Humvees Getting Uparmed

Why are we still using these wheeled coffins

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>>31170867
>the current year
>still using humvees
Where the fuck does the US military budget go to?

>>31170867
>Anytime we can shoot bullets that explode, versus bullets that don't explode, that's a good thing.

>>31170906
LCS, Zumwalt, Ford, F-35 and gender reassignment surgery.

Autist here

Whats wrong with using humvees?

>>31170971
IED bait

>>31170867
Isn't this going to just make them weigh even more? I thought humvees were already overburdened with additional armor and shit

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>>31170971
Shit armour, low capacity. There are brigade combat teams with Humvees as their main vehicle.

>>31170971
Guy who lives near Oshkosh here. They've been producing the direct replacement here for going on a year. There's parking lots of them all over the place. I'd take a picture if I didn't feel like I'd make a watchlist doing it.

>>31170984
>>31171000
>>31171006
Wew so what should take the place of humvees

>>31171018
L-ATV.

>>31171018
Jeeps

>>31171026
>L-ATV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaEdL4WgLIM

Judging by this vid they look ebin

>>31171044
What kind?

>>31171018
Well, nothing if they were used like they were supposed to be.
In reality, a short 4x4 stryker? If such a thing exists

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yfw humvees equivalent in Ru army is btr

>>31170971
How many other first world countries have technicals as a combat vehicle?

>>31171057
Jeep Cherokee

>>31171089
Multiple countries do, but I don't think many others have their basic battlegroups have it as their primary method of transport.

>>31171105
But those aren't armored right?
How would they protect against RPG's?

>>31170867
Just buy border patrol Ford Raptors in tan and stop trying to use unarmored/"armored" transport vehicles as tanks.

>>31171137
Same way the Humvees do, they don't.

>>31171149
Oh

But shouldn't we be trying to design a jeep with armor against explosive projectiles like RPG's then?

>>31171159
No, the US should abandon the idea of MRAP/JEEP shit as main transport for its troops and focus on building a military reliably capable of something else than COIN.

>>31171159
Just roll down the windows

>>31171159

Not every vehicle needs to be superproofed against everything.

Every military in the world has some degree of light utility vehicles for general duties, logistics, liason, transport, light recon and convoy movements. US uses Humvees, Brits use Land Rovers, French use VBLs etc etc.

The issue is when they are used as frontline assault vehicles, and its those units that need something better.

>>31171180
>BUT MY BABIES!!
>WHY ISN'T SOMETHING BEING DONE TO PREVENT DEATH IN WAR!!

Will never happen.

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This is close to what I see driving/parked in Oshkosh. Things are everywhere.

>>31171180

>he thinks ww3 is going to happen soon
Brush wars are the new standard

>>31171180
What vehicle should be the main transportation instead?

>>31171202
What is its aimed at your windshield? You can't roll a windshield down I think...

>>31171214
Oh ok so its more of how they are implemented wrong than what they are mad of?

>>31171257

You're oversimplifying it just a tad, anon. It's more that the platform is decent for its role as a light utility vehicle. It's just that there are certain units that really should be using something else for the roles THEY do.

Everything matters depending on context.

>>31171018
Land raiders

Oshkosh is replacing the humvee.

>>31171006
>wis/k/obro
Whaddup nigger, also repping 920 here

>>31171006
>>31171244

MATVs are cool, but they have a hole cut in the armor for the exhaust. Placed explosives have an uncanny ability to exploit this weakness.

Also, they're fuckhueg. Like, unreasonably big for a replacement for a light utility vehicle.

>>31171287
I heaven't heard the US military make those...

Can you enlighten me?

>>31170971
Essentially your bog standard humvee is nothing more than a cool looking f250/Silverado with slightly thicker doors. Imagine driving your redneck fuck truck through a battle zone.

Then they decided to slap a shit load of armour on them to make them less prone to rpg and ied. So imagine your redneck incest wagon with some armour plates on it. Stops stray bullets but still turns the occupants into mush when she explodes.

