Mossberg Unveils ‘Compact Cruisers,’ NFA-Required Shorties

>>31197236
They only charge that much because their only competitor (Serbu) charges $1050 for the same thing. They can still Jew you hard with no lube while at the same time being the cheaper OEM option.

So yeah, one part capitalism and one part "fuck you". There is no reason these should cost more than ~$100 over a standard model, and even that's generous.

>>31197297
This guy gets it

>>31197297
>(Serbu) charges $1050 for the same thing
Doesn't make it right though. I'll take price fixing for $910, Alex.

>>31197333
It's not price fixing, it's simple economics. Serbu was the only option for a long, long time and they sold plenty charging $1050 because people were willing to pay that much. Now that Mossberg is making the same thing, why would they charge 1/3 of that? The market can support $910 MSRP, so that's what they go with. Mossberg and Serbu aren't meeting together behind closed doors to jack the price of this niche item up.

I have fired a serbu and I don't think I would bother owning one even if it wasn't nfa and priced 4x it's value. It's just a goofy gun

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>>31197236
>$5 cückstamp
I must resist....

>>31197236
>That's fucking bullshit
How is it bullshit? It's their product, and Mark Serbu has been doing the same thing for years and no one calls him out.

>>31197414
>no one calls him out.
They make like, what, 5 different firearms? I've never even seen one in person. If a botique manufacturer wants to make a special snowflake and sell it for a stupid price so be it. Mossberg can't possibly be put out by selling these at a reasonable price. I'd think $100 over the price of a cruiser is reasonable. I'm sure they took new tooling, lines, what have you so I'll give them a little. But over twice the price? Highway robbery is what that is.

>>31197411
Well yeah, they're novelties except for limited use as breaching tools. I don't know about Mossberg, but Serbu's never advertised them as anything but.

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>>31197297
>1050
oh wow. i paid 700 (thats still too much)

>>31197411
>It's just a goofy gun
yup. its just a range toy and i wouldnt bother having one if it was a single item or i didnt already have a trust. but sometimes you make impulse buys. either way it has never failed to put a smile on some ones face after they shoot it for the first time.

>>31197538
>oh wow. i paid 700 (thats still too much)

$1050 is MSRP, so not representative of what actual street price is. Just like Mossberg's $910 is just the MSRP.

>>31197564
fair enough but that price is still going to be closer to the msrp then to 700 outside of possible one off private sales.

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>>31197236
>ATI accessories
>pistol grip/top safety combo

>>31197236
RECOIL REDUCING MATERIAL
--->
--->
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no thanks mossberg
i'll stick with my 5+1 cruiser aow

Congratulations on somehow making a worse design than serbu

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>>31197236
Get a reverse picatinny mount and throw it under an AR15. Fucking sorted.

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Thanks mossberg we have a 20" forend, 14" long forend, 14" short forend, and now additional 7.5" and 10.25" forends to keep track of.

Meanwhile the remington 870 still has one size.

>>31197236
If it's over 26" horizontally, it's non-restricted in Canada. This will add good variety to our short barrelled shotgun options which are currently limited to: Chinese knockoffs of the Remington 870 and Ithica 37, Turkish SxS break actions, and pricey but gorgeous Italian stuff from Benelli.

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Charging more for less? Are they copying Ferrari now?
>the grip is made with Flubber and it has the thing that goes up
Well I'm sold. I'm sure the extra $400 is for R&D and marketing costs.

>>31197236
200 of that price tag is the 200 dollar AOW manufacturer tax stamp, so it's closer to a 700 dollar gun

>>31197834
AOW's stamps are $5 dude.

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>>31197834

>>31197714
Now that is what I call the only reasonable use for the damn thing.

>>31197822
Nope. Longest model is 19". You're stuck with the ching chong bing bong ding dong clones for now.

>>31197846
Only the transfer is 5 dollars dumbass, manufacture is still 200. And you'd be a double dumbass to think that mossberg isn't gonna just tack that price onto the msrp. You're basically paying 205 dollars for this tax stamp.

