Thoughts on M&P 15?

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Yes, great option for a full AR. You might be better off building an AR yourself though. You can buy the furniture you want instead of sticking with pre-built options.

It's like building a computer vs ordering a prebuilt. Both will work great but you'll probably save money and get more out of it if you build.

Or you can do what I did and buy a preowned but barely fired rifle in a private sale that had what I wanted already for $150 less than I would spend to build it. pic related

Yes.

It does everything a basic AR has to do.

>>31158290
Yep its its fine

stay away from that "MOE edition" though, you can get the same thing a lot cheaper through PSA

Get the Sport II

Get a Colt, dumbass.

>>31158290
nothing wrong with it.

but i seriously recommend buying each part you want separately rather than buying a gun then upgrading it piece by piece

>>31160532
I had a colt, was terrible for the price
Thank god the resell value is high because of people like you

>>31160541
>I had a colt, was terrible for the price
Ok, kid.

>then goes on to state one of the big reasons to buy a Colt.

>>31158290
Just purchased one not too long ago.

and its this
>>31158326
and
>>31160514
You can buy it stripped and add on all that green shit you see in ur photo OP for like 120$. (- mag -buis)

Put about 1500 rounds downrange this year with it so far and went to 1 prac rifle comp with it.
Good entry level ar.
works for home def
very light, was able to maneuver pretty well on the course ( i think its like 9lbs give or take)
basic cleaning and care
Zero complaints

get the sport 2 so you get the dust cover and forward assist

>>31160532
Look kids, the retard has arrived.

>>31160563
>>31160582
Can't beat a sub $900 military grade rifle far as modern rifles go.

Also kiddo the "$" goes before the currency.

>>31160556
When you're disappointed with the gun there's idiots who will pay a lot of money for it? Not a great selling point for someone who wants to keep their gun

>>31160624
>disappointed with a Colt 6920
You may be a retard.

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>>31160598
>What is FN
>What is M&P
>What is Colt no longer has the contract because they're morons

Yup. Sure thing bubba fudd.

>>31160638
>Was terrible for the price
I'd say the anon was disappointed with his purchase, thankfully there's idiots who will pay good money for a rifle that sint worth the money

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>>31160598
>>31160638
you're kinda stupid aren't you anon

Personally I would get a Chinese sks rifle, strong, reliable, and fairly accurate down range. Just my opinion though

Picked mine up a couple weeks back for $600. Couldn't beat that price
My only issue so far is that I'm already realizing I want to upgrade shit, which means spending more money.

My colt ran fine, it's just that it was $300 more than its worth
Not even that great of a rollmark honestly

>>31160541
What exactly was so terrible about it?

Please do not respond with something like "I built mah AR off of PSA parts for the same price and it was better!"

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>>31160748
But PSA parts are better than colt now

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>>31158321
>>31158290
He's right OP. I built my first ar for a little over 400$ and that includes a nice yhm melonited barrel and a good freefloat handrail.

>>31160668
>FN
>M&P
Neither are up to full mil-spec/TDP for their commercial sales, FN because they are contractually bound and S&W because they are budget rifles.
>What is Colt no longer has the contract because they're morons
Colt still owns the TDP and any they still hold contracts for M4s, they're just no longer the sole source for M4s, but the government still pays Colt royalties on any M4 they procure from another manufacturer, such as FN, and that's in effect until some time in 2020 or 2030 or something like that.

>>31160761
>(you)

>>31160781
>Disregarding the rest of S&W's product line for the Sport models.

Gotcha buddy. You really just like sucking shitty manufacturer's cock.

>>31160668
The FN15 is a commercial gun. Does not use the same parts as the military guns.

Hence why the actual Military M4s have a different State marked on them then the commercial FN15.

>>31160678
>>31160682
Ok
>>31160781
This pretty much.

I would love an actual FN made gun not the commercial shit with laser etched logos and other bs marketing.

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>>31160748
1 I didn't build my AR
2. It had mediocre fit and finish, which is literally the only reason to buy a colt over "muh PSA build" build date was June 2015

>>31160818
>Th-they still have more expensive models!
Doesn't matter.
The spec is still not TDP and even then you're now paying S&W's MSRP of $1,249 for their "serious" "non-budget" AR that isn't even spec when a 6920 of actual spec is $200 cheaper at MSRP.
I know you're probably new to this AR game and stuck in the "home brew/budget is just as good" phase, but do a little research and you'll straighten yourself out.
>>31160825
What a shame. If you've moved up to an SR then you're probably pretty well off either way.

