Air Rifle thread.

Newfag here

Autistic Question, but can air rifles stop a home intruder?

>>31170201
dead in his tracks.

>>31170201
A pellet rifle, no, they are exclusively for target shooting and pest control at short range.

A .50 caliber air rifle used for hunting? Certainly

>>31170236
Do you think you can recommend a good .50 caliber air rifle for a fair price? They sound interesting

>>31170201

Generally, no.

The full answer: it depends.

There are basically two types of air rifles - "limit", and FAC.

Limit rifles, are "withing the 12 foot pound (approx 16.3 Joule) limit" that applies in most European countries. That's good for hunting small critters (up to a rabbit, up to about 35-40 yards).

Then you have FAC (Firearms Acquisition Certificate) category of air rifles above said limit - not all countries require a FAC for purchase, but there are generally some restrictions (in Poland, for example, you have to register FAC air rifles, and you can't free range with them, though you can purchase and own one with no problems).

Those are above the 17 Joule limit, and they could seriously hurt someone.

This second category also includes monsters like the Daystate Wolverine in .303 caliber, or Benjamin Bulldog in .357 - these are powerful enough to drop large game.

>>31170201
In theory, yes. There are very powerful air rifles from 9mm up to .50 caliber that are on par with handgun rounds of similar diameter.

That said, you're basically dealing with a single shot pistol caliber carbine that's the weight and bulk of a full sized rifle, which is possibly the worst thing you could try to defend a home with.

>>31170275
Oh ok

Yeah I am a burger in commiefornia so I think I may have to register to get a FAC not sure but I will check

>>31170294
Damn, I guess if I get one I might just use it for shooting moles and snakes

>>31170275
lol, not all air rifles are from the UK

I'd say if a powerful air rifle is all you have, go for it.

>>31170268

.50 is overkill (or possibly a typo), but there are "normal" caliber air rifles like the .303 and .357 I mentioned.

Generally, though, to get such power, you need a PCP (Pre-Copressed Pneumatic) rifle, and these are inherently more expensive than piston powered rifles.

Then theres a question of manufacturers.
Unfortunately for Yankees, all the best ones are European - Air Arms, Daystate, Walther, Weihrauch, Steyr, Walther (in no particular order).
Turkish Hatsan is the cheap but decent for entry level PCP.

For piston rifles, Spanish Gamo, and Crossman are the lower end ones.

>>31170314

I didn't say they were, but most of YURP followed British limits and rules for FT/HFT competitions.

>>31170319
Since I am autistic and a burger

Can you recommenced a decent PCP from a good manufacturer? Like maybe one from Hatsan? (And a fair priced one if possible)

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I have a question. I just purchased 2 Benjamin Maximus. One in 177 and one in 22. Even for the cheapest pcp available these are so superior to the Gamo break barrels we were using in both terms of accuracy and velocity. Why is noone else making entry level pcp guns that operate at 2000 psi and can easily be hand pumped. Over 2000 you pretty much need a scuba tank. I find we can shoot about 40 shots and recharge it with 50 to 60 pumps. BTW I got both rifles and the benjamin pump for 5 hundo delivered.

>>31170275

>fac

Not in America. The airforce Texan produces as much kinetic energy as a 9mm handgun and it's not legally a firearm.


In America,you can enjoy any gun that produces any amount of kinetic energy. In the UK and Canada and Germany you are limited to 12 foot pounds without them being firearms and requiring licensing. Which is why .22 airguns in the us are more used than .177 because we can have .22 airguns that produce 25-30 foot pounds that you can buy off the shelf.

>>31170354
Benjamin Marauder

Excellent value and ton of aftermarket parts and accessories. it isn't as accurate as some European guns but for $500 it's excellent.

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>>31170372

Gamo coyote whisper operates at over 3k psi and is about 560 bucks

>>31170354

depends on what's a fair price for you. You're probably looking at $600+ anyway for the good ones (and the sky's the limit). You can go down to $400, but you'll still need a way to fill the compressed air tank, and that means buying a pump (seriously NOT recommended for high power PCPs that will eat through your air and pumping up to 180 BAR every 20 shots will either kill you, or make you fit to play The Mountain on Game of Thrones in no time).

