The Browning M2 .50 Caliber machine gun was invented towards

>>31155506
Cheap to manufacture, retard proof in function.

>>31155506
If it ain't broke . . .

>>31155520
Good sized round

>>31155506
I read the other day that the M2 was originally intended to bust Great War tanks. True?

because whatever you point it at tends to be atomized with only a single trigger squeeze, that and it just works.

>>31155506

it

just

works

>>31155506
Good

Solid

Gun.

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>>31155855
>>31155973

Crash

boom

Bang

An intruder just bashed in your front door. Why haven't you mounted an M2 on your kitchen counter yet?

>>31155506
Because it's almost exclusively used in a vehicle mounted role, ergo there has been no drive to replace a 100+ lb gun.

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>>31155506
Relevant greentext

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>>31156072
>MFW i carve SIRIUS-II on the reciever

>>31155506
You know those faggots that say
"nyet, rifle is fine"?

Same principle

>>31156072
/r/equesting the "shuttle door gunner" mars one about the M2

>>31155506
Why isn't there a semiauto or crank trigger civilian version?

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>>31155506

>>31156222

>Witnessed.

Literally the most american weapon.

It's not. It's an overweight, unreliable and faulty design compared to its counterparts

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kiA_W9-pW9Y

They plan to replace it every decade and every decade it's either the lack of funding, lobbyism or change of requirements during the competition resulting in horrible abomination. Simply put, americans cannot into machine guns and browning just sticks for the lack of decent alternative. Besides, they made a fucking lot of them.

>>31155506
It fires powerful round that wasn't phased out by NATO standardisation.

Most armies would probably still stock Maxim system MG's if it wasn't for ammo getting axed by standardisation too.

>>31156266
>Dont clean it
>Surprised when it jams

>>31156266
I see why some of these things are crew operated.

I have shot roughly 1k rounds through a ma deuce.
>TFW you get a chub after shooting your first burst
>TFW the humvee shifts forward after every burst because the M2 is rocking the whole truck backwards
>TFW the tripod breaks and rounds impact 2 meters in front of you
>TFW firing burst at tank target at 1k. Look up after burst, wait for it, wait for it, see rounds impact on the mountain side.

One of the only things I miss about the muhreens was the cool guns I got to shoot.

>>31156279
They should have rebarreled them for real fuckin' NATO

>>31156279
>comments are all about headspace & timing

>>31156309
meant for >>31156266

>>31156266
He needs someone lying next to him working that bolt handle

>>31156266
How old and worn are the .50's in service anyway? Is it the links not being properly extracted that's gumming that thing up?

Also are the browns even firing back?

>>31156304
Real fucking NATO was adopted in the 60's when almost every NATO military looked for a way to save money on basically everything. So instead of adopting new MG's and modifying the old ones they've chosen to get new ones and as for old ones - scrap and deactivate majority of them and releasing very few of them on the civilian market. Sometimes modified, I shit you not, to semi-auto.

Soviets didn't have that problem, and now, after 70 years, you can see Maxims being used in Ukraine. M2 didn't have that problem(.50BMG was made NATO standard after all) and while it's heavy - it's still good enough to mount it on vehicles so it stayed here.

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>>31156266
Not related to the Browning but staring at that magazine feed made me question what bullets Doom 4's Heavy Assault Rifle fires out of nowhere.

>>31156356
Its suppressive fire dude. The idea is so they won't

>>31156204
>why am I new
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-oversize-rifles/m3-hb-50-cal-semi-auto-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

they're just hard to get. Like all milsurp, they're built on parts kits. you can get one for south of 10 grand. or a NFA full retard for the blood of your first born.

>>31155552
The ammunition was indeed initially developed as an anti-tank round.

>>31156266

>euroshit acting like he knows anything at all

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>tfw you will never get to unload a meat grinder on infantry targets.

>>31156398
I'm not new you fag, but I did learn something today thanks to you

>>31155520
It's really neither of those. It's survived so far because there are so many of them made, it has become a self perpetuating force unto itself.

This isn't to say it's bad, because it isn't. I loved my .50 when I deployed. But I'm not blind to how dated it is.

>>31155506
>No critical design flaws.
>Heavy weight mostly made irreverent by use on vehicles.
>NATO standard caliber.
>Wide array of ammunition choices including new rounds such as SLAP.

In short there is not much room for improvement, aside from new ammunition.

>>31155506
It still lets you fire dildo sized projectiles out to 2000m without skipping a beat.

>>31156492
>Complex
>Heavy
>No recoil reduction systems
>Reliability issues
>Expensive
>Only just been modified for QCB, not standardised until 2018.

