Anyone familiar with arrows? Just watched this movie and the

>>31177180
Despite how movies depict arrows, they do work wonders against unarmored people.

>>31177273
He's wearing armor though.

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A bullet will stop doing damage once it's hit the body. If you have barbs on the arrows then they will continue to do damage every time you move a muscle with the arrow in you.

>>31177277
An arrow will go through a car door if it has enough poundage behind it. I'd like to see what they will do to a riot shield desu.

>>31177435
And remember borimir still kept fighting after getting arrowed a few times.

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>>31177435
While the idea of persistent trauma from arrows is both significant and notable, wound channels from firearms can cause significantly more serious and debilitating trauma from the properties inherent to temporary cavitation. High energy projectiles, especially, can cause extreme trauma when penetration of organs occurs. "Hard" or solid organs, such as the liver, may "fracture" from high energy impacts, making what would normally be a perforation into the complete destruction of tissue surrounding the pathway of the projectile.

>>31177180
Those are poisoned.

Those particular arrows are fucking huge, and fired from a bow most things couldn't even draw. I give him props for not laying down and dying after one or two.

puncturing any vital organ is going to be very unpleasant. enough to fold you over and make you lay down.

>>31177180
>boromir
>trying to imply he died like a bitch

We're about to have words, mother fucker.

>>31177180
The arrows are huge and heavy. There's a lot of energy behind them. He just figuratively got hit in the chest with a sledge hammer.

>>31177180
>Huge, barbed poison arrows
>Fired from a longbow most men can't even draw properly
>Even if he survived, extracting arrowheads would cause extreme internal trauma

It'd be like getting hit with a barbed baseball bat

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Archer Here
>70lb traditional English style longbow
>30'' traditional broad heads

>>31177273
This

>>31177277
If its not solid fucking plate with a curvature designed to stop punctures, i can probably shoot thru it

>>31177435
Depends on the arrow head for the car door, i have penetrated metals with proper tips
yes, for hurt

>>31177669
This, Try a broadhead to the lungs... much less center chest / heart / arties area. You gonna die

>>31177707
a decent way to put it


>Pic related, if i shoot you with one of those your gonna have a real bad day. mmk

>>31177782
>I can probably shoot thru it

I tip right back at you.

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>>31177435
>I'd like to see what they will do to a riot shield desu.

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>>31178185

>>31177180
https://youtu.be/7qiqmzZk0j0?t=2m6s

Shit goes through bodies fairly easy. If they use a bodkin arrow it will go through most armors fairly well. Especially if its a high poundage warbow.

>>31178189
>>31178185
Absolute savagery.

Was into bow shooting for a brief period when I was real young. Didn't realize how fucking dope it could be. Thanks for schooling us famalam

>>31177180
BROromirs death bothers you, but not all those Uruks dying instantly from Legolas12345's arrows?

Boromir was such a badass. I always disliked him as a kid because of how he was tempted by the ring, but then I grew up and realized just how bad of a dude he was.

>>31180116
#URUKLIVESMATTER

#POINTYARROWSNOTEARS

#FUCKFAIRFOLK

>>31177180
Boromir is literally the most based character, both his death in the films and books are the best and most emotinal parts, and his character is more complex than just being a all around great guy, but he is actually an all round great guy by the end
Depends on the arrow, depends on the armour
Either his chainmail was dogshit, or the bow and arrows used were specifically for piercing chain, which would fuck him up, taking 3 arrows and going down fighting at 100:1 his number is just the shit

>>31178222
So was I, but I stopped after barely a month. Just didn't feel particularly welcome.

>>31180563
>didn't feel particularly welcome.
they do that to weed out the people who really don,t care or wont take it as serious as they do.

Thise shafts look thicker than a .45 acp round, imagine the width of the tip. If he tried to raise his sword he'd slice himself up internally. Plus muh stopping powah, projectile dumped all its force into him.

