H&K wins French rifle contract

>>31167370
Personally I think they would have been better off just buying something close like the hk416, but in di. Would have cost them much less and the. The rifles would also weigh less. Not like there is a huge advantage with 416.

>>31167370
Bon voyage, FAMAS... ;_;

I'm so upset I can't buy a surplus famas

>>31167424
but it runs cold

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>>31167370
RIP famas, you will be missed

>>31167370
RICH
AND
H&K416

>>31167506
Surely you don't mean the HK 416 runs cold
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/03/06/norwegian-soldiers-having-problems-with-hk416-2/

>One of the problems is that the piston system locks up if the gun is taken outdoors from a warm building when the humidity in the air freezes in the Norwegian arctic conditions

Should have just got m4s from FN.

>>31167582
I don't see too many arctic conditions in central France or sub-Saharan Africa m80.

>>31167611
Nice moving the goal posts from but it runs cold to hurr sub Sahara Africa.

>>31167624
Different person on the running cold thing. I am the guy who posted about the not too many arctic conditions in France and Africa thing.

Uhh yea? Why would France need it? Also Sub-Saharan Africa doesn't get as cold as cold at night than it does normally for northern Norway always. Soo yea, France doesn't need to worry about that. Unless they plan on trying to invade Russia again...

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>>31167370
>>31167582
>>31167424
In case any murrican feelings are hurt, here are the results of the New Zealand service rifle replacement trials.

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Could have been the Colt Canada C7

>>31167713
>LEAF

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>>31167907
Shoo! Back to your containment board.

>>31167955
>LEAF = /pol
>Gback2reddit

>>31167955
>say that this post was written because the poster is likely to be a canadian because noone else writes this shit
>hurr durr go back to /pol/

They should have given the M4A1 a shot. The US trials actually had the M4A1 and the H&K split reliability testing (rumored, as the 2nd place rifle was't official revealed). The H&K apparently had less malfunctions overall but more major malfunctions. In other words, the M4A1 had malfunctions the operator could clear more often, but less malfunctions that needed an armorer to fix. Of course the US kept the M4A1, but the H&K was apparently very good, and better in some respects.

>>31167706
I wonder which rifle got second. I'd guess the H&K or the Colt C7. Do you know?

>>31167370
I've been saying the HK416 would win in all those threads since the beggining of the competition.
It was to be expected, the German lobby is balls deep into the decision makers of the French military, as well as in politics. There are probably several generals and MPs who shilled to the max in exchange for a paid travel with their families, a new car, etc. That's how things work in France, corruption and lobbying.

Furthermore, since the SF use it, the troops all got a hard on for it, and it has become popular in the movies and video games they like so, I guess the average grunt is jizzing in his pants right now.

As for the weapon itself, obviously it was a bad idea. Just a standard AR with a piston slapped on it, that requires removal of the handguard to disassemble, that is much heavier, and has got many proprietary parts to make sure that you can only buy spare parts from HK at a premium price. I can't even imagine the price of the guns themselves.

If you're going to go for a piston AR with proprietary parts, the Sig MCX was clearly the best choice : as light as a standard AR, has a monolithic top rail, keymod handguard that can be removed simply by pushing a pin out, has a folding stock, a barrel that can be changed by removing two screws, can switch calibers easily, was made to be ran suppressed from the beginning, has already got all the ergo improvements you would want, less expensive than HK.

Hell, a standard M4A1 style rifle with a free floating handguard and SOPMOD stock would have still been a better choice, and much cheaper.

But hey, there is saying in France for the military : they are always one war too late. Meaning that whenever they put something new into service, it is already obsolete and they'll need to buy something else in the near future to correct its shortcomings. Can't change old traditions.

>>31168112
> I, as random 4chan poster, know better than french generals, armorers and soldiers, including SF.

>>31168112
Im not french: the post

>>31168132
>Key word
French

>>31168165
Ask me how I know you have no experience in working with german and french people, let alone soldiers

>>31167370
literally everyone saw this happening

I just wish they would have adopted a rifle with a folding stock. Keeping the traditional AR buffer system was a big mistake.