You can get the bulldog for 800 (+glass and other doodads).

Check Pyramid Air for that - probably the best airgun related site in the New World.
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_rifles/Precharged_pneumatic_PCP/155/page_2

>>31170201
Not likely, unless you're le master marksman and hit 'em in the eyeball.

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I want to shoot 10 meter air rifle and I'm looking at the avanti 753. Does anybody anybody have anybody have any experience with it?

>>31170431
Get a Daisy 853. It's explicitly designed for target and competition shooting, light as a feather and handles like a dream. It has an adjustable buttstock, which is nice if you're a tallfag, and it's stupid easy to use.

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And just because I feel like stroking my own ego a bit, here's a group I shot today:
5 shots at 50 meters from a bench rest using the s400f in OP, with a Hawke Sidewinder 6-24x56 30SF scope @20x mag, with a 1.5 dot holdover using H&N Field Target Trophy 8.64 grain pellets


Mind you, I'm not that good of a shooter, but it's the first time I've had some time to really go out and shoot since July, so I'm happe either way. If the weather holds, i'll take the springer for a spin tomorrow - always fun to shoot a classic.

>>31170431

Also look at the Walther LGV master (different iron sights than the other LGV line rifles) if you want a springer. That, and the original LGV is a 10m air rifle legend from the 1950s, and the new one certainly does not disappoint.

Air Arms S200 (made by CZ for AA) and some of the new S400M ones for PCP.

>>31170396
>>31170413
Thanks famlads

Appreciate the advice

>>31170378
Canada limits are based on 500 fps velocity not foot pounds. If it's over 500 fps it also needs to meet the joule requirement to be a firearm. This second requirement was simply to prevent air pistols from being banned due to RCMP using light weight pellets when testing.

>>31170201
High power .25 caliber guns outside of UK (so in most european cuntries) have almost 40J power, which easily puts a 25grain pellet flying really far. Flies through small game very easily, most certainly will critically wound a person if shot from close since you can hunt deer with it.

>>31170552
Velocity and energy actually

>>31170552

well if you have an airgun that can go 500 fps, what stopping you from putting a 10.5 grain crosman ultra magnum in it and getting 6 foot pounds of energy?

my understanding is that 500 fps or more that produce more than 4.2 foot pounds is a firearm and thus you need licensing

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gonna dump some air rifle porn

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>>31170636
Fucking beautiful rifle

>>31170662

a beauty

Though the LGV has spoiled me, and for me it's wedge lock or bust in break barrels.

I live in Finland, I practice shooting with a Baikal IJ-61 indoors 10 meter

When I go outside I have a Gamo IGT Black Fusion Mach 1 4,5mm for longer range plinking on steel targets at the summer cottage :))

>>31170677

i read that as 14.5mm and had a wat moment

>>31170705
>tfw no anti tank air rifle

>semi auto air rifle with no electronics
hnngg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrXcGNTBzSs

>>31170752
>>31170705
I need this in my life. But it'd need a scuba tank.

>>31170627
You can fire whatever the fuck you want if it's under 500 fps. Things like M79s are not firearms simply becuase velocity is too low.
If it's over 500 fps then it must also be over the energy limit to be a firearm. If it has too little energy it's still just an airgun.

Does anyone know of any pcp air guns that opperate on 2000 psi besides the Benjamin Discovery and Maximus? Pretty much same gun just wood or synthetic.

>>31170991

well, the range for my air arms s400f is between 100 and 180 BAR (200 Bar is 3k psi
), so there's that bit of range between about 1500 PSI and some 2800 PSI.

You'd just get fewer shots. Then again - pumping it only gets tougher above 150 BAR.

That's my point. I can easily pump my Maximus to 2000 psi (138 bar) from 1000 psi with like 60 strokes and then get about 40 high power shots. 1000 fps for 177 and 900 fps for 22 and heavy lead pellets too. Why don't other make guns that operate at these pressures? Seems like it would be a gold mine to me.