>>31177180
So what you're saying is that I could shoot you in the chest with an arrow from a massive longbow and you'd giggle about it?

Fuck off you massive faggot. Shit like this is why she'll never love you.

>>31180834
Or you know, anybody who is not an asshole without self respect.

There is no excuse for being unwelcoming to new people, all it does is drive away anybody worth having.

>>31177696
This.
He died like the fucking Hero, he was.

>>31177180
getting hit by an arrow seems more terrifying than getting shot by a handgun tbqh

>>31177180
Maybe it penetrated a lung so he was gasping for air and basically fucked.

>>31177180
Are you fucking serious, like do you even have the mental capacity to under stand the reason? ITS A FUCKING ARROW WHAT DO YOU THINK

>>31177782
Bong here.. Are arrowheads sold right over the counter in America just like guns are? Disgusting imo

>>31181069
I was self taught since I was 7 when my mom gave me my first compound bow. Getting together with other bow people is overrated because it's just a fun thing to do by yourself.

Although there was that one time a couple of my 4H shooting buddies and I got our bows together to go fuck around innawoods. I learned a bit more then.

>>31181192
you can buy a bow and arrows over the counter in the UK, you fucking semen-gargling spunktrumpet.

>>31181207
Then get picked up by the coppers for having an offensive weapon.

>>31181192
bait.jpg

>>31181148

I wouldn't be surprised if the survival rates were higher with a handgun. Then again it depends where you're hit and how.

>>31177180
Go buy an arrow with a broadhead and stab yourself in the chest with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrWYuh_s1RQ

>>31181267
He must've got it right in an artery, fucking good shot

>>31181267

>that stare

I would feel like a dick if an animal gave me that stare. But as long as they eat it it's okay.

>>31180131
Same here.

Me, 12 years old:
> How lame, everybody else is just fine and he caves in to the ring

Me, upper twenties:
> He did right, and I'd prolly do the same.

Try moving your muscles around a 2-foot long stuck inside your body

>>31181479
I've only ever had an 8" stuck in my body, but it felt great

why havent ISIS executed someone with bow and arrow yet?

Better than 9mm

>>31181716
Because bows aren't loud enough and DAESh is really just trying to get attention.

Despite memes arrows couldn't penetrate plate armor. Even heavy crossbows had problems doing it.
Late medieval heavy cavalry usually wore gambeson, mail and plate on top of that.

>>31178152
>Howard Hill is one of the most decorated archers in target shooting, hunting, and flight archery competitions, he is also a celebrated writer and producer. .... He killed over 2,000 animals with his long bow, including an elephant, becoming the first white man to kill an elephant with a bow and arrow. He used four-foot arrows, while pulling a 115 pound bow to take the mighty beast

>>31177180
Medival armor was actually quite effective at stopping arrows. There are numerous accounts of knights riding around looking like pin cushions cause their armor was full of arrows but they were perfectly fine

>>31181993
In some of the later accounts the concern was that the rain of arrows was so dense it'd be inevitable to get through an eyeslit or other opening.

>>31181993

Not everyone was a knight who could afford a full plate armor and even knights couldn't wear one 24/7.

>>31181990

Damn.

>>31181993
I dunno, all my numerous accounts say Gothic plate was a fucking meme.

>>31181256
FBI report on gunshot trauma in the U.S. said that ~20% of GSWs caused by a pistol calibers are lethal, and that ~60% of long arm caliber GSWs are lethal.

It didn't make much of a distinction beyond that, but the point they were making was that long arms are considerably more lethal and the time between injury and medical treatment was the single biggest factor in survivability.
I think your chances of dying regardless of caliber doubled or tripled within 30-45 minutes on average if you didn't receive medical treatment.

>>31181267
The elk's blood is such a bright Crimson, what makes is that bright? More oxygenation in it than mine or yours?

>>31182657
I'd imagine so, or more efficient. Likely due to living in higher altitudes and colder areas.