>>31168164
Ah bon, je ne suis pas français maintenant ? Qu''est-ce qui se passe mon petit, j'ai blésé tes sentiments en critiquant ton arme favorite dans Call of Duty ?

>>31168132
ah yes

because the FELIN program was the best right ?
oh wait, it's actually incredibly shit
>electronic equipement can't stand heat
>cables are too fragile and can be easily broken
>don't even need to pull otut he FELIN stuff out of the box it already break
>FAMAS FELIN is actually a nightmare compared to original F1
>litterally use plastic balls as rollers for the charging handle
>FELIN bipod cost : more than 100€ ; F1 bipod cost : 15€
>FELIN equipement cost per soldiers ( including rifle ) : 27 000€
source
a friend who was 12 years in FFL as armorer

>>31167370
There is a certain logic to this choice. Just to name a few:

Germany is a neighbor and an ally so logistics are pretty much there. The rifle is a compatible with American accessories and and uses the same magazines that the M4 does meaning uniformity when operating with american forces.

There is a great thrive for both European and NATO uniformity. The scandies have went as far as replacing their national uniforms and patterns with a common Nordic one in 2020 and there are rumors about attempts at adapting one rifle for all the nordic military forces but that is going to be hard since the costs are why they are still clinging to their aging rifles currently in use.

>>31168132
>know better than french generals

lel, not that great of an achievement.

t. french

>>31168132
>implying generals know anything about guns
>implying armorers and soldiers know anything but the guns they use
>implying SF don't choose their weapons on how gucci it looks rather than their actual capabilities
>implying military acquisition is decided on factual characteristics and not on which company can give the most money under the table

Let me guess, you've never been in any military.

>>31167370
wew lad, those sights are autismo maximo

>>31167465
Give it to the Japanese. They drool over that gun.

>>31168112
>the Sig MCX was clearly the best choice
you're forgetting about one little problem: it's made in the US

>>31167688
>Why would France need it?

What if they have to deploy to Norway, or THE ALPS IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY YOU BRAINDEAD RETARD?

>>31168218
>>31168165
>French are bad
>Literally best military in Europe until WW2, where everybody got wrecked by Germany anyway except big daddy USA and SU

>>31167706
Number 6 and 7 are mismatched.

>>31168132

>French Generals knowing whats best...

You know there was a french General in WW2 who distrusted phones and radios and insisted he recieved his communications by paper or word of mouth delivered to him?

>>31168340
see
>>31167582

416 don't like cold, only comfy

>>31168324
Not an issue, as Sig Sauer in Germany could have put up a production line for it, just like they did with the Sig 516. Both the MCX and 516 had made it on the second phase of the tender.

>>31168355
Not defending his decision, but France didn't have very good encryption/safety measures/secrecy back then

>>31167582
I just remember shows on the old Miltary channel, probably one on the GSG9 or Bundeswehr, where Mack was gushing about how the 416 doesn't get hot

>>31168350
They were kind of retarded in WW1 as well.

>>31168371
They still punted Germany, forced a bullshit treaty on them, and became respected as one of the best military powers in Europe

>>31168187

SLAPPED

DOWN

>>31167465
>Press F to Pay Respects

F

>>31168371
Not really, that was just how fucked warfare at the time was, defence had a massive bonus over offence
France was by and large the main allies power in WW1 which is part of the reason BF1, among other things is fucking beyond shit already
Franco Prussian war is a real embarrassment for the French though

>>31167955
It's not a /pol/ thing, commie

Also, adieu, famous FAMAS ;_;

>>31167955
It's more of a /int/ thing, actually.

>>31168241
gebirgsjäger in bavaria

>>31168355
what im saying is that they certainly know better about what they need than some american posting on 4chan

>>31167370
In le arms de angel

>>31168537
FYI, I wrote >>31168112
and I am French. I don't know which part of that message made you think I wasn't, but you should consider suicide.

>>31168537
>what im saying is that they certainly know better about what they need than some american posting on 4chan

I doubt that. Dedicated private enthusiasts are usually more knowledgeable in any given subject then the "pros".

