a rifle or shotgun.

>>31297157
>whats the cartridge for a pistol that has the most kinetic energy.

Factory? .500 S&W IIRC.

>>31291217
5.7 is literally the best combat round avalible from a handgun. There's a reason the secret service uses it. More capacity than 9mm, with more muzzle energy, better penetration. /k/ is poor you gotta remember that.

>>31297197
>The thing that really annoys me is that we are talking about pistols. You either need 1 mag or more than 3, and in the latter you should really have a rifle or shotgun.

Yeah, but a handgun is easier to carry. The real sad truth is that statistically, you won't even fire any rounds. Displaying a firearm is usually enough for anyone wanting to cause harm to you. In the rare case it's not(Which si already a rare case as is), having over 10 rounds on your person is usually sufficient.

This is for non-military, non-police, though.

I know it's a meme but I really want the 10mm glock

>>31297209
What about custom?

>>31297240
Same. I wish they made a compact one. I have small-ish hands, so the full-size ones feel just a little bulky, but the subcompacts are uncomfortable, tiny, and hold like 2 rounds.

Does anyone make a 10mm conversion for the G23?

>>31295374
what is it?

>>31297041
It's also ever so slightly snappier.

>>31297253
Who knows. Some stupid wildcat cartridge someone made.

>>31297253
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/02/10/50-bmg-single-shot-handgun/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfeifer_Zeliska_.600_Nitro_Express_revolver
The .50 BMG likely has more energy though.

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>>31297253
600 nitro express. the pfeifer zeliska, largest custom handgun ever made. you can still ask the creator to make one for you.

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>>31297068
That's almost as retarded as pic related

>>31297378
That handle doesn't look great for that kinda power

>>31294247
They were originally made from paper.

>>31297678
Luckily it has a super high bore axis and weighs a ton. The high bore axis means a lot of the recoil is translated to torque about the grip, the heavy weight counteracts that because gravity is the force in the opposite direction. It's probably borderline painful but not dangerous

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I know jack shit about practical ammo use as I went to shooting range twice, so have a picture instead.

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>>31295374
Killed a Deer with it last season, with Lever Evolution ammo. 1 shot instant kill

>>31294909
Just 40fag things

>>31297224
9mm AP and 18-22rd guns for it have been around for a long time friendo. I like the 5.7, but the pistol was an afterthought

>>31297274
You mean a G29 which is about the same size as the G19 but in all the wrong ways?

>>31298103
>just failures in comprehension

>>31295224

>.9mm... LETS MAKE IT HAPPEN GUISE

> be innawoods
> gettin annoyed by peaky mosquitos and flies
>pull out my bic .9mm pin laucher
>hit some mosquitos, they are dropping all around me
>draw a bead on a fly
>fire
>fly keeps coming at me
>lol only .9mm
>holster, draw my .45mm from the other breast pocket
>BOOM
>fly drops
>.45mm stronk

(Yes i know that .9mm is bigger than .45mm, fuck off outta my memes)

>>31295342
Sorry to respond this late ! Man this sounds awesome. I figure this is kind of traditional right?

>>31290728
Wtf are RIP rounds?

>>31291116
>hey guys, let's take a .45 and make it as weak as 9mm

Glock perfection

>>31291046
If you are gonna go with this argument then you might as well shoot .22lr since its just as lethal as 9mm

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>40 s&w
>meme caliber
>pick one
https://www.underwoodammo.com/40-s-w-135-grain-jacketed-hollow-point/

>>31299077
22rd 9mm mags are the same size as 30 rd 5.7, nice try though. Also it's not just the AP factor, it's superior teminal ballistics.

>>31290729
However the good thing is, is that during ammo buy ups there is always tons of .40 still on the shelf.

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>>31291050
Why: the caliber

There is literally no reason to use anything besides a 9x19mm parabellum
literally nothing does what a 9 does and if it does it has more or less bullets, but the 9 gets a lot of bullets. why would you use anything but a 9?

>>31300177
Ah yeah the +10 extension noboy would ever issue and nobody used for ages because they sucked ass. And what superior terminal ballistics are we talking about here, the ones that actual users chose to mag dump into humans in a gum with more barrel or the extra rare shit like elite ammo.

