45-70 vs 30-30 lever action. What is best?

.30-30 for medium and large game. .45-70 for large, dangerous game.

>>31112014
30-30 is good on up to black bear, bigger than that and you'll be better off with a 45-70.

If you find em used you can get both calibers in a Marlin for $1200 total or less so why not get both?

>>31112014
.357 Magnum

30-30 is more practical. Cheaper and you can shoot it all day long, it'll put down whatever you lob it at well enough.

45-70 is for manly men who do manly men things like hunt tyrannosaur and reload their own rounds.

.32 Winchester Special so no one else but you can feed the gun

>>31112014
Or...in the Canadian prairies 90% of farmers/hunters carry 30.06. Just saying...

>>31112014
45-70 does everything a 30-30 can do, does it better, and more. I don't think anyone is doing tons of practice with a 30-30 so the expense and recoil are not legitimate drawbacks, in my view.

How bad is the 45-70 for longer range shooting? I imagine since it isn't as round nosed it sucks at more than 50 yards.

>>31113342

Fuck awful rainbow trajectory, by 300 yards drop is measured in feet not inches.

That being said, it retains energy well, with a proper understanding of the weapons trajectory and good adjustable sights long range kill shots are possible.

If you're going lever action with old cartridges like this you want a 45-70, because they are awesome. If for some reason you bought a lever to be practical, pick a newer chambering or go 30-30. Either way you're gonna have a lot of fun heyyyy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCC8ugCAw

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>>31113342
Depends on your definition of "long range."

At 200yrds it only drops 6".

>>31113443
Pic is the trajectory of the old 405gr. Modern loads are lighter and travel 50% faster.

>>31112274
What's the star?

>>31112399
Yeah, there's no real reason to pick a .30/30 over the .45/70. Both are going to recoil like a bitch in a light gun and both will be comfortable in a proper one. Ammo is about the same cost where I'm at, maybe $5-10 dollars more for the hot .45/70 loads but they're worth it.

>>31112274
LOOK I CAN DO IT TOO

.30-30 for light recoil, ability to remove deer, and availability everywhere. .45-70 if you need to take out some bigger stuff or go to a cowboy match.