>>31158290
Ruger AR-556 is better in every way.

>>31160917
Idk anon. Maybe the ruger was better than the sport i because lack of dust cover and forward assist, but since s&w added those, I'd say it has the edge. The ruger has such godamn tight tolerances. I could not take the pins out without a punch, even after hundreds of rounds

>>31158290
Colt 6920, Honey. She popped my cherry.

>>31160763
>I built my first ar for a little over 400$

bullshit
post parts

>>31160993
Anderson lower
Psa upper
Done

>>31160917
I heard the ruger uses some proprietary parts which would void one of the main draws of an AR.

>>31161016
It has a different gas block.

Everything "proprietary" about the rifle can be replaced.

>>31160963

I don't get the tight tolerances thing.

Some people say it makes the gun more accurate and keeps shit out of it, but others say it fucks up reliability.

Which is it?

>>31161062

>Which is it?

Both. Think about what 'tighter tolerances' means.

>>31161062
Both. There's a happy medium that you want

Build an M16A2 clone

>Aesthetics
>Fixed stock
>Carry handle
>Iron sights

>>31160556
>buying a gun with intent to resell it

Nice try ATF, you won't ruse us here

>>31160781
>Neither are up to full mil-spec/TDP for their commercial sales
>up to mil-spec
>up to
Nigger the civilian sector has moved past the shitty levels of quality that are necessary to make something milspec. Milspec meant something 5 years ago, today it ain't shit. You know what counts as milspec? Accuracy of 3 MOA. Any person buying an AR commercially would be horrified at that level of accuracy with their gun.

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>>31161184
>b-b-b-but milspec a shit

>>31161241
Not the anon you quoted but milspec is a shit aside from buffer tube threading being deeper

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Paid $880. Colt M4 6920. Worth every mutha fuckin penny. Notice only cheap crap is ever used in mass shootings. History, quality, reputation. ... poor fags stop hating. It is one of the best produced ARs out there because, guess what, they made the rifle what it is today. COLT, an American tradition.

>>31161184
>Ad hom
>Backpedal
>Change your argument
Alright, you sure sound like an expert.
Enjoy your M&P/PSA/Just as good whatever.

>>31158290
The M&P15 Sport was my first AR and it was awesome for the price. Grab a gun had it for ~$580. I dressed it up and sold it for $770.

>>31161283
k

>>31161184
>But your mil-spec is shit!
>Commercial is better!
Which is why S&W bothers to use an M4 profile barrel and dress their standard M&P up as an M4 to give the illusion of it being "mil spec" all while using weaker barrel steel, using a 1:9 twist, CAR buffers, and isn't even using a standardized/spec gas port for a carbine length gas system.
And no, that isn't the sport models, which are even bigger offenders.
>You know what counts as milspec? Accuracy of 3 MOA.
You're so delusional and incoherent that it's a joke at this point.

Look at the budget AR pleb and laugh, everyone.

>>31161241
>>31161313
>thinking that only one person can call out your retardery per thread
>that was my first post in the thread btw

>>31161301
>buying a government profile barrel
>2016

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>>31161390
It was my first and only AR. I prefer AK, but since it is the current year, i figured why not. Just shut up dumb fuck, what if I want to add a launcher or stab something with my govt baby killer? It is what I wanted, so I bought it at a resonable price. Faggot

>>31161390
>muh mallspec

>>31160908
>NEWFAG! DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING! MUH COLT

Man, your colt is shit. You know it's shit. It's overpriced shit at that.The M&P shoots better, last longer, and isn't overpriced.

Same with the FN.

Shit, at least Daniel sells their guns for what they're worth. Meanwhile you're masturbating into sub-par shit, thinking that it's worth two nickels.

>>31161469
>m4a1
>shit
K

>>31161390
Wow you must have an hbar to match your thick cock

>>31161482
You're a complete fucking dolt

>>31160514
Forget this guy. I have an MOE edition with the midlength gas and it it is fantastic. 1in8 twist with 5R rifling. I put a Vortex PST 1-4x MOA on it and my 69gr SMK handloads make single ragged hole groups at 100yds.

>>31161497
Wow great rebuttal

>>31161511
Well first off, a colt ar 15 isn't an m4a1 dipshit. Want more rebuttal?

>>31161469
You realize stores make alot of the prices right? Buying from an individual or a store that won't fuck you is a good idea too.

>>31161544
I work for a dealer.