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>>31299864

Is that supposed to prove anything other than the fact that it performs about the same as all pistol service calibers? Because that's all it does. It is a meme because of energy dump fags.

>>31299864
what the fuck is that picture

>>31290689
This may be a stupid question, but can someone explain to me in a rational No-Caps way why .40 S&W is a meme round? People tell me that it is, but I honestly have no idea why.

>>31300230
That actually looks rad as fuck.

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>>31300434

Service calibers all perform about the same with good defense ammo. There is literally no reason to use it. It also killed an actual useful caliber, the 10mm.

>>31300321
Reform your post to English and I'll answer your question.

>>31300433
it's what happens when you think about allison too much and never interact with her

>>31300520
So does a .40 S&W pack enough punch ballistically to justify picking it over the higher magazine capacity of the 9mm? See, I always thought of the progression of foot pounds increased lineally between 9mm, to .40, to .45, is that not the case?

>>31300681
of course not, it's a 9mm bro why would you want more effective bullets if you have bullets already you can probably fit like 2 more in there and just shoot a lot of bullets. you never know how many bullets it'll take so if it might be effective why try to improve on that you might lose a bullet or two 9x19mm is the best mm you probably dont want to get raped it could happen but 9mm has some extra bullets so you might not get raped
please no rape
rape is bad

>>31291254

There are actually a couple guns available in 5.7x28 other than the P90 and Five-SeveN, although not many. I know Masterpiece Arms makes a gun in 5.7x28

>>31300433
TL;DR guy let a cumrag sit for too long and it sprouted fungi.
So in a way he had children.

>>31300230
bolter/10

>>31298057
And people have taken deer cleanly with .223. Your point is?

>>31290729
i love 40, its better than 45 AND 9

>>31291046
40 is almost on par with 357 in ballistics, why would you pick 9mm unless you couldnt shoot 40 well?

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>>31301617
>.40 is alllmost

That's cute

>>31295426
>who da foo now
fix'd that text for you

>>31297085

This image makes me physically ill

>>31301646
out of a 4" barrel 150gr corbon .40s&w will do ~1238 fps

out of a 4" barrel 158gr fed jhp .357mag will do ~1246 fps

>>31301646
>thats cute
10mm is a lot larger, a 40s&w conceals much more easily because the gun's frame size is identical to a 9mm. maybe youre an internet badass who carries a glock 20 concealed everywhere he goes?

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>>31301617
>357 magnum 5" 880ft/lbs muzzle energy
>40S&W 5" 476ft/lb muzzle energy(corbon 165gr via BBTI)

Almost on par... yeah OK man...

>>31301776
pick the comparable bullet weight for the 357 and try again

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>>31301829
I did.

>>31291046
>without the perks of increased lethality.
It can literally push a larger bullet, faster and to a bigger expansion.

>>31300681
I think it would make sense to look at ammo from the context of actual guns, rather than cartridges in the abstract.

If you were considering a glock 19 and 23, you'd be looking at 15+1 9mm vs 13+1 40S&W. Then you add either a glock 17 (+17) or glock 22 (+15) mag in your pocket or holster (total of 33 v 29). Your 40S&W bullets can probably achieve about 7%+ larger expanded diameter without losing any penetration. Then it's up to you to determine things like your ability to make follow-up-shots potentially more quickly.

Just for fun, toss in the glock 30. You're looking at 10+1 (and 13 round mag in pocket or holster for 24 total) with potentially a 32%+ increase in expanded diameter over 9mm, or 24%+ over 40S&W.

>>31290840
could NATO technically adopt rounds like this? i'd think they'd have hopped on this concept like flies on dogshit

the 10mm Xtreme penetrators are rediculous, i only wish i had a .357 to see what those can do to modern kevlar

>>31291113

>Jargon, the post

This is why nobody comes to /k/, anon.

>>31302928

It's more like word salad

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>>31300434

It's really a bad running joke about .40 being worse than 9mm and .45.

It's basically an updated 9mm that takes advantage of increased metallurgy that didn't exist back when 9mm was originally created in like the 1910s.

Common complaint is "snappy". But to be expected with a more powerful round than either 9mm or .45.

.40 really gets shit on by both sides.
9mm and .45 fags complain about its increased recoil.
-9mm fans also add complaint about losing 2 rds.