>>31182657
That's arterial blood, it's lighter/brighter in color because it has more oxygen in it, or something like that. I forget the science aspect of it, but arterial blood is like that as opposed to the dark red/crimson blood being returned to the heart through veins that's depleted of oxygen.

>>31182711
The Hemoglobin changes color based on if its carrying oxygen or not.

>>31181990
How the fuck do you kill an elephant with a bow an arrow?

>>31177596
Doesn't work that fast.
Also, he might look like he's about to keel over because he took a fucking arrow to the chest.

>>31182657
I know if you get a lung shot, the blood from the lungs tends towards pink

>>31181267
Damn, that some fucking impressive shooting.

>>31182893
It's also bubbly and has a strange consistency.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1fb_1391366487

>>31177435
>An arrow will go through a car door if it has enough poundage behind it
Ive seen a potato go through a car door senpai

>>31182998
That's not a very polite way to address mentally challenged people, pham. :P

>>31182872
>four-foot arrows, while pulling a 115 pound bow
I think that's how he did it

>>31182872
same way WDM Bell killed hundreds/low thousands with .303, .318, 6.5mm, and 7mm rifles
shot placement and adequate penetration

>>31180131
especially in the context of the party, basically a bunch of supermen and he's the only normal guy, and it still took him forever to fall to it, and he turned back at the end. such a good guy

>>31177435
>A bullet will stop doing damage once it's hit the body. If you have barbs on the arrows then they will continue to do damage every time you move a muscle with the arrow in you.

That's cool and all, but the arrow also acts like a plug for the bleeding and basically creates a pencil wound, unless you get into high end hunting arrowheads. A gunshot wound bleeds freely and most rifle rounds create massive permanent wound channels.

Bows and crossbows being deadlier than firearms is a vidya meme. If they weren't, nobody would want to use them instead of guns, so the devs usually make them noticeably more powerful. It's the same bullshit as semi-auto / select fire guns being less powerful even when they're chambered in the same round as bolt action rifles.

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>>31181267
>that death stare
i aint no hippie but got damn

>>31181267
Why is this arrow glowing? Do they have led lights?

>>31181716
>why havent ISIS executed someone with bow and arrow yet?
Because bows require skill.

>>31177180
One arrow can slay the mightiest men.

You fucking faggot.

>>31181267
oh lawd that fucking stare, thats why I always shoot these fuckers in the head with a gun, cant handle them elk feels

"like why the fuck did you have to go and shoot me, i could have been your friend!" while gallons of blood pouring out of its heart

I vinced hard boys

>>31183559
You can buy nocks that have LEDs in them, yes. They have a magnetic switch activated by a stick-on magnet on your riser.

>>31177488
And was also a better swordsman the Aragorn. Poor guy was badass, but somebody had to take a kit for dramatic effect .can't really blame him for his motivation either

>>31177696
>>31181134
Shit still chokes me up after all these years

>>31183176
>the arrow also acts like a plug for the bleeding
ha

>>31177782
>30" broadheads

you add a zero there senpai?

>>31177277

They do got armor piercing arrow tips, that been around for a very, very long time. The person who shot him was an orc. He has a bow that is compared to being shot out of like a 300 pound cross bow.

Plus he is not wearing plate. Some chain armor, some heavy leather and some padding. Not hard to penetrate if you got proper arrow head.

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>>31181219

>>31184404

Aragon is a way better swordman. Specially seeing as he has what, 70 plus yrs of experience over him.

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>>31184440

Anything stuck in the wound channel inhibits bleeding. Guess why on every medical course ever they will tell you never to remove the weapon from a wound when providing first aid?
A rod going the full length of the channel basically IS a plug.

>>31181716

Cause it's not as scary as watching a person shot in the head with a shotgun, being drowned, run over by a tank, caught on fire, etc.

