Defensive ammunition

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>>31103744
Hydra shoks? Wow welcome to the 80s.

Act like the tool making modern human you are and have a go at pic related.

>>31103759
Why fix what ain't broke?

>>31103828
Because we're fucking humans, and a mindset like yours would have kept us in the stone age.

>still splitting hairs over this
Little spoiler it doesn't fucking matter.

>>31103836
I'm just having a laugh ya salt block. I'm just saying in all fairness, that defensive ammo hasn't changed all that much through the years. I was hoping to have a civil discussion on the different options available and WHY they're better than others.

>>31103744
Speer Gold Dots, 147gr +P 9mm G2, 64gr 5.56, 230gr +P .45ACP, 85gr .380ACP

I just swapped to the G2 for 9mm to try them out.

>>31103893
My wife just bought her first .380. Any particular brand you'd reccomend?

>>31103744
17+1 9mm, RAP
Four magazines, identical load
12 fmj+5 fed hydrashok 2s up top

If five hollowpoints don't stop an assailant, then the remainder should, identical load on multiple mags mean I can top up the hp ammo or run strajght through and still have stopping power mixed into slightly better penetration

>>31103744
Currently carry 180 grain .40 Remington Golden Sabers. They feed and shoot well in my Glock 23.

>>31103931
Speer Gold Dot.

>>31103744

>Defensive Ammunition
>"I'm not short & weak. The FBI chose me for the best balance between 9mm and .45acp."

>Offensive Ammunition
>"Fortay problem solver for mah niggas."

>>31103963
Any particular reason?

>>31104014
Watch tnoutdoors9's videos on it for in details and performance, but I carry it because it performs well and it's used by the local Police Departments and Sheriff's Office.

I rarely carry my G42 anymore though, I mainly use my G43.

>>31103744
>P99 AS
Federal 9BPLE +P+ 115 gr. JHP
>P38k
Hornady Critical Defense 115 gr. FTX or Federal HST 124 gr. JHP
>Rem 870
Federal No. 2 Birdshot 2 3/4" High Velocity
>M1 Garand
Surplus M2 Ball 150 gr. AP or Remington Cor-Lokt 150 gr. SP
>Moist Nugget
Surplus Steel Core Light Ball 147 gr. FMJ
>Marlin Model 60
Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr. HP
>AR15 / C7
Lithuanian M855 Ball 62 gr. Steel Core
>SAR-3 AK
Wolf Steel Bi-Metal 55 gr. HP

All guns stay loaded and all serve different purposes I suppose.
HD I go to my AK, CC is my P38k unless I have my P99 on me for some reason.

>>31104054
Thanks, I'll check it out

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>>31103828
>Why fix what ain't broke?

Then why aren't you using 9mm FMJ's? Thank you for proving my point, dodo.

>>31103759
>use these patented over penetrators!
Hydra-shok, hornady critical duty/defense, speer gold dots, etc.

XTP matter race reporting in. Hornady ftw.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

Speer gold dots but only because when I first got my gun I asked for the employees recommendation for hollow points and he handed me those. Have yet to have an FTF with them so I keep buying them

>>31104608
Because that guy knows what's up. Gold dots are absolutely fine for self defense

>>31103931
I've heard hydrashoks are good for 380 because they penetrate more than a lot of hp's. They didn't feed well in one of my guns, however, but it was also a piece of shit

Federal HST for 9mm (147gr.) and .45 (230gr.) Right now I mainly have 55gr. wwb for my AR-15, but ideally you should look for a good hp in the 75gr. range like Hornady TAP if your barrel and wallet can handle it.

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Here are some examples of the HSTs.

>>31103744
hydra-shok ammo tech is basically obsolete. The new types of 9mm are why their reputation is improving right now. I'd stash the hydras until they're out of production collectibles and switch to another type like HSTs.

I carry Sig V-Crowns for my .40 but wouldn't for the .380 or 9mm.

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Not at home but this is my exact ammo for home defense

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>>31103759
>relying on fluid to do the damage outside of the bullets already small diameter

>>31103931
Generally ball ammo is a good choice for .380, some say .380 lacks the velocity to reliably expand hollowpoints, plus since its got a hole in it they will be lighter grained. Typically the heavier grain the better in shorter barrels. Ball ammo(fmj) is going to give .380 the penetration you need since some consider it underpowered. Also ball ammo isnt going to give you the feed issues that some hollowpoints can have. 95 or 100grn fmj works great. Or buffalobore 100grn +p hardcasts. You want the added penetration fmj or hardcast has to offer when carrying .380. My wife practices with winchester whitebox 95grn then carries 100grn +p hardcasts in her lcp

>>31104103
>P38k

post some of dat ass mayne

ITT: people who think one bullet type performs the same in different velocities and calibers

>>31103744
>Beretta 92
Cor-bon

>20" and 10.5" ar
m193

>>31103744
usually fmjs, i like my penetration

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>>31103744
speer gold dot has some pretty great rounds in most calibers.