>>31197834
>200 of that price tag is the 200 dollar AOW manufacturer tax stamp

No. FFLs don't have to pay a $200 tax for each gun they make. That's waived as they've already paid for their SOT to manufacture NFA items.

>>31197236
>2+1 capacity

How cool would it be if somebody made an SBS that functioned reliably with those mini shells so you could fit like 4-5 rounds in the magazine?

>>31197888
>calls someone else a dumbass
>thinks FFLs pay thousands for their special occupation tax to manufacture NFA items and then pays another $200 on top of it for each item produced

I'll bet you think they also submit the same forms we do and have to wait 8 months before they can sell their guns

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>>31197834
>200 of that price tag is the 200 dollar AOW manufacturer tax stamp
What why would they do that

>>31197888
>what is an sot

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Why are all the AOW shorts always some ugly looking tacticool thing?

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>>31197236
>Factory AOW from a major manufacturer, marketed to the public

After ruger's entry to the silencer game i'm so fucking psyched for the next generation of gun sales

>>31198008
Parts
Kit
Nao

>>31198017
>After ruger's entry to the silencer game i'm so fucking psyched for the next generation of gun sales

Enjoy it while you can

>>31198008
The forends are the limiting ingredient.
There aren't any pretty super-short forends except custom jobs

>>31197906
>he thinks FFLs don't pay taxes on firearms

>>31198008
I want to fuck that shotgun

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factory semi auto aow when

>>31198008
Fuck me right in the ass, that thing is gorgeous

>>31197414
Man, fuck a super shorty, I really, really, really, really want one of those. You need a stamp for it, right?

>>31198114
if you buy a mossberg cruiser, switch to the long birdshead grip, you can shorten the barrel to 14" all with no stamp

it's illegal in most states unfortunately

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The 14" AOW is cuter.
Model #51683

>>31198133
Where do I get the birdshead and the 14"?

And why the fuck would most states illegalize that? It's a small-known loophole on the NFA, I can't imagine many legislated on it.

>>31198193
nearly all states have NFA-style laws but only a few of them use the exact nfa language which allows the loophole

Check shockwave technologies site for the grip ("raptor grip") and see if they're still selling 14" front kits, otherwise i heard a rumor mossberg is selling them over the phone once again

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>>31198165
>not marinecoat

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>there are people in this thread that don't own one of these

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>>31198114
1.Buy parts
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product/712012558/redirect
http://shockwavetechnologies.com/site/

2.Buy Pistol Grip Only Mossberg shotgun(new, not used)

3.???

4. Profit!

Don't forget to print this letter out for prosperity

>>31197464
Aside from all the nonstandard shit on it, manufacturing an AOW is still $200.the transfer is $5

>>31199077
>manufacturing an AOW is still $200
they're an sot

>>31197236
>(((MOSSBERG)))
>SWEDISH FLAG ON LOGO
>SWEDISH THREE CROWNS ON LOGO
I seriously hope you don't buy faggot nigger cuck """""""guns""""""""

>>31197864
We can throw a stock on it to get it out to 26". Though for the price, the Italian stuff is better.

>2+1 capacity
ahaha fucking why

>>31197826
part of the cost is the tax stamp. It's costs $200 to register but only $5 to transfer, they're adding that $200 to the price

>>31199574
>>31197894
oh that's neat, didn't know that. I suppose that would be necessary to manage any meaningful amount of stock of NFA items

>>31198008
That thing only has a 2+1 capacity, may as well use a double barrel at that point.

>>31201414
You'd get more barrel length out of a double barrel too. What's faster to shoot and reload, a SxS or a 2+1 pump?

>>31197236
All the better to price out the Nig Nogs who would otherwise undoubtedly use them to rob liquor stores. The tax stamp and extra assache associated helps, too.