It's a very good gun, but in a straight out competition with a modern design it would lose in every conceivable category.

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>>31156246
I don't think they realized it when they wrote the song, but I'm pretty sure the whole "let freedom ring" is a reference to firing an m2 without ear pro

>capcha got the caliber wrong

>>31155506
>how is this nearly 100 year old gun so excellent at its job?
it throws 600 gr. bullets downrange with reasonable accuracy for a machine gun at a decent rate of fire. john browning was a fucking genius.

>>31155991
>Current year
>Not having an M2 mount for your La-Z-Boy

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>>31155506
The real answer? Because we have an absolute fuckton of them, we're still taking WW2 era guns with us into war because there's no real reason to manufacture any more, factories were spitting them out like they were American Mosins.

>>31156933
No question that there is room for improvement or that a new design would do better but all of of the issues you listed are, frankly, pretty minor. The two big problems of weight and cost being offset by its use as a vehicle armament and the vast legacy stocks.

>>31157244
True, but the weight and lack of recoil reduction systems does affect its versatility.
It can't be quickly and efficiently moved and crew served, it can't be mounted on particularly light vehicles.

The US armed forces is the largest and best funded military in the world, they can surely come up with a worthy replacement, the main issue is (in my mind at least) is that everyone at the top with any sort of operational experience has a doe eyed and rose tinted glasses view of the M2.

It's like the M2 is an old faithful dog, he's getting on in years and can't keep up with the young pups, you have to cut his food down into manageable pieces and sometimes his back legs seize up - but you wouldn't replace him for all the world.
That said, nothing wrong with putting him out to stud and getting a pup to take over guard duty.

I think the real thing is that it simply isn't bad at doing what it does. A 50 will still fuck up light armoured vehicles just fine, and that a requirement for a weapon of this nature continues. While we could theoretically improve on it in many ways, there are no problems with it glaring enough to justify the cost of replacement. Ergo, it stays.

Kord is 10 better than this outdated Amerilard shit.

>>31157515

Yes, yes it is. But come back when you have produced 3 million KORD guns.

>>31156933
>no recoil reduction systems
The M296 would like a word.

>>31156266
m2 work well when they have a shitload of oil. dump it in and it works great. this is how it works dry.

>>31157515
A goddamn DShK is better than M2. Anything is better than M2. Singaporean CIS 50Mg. Polish WKM-B. They could have bought license, produce either of those domestically and have efficient, light, accurate, easily maintained and reliable HMG that outclasses M2 in every conceivable way. But M2 tapes just wouldn't fit on modern machine guns and US military is never about combat efficiency.

>>31155506
Large enough to kill anything on legs or wings
Also large enough to carry a good enough payload to kill anything on legs or wings + armor

>>31157529
Can you fire the M2, shouldered on a bipod without wincing?

>>31157527
They're being produced at a faster rate and deployed at a lower level than the M2 ever has.

>>31157610
>They're being produced at a faster rate and deployed at a lower level than the M2 ever has.
>Faster rate than the M2 ever has

I dont think you understand how many M2s was produced between 1941 and 1945. Peace time production of the KORD will never reach that.

The KORD is better, but the M2 gets the job done to.

>>31157652
Forgot about that honestly, but more or less what I meant was peacetime production.

The Kord is being mass produced to replace the NSV asap because they no longer control the NSV production facilities.

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>>31157279
>it can't be mounted on particularly light vehicles
Why even post if you know nothing?

>>31157279
>it can't be mounted on particularly light vehicles.
It was mounted on fucking JEEPS without problem. Those are the lightest of the light.

>It can't be quickly and efficiently moved and crew served,
Maybe not as quickly as compared to some, but perfectly adequate. For example, the Kord is only slightly lighter, and with the tripod it's not much lighter at all. And that amount of weight won't really amount to much.

The problem is cost/benefit. There is simply not much benefit to be had for the cost of replacing them. Sure, there could be a slightly better gun, but is it really worth it?

>>31157052
>Not building your motor scooter around a quad mount.

>>31157902
>>31157934
Try firing on the move - it literally moves light vehicles and can make them hard to control.

The Kord is significantly lighter in an infantry configuration (being utilised as a GPMG/Anti Material MG) with a bipod.It can effectively be carried and crewed by two - three soldiers.

>>31158454

That's some goal post moving, vatnik

>>31156356
Most of the '50s are getting subbed out for the A1s so not that worn at all.