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

Speer gold dot in .40 S&W

Go ahead and talk shit. I love .40 despite owning both 9mm and 10mm pistols.

9mm Winchester 147gr JHP.

>>31103744
Winchester PDX-1 in my pistol and I think #4 buck for the shotgun.

>>31103888
>I'm just saying in all fairness, that defensive ammo hasn't changed all that much through the years.
It's gone through immense changes in the last decade or so. Not only are the jackets and cores bonded in modern hollowpoints, but they are actually made expanded and then folded up to ensure reliable expansion.

Bullet design is the area of firearms technology that's undergoing the greatest rate of advancement at present.

>>31103744
>tfw have a couple boxes of gold dot g2 that I bought before thr shitstorm about lack of expansion

I know they redesigned the bullets, but what was the conclusion on the original design? Was it it OK out of a full size?

Couldn't decide between the two, so I have a grab bag of HSTs and Gold Dots, 124gr +P. I lead off with the HST. I can't notice a difference when shooting them, and they've both shot fine. I trust them both to bring about a successful conclusion.

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The last bullet I'll ever need

>>31103744
>CC
still waiting for the paperwork to clear
>HD
Semi auto 12 gauge with 00 buck or slugs. I don't care how much armor you wear, you're not shrugging off that much delta KE.

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>>31105149
Are you by chance the anon that had mysterious things in a jar on his desk- go to find out they were his "girlfriend's" testicles? because your wife has some real nuts.

I have an lcp and I have to load really light loads for it to be anywhere near enjoyable at the range. standard pressure ammo and that little thing wants to jump out of my hand. I don't really consider myself recoil sensitive but that little lcp is a bitch to shoot.

I carry pic related on the right because muh 650gr garbage cans.

all my 9's = 124gr +P or 124gr standard press HST's

all my .40's = 155gr and 165gr HST'S

all my .45's = 230gr +P HST'S

my .380 = 90gr XTP's

my 10mm = 150gr DT Nosler's or for innawoods, 200gr DT Hardcast Solids

147 gr HST

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I'm using Federal's Guard Dog .45.

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>>31103744

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>>31103744
Federal Premium Vital Shok
12G 2 3/4 9 pellet 00 buck in my boom stick

>>31109158
>>31103744

PDX-1 in my RUGER LCP
Hornandy Critical Defense In my P320C, G19, G43
Rem Golden Saber +P in my RIA 1911 truck pistol)
In shotguns, I just use the cheapest 00 buck, I keep standard ball in my rifles because if I am in need of a rifle shit has probably progressed beyond soft targets.

>>31103744
Federal HST 9MM 124gr +p for all general purpose except for range ammo. Expansion tests online look good, local shop sells 50rnd boxes at a decent price.

For 45 I carry Gold Dot 230gr, similar story as above.

>>31103893
Look up tests on the 9mm G2, i just swapped after seeing all the failures to expand. Just heads up

>>31103931
How much does your wife weigh?

>>31108202
That stuff fails miserably.

>>31108947
What is it.

>>31108250
At $1.50 a round

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>>31109625
It's an expanding full metal jacket type of ammo. Weird, but works great.

http://www.handgunsmag.com/ammo/review-federal-guard-dog-ammunition/

This explains better than I feel like typing.

>>31109731
Might be good if NJ ever gets CCW.

>>31109612

Initially it did. Revisions to the design and apparently all is well and right with the world.

FWIW, HST had similar problems initially. Took about a year to work the bugs out.

>>31109797
I have never seen problems with HST, and I have never seen G2 succeed.

>>31103759
Dumbass.

>>31103893
Check if you've got the latest stuff. If you bought those 350rd boxes marked "training use only," you have the old bullet design and it probably will not expand.

>>31103931
Hydrashok or Hornady XTP for hollowpoints, followed by 90gr Gold Dots.

>>31103942
Dumbass.

>>31103946
Moderately acceptable.

>>31103963
Not brain-dead.

>>31104103
For the most part a series of retarded choices from the ((((I have a P38K!!!))) guy who probably has enough money to know better.

>>31104525
>master race
Hardly.

>>31104608
Not brain-dead.

>>31104714
Not brain-dead.

>>31104746
>gets the old-tech/new-tech dichotomy
>still goes with a traditional cup-and-core JHP
So close.

>>31104783
Eh.