>>31170201

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8JYjWitz0

>>31170310
You don't need a cert for any air rifle. Anything which didn't use a propellant charge (smokeless powder or better) is not legally a firearm in the US. Note, this includes black powder weapons, which means even a 16 year old could buy one.

bought baikal 654k 5th gen.
>it was made in 2014, why does it not look like what people on internet said a 5th gen is like? I'ts finished differently and missing the milled out extractor slot
>What aftermarket parts are good? Any way to get new sights?
>I've noticed sometimes when slide is racked that the hammer does not cock and goes under the slide meaning you have to cock it by holding the side open and using like a screwdriver or someting to get it cocked so slide can retract. What is causing this?
>I got a suppressor with it, what are some good DIY inserts to make to actually make it suppress more than 2db.

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Are these any good? Also what do they run on? Little co2 containers?
Are there any rifles that don't need you to buy compressed gas to shoot that actually shoot out fast enough to kill small game?

>>31171222

most people with PCP rifles just have a scuba tank in their car anyway.
I get about 60-70 even shots going from 180 to 120 bar, which is what i tend to shoot at, so i'll pump once or twice while at the range, and 60 shots is plenty if you're out to pop some critters, so charging from a bottle before heading out does the trick.

There's just too little need for those light pumping guns. Especially since you can pump your regular pcp up to 150 bar quite easily and quickly, and just shoot down to 100.

>>31171497
Was just about to ask a question like that, but looking to pick up a present for my little bro's 18th
He really wants a pistol, and he's got hunting rifles and shotguns so I figured an air pistol would be a good gift since he can't have a pistol in our state yet.

Only issue is it'd need to be able to be able to kill snakes and similar vermin, because it WILL be used on them eventually

>>31171497

thats a fixed barrel single stroke spring piston

so when you bring the cocking arm down, (rod under the barrel) it opens the breech so you can load your pellet and it compresses a metal spring which charges the gun. if its a gas spring/gas ram system, it uses compressed gas already in the gun, you dont need to refill it all because its charged from the factory and will stay in the gun forever. and the gas acts like a physical spring.


tl;dr you dont need an external powersource for that particular gun

>>31171488
pictures? I got a 654k riding in my car with a couple of 12 grams and a can of BBs for some fun plinking, but I've never had any problems with it.

Since the baikal uses like 90% original mak parts, if you can get any (like the import makarovs, not the vintage ones) with adjustable sights, you can just swap the slide (you'd have to remove the extractor and swap the firing pin IIRC).

The hammer not cocking properly might be a sear issue, or it might be a hammer spur issue, hard to say just now.

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>>31171562

crosman 2240 is a good ol c02 air pistol

it can kill a snake at close range, and it fires a .22 pellet, and since its single shot, you can use any size pellet.

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>>31171591
bad pic but whatever.
Serial number is t14800838
What ammo you use in it?
Any way to lighten the DA trigger pull?

>>31171571
Neat!
What's the largest animal I could kill with it? I've killed tiny rabbits with a Walmart Daisy, can I take down Jackrabbits?
Also how quiet is "whisper"? I plan on shooting in my backyard for fun but live in the city.
Again thanks dude, you just gave me info I've been looking for, for sometime now.

>>31171497

it's an underlever gun. gas piston simply means that instead of a coil spring, the piston is powered by a closed gas circuit (like a hydraulic system, except hydraulics use a non-compressible liquid)

If you search youtube for reviews on the Walther Terrus, there's one from vermin hunters tv where they drop a rabbit with a .22, 12 fpe springer at 53 meters. Nuff said.

Also - it says "whisper" in your pic, so I'm guessing that's a Gamo (Spanish maker) - it's decent.