>>31201414
>>31201515
I'd love a 20ga o/u that size

>>31201535
>consenting to price gouging to ensure criminals do not get at things
"Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither."

>>31201535
Niggers will just saw off a regular pump action and disregard the NFA. They don't give a fuck.

>>31201414
>>31201515
Literally even why do these shorties even exist?

At that size a box mag starts to make a whole lot more sense.

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>>31201535
Yeah, sure

>>31201535
yeah because criminals will follow the law, they totally won't take a hacksaw to a side by side

>>31197236
Of course the price is high.

It's probably an attempt at keeping it out of the hands of Terminal Psychotics, and thus preventing a PR nightmare.

Plus, it's clearly for paramilitary use. The only people who will buy this are professionals who need a not-shit breaching weapon, and rich guys with nothing better to do.

Doesn't help that you can just cut down a normal low-capacity Mossberg to 26" and throw the right grip on it, or just buy their Field-Security combo, or buy a KSG from Kel-Tec.

Yeah. It's a niche firearm. More of a lightweight tool than anything.

>>31198008
Because they're generally for Law Enforcement, Militia types, and Private Contractors.

>>31197236
Would it be possible to create a pump action bullpup shotgun where the grip and trigger is the same part as the pump? Some sort of simple ring should be attached at the back so it can be pumped. The pump-grip would need a way to lock pretty securely and stably, but I think that this monster could wiggle in an extra shell into the tube within the same OAL.

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>>31198008

>>31201953
This sounds a lot like a bullup

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>>31197236
So it's just a modern one of these.

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>>31202048
Wait, is that a left-handed super shorty, or am I just having a stroke?

>>31201627

Fits in a large holster or a sling, exactly the size needed to hold three rounds, allows to shoot a lock and two hinges.

And they're neat.

>>31202419
Its an ithaca stakeout, ejects out the bottom

>>31202419
Ithaca 37, dude.

>>31202419

it's more than likely a mirror image, wether the filmmaker was lazy, or it's a post process thing, for whatever reason.

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>>31197236

>>31201348
This has already been answered multiple times. Manufacturers registered to manufacture NFA items have to pay an SOT (Special Occupation Tax) that waives them from paying a $200 tax stamp every time they manufacture and NFA item. An SOT is only $500 per year and they can make as many controlled funs as they want. Mossberg charges $900+ because they can, not because they have to.

>>31201414
>may as well use a heavier, wider gun with 50% less capacity and two different points of impact

Fucking logic

>>31201535
>he thinks that even if these were $300 with no other associated bullshit the nigs would start using them instead of sticking with their cheaper, smaller, lighter SNS handguns

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>>31197236

>2+1 capacity in a pump action

How is this better than a sawed off double barrel in any conceivable way?

>>31203064
See >>31203034

50% more capacity, lighter, thinner, only have one POI

Not to mention that unless you like questionable turk or chinkshit, an SxS is going to be more expensive than a pump action.

>>31203064

It's literally 50% better.

>>31197464

The cost is likely much lower. If I'm a betting man, I say the markup is tremendous compared to the normal models to give NFA shops a reason to carry it at all and be willing to hold it for months while the prospective buyer waits for paperwork.

>>31203081
>>31203103

Alright, how is it better than a Mossberg 500 Persuader with a 5+1 capacity?

I don't get who this is for. I get the novelty appeal of a double barrel sawed off; but who wants a sawed off pump action?

>>31203081
>an SxS is going to be more expensive than a pump action.
At this size and for this close-range defensive purpose, there is no reason for it to be expensive or made to the kind of exacting specifications plus bling of those luxury SxS options.

Just slap a quad barrel shotgun together, four fucking unrifled tubes which should be the opposite of expensive, and you now got a compact shotgun that is 33% better than the pump action and can potentially reload much faster with the right technique / a 4-slot clip.

>>31203064
I bet you could get like 5 minishells in that nigga

>>31203147

smaller/handier. It's no doubt a very niche and specialized item, but if you can't see the utility, I won't try and sell you on it.