>>31105149
Point, but be aware of QC issues with cheap range ball.

>>31105402
Maybe.

>>31105428
No.

>>31105956
Not brain-dead.

>>31105992
Probably fine.

>>31106186
I wouldn't trust it to perform as advertised.

>>31106244
Pick one and stick with it.

>>31108250
kek

>>31108265
Most people wearing armor will burn your house down with you inside it if you shoot at them.

>>31108313
Not brain-dead.

>>31108511
Not brain-dead.

>>31108947
Unless you live somewhere where JHPs are banned, why? It's outperformed by basically everything with a hollowpoint.

>>31109158
Not brain-dead.

>>31109229
Could do better but it'll still remove meat and bone.

>>31109337
Not brain-dead.

>>31109513
Not brain-dead.

>>31109817

Back in 2006-07 it had some teething issues. Federal has made several minor tweaks to the design since then. As with many things, the first stuff off the line usually has problems.

>>31109913
>>31109513
Not brain-dead.

Thanks Brah!

>>31109913
>they'll burn yur hus dun
Good thing I can do a running dive straight out my back window and be in the water in under 30 seconds :^)

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>>31109940

kek

>>31109539
~130 why?

>>31109539
~130

>>31109539
~130

>>31109960
Hopefully lbs not Kg

Whats wrong with XTPs?
Also Amax for 308?

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>>31109913

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someone explain the red shit for me. what's the point? how does it work?

it's hornady critical defense btw

Will 124g HST in a Glock suffice or should I have got the +p or 147g version?

I am in an apartment so don't want to overpenetrate. Will the +P version cycle better than the standard?

>>31103744
>http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/handgun.aspx?id=1007

For my Five-seveN.

My company buys it for me so I can't complain. Haven't had any issues with the ammo.

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>>31103744
Ball

>>31110284
Seals in the dangerous lead toxins.

>>31110300

There's a school of thought that says +P stuff will work better when conditions are less than optimal, due to that extra bit of pressure. You're in an apartment, however, and not on Day 36 of a safari in South Africa, so that's probably not particularly relevant.

124gr HST works fine, and it's also locally available in the overpriced 20rd boxes if you're averse to ordering online. It will also punch though several walls, as will any 9mm round worth loading into your pistol for defensive purposes. Most JHPs will stay inside the body if it's a solid torso hit, and those that pass through the body will be moving significantly slower (and thus less penetrate-y).

147gr is a little better on paper (slightly bigger expansion, slightly deeper penetration), but the load you've got does everything a pistol load is supposed to do and there's really no reason to go out and spend more money unless you stumble across a good deal/were already planning on buying more JHP ammo.

>>31110284

It's supposed to prevent the hollowpoint cavity from being plugged (and thus causing a failure to expand), and it generally does that job quite well. Doesn't move Hornady's pistol ammo out of mediocre tier as far as expansion goes, however.

>>31103744
124gr hst for 9mm
9gr xtp for 380

>>31103744
Why would you use Hydra Shok when HST exists?

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>>31103744
What I use in range, Tula 9mm 115gr fmj.

>>31111648
The hydrashoks actually do better in 380acp than the hsts

>>31109913
Guard Dog here. I worry about over-penetration and missed shots, due to where I live and the places I need to carry. Plus I'm in a fairly gun unfriendly town, so every bit of legal defense will help.

>>31106082
Made expanded?

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>>31103759
>>31103836
>>31104488
>>31104746
>>31111648

Boy, if you guys don't like hydra-shock you're gonna hate me...

>>31110253
Looks like that kid's all set, he's got his ducks in a row

>>31108306
No, i'm not some freak who enjoys ladyballs/femininepenis. My wife is just a thick, sturdy woman with strong hands. I'm a very large guy, 6'7" 245lbs and i absolutely hate shooting her lcp because how it sits in my large hands, however her hands are perfect for it and fit it really well. That being said an lcp is not a 'fun range gun'. Its a carry gun. You shoot it enough to break it in, get confident with it, then grit and bare through when you have to shoot through a few mags to stay in practice.

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>>31103744
>9mm
>Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +P

>.327 Fed Mag
>Speer Gold Dot 115gr

>>31104103
>+p+
>p99as

Why would you do that?

>Hornady Critical Duty 135gr +P
is there a better 9mm round than this? It's what I CCW with in an SR9c, but I'd be willing to switch if there's anything with more stopping power out there.

>>31109731

Ive heard reports of inconsistent expansion, bullets fragmenting rather than expanding. I first saw these in a magazine over 10 years ago and they seemed perfect as FMJ rounds but it just makes me wonder if they were sweeping these failures under the carpet.

>>31103744
124 gr federal hst or hornady xtp