Why did America lose the vietnam war so badly? This was most

>>31203488
We didn't perform shock and awe. The war was dragged out to holding the line and getting bombed to shit.

>>31203488
>Why did America lose the vietnam war so badly
>badly
America wasn't defeated militarily, so you can't say they lost badly, they withdrew.

You could say they won the war but lost the peace, much like in Iraq and Afghanistan.

>>31203512
FPBP, gradual escalation was a bad idea

Mission creep + zero exit strategy

>>31203488
We never lost the war, we went in a stalemate with a Peace Treaty. The north remained north and the south remained south until we withdrew when the war was over. Once we withdrew the north came and invaded.

>>31203488
America didn't lose on the battlefield, but was also unable to enforce it's political demands militarily without escalating the war. Then Tet happened and destroyed the already shaky public perception of the war. By 1970 Nixon was under a lot of pressure to leave, so he tried to get the ARVN up to speed so they might at least hold the line. But the ARVN relied heavily on US logistical support and was fucked over by their poor leadership, the oil embargo, and the lack of political will to provide continued support after 1972.

https://youtu.be/ju2-8uUvRNs

>>31203488
Fucking read a book OP. God damn, how can you be so stupid?

>>31203607
>oil embargos
Who were the pinkos and commies enforcing it?

>>31203488
>Why did America lose the vietnam war so badly?
We didn't, we won our 'war'. South Korea is the one that lost their second war, despite our aid.

But the answer is because we were unwilling to use the rules of warfare to our benefit and go through the people that the vietkong used as human shields.
(rules say that the death/harm of innocents is the fault of the party using them as a shield)

>>31203488
The real enemy was inside America all along.

>>31203488
>America exerting its foreign policy through military means
Never really works, just look at the Middle East.

Americans are superlative shop keepers, but not natural soldiers.

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>>31203488
We only "lost" because congress pussed out. South Vietnam might be a thriving free society if it weren't for Hippies ruining everything.

>The US and South Vietnamiese were winning decisively
>Strategic bombing of North Vietnamese industrial centers starts
>US says they'll continue the bombing if the VC and NV don't sign a peace treaty
>Paris Peace Talks signed by the United States, South Vietnam, North Vietnam, and the Viet Cong
>The US's end of the treaty was to provide military assistance to the South in case the North violated the Treaty and invaded again
>US pulls most of its forces out of 'Nam
>Congress taken over by anti-war representatives
>North violates the Treaty and invades the South, knowing that without US support it'll be easy
>President Ford pleads with Congress to authorize military assistance to the South and uphold our end of the bargain
>Congress refuses
>South is conquered

>>31203637
The Arabs brah.

They were mad as fuck about losing the Yom Kippur War.

In fact, they fucked the entire 70s up with that.

>>31203488
America won the military encounters but failed to win hearts and minds, and correctly audit what the south was spending their aid on.

Unlike the almost identical Malaysian emergency conflict.

If you don't know about it /k/omandos you should look it up. it has:

RHODESIAN SAS, BRITAIN, ANZACS, BUTCHERED SLRS, no "IT AIN'T ME" and the best it is LOTTSA DEAD COMMIES LADS

>>31203488
>Why did America lose the vietnam war so badly?
They didn't protect democracy. In early years of Cold War, commies had democratic majority in many countries. Man, North Korea used to be more democratic than South.

>>31204480
This. It's a shame this part isn't taught in many schools.

>>31203488
It was simply a matter of the US no longer wishing to fight

They had destroyed the communist forces every step of the way but after 2 years of peace they didn't want to go to war again to enforce the peace treaty

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>>31203488
russians gave vietnam migs
>Ak47>m16a1, m16a2, m16b1, m16b2, m16c1, m16c2
flawed strategy
>no domestic support for war
fucking jungle and urban warfare
>vietnamese long history of resistance, never got conquored by china or the mongols
terrible 1960's technology like people sniffer

>>31204480

> Remove Thieu, Diem, replace with someone competent and less offensive to the native South Vietnamese.
> Start subsidized social programs to make communism less alluring to the native South Vietnamese. Big bags of food with "USAID" stamped on it.
> Mine Haiphong harbor permanently, like, mines fucking everywhere. Find the roads leading from China, mine the road just south of the Chinese border.
> Bomb the dikes on purpose, flood all the rice paddies and villages. Leave air deployed mines over the dikes to kill repair workers.

>>31205008
>nigga what the shit am I even doing

>>31204209
t. Hermann Goering