>>31203162

with four extra barrels you're approaching the weight of a full sized sxs, so pointless. Just admit that a short pump action has utility.

>>31203147
>who wants a sawed off pump action?
o/

Still cheaper than the super shorty, and it looks like they actually did work on these rather than just chopping a barrel unlike serbu (they don't even come with a bead sight, cheap fucks).

Also, is that MSRP or street price? Because there's going to be a big difference.

>>31197414
Nah, Serbu is a fucking hack and I call him out all the time.
But no one else ever does.

>>31203221
No

If I need something that small I'd prefer a pistol cal carbine instead. An SMG if MGs were never banned.

At least with four barrels the recoil will be reduced from the weight and you can potentially fire all four almost at once. Your shitty 2+1 pump action will just encourage you to short stroke at the worst possible moment.

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I'd rather sbs this desu

>>31203274

Ever fired SBSs? The recoil isn't all hollywood cracks it up to be. Shit, shooting a stockless AOW is reasonably comfortable if you know how to hold it.

>>31203291
Holy fuck, no. Maybe with low power birdshot.

>>31201616
>saw off a pump action
Can you even do that

>>31203277

Finally, one of these turds with a grip instead of some strange flat "Grip" area.

>>31198133
>it's illegal in most states unfortunately
No, it's not.
Perfectly legal, even in shit states like Illinois where SBSs are verboten.

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>>31203291
>shooting a stockless AOW is reasonably comfortable

>>31203298

Get stronger then. I shoot buck, slugs, bird, target, and all kinds of fun inbetweens out of mine.

>>31203319
Your airshit doesn't count, son.

>>31203314

Maybe I don't have bitch wrists

>>31203332
or guns

>>31203309
Illinois lifted the SBS ban on july 1st 2015

>>31203314

>He doesn't push-pull

>>31203377
Source? Because this says otherwise.

http://www.gunlaws101.com/state/law/illinois/nfa-weapon-restrictions

>All automatic weapons, silencers, and short barreled shotguns are banned.

>>31203300
Yes.
>what are smaller mag tubes
>what is "sawing down the barrel"

>>31198476
Your feel should be chopped off and sold as medicine in a traditional chinese apothecary

>>31203483
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/today-sawed-off-shotguns-became-legal-in-indiana/
lots of momentum so most resources are out of date

Would rather have a ksg patrol or ksg tactical.

T. Ksg owner

>>31203576
I saw an orange/yellow KSG at a gun show a couple years ago
I called it the KSCheese

>>31197297
>There is no reason these should cost more than ~$100 over a standard model, and even that's generous.

> less gun
> costs more

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Can we agree that the plastic factory pistol grip is the most aesthetic?

>>31203699
I wish it had a deeper tail, but otherwise it's breddy okay.If pachmayer's shallower angled pistol grip had clearance for the action bar release, it'd be perfect.

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>>31203253

If it was magazine fed, sure; but sticking with tube fed makes the capacity a joke.

>>31203147
>but who wants a sawed off pump action?
>sawed off

Maybe we can talk about it when you realize nothing's being sawed.

>>31203272
>I call him out all the time

Prove it. And talking shit on 4chan doesn't count as calling him out

....Why don't I just buy a used Saiga 12ga and chop it? Would that be heresy? Probably. But it would be $400-$500 cheaper and have a magazine.

>>31203874
Because it WILL NOT cycle unless you heavily modify the gas system.

>>31203519
>what is rethreading the magtube
>what is rewelding action bars/slide arms
>what is fabricating a new forend

>>31203865
What would you prefer? A peer reviewed research article? I bring up their shitty business practices whenever they come up.

>>31203917
No I would prefer you showing us anything that proves you've brought it to mark serbu's attention rather than anonymously bitching since you called it a call out

>>31203940
Nigger what? He's the one doing it. Are you daft?

