If a M224 mortar HE shell hit the top of a tank, would it destroy

>>31184870
no

>>31184870

No. Poorly.

Weapon A is designed to blow up armor, weapon B is designed to fuck up personnel. There's very little overlap.

>>31184870
A 60mm mortar round holds very little explosives and unlike the Javelin does not have a shaped charge. It wouldn't do anything against a tank. If you get lucky you could knock out some optics I guess.

>>31184870
A 60mm mortar will hold 0.4-0.8lbs of Comp B. A Javelin missile's warhead weighs ~19lbs.

>>31184870
It'd basically be like throwing a firecracker at someone. Might sting a little and could blind them if it hits just right, but it isn't gonna cause serious injury because it has no way to penetrate (either via projectile velocity or a shaped charge).

>>31185138
>>31184913
>>31184883
If that's true, why were molotovs effective in combating tanks?

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>>31185733
molotovs damage the engine

>>31185733

Because the fire can suffocate the engine by starving it of oxygen, so the engine dies, and then as the tank sits there burning it becomes very hot to be inside, yet opening the hatches to salvation will only result in you being on fire

>>31185733
Would you react differently if I
A) shot you in your bodyarmor
vs
B) set you on fire

Probably something like this
https://youtu.be/zsWHBFxr2fI

>>31187512
so...you're saying that a M224 Mortar could destroy a tank?

>>31184870
It could incapacitate the tank depending on how thick the top armor is. The top portion is also where the armor is the weakest.

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>>31185733
>>31185756

are there any APHE mortar rounds? I assume the Russians have something like that

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>>31189681
whoops meant

>>31185733
>why were molotovs effective in combating tanks
They aren't any more, you could drown a modern tank in napalm and the crew would still be fine.

kek by the same logic, you could detonate a nuke next to a tank and it still wouldn't do shit to said tank

>>31189803
how does it feel being a retard?

>>31189706
damn that actor is actually on fire. that's some good production value.

>>31189814
Shaddup. Where do you think you are?

>>31184870
No, the mortar would not destroy a tank. Older APC, maybe. I forget the rha penetration factor for the M224 60mm but its not much. About the same as a 40mm HEDP grenade iirc. The Javelin makes use of shaped charges to penetrate armor specifically. It also is most effective when used in top-attack mode to hit lighter armor, but it is still much better at penetration, by design.

>>31189695
not to my knowledge, but I am surprised that no one has created something like this.

>>31189695
>>31190287

Bofors STRIX. Very little point to have an anti-tank munition without any guidance.

>>31190374
pretty cool. is it actually effective and used, or is it some obscure equipment that no one cares about?

>>31189728

>Our engine is on fire
>Anything flammable in the engine required to actually function is now gone (Bye hoses!)
>Can't see through optics
>Ammo starts cooking off
>Fine

This is excluding what happens to meat when you wrap it in metal and set it on fire.

Enough fire will fuck any tank.
Enough fire will fuck anything.

>>31190738

oh boy

>Enough fire will fuck any tank.

yes as a lot, not a single molotov or even few

modern mbt are really resistant to fire on the outside

>>31184870
It can destroy IFVs such as BMPs or Bradleys if its a direct hit. MBTs probably not.

>>31190816
According to public sources, the Javelin has an RHA penetration capability of approx. 600mm. The best you get from a 60mm mortar round is about 140, but that is HE effect and not comparable. The standard RPG7 is about 260mm, and 40mm HEDP is around 70-80mm. At the very lightest a T90S turret has 350mm equivalent armor (560mm vs HEAT). By comparison, most AFVs have around 120mm armor or less.

>>31184870
>HE vs AP
>Do they do the same thing?
Don't accept the premise of this shit tard question.

>>31189706
souce?

Is the movie name just winter war?

My ancestors are finnish and I have some relatives who participated (and died) in it.

>>31190738
>>31189728
>https://youtu.be/MiWCpIJ5dBw?t=1100

>>31189681
>>31189706
wut movie anon??

>>31192021
Talvisota ??

>>31187785
>>31187512
All I can see is a kaboom and some dark shapes ??

It can incapacitate the crew due to overpressure, but I'm not sure about killing them.
A hard no on killing the tank.

>>31185733
In 1940

>>31190520

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strix_mortar_round

>Feasibility and project definition studies began in 1983, as a joint private venture between FFV Ordnance and Saab Missiles. The first fully guided flight took place in 1988. FFV expected to complete development this year, and to receive a Swedish Army production contract shortly thereafter. The company reports considerable foreign interest, in particular from the US Marine Corps. STRIX has been in service with the Swedish and Swiss Armies since 1994.

>The company reports considerable foreign interest, in particular from the US Marine Corps

Better but also incredibly silly question, what would direct fire from a 155mm howitzer do to a modern MBT?

>implying molotov cocktails can take out a tank

>>31192157

Artillery is effective vs armor. It would kill it, mobility kill, or at least really fuck up the crew.