Because being in a humvee is like just asking for explosions, they designed and fielded the MRAP, which is pretty much designed for driving through heavily mined areas because you forgot to subdue the local population.

Lightly skinned vehicles are the past, pretty much APCs are the future

>>31171358
>Also, they're fuckhueg

They are taller, but other than that they are basically the same size as a humvee. They weigh more due to armor.

>but they have a hole cut in the armor for the exhaust. Placed explosives have an uncanny ability to exploit this weakness.

You going to sneak onto the FOB to do this?

>muh IEDs

if they have luke skywalker, maybe.

>>31170867
>now everything is going to have to be armored against 30mm from all angles

crazy to think about

>>31171349
sweet. appleton here. work takes me down to oshkosh quite a bit though. where you at?

>>31171417

>slightly thicker

The old-school hard doors were about a quarter inch of fiberglass. That's if you didn't get a soft-skin with a raincoat for a door.

Okay...a correction for the thread.
ITS NOT A HUMVEE!!!!! Its a High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle, which is a term used for any Army vehicle in a certain class of vehicles. It is not exclusive for the 998-1155 serives of vehicle. So when the JLTVs get fielded they will be the new HMMWV's, but we will call them "Pumas" becasue thats what they look like.

>>31171349
>920 master race
Didn't think anyone else from Appleton posted on 4chan

>>31171806
Autist

>>31171422

There's been plenty of catastrophic IED hits on MATVs, and I've done enough post-blasts to know that it's a real issue. Shock front don't give no fucks, it's getting into that hole and tearing the vehicle apart. MRAPs, Max-Pros and RGs hold up fine because they don't have a hole in them. MATVs will sustain casualties with significantly less explosives than the rest of the inventory. It's such a notorious flaw that TF Paladin blacklisted the vehicle for all their personnel under all but the most dire circumstances.

Surplus humvees when?

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>>31170867
Hory shit. It is War Inc

>>31171089
you mean light utility vehicles? that can be (are ) armed and can be (are) used in combat ?

everyone ? you will have hard time finding someone who doesn't

>>31171809
We may even know each other. Into /tg/ things too?

>>31171980
Yet US Army IBCTs are driving around in Humvees, whilst other nations are bussing their troops with IFVs and proper APCs.

>>31172015
Meh, kinda, I only started visiting /tg/ lately. I moved to Milwaukee two years ago so I don't come up back to Appleton often enough to play with a group on a regular basis

>>31172042
what other nations ?

holly shit do you live in some sort special parallel dimension

in Afghanistan uk were driving their land rovers panthers and huskys

french even incorporate VBL in their mbt formations

and russian were using all sort of light and medium utility shit in Georgia

just because other nations in coalition are deploying less forces and have luxury to use heavier shit it doesn't mean they don't use light utility in combat

>>31172161
COIN and incorporating light vehicles into units and reconnaissance is not the same thing as entire BCTs driving around in Humvees.

>>31172229

Strykers have all but replaces humvee BCT's, friend.

>>31172277
Source.

>>31172292

Maybe the small fact that the US has well over 5000 of them?

I cant prove a negitive, that a unit does NOT have something anymore.

For example, i can tell you has of 2012, no pure Humvee BCT's exist.

Right now, you cant find one.

>>31172330
Stryker BCT =/= Infantry BCT, dingus.

>>31171358
The vehicle in pic is a JLTV not a MATV. It's somewhere around halfway between a humvee and MATV in size
>>31171244

>>31172341

Im well aware, retardo.

Humvees have all been phased out of the old school light infantry divisions (now BCT's).

Even in 3rd ID.