>>31156356
My unit had a couple of 50's that were vietnam era. Those guns were worn out pieces of shit that could hardly get through two bursts without a problem. We got them replaced with the new versions when we deployed to Afghanistan. The new ones functioned much more reliably. Not 240B level reliability but close. I feel like in 80 years we're going to be saying the same shit about the 240B.

there's little push to reduce the weight since it's a mounted gun

>>31155506
>how is this nearly 100 year old gun so excellent at its job?

It shoots boolits good at bad guys

>>31158512
That's you not understanding the context.

>>31156387
50 cal brah says so in the data pad

>>31155506
Because MADE IN MURRICA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R5A0pg4oN8

>>31156304
>>31156369
>Dat 12.7x99 NATO

>>31155520
It is not retard proof. Lose your head space and timing guage and/or dont back off the appropriate number of clicks on the barrel and it turns into a retard eraser.

>>31158992
>head spacing
Lol get with times granddad

>>31159001
The refresh isn't properly rolled out yet.

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>>31159014
>In June 2011, the Army began conversion of M2HB machine guns to M2A1s.[63] In February 2012, the Army announced that it will upgrade all 45,000 M2s to M2A1 standard.[64] The M2A1 was named one of the greatest Army inventions of 2011.[65] As of November 30, 2012, 8,300 built or converted M2A1s have been fielded by the U.S. Army.[66] The U.S. Marine Corps plans to upgrade all of their ground-mounted M2s to M2A1 standard from 2016 to 2018.[67]
8,300 so far brah, enough to fully equip a large expeditionary force and then some.

>>31159096
Of course, but it's still not done.

>>31159142
Not yet but they ARE retard proof, the marines are converting theirs.

>>31157279
>It's like the M2 is an old faithful dog, he's getting on in years and can't keep up with the young pups, you have to cut his food down into manageable pieces and sometimes his back legs seize up - but you wouldn't replace him for all the world.

;_;7

>>31156369
Why did the Soviets/Russians retain 7.62x54R anyway

>>31159254
>we manufactured a shit ton of this
>all of our guns are chambered for this
>let's keep doing this

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>>31155531
yeah but the military is all about fixing things that aren't broke.

>>31157694
The ukies got those to?

>>31158454
The whole man portable thing is quite a bit of bullshit. The ammunition weighs so much that infantry will not be able to carry a useful ammount.

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One of the most impressive properties of the 50BMG cartridge is its ballistic coefficient. It is almost perfect.

This is one of the reasons that so many long range records have been set with this cartridge. It is exceptionally stable and predictable.

>>31158740

No, you're just a fuck.

>>31156300
>go through officer basic
>first time butter bars are shooting 50 cal
>mfw we deadline three of the seven that were out there because no one at school ever maintains them or the old ammo
>one extracted the case but sheered off the case head. Case head was melted to bolt.
>one literally blew up the chamber and pieces of 50cal bolt came crumbling out.
>one failed to extract (or fire or both, can't remember) and double fed, effectively blowing up and throwing pieces of lead and copper out the barrel, totally fucking the barrel up and ripping the barrel nipple off. Mildly disappointed the barrel didn't shoot off like a speer in retrospect.

I don't even know how. Shooting 50s on the line is awesome. Well maintained its a highly reliable weapon system. I think we had the only 50s to ever malfunction. Ultimately though, this is why 2lts shouldn't be allowed to touch anything.

>>31156933
A 50 is not complex in the least. It's probably the least complex action other than a bolt action.

Literally an open bolt, a spring, and a firing pin.

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>>31160392
The M2 is a closed bolt machine gun.

>>31159593
but it's rimmed

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>>31155506
It was made by jon browning, almost all his guns hang around for nearly 100 years. He is a fucking magician.

>>31160432
rimmed cartridges make for easier extraction
especially when it's cold

like in russia

>>31160489
but having a rim makes it difficult to design magazine-fed weapons for

>>31160392
Anon, a blowback HMG is a bad idea.

>>31159702
AFAIK they have a limited number, primarily fitted out with NSVs.
That said, most of their HMGs in front line use are 14.5mm - it's a hell of a lot more effective than 12.7mm against light armour, and that's primarily what they're plinking at.

>>31160831
imagine the size of such a monstrosity

>>31160900
A set of coil overs should do the trick.

>>31158454

Try firing on the move in general, things are much harder to hit and can easily become a waste of ammo.

>>31160653

Most 762x54 weapons have either 5 or 10 round magazine, or feed from a belt.

Usually its belt fed. And although it seems unusual to pull a round out of the belt to stick it in the chamber machineguns have done this for a long time (the M2 does as well if I am correct, there's a reason the linkage is on the front end of the case).

So if you have a 200 or 1000 round magazine as a result of using a belt... is it hard to design?