>>31182886
>doesnt work that fast

Depends entirely on the compound and delivery method. I mean yeah it's not like read light green light but some toxins are pretty fuckes up

>>31184508
Debatable. Aragorn is older and has a bit more fancy numenor blood going doe him, but they had very different job descriptions

>>31184464
Probably his draw length

>>31184691

Yeah, one ran around all the time in the wilds, facing all sorts of creatures and enemy combatives, doing so by himself. The other had usually platoon to full on army with him. Even token made comment long ago that aragon was better swordsman.

So shut up faggot.

>>31183176
Please watch
>>31181267
You fucking wannabe know it all

>>31184515
Tell that to the elk that 13 year old slayed in a previous post champ.

>>31184725

Plus the fact that one has prob about 30 yrs of sword experience, while Aragon has close to 60. Def gonna go with the more experienced one. Specially seeing as he is very well seasoned fighter, does not have the problems that come with that. I.e. old age, slower body movements due to that, bunch more.

I am also a HEMA instructor, so I got more first hand knowledge. So again>>31184707 fuck off fag.

>>31184737
>>31184764

When you hit a major blood vessel, even a plugged wound will bleed profusely, big surprise. It changes nothing about the reality of wounding mechanisms you autistic fuck.
If he shot the elk with a rifle in the same spot, it would have dropped even faster.

>>31184725
>>31184771
We've got to account for how much actual swordfighting time they got in. Aragorn, while old, did not spend most of his time swordfighting. Now, he most certainly did get in more than most, but generally speaking he was dicking around in the wild, and he did have a bow and arrow, which he likely used significantly more than his sword due to the nature of his work.

Then we have Boromir, who has been fighting nearly constantly for years. Sure, he has been alive for less time than Aragorn, but he's been fighting nearly constantly for 20+ years, and likely has been training for around 30. He was never one for books, whereas Aragorn has clearly been educated extensively in that regard.

>>31185085
Aragorn was raised by elves in rivendell, which carries with it extensive training in loads of stuff, that's what elves do. It can be assumed from that elf training that he's probably well versed in various swordfighting styles, maybe. Aragorn has also fought for rohan and gondor for 20ish years, culminating in an assault on umbar, which is like gondor: evil edition. to say he spent all his time fucking about in forest with a bow would be a false statement. chances are, he has more experience in war than boromir. the big redeeming factor of boromir is that he, being the steward's son, is also a leader of men, but not quite to the degree aragorn is. Boromir is also a big fucker, which might be why people think he'd be a better fighter

>>31180141
I meant just insta death, but true, orc lives matter!

>>31184764
Broadheads slice open wound channels, it's not just the arrow.

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>>31177180
We've been using arrows a long, long time. They've always been deadly. Even a poorly placed shot can cause severe pain and break your foe's resolve.

Get them in the chest? They sure as hell will be gasping for air if you didnt sever and artery or vein. Lob them in the arm or leg? Good luck lifting that shield or moving faster than a hop & skip. Hit them in the head? Enjoy that new hairstyle and blurred vision while I bear down on them.

Another sick thing about arrows is that the victim is often tempted to just pull them out. Big mistake. If they have any hooks or extra edges, it will cause a lot of damage on its way out.

This adds a certain extra deadliness to the arrow over, say, a bullet. Then again, a bullet blowing through you destroys a huge array of tissue, blood vessels, nerves, and bone. Arrows can only do that if they are very close to the target.

That scene went on for fucking ever and the music made it sappy as shit. The best part of the book is that they just found him afterwards with a bunch of bodies around him.

>>31182657
Arterial blood is bright because it's under high pressure, blood from an artery will tend to be frothy as it exits a wound and thus it may look brighter red or even pink.

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>>31185553
Let's look at this poor fellow. One of the militamen from the city of Visby, he fought against a much larger and professional army under the king of Sweden.

The Swedes launched several volleys of arrows into the defenders before sending their cavalry in. The guy probably turned around and hunched over in fear of being struck.

Cowering in fear earned him three arrows to the back of his noggin. Did it kill him? No. The arrows lacked the force to pass deep into his cranium.