My point there is a need for these 138 bar air rifles. I do not have a scuba tank. A scuba tank would cost more then both of my maximus rifles and the pump. I only have them because I do pest control for a living. Finding a scuba fill station is kinda out of the question. But obviously they can make a high power and accurate rifle that has 40 shots at 138 bar maximum. I just want a little better quality one with a better trigger. I shoot 1 inch groups at 75 yards with the Maximus in either caliber, much better then I could do with the break barrel springers. Even after 35 shots Maximus still has more FPS then the springers too and forget about that springer recoil.

>>31171615

yep, that's typical baikal.

As for the DA trigger pull, short of taking it to a gunsmith, I don't think so - that's Soviet Engineering for you (though from what I hear, it's still not as bad as a TT DA pull, but after 4-5 mags through the MP654k in DA mode, it's enough to make you weep).

>>31171619
pretty quiet. But in general, rifles within the 17J limit are much quieter than 30+ Joule ones (no surprises there).

Don't know about the gamo (probably not), but some rifles (most Walther ones, like Terrus, Century, LGV/LGU) come with 1/2x20UNF threading for silencers (not legal in some parts).

>>31171619


You can kill a coyote or smaller with it. And the whisper system dampens the report of the rifle by like 60 percent or something according to gamo, but it'll still be loud when you're behind the gun. If you're using heavy pellets, like jsb 13 grain pellets the velocity will slow down to where the pellet won't produce a sonic crack, but you'll get noise from the mechanics of the gun.

Also the fps was measured with alloy light weight pellets, so im gonna assume the actual velocity with 7.4 grain pellets is between 900-1000 fps.

>>31171698

Out of curiosity - what pump do you have?
I have a Hatsan pump, and while it's quite heavy, and was about 40% more expensive than a crossman one, I really don't notice the effort in pumping until I get above 150 bar.

Also - there are some springers that are more than good enough for pest control (again, that Terrus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGvOyeUMPXA ) Obviously, a lgv/lgu would be even better, because it has higher end internals, but more expensive - you're looking at 500+ (plus glass) for the lgv, and you can get a terrus for $200 (250 in wood) plus glass.

>>31171609
Thanks

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>>31171730

7.4 grain is still light for .177.
Most people here shoot JSB Exacts (which are like $7 a tin here in Poland), and those are 8.44 grain, and for hunting I'd seriously recommend pic related @ 9.57 grain, but awesome pellets (expensive, though, +50% for a tin of 400 compared to JSB).

Here are a couple of vids on the baracuda HE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvsQf883M-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vt_wpOyzYs (warning, this one is graphic)

>>31171845

The most common .177 pellet weight in the United states is 7.4-7.9 grain.

I have the Benjammin pump that came in a package deal with the 22 cal Maximus for 300 bucks. I do have a Hatsan 22cal underlever springer that pumps out heavy pellets at about the same velocity as the Maximus but the recoil is like a 20 guage shotgun and the cocking is a little scary.

Why do the air arms guns require a higher pressure to deliver less rounds at the same velocity then the Maximus? Makes me wonder

>>31171979

non necessarily less. the 70 shots is me being very conservative.

At the end of the day today I shot 6 5-shot groups and went from 180 down to about 155 bar, so i could easily get twice that again (close to 100 shots easy), but since it's an unregulated gun, i tend to stay in the sweet spot of 120-170 bar operating pressure.

I used a Chronograph to find the sweet spot on the maximus and found it to be 35-40 shots. It also seemed to be the same for either caliber as well. I was expecting at least 20% less shots at 22. But I still had 15 more shots at 90% power. I used 22 cal crossman domed magnums and 177 crossman pointed pellets.

>>31170354
Quackenbush is probably best. About $800 but the wait list is 1 year+ people are paying close to double for them in secondary market

I aint killing big game with the Maximus. I have them both sited in with pretty nice scopes shooting 1 inch groups at 25 yards. Use the 177 for sparrows, starlings, and pigeons. Use the 22 for raccoons, squirrels, and opossums.

Anyone here uses air rifles to take winged rats? Some pigeons decided to nest inside our warehouse at work and it was been impossible to drive them off using conventional methods. I need a rifle to take them out, the warehouse isn't big but the zinc roofing is pretty thin and anything too powerful will probably damage it.