>>31167370

>2016
>Rifle fires brass cased cartridge

I predict America will roll out next generation G.I. rifle with next 5-10 years. Probably 5 and it'll be like as follows:

>Polymer cased telescoped cartridges (if caseless not ready)
>inter-intermediate caliber between 6mm-7mm
>Advanced durable suppressors are standard issue

>>31168591
Suppressors wont be standard issue inside the US the forces for awhile, if ever

>>31168591
More durable suppressors or not they still make the gun far more dirty quicker to be reliable for front line use.

>>31167370
The bullpup meme will die in our lifetime. We did it boys.

>>31168618
Not to mention how much hotter it makes EVERYTHING of course.

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>>31168625
>Thinking the shittiest bullpup being phased means they're dying
FAMAS was awful from the beginning and should've never been adopted, every other major bullpup had and has done better.

>>31168641
This. I'd take the fucking boat gun over a FAMAS

>>31168604
>>31168618
>>31168626

>Advanced suppressors

There are MG rated suppressors already. In time, new materials will make them light and compact enough for rifles.

You can't base reliability on current DI AR platforms since the new rifle will be built from ground up. With adjustable gas system, back pressure can be minimized.

Modern battlefields are in urban areas and suppressors would help reduce confusion when firing indoors.

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>>31168641
>>31168654
>I lived to see the day where /k/ praises the F2000 over the FAMAS

>>31168641
>Shittiest
>FAMAS
The bongpup takes that title. And the FAMAS is getting replaced by an M16 style rifle right on the heels of New Zealand getting their AUG replaced by another M16 style rifle. The bullpup meme is definitely getting put out to pasture.

>>31168672
Isn't New Zealand replacing the AUG because of cost though? I've not seen alot of complaints about actual performance compared to the FAMAS.

>>31168678
>I've not seen alot of complaints about actual performance compared to the FAMAS.
Kiwi forces don't do anything to have performance complaints.

>>31167370
>Germans are building the French's rifles now
le irony

>>31168641
The main issue with the FAMAS is that it was introduced before 1985, when SS109 became the standard NATO round and the AR15 magazine became the defacto NATO magazine.
The G2 did fix those issues, but it was way too late.

>>31168678
Cost mostly. They could have ordered newer Augs and saved on training and administration costs but I believe the request gave preference to conventional layout rifles.

>>31168112
>he doesn't know about French tanks at the beginning of World War 2

>>31168663
The boat gun is better than the FAMAS, lever delayed blowback is shit.

>>31168703
Are you implying that French tanks were the most advanced designs? In the early 30's maybe, but completely outdated by 1939. The only worthwile ones were the Char B1 Bis with its big 75mm gun and thick armor (but high fuel consumption and low autonomy and mobility made it irrelevant), and the Somua S35 with its rolled armor. But French tanks had all the same design flaws overall : typical 3 man crew, in which the commander was also the gunner, overloading him with tasks, lack of radios, weak threads, unreliable engines, many had very low powered guns and thin armor.
This is one of the many causes for the loss of the war, newer designs and improvements were planned, but as always too little too late, just like with guns and planes.

You should read about the subject sometimes, instead of trying to teach people their own history.

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>>31168663
Anyone who ever said the FAMAS is better than the F2000 on this board is fucking delusional.

>My cunt will never get issued VHS
>We'll never have bad guys aesthetics
>No evil famas cousin
>No ebin VHS joke

fucking hrvats, you should've shilled harder.
I'm dead inside now

>>31168340
I don't see you going from too many warm to cold environments when in the alps you inbred piece of shit.

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>>31169332

>>31168684
>Germans paying royalties to Americans for building our style of rifles.

Freedom master race.

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>>31169476

>>31169476
KEK no.

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>>31168575

>>31167706
Did not realize how stupid the SCAR looks with the grenade launcher attached.

>>31171017
nyet, rifle look fine

Common EU army soon.
The next decade will be very interesting.

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>>31171234
>mfw people keep forgetting about me
>mfw daddy europe prefer to let me drone in the river next door and help rapefugees instead of giving me enough stuff to be big like my friend america

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocorps

>>31167370
Who did HK pay off for that to happen?

>>31171298
everyone
>hey anthony, this german guy payed me to say good thing about their guns
>WHAT, I'M CALLING JEAN CHARLES AND THE 200 OTHERS WE WANT THAT MONEY TOO