I know dealer costs on these items.

Colt fucks dealers, and dealers fuck you.

>>31161542
99% of the same parts. Only thing different are the features to make it legal.

The Colt 6920 is the M4a1.

>>31161554
So... Colt charges what they are worth too?

>>31161563
Then so is a sport ii

>>31161571
Nope.

There's a reason we don't stock Colt. They're not worth what they charge.

Secondly, they don't seem to actually want people to sell their rifles or handguns, and don't ship them to dealers, or even their distributors. Ever.

>>31161592
There is a reason why they're bankrupt


again

>>31161592
Interesting, it seems like they don't want stupid kids to have legitimate govt weapons.

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>>31161601
That, and they overcharge for a subpar rifle, that only retards buy because "muh colt"

>>31161301

What's with people covering the manufacturer's serial number in pictures? Literal dumbass shit.

>>31161581
You seem pretty ignorant about the topic if you think a non tdp holding company is milspec.

>>31161616
Sorry man, I have used high end ARs and low end as well. The Colt is a solid medium I am not afraid to use in the woods. Worth what I paid.

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This Colt basher "Who works for a dealer"
Must love SW M&P 15 so much, he would take one up the ass.

"Muh Colt"
"Colt sucks"

ROFLMAO.

In my safe, Colt and DD side by side, in my rusty garage M&P sits in shit, where it belongs.

>>31161628
Tell me exactly what internal parts are different/inferior on the sport ii.

>>31161640
Post pics of that m&p you don't have

I'm trying to decide between a Ruger AR-556 and a Colt 6920 for my first rifle. Since I live in CA, I need to get it before the end of the year.

I was always told that Colt was basically the best off the shelf AR but this thread seems to be full of people trolling otherwise. They're full of shit, right?

Tell me about entry-level ARs, tho. People in the main thread are less helpful than trolling against Colt is in this thread.

Have thought about getting a SCAR 16 while I still can or a Noveske instead. Local shop stocks Daniel Defense, but they remind me of "pro" paintball guns and the white trust fund niggers who buy them.

>>31161609
And then we have this kind of retard.

>>31161629
Glad to see that you overpaid.

>>31161640
Got a VTAC M&P for free last year, only Smith I own at all. Use it in 3-gun because it shoots pretty good, and I'm too lazy to set it up for my can. Everything else is either old shit that I've had for a while, and have shot the shit out of it, or set up for my can. Or both. Aero, Palmetto, JP rifles. Probably a Sig M400 in a couple weeks.

>>31161668
If you're thinking about Ruger, ignore it. They suck even more than DPMS, and run about 200 more than they should be.

>>31161642
They aren't a military rifle

>>31161668
My dad got a Delton, it is a decent entry level. Pretty fun shooter. But honestly I would get a Colt if you have the money.

>>31161676
What is over paying for a Colt M4 6920? Give me an exact amount of what (you) think it is worth. Please.... I'm waiting...

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>>31161653
(you)

>>31161668
CA, you poor son of a bitch get something to fight the communists. Go with Milspec everything.

>>31161707
At most, $700.

>>31158290
Buy colt 6920
Never worry
Enjoy rollmark

>>31161726
I didn't pay too much more than that really. You realize you can buy them without furniture now for about that price?

>>31161732
I'd like to know how. Because dealer cost is almost $800.

>>31161726

Where the fuck do you live that people who sell guns can just not give a fuck about basic business practices like retail markup and sheeeit?

>>31161754
Use the Internet faggot.

https://www.slickguns.com/product/colt-le6920-oem2-ar15m4-rifle-no-furniture-73050?mobile=true

>>31161013
>built

>>31161782
"STATUS OUT OF STOCK"

Learn to read, faggot.

>>31161763
I'm saying that is what it should be sold with a markup.

>>31161469
>You know it's shit. It's overpriced shit at that.The M&P shoots better, last longer,
<citation needed>
>and isn't overpriced.
Colt Expanse 2 MSRP:
>$749
M&P Sport II MSRP"
>$739
Colt 6920 MSRP:
>$1,049
M&P15 MSRP:
>$1,249
"Overpriced."

You don't work at a gun store, you have zero insider knowledge on anything other than your closet, so quit playing.
It's good that you like your M&P, but go be butt blasted elsewhere.

>>31161782
you just linked to something out of stock

>>31161754
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/580505923

>>31161799
M&P Sport II sells for $619. We've sold them as low as $519.

6920 is a $700 gun, marketed as a $1000 gun, and bought by morons like you.