It did penetrate enough to send shards of bone into the brain. If he did not pass out from pain or brain damage, the warhammer wound on the top-right of his skull did the job.

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>>31177277
It's being shot by an abomination of a dunlending and an orc, so it's got a lot more power behind it than a normal man could.
I imagine the draw weight of an uruk-hai bow could pierce basic armor like boromir was wearing if it had a hardened tip.

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>>31185590
They had some interesting concepts of using arrows for purposes other than direct murder or hunting.

The Byzantines packed naptha into small packs around the arrow shaft. If you already had a fire going, or combined them with some archers using fire arrows, these naptha arrows would explode.

Greek fire was notorious for being both extremely hot and sticky. Flammable goo flying everywhere... not the way I want to go

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>>31185615
There are plenty of different heads to use too. The crescent moon shape on arrows was used against cavalry.

The shape was made to spread damage across a bone or bones. It would scrape inside the horse's body too, causing it to panic or kill over in a matter of moments

>>31177696
Same

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>>31185626
Want to try archery? Try these three main styles of holding the arrow

>>31183176
A normal arrow would, however many hunting arrows have broad blade shaped heads or even a pair of spring loaded razor sharp fins which snap out when they hit something. Arrows like that produce huge wounds and often cut through blood vessels or organs that a simple point wouldn't have even touched.

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>>31185634
The steppes produced many cultures known for their archery. After all... a poor archer makes a poor hunter and an even poorer man

>>31185644
>basically creates a pencil wound unless you get into high end hunting arrowheads
>unless you get into high end hunting arrowheads

>>31185644
>spring loaded
Mechanical broadheads don't need springs, they catch and snap open on impact. Either traditional style where they rotate on a hinge at the rear of the head, or slip cam style that expand open.

>>31185634
Index over is the most popular, Mongolian requirks a thumb ring, and pinch actually isn't a thing.

>>31186037
>pinch actually isn't a thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj41RhIKsi8
Yes, it is.

>>31186409

Nope, Japs use a thumb/mongolian draw of sorts. That's not pinch no matter how you stretch it.

>>31177696
The extended edition gives so much more depth to his character. That scene where Denethor tells him that they've found the One Ring, you can tell how frightened he is by the fact that his father wants HIM to go and deliver Isildur's Bane to him. He knows what the ring is, what it does and knew that he was just a man.

Felt more human that Aragorn in the first movie.

>>31181823
You're kidding right? Bodkins-tipped arrows definitely has the capability to pierce plate on a straight shot.

Crossbows were actually outlawed by the fucking Pope because it enabled any shiteating peasant to pick up a crossbow and put a bolt into a knight easily, fuck his platemail. The nobility were threatened by it and tried to ban it.

Took 30 seconds of searching Youtube to find a video where Bodkins arrows pierced a breastplate.

>>31186914
Some recent tests have demonstrated that needle bodkins could penetrate all but heavy steel plate armour; one test used padded "jack" armour, coat of plates, iron and steel mail and steel plate. A needle bodkin penetrated every type, but may not have been able to inflict a lethal injury behind plate. As with all other tests, accuracy of these tests is called into question as the arrowheads were all high carbon steel and hardened, and the historical accuracy of the armour tested is unknown. In one test of historical arrows from the London Museum, a "type 16" barbed arrowhead was indeed found to be steel;[6] the composition of the other types of arrowheads (including bodkins) was not tested.

It has been suggested that the bodkin came into its own as a means of penetrating armour, but research by the Royal Armouries[1] has found no hardened bodkin points, though only two bodkin points were actually tested, not a statistically relevant number. Bodkins did, however, have greater ability to pierce mail armour than broadheads, and historical accounts do speak of bodkin arrows shot from close range piercing plate armour[citation needed]. Broadheads were made from steel, sometimes with hardened edges, but were more often used against lightly armoured men or horses than against an armoured adversary.