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>>31203865
>>31203917
>>31203940
>>31203951
you fools

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>>31198476
So was it worth it?

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>>31203989
After reselling the parts you almost break even, so, for cool factor alone yes.

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>>31204035

>>31204083
That's the one I was looking for. Didn't have it on my phone.

>>31198165
>>31198323
I feel like 5+1 is unnecessary for a last-ditch concealable fun gun. I'd be fine with 3+1 and a lot shorter

>>31203951
Doing what? Clicking all the pictures of trees?

>>31204083
Gonna need a tutorial on fitting that forend

>>31204146
>not having a jewchan pass

>>31204157
You need to dremel out a new shelf inside the forend for the forend nut to shoulder on. You also need to cut down said nut to about a 1/4 to 3/8 inch in length to get it to fit behind the barrel lug. I'll take a pic when I get home of the setup.

That's neat, but I'll stick to my cut down 1897, holds more ammo and I made it myself.

>>31203529
>Indiana
>The same as Illinois
Are you willfully being retarded?

>>31204179
Sweet thanks, I'll be looking forward to it

>>31204373
try this one
https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/today-sawed-off-shotguns-became-legal-in-illinois/

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>>31204383
Lil dirty but gives you the gist.
1/3

>>31204373
>Sorry that page doesn't exist
You can keep trying, but SBSs are no go in Illinois.
We just recently (within the past couple years) got SBRs, but no suppressors or SBSs.
AOW and DD are gtg too.

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>>31204444

>>31201656
i cant stop looking at that fucking sawn-off. what in the fuck even is it?

>>31204498
10/22

>>31204436
>>31204444
>>31204456
Awesome thanks. I've been doing a little reading and I think I can use a 500 cruiser with the standoff barrel + the 14" kit to build one while saving the spare barrel for my 835.I'll lose the 3.5 chamber but it should take 10" off the gun.

Hopefully it works out, otherwise I'm looking at buying a 590 barrel or buying a new 835 barrel to cut, which is fucking expensive and will still leave me with an overbore

Also Witnessed

>>31197714
Kek it looks like he's winding an airshit mag

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>>31203747
>If it was magazine fed, sure; but sticking with magazine feed makes the capacity a joke

>>31204631
>calls it airshit
>knows how to run airshit mags
Anon i....

>>31197464

I've seen one.

>>31197538

And like this anon, the guy that bought it paid $700 because my LGS had it for over a year with no buyers.

>>31204649
> Vertically stacking the ammo is inferior to Horizontally stretching out the ammo, along its longest axis.

Wew

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>>31204676
No, he's saying its just funny how it LOOKS like he's with an airsoft mag. He knows it's a real gun.

>>31203529
>Indiana

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>>31198083
THIS

>>31197826
>Charging more for less?
Charging more for things that you expect to sell less units of is pretty normal.

You realise that every SKU you carry, every component you have to keep stock of, every production slot that you need to schedule has a cost right?

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>>31203699
sorry famiglia its nice but not this nice

>>31204811
Moron.

>>31205010
Whoa i thought that was remington oem pistol grip.

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>>31198040
>>31198008
the mcs short forend looks OK.

>>31205010
Is it time to kick ass and chew bubblegum?

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>>31204157
For mine I put the barrel in a table vice and crimped the heat shield closer to the barrel

>>31204436
>being this retarded

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>>31206409

>>31206409
Explain.

>>31203171
This

Mini shotgun
Mini shells

Its just logical

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>>31206317
Sadly no, because that's a Mossberg 500 Persuader not a Winchester 1300 Defender. The Winchester is what Douk had, but those aren't in production any more and are mad expensive on auction sites. It cost me 400 bucks to get a standard 20" Mossberg 500 PGO and stick Tacstar grips on it, which was money well spent, even if California is 100-200 bucks more expensive than actually free states. Still I like the Mossberg a big better anyway, the gateless loading system is neat and easy on the fingers.

>>31198083
Sweet merciful christ, when?