>>31172664

sounds like you want something under 17J (12 fpe).
Unless your roof is made out of beer cans, metal usually resists pellets. Especially the less penetrating ones (might want to use wadcutters, but their accuracy drops sharply beyond 20 yards).

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>>31172664
I do

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>>31173783

>>31171609

Second this, very good for close range ratting too, my ex gfs cat brought a rat into the house one time.

>Wake up in the morning
>Sat with her dad at the dinner table drinking a coffee
>He gets ready to leave for work, walks into the front porch to put his work boots on
>Runs back inside the house like a frightened child
>6ft 2, gym freak and a 3rd Dan black belt in Aikido
>"Anon, there's a sleeping rat in my work boot"
>Proceed to laugh at him and retrieve the 2240 I bought him for Christmas
>Walk into the porch, he follows far behind
>Line up sights, Blast the rat straight in the spine from about 3 feet away
>Rat lets out a fucking war cry and flies into the air
>Ex gfs dad flies back into the house at fucking mach 3
>I put another pellet into the breech and shoot it again, for good measure.

Turns out it died mid-air, but my ex gfs dad was shaking, never knew he was so scared of rats. All in all, only problem with this pistol is the iron sights, they're pretty garbage.

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Welp, got a Gamo CFX on .177 after this.

>>31173794
Damn nice

>>31170455
>>31170431

I dunno about those Daisies, but If I were you I'd just get a used Feinwerkbau 600 series or equivalent. You'll find one innaclub. Older air rifles have pretty long service lives. When I was in my uni team I bought a pretty old second-hand Steyr Match 91 and I'm sure it would have gotten me into the Olympics or some shit if I were good enough, 'xept I wasn't.

today was a bit windy, but I still took my lgv for a spin. Best targets at 50m were 36/50 (best one with my pcp from yesterday was 43/50)

Granted, the lgv has a much weaker glass.

I've got an IJ22 :)

Bong reporting in.

Currently have a BSA Meteor II .22 i was given by my Dad for my 15th birthday, however all i do is target shooting so i want to get a PCP gun in .177 as i read they are more accurate, with the tradeoff being that they don't have as much stopping powah.

I saw the new Daystate Griffin online and it looks amazing however all the Youtube comments said it was overpriced crap. The price doesn't bother me so much but is there anything similar i should be looking at?

I tried the Walther Rotrex RM8 at an air gun range and it broke after two shots because i cocked it slightly up in the air apparently (not sure how i managed that as it was sitting on a shooting bag..) so that's out. I did like the BSA Gold Star as well - http://bsaguns.co.uk/air-rifles/pcp-airguns/gold-star.aspx

>>31181227

.177 get higher muzzle velocity, which translates to a flatter trajectory.

You can get enough stopping power to drop small game (especially with good shot placement and hunting pellets - again, I can't say enough good things about the baracuda hunter extreme from H&N, except maybe that they are expensive as pellets go).

Youtube comments are not very reliable. From what I heard, the Griffin is ok, though I don't have any personal experience with it.

Don't know why you would say a PCP rifle doesn't have the stopping power of a springer. I have the least expensive PCP rifle made and it slings the .22 Crossman domed magnum pellets out consistently at 900 fps. The 177 does 1000 fps with heavy lead not alloy pellets.

>>31181538

I got caught on that one too. I think he meant the lower stopping power of .177 vs .22 (the PCP part was there as a coincidence).

.177 pellets are lighter, and conserve less energy downrange.

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.458 quackenbush outlaw

>>31181538
>>31181555

Yeah sorry i meant .177 doesn't have the stopping power because it can over-penetrate small game and they can run off to die a slow death, whereas .22 will kill it outright assuming you hit the right spot.

This is all shit i read online btw, i shot a pigeon with it when i was a teenager, it fell out of the tree, got up and flew off. Hard bastard.

The PCP comment was just because i like using them over a break barrel.