>>31172437
In July 2015, the Army announced the reduction of 2 additional BCTs as part of ongoing reductions to an endstrength of 450,000. In addition to the reduction, one active Stryker BCT will convert to an infantry BCT, and its vehicles will be used to convert an Army National Guard BCT from armored to Stryker. After the reductions, the 30 active BCTs will be composed of:[9]

9 armored brigade combat teams
7 Stryker brigade combat teams
7 infantry brigade combat teams
4 infantry brigade combat teams (airborne)
3 infantry brigade combat teams (air assault)

ICBT
>358 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs) (all variants)
>234 Medium Tactical Vehicles (MTVs) (all variants)
So what other vehicles are these HMMWVs?

>>31172483
>So what other vehicles are these HMMWVs?

The gorrlion MRAPs the US has lying around?

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>>31172502
Then why does it say HMMWV instead of MRAP or M-ATV? Could it be because they're actual Humvees, still waiting to be replaced with somewhat less shitty JLTVs?

>>31172542

>why is Wikipedia overgeneralized?

Why indeed.

Furthermore, you fail to mention a military that does not use light vehicles in its brigade level infantry divisions.

>>31170867
>>31170906
>Army recon targets Apache helicopter cannon for Humvee replacement
They're talking about the JLTV/LATV you illiterate retards

>>31172483
In an IBCT?

Most will be your your logistical vehicles, for one. So fuel, water, and transpo assets. And then you'll have engineer assets for digging, so graters and the like. Plus MHE like forklifts. MI and Signal guys will have their shop vans too.

>>31172437
>No HMMWVs in 3ID
>3ID is light infantry

Funny because I've watched them drive around Europe in HMMWVs all summer.

>>31172568
Except it's not just Wikipedia that claims IBCTs use Humvees. Unless you've got some actual sources to back up your claims, feel free to fuck off.

>>31172591
>3ID is light finantry

3ID DOES have infantry BCTs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Infantry_Division_(United_States)

>Funny because I've watched them drive around Europe in HMMWVs all summer.

Uhhhh, yeah. Hmmwv's tend to be used on roads and whatnot.

>>31172604

There is "use" and then "comprised entirely of" (which was the original claim)

Every single unit in the army uses Humvees to some extent.

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>>31172616
Keep moving them goalposts and you'll reach Mexico soon.

>>31172632

Stating that IBCT's drive around humvees when alternatives have existed for over a decade is silly anon.

Furthermore, every nations light infantry uses trucks. Every one.

>>31171074
>humvees equivalent in Ru army is btr

euh, woulden't the BTR's equivalent be the stryker, at least capablity wise and the GAZ tiger the humvee equivalent

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>>31172812
nope, BTR = humvee. tigr is new addition to BTRs and so police and other smaller units would have armor

>>31170908
That sure sounds like something a soldier would say

>>31172812
Stryker is an american response to BTR.
Gaz Tiger is Russian response to Humvee, or more particularly, Hummer.

>>31170867
What ga-
>>31171967
Give me your home address so i can kiss you. Right now

>>31170971
Guys riding on them outside the wire along bad bumpy roads for hours and hours during patrols will break their backs.

Damage to the spine just because bobbing up and down on those seats can result a total disability.

A proper military off road capable land vehicle has at least six wheels (three in line on both sides), but most preferably eight.

>>31172812
>>31173149
Stryker is, quite literally, an outgunned and non-amphibious copy of BTR-80. Even the Stryker BCTs are poor man's attempt at emulating 1998' Pristina march, and their upcoming 30mm upgrade is a clear imitation of 82A's auto-cannon as well.

>>31171769
>>31171809
>Appleton
Maximum disgust

I'm by Wautoma, but originally from Winneconne and I'm in the Valley at least once a week. I shoot at the DNR range by Wautoma, free and usually not busy when I go there.

Wis/k/onsin meetup when? We can grill venison steaks and watch da Packers after shooting.

>>31172076
Yeah I think I know who this may be. Played a bit of historicals at chimera? This is your friendly local ork player.

>>31174032

I dunno. May not trust some of you local crazies around me with guns. I'm also a Bears fan, so that's not too safe either lol.