10mm fags complain about it being a "weaker" 10mm meant for women (so what does that make 9mm and .45?)

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>>31301762
I carry either a G20SF or G19 depending on what I'm doing. Uniformed or plainclothes.

.40 is a shitty round that only exists because the FBI wanted to blame equipment instead of shitty tactical decisions by their agents in 86.

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>>31290958
DELET THIS

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Did someone say meme cartridges?

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Guys...the penetrator ammo got me thinking...what if they made ammo with different tool bits for EDC nerds. You could just drop your CC mag and hunt out the correct allen head next time you need one. Otherwise you magwell is basically wasted space.

>>31300434
The Feds got into a 8v2 shootout in 1986 that ended up with 5 agents wounded and 2 dead agents because they were outgunned. As a result the FBI switched to semi auto handguns and wanted a reduced load 10mm, which S&W then realized they could shorten and fit into the frames of their 9mm handguns, creating .40 S&W. Since then metallurgy has advanced (better bullets can be produced) and the .40 round causes more wear than 9mm, so things have to be replaced more often. As a result LEOs all switched to .40 and are now switching back to 9mm.

>>31290840
>double as tactical Philips head screwdrivers

>>31297330
30/30 maybe?

>>31291749
no 9mm in italy as its a MILITARY MURDER ROUND

>>31291749
I live in a shithole 3rd world country and we can't even choose.
Just so you have an idea we have .22LRs advertised for home defence.
Oh, also the only carry licenses are issued to military or law enforcement personnel.

>>31303507
So in a year when 9mm was available they decided not to use 9mm?
That part of the story kind of makes me wonder.

>10mm is just a lower pressure .40
>weaker
Wat

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>>31303334
Then everyone would know you own a fully automatic assault rifle.

>>31306152
9mmx21

>>31300520
There's also no reason NOT to use it, according to that logic and 10mm is doing better now that ever

>>31290689
.30-30 Winchester

>>31309398
>Doing better than ever
[Sauce]

>>31290689
>tfw next handgun will be Glock 31

Feels meme, man.

5.56x45

>>31302571
Thats actually a really good question. Any military/lawfags know about this? Are just hollowpoints verboten under geneva conventions or is it any unconventional/non fmj round?

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>>31291050

I can't even look a person in the eye if they own a .45 GAP.

I consider them subhuman.

>>31309826
Look at the market.
They new guns coming out or recently released, the factory and boutique ammo, the amount of people that reload it the fact that every time shot show comes around or a new pistol is released or a company asks what people Want the scream 10mm.

>>31311102
It's the Hague convention. It forbids the use of ammo that causes unnecessary suffering but that only applies to countries that signed it against other countries that signed it. The US didn't sign and most of NATO hasn't been fighting anytbut sand people for a decade.

>>31312514
>Unnecessary suffering

Did they ban bad shot placement too?

>>31295114
The only way that Rowland can work is they are using some magical brass or heat treatment that no one else knows about or the pressures are dangerous.

>>31312071
Kek, implying you're taking advantage of all the case space anyway. Faggot with a big case thinks he fires hot rounds.

Have a few rounds of 35 Whelen. WTF is this shit used for?

>>31312973

large game.

medium calibre long action, but doesn't require a magnum action or bolt.

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>>31312949
Found the subhuman.

>>31313039
Thx, Inherited a rifle in it and didn't know the applications for it.

>>31313056
If you want big bore high speed get a 10mm, .45 GAP was frankly where .45 would have gone if they started with modern powders.

Anyone who has a .45 ACP or GAP are buying a stupid antiquated meme.

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>>31290689
>.357 sig
>not a cuck round

pick one

>>31295199
I think that a double stack 10mm Magnum would make the grip ridiculous. I can't justify having a single stack for self-defense. Unfortunate.

>>31313056
>DANGER CONTAINMENT BREACHED

>>31290689
>.357 sig
>8mm Nambu sucked, so lets remake it

some peoples children, i swear

>>31295374
>light recoil
>Fast handling lever guns
>plenty of power for deer
>Cheap factory ammo
Let me guess, you're a mall ninja who has never hunted large game in his life and you think the Ar-15 is the greatest hunting platform ever made.

>>31290958
its actually a good meme desu
fragments in the body so no over penn.