>>31160598
Not in Canadaland

>>31161799
The M&P sport actually has a treated barrel, the expanse has a basic finish on it that doesn't increase barrel life, so you'll burn through it fast if you put any rounds through it.

>>31161796
>>31161801
Just giving you fags an example of how to do an internet search.

>>31161796
>Because dealer cost is almost $800.
>"STATUS OUT OF STOCK"
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LE6920-OEM2

Always hilarious when some autist tries to pretend he's a dealer/works at a gunstore and then just shoves his own foot in his mouth proving he doesn't know shit.

>>31161799

What is the deal with the Expanse 2? Why is it cheaper than the 6920?

>>31161845
you sure showed them anon, flawless example of an internet search

>>31161822
>We've
You've never sold anything, bro, you don't work at a store. Stop pretending, it's painfully obvious you're just a booty blasted M&P owner.

>>31161870
Obviously they can't do it themselves. First thing that popped up.

>>31161857
>http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=6920
>STATUS OUT OF STOCK

Shit, you REALLY are a retard.

>>31161880
I mean, if you really want to believe that feel free. Like I said, only one I own is a VTAC I got for free last year. For, you know, selling guns.

>>31161857

So you're advising that people buy a Colt without furniture to save money? Sadly, this is only effective if you already fucking own furniture or are given it. The rest of us still have to buy the components to make the weapon usable.

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>>31158290
I decided to pick the Mossberg MMR and I'm loving it.

Similar price ranges, just get a few more perks.

>>31161864
None treated barrel, no dust cover, no forward assist, bcg and lot of other internal parts are mil spec but not made by colt internally. It's like buying a Ford vs buying a Volkswagen. Half of the parts are made by fuck knows who fuck knows where, while Volkswagen makes most of their own parts.

>>31161895
Where do you work? I will make sure to give "yall" good reviews.

>>31161936
Like I'll tell you. I'm on here to be anonymous dipshit. You can believe me or not.

>>31161943
Assholes like you are why people buy online. Why would I give my money to a know it all dick head? If you are who you say you are, anon.

>>31161960
I'm on here to be anonymous, and a know it all dickhead. You come into my store you wouldn't even be able to tell.

>>31161976
Sure I would. You are a salesman. Do you get commission?

>all these salty colt owners desperately doing damage control

>>31161976
Never trust a salesman. If they're a "good" one they don't care about ripping you off. Just do your own research and vet who you get the info from. Never trust sales people for info.

>>31162031
The truth hurts son

>>31162057
That must be why they are so shrill with their insisting that they didn't goof.

My colt was a fine rifle, but it didn't impress me for what I paid for it, and I would NEVER buy a colt 6920 ever again
It's not that the rifle is bad, it's that the price is bad

>>31162102
Where did you buy it? Also, what did you pay?

>>31162133
lgs, $850

>>31162168
Uh huh.... sure anon

>>31162168
I bought a wasr from my lgs for about $100

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>>31162177
this is what I got (minus 1 pmag)
sold it for what I paid for it (the best thing about colt lmfao)

>>31162210
2 pmags*
>>31162194
sweet dude, you know him or something?

>>31162102
>It's not that the rifle is bad, it's that the price is bad

Why are you buying guns if you can't afford them? We have a right to own weapons we can afford. Bitching that "muh not worth it" just means you have other priorities and are looking for something on the cheap.

>>31162241
It has nothing to do with how expensive it is, it has to do with cost effectiveness, and the colt is bad in that department.
Not sure why you are saying I can only afford something cheaper, I've already stated that I have had one

>>31162282
He's just salty he bought an overpriced rifle and is trying to damage control while at the same time admitting he sucks at managing his own money because he's willing to overpay for a fancy rollmark.

S&W is just plain fine. There is nothing wrong with them, and nothing outstanding either.

If you have a lead on a deal take it. You might be able to build a better rifle at the same price, but if you aren't mechanically inclined or just want a complete gun out of the box, S&W will serve you well.

Colt owners remind me of women who want diamonds instead of gemstones whose value isn't artificially inflated.

>>31162225
Traded a shitty glock 17 I ran over with my truck a few times too lol

>>31162383
Colt is good shit man. I've shot alot of different stuff. IMO Colt is one of the best out there.

>>31162210
Hey man, Colts aren't for everyone. It is an investment that you can use.

Looking for good quality <$50 quad rail for my sport II. Suggestions/links?

>>31162502
The internet.

Midwayusa.com