>>31192157

There's enough "dakka" in a 155mm round to destroy the tank if it hits the roof.

Direct fire, I'm not so sure about it. Definitely takes out the tank and damages it, but they did use stacks of 155mm rounds as IEDs in Iraq and it didn't completely shred the tank though. Might kill the crew despite that.

>>31192207

There's always the question of kinetic energy though, IED has plenty of explosive power but if you hit a tank with a round that would otherwise travel 30 km, it is going to make a dent.

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>>31187785
>m224 mortar
>120mm
Do you have brain problems, anon?

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>>31192301
I bet he thinks the M224 is a 224mm mortar.

Also just learned that the largest mortar ever made was 914mm, Little David.

>>31192323
>"The 40-ton weapon featured a 22-foot long barrel that could launch a 3,400 lb. shell a distance of 9 km. "

>>31190374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTAB_(bomb)

>>31184870
A 60mm mortar probably couldn't.
81mm mortar... Eh... Maybe not the most modern tanks, but 1950s-60s, maybe.
120mm would probably achieve a kill.

>>31192821
Yes, and?
Develop your hypothesis, boris

>>31185733
They aren't.

>>31190738
Even lighting a bonfire under a tank it's gonna take ages for it to do literally anything other than giving it an effective night camo.
Not to mention it's one of those "who would win 1,000,000,000 lions vs the sun"

>>31184870
it could if you used WP instead of HE

>>31189681

That might be an unironically acurate depiction of how the winter war went through start to finnish.

>>31192944
>Very little point to have an anti-tank munition without any guidance.
Quantity

>>31189681
is the source literally called "winter war"?

>>31193063
IDK I saved them in a /tg/ thread a year back

>>31184870
Tops of tanks are weak areas. Tow missiles hit the top and explode.

https://youtu.be/04Q-ieBnPEo

Reactive armor may nullify a mortor but otherwise it would blow the hatches into the tank.

How many 11C's are in this thread?

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>>31192978
Fuck no. The only thing we use WP for is obscuring and maybe antipersonnel. The most a 60mm could do to a tank is harass it, maybe.

>>31192021
Talvisota ( 1989 ) if you want to watch it just google Talvisota ( 1989 ) stream and voila.

>>31193113
a toe missile isn't like a mortar but I agree

can anyone tell me roughly how much explosive content a 120mm mortar round holds.

google is failing me.

>>31194761
M934 has 6.59 lbs of composition B as its explosive filler.

>>31194969
thanks

60mm
Modern tank buttoned up : Not much, noise inside hull. If lucky optics or depending on type of tank commo or sensor.

Opened up tank ( IE round into a hatch and into hull ) Toast.

120 mm M934 6.59 lbs of Comp B
Some good links
http://64.78.11.86/uxofiles/mulvaney/techdatasheets/120MM-HE-M934.pdf

http://ciar.org/ttk/mbt/armor/armor-magazine/armor-mag.2001.nd/6cavmortars01.pdf

some good reading in those links

Former 11C here: not shit.

60mms won't even crater a road. They're strictly anti-personnel weapons, mostly for suppression and harassment if we're honest. Though airbursting 60mm will fuck your shit up if caught unprepared.

120mm OTOH is serious business and will demolish multi-story cinderblock buildings with a delay fuse. It's wound/kill radius is the equivalent of a 155 (50m kill/100m casualty) thanks to better angle of impact and more HE.

>>31195157
>>31195066
>>31193113
okay, I am interested in this thread now. If a 60mm were to hit a WW2 M4 Sherman, would it destroy the tank?

>>31195656
Probably not. If it was going to achieve a kill, it'd be on the engine deck, but I doubt it could.

depends on the model of the tank, on older/less advanced tanks or APC's it could do some damage to the engine deck.

>>31185733
They're not

>>31184870
except for staged events, I doubt that this has ever happened.

Has there ever been AP mortar rounds.

Say for instance for use against bunkers etc.

>>31199131
there's this >>31192821

>>31195157
This. Prox/NSB via M734 multi-option is used to destroy optics and external hardware when used in an FFE. Doctrine dictates the armour would bug when they start getting bracketed, and if they move in the direction of the mortar line or combat team, you'd better have heavy weapon attached to get your ass out of trouble.

>>31189862
So is my penis

>>31195157
is there a good place that I can look at kill/wound radii for various weapons systems? I want it for /tg/ related things and just general knowledge.

>>31200255
>I want it for /tg/ related things and just general knowledge.

sure....anon

>>31185733
no its not

>>31190738
watch the maidan BTR reversing back after 100+ molotovs

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>>31192323
>>31192354
Imagine if that got a direct impact on an MBT.

It would leave a 1m sized hole straight through before detonating and launching the entire carcass.

>>31189728
uh no

>>31192157
Mobility kill at the very least, it would probably penetrate top armor if it hit right on. It definitely would damage the tank pretty badly in any direct hit, since it carries 13lbs of comp b.

>>31201227
they aren't now, but they were before