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you're now tasked with designing the new M4A2 rifle for the US military.
since they thought its better than replacing the A1s with w new rifle.
what do you do?
price must be below 2000$ with accessories and optics (if found necessary)
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>>31103141

I spray paint them tan, add a shoulder thing that goes up and have chris kyle's ghost advertise them on national TV. Also seel a few to the civilian market but for a fuckton of monies so we're so exclusive & shit.

Basically, H&K 416K
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>>31103141

Replace the FSB with a low-pro gas block, if I can, move it to mid-length instead of carbine position. Move the front handguard retainer to original rifle-length position. Throw in a flip-up front sight w/ rail grabber. Swap the A2 grip out for one of those "customizable" jobs with different widths, textures, etc. I think that'd do it.
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>>31103222
would you make it full auto or 3rd burst?
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>Replace carbine gas with middy
>SOPMOD stock is now standard
>Dogshit M4 profile barrel is now unneeded because of said middy gas system, so there's a bonus
>Matech BUIS is replaced by KAC's
That's really all I'd do.
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>>31103228

The A1s are already full-auto so I wouldn't bother with it. Cheaper than going back to burst after the Army already started converting all the M4s in its inventory to A1s.
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>>31103141
Only thing that really needs to be done is to have a handful of weapons in each company converted for lefties. A better tie-down system for the various sensitive item attachments would be a welcome addition as well. Otherwise it is a pretty decent firearm.
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Put the magazine behind the trigger so it can be smaller,for starters
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>>31103141
The currency "$" goes before the value you dumb, millennials.
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>>31103329
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>>31103329
but $ means dollar.
$2000 would be pronounced as "dollars two thousand"
2000$ would be "two thousand dollars"
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>>31103343
see
>>31103338
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Moar rails
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>>31103141

Realistic Changes:

>Geissele or DD free float rail 13" MLOK
>1-8x scope to supplement ACOGs and Aimpoints
>Allow soliders to choose grip and stock from approved list
>If go to midlength, then new barrel profile (expensive for fleet change). Carbine on 14.5 is fine.

Gucci Changes:

>Everyone gets HK416A5 or Mk18 Block IIs.
>Suppressors for everyone
>Elcans and S&Bs for everyone
>Quad tube NVGs for everyone
>Full auto, pew pew pew for everyone

You can't beat that.
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Realistically, throw magpul furniture, a free-float rail like dd12 and good ironsights on it and it's good to go. All your memerails like keymod or m-lok aren't tough enough for military use.
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>>31103419
>Keymod and Mlok not fit for war

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Also, do you honestly expect grunts to keep track of the little pieces; rail segments etc.?

Quad rails are tough and simple. Plus there are some offerings nowadays that arent too heavy.
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>>31103419
>All your memerails like keymod or m-lok aren't tough enough for military use.
B-but muh Magpul rep assured me M-Lok was the future! You must be lying.
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>>31103379
The average "infantryperson" is retarded and shouldn't be issued a variable power optic. Other than that bretty gud.
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I take a M4A1, remove the FSB, install a free floating DD handguard, enlarged trigger guard, B5 SOPMOD stock, Tango down pistol grip, flash suppressor with QD suppressor and done. Yeah that's basically a M4A1 SOPMOD block II. And there is no need for anything else.
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>>31103141
Give them open bolt operation while in full retard.
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>>31103270
The A1 packages my unit recieved are ambidextrious.
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18in barrel. HAMR optic, semi-cheap vert grip, brown paint if possible
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>>31103270
>ARs
>converted for lefties
Dummy
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>>31103338
>>31103343
>>31103349
Does obongocore actually teach this?
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>>31103141
really just make it ambi and call it good. Maybe swap out all old KAC quad rails for lighter weight Daniel Defense Quad Rails. I'd stick with the Aimpoint Comp M4 as the primary optic, even keep the M4 profile barrel (203's are still in use and these barrels have their place) replace all the Maytechs and KAC's with Troy rear sights. I'd keep the safe, semi, auto trigger groups. Lastly, maybe Cerekote them FDE.

Would still run them with GI mags (so long as they had anti-tilt followers). The M4A1 is a good rifle, but using lighter quad rails and making it ambi is really the only things you could do to make it better.

Basically I went for the "M4 Plus" route.
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Exactly the same as the M4A1, except no full auto/burst.

Gun owners 20 years from now will praise me for all the glorious dirt cheap milsurp.
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>>31103468
yup, the DD rails aren't much heavier than a BCM Keymod rail. That's what I suggested as well.
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>>31103141
Replace it with open bolt .50BMG submachinegun.
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>>31103876
>Gun owners 20 years from now
>20 years from the start of reign of Saint Holy Empress of The United States Hillary Clinton
>Gun owners.
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>>31103558

Give to squad leaders then. Leave retard proof Acogs and aimpoints for grunts.

I see a lot of you are preferring DD rails over Geissele? Any reason other than SOCOM has used the RIS II for years? They've also used SMRs for their 416s though. Argue away.
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>>31103952
I don't know why you think a squad leader is somehow better than average.
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>>31104087

If they can't operate a lever on a scope that makes it go zoomy in and zoomy out, then all hope is lost.
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>>31103867
See
>>31103650
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The M4A2 would just be an AK-12 desu
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>>31104177
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>>31103379
>>Allow soliders to choose grip and stock from approved list
This is retarded.

Being cheap isn't the only reason that gear is standardized. Shit can happen that breaks something on your special snowflake rifle that makes you have to grab someone else's (or it's a situation where you're just grabbing the nearest gun to you). Significant differences between the weapons can result in enough of a difference in your ability to accurately and efficiently fire that weapon that you get you and your buddies killed.
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>>31103343
In the English Language, often the descriptive, qualitative, or quantitative value comes prior to the subject.
e.g.
backstroke
top dollar
$1

If it were spoken this way, it would be literally written as "one dollar".

>>31103800
The logic behind things has been explored more since you've been in school. It literally does not matter because you understood what he meant regardless of the syntax used. Often what used to be considered "wrong" is now "acceptable".
Go be old somewhere else.
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>>31103343
>someone is actually this dumb
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>>31103867
Rail mount M320's are lighter (but bulkier) than barrel-clamp M203's.

Going to a freefloat tubular modular handguard with A2 FSP, going to a gunner profile mid-gas barrel, and swapping the stock to something like the SOPMOD will shave over a pound off the rifle.

And before someone says quadrail>modular for a military weapon, take a look at what actually goes on a fucking military rifle.
>peq15
Top rail mounted anyway
>VFG
modular attachments of all decent models already exist and are stronger than picatinny mounted
>flashlight
Modular attachments for all decent models already exist and are lighter and lower profile than picatinny mounted.

And the next argument will be "but we already make soldiers dummy-cord all that shit to the rifle because we can't trust the mounting system!"
And how's that gonna change anything? They won't trust the new mount either and will still be dummy-corded so they're still not gonna lose shit at a different rate.

Part of PCC's and PCI's are checking your fucking mounts. 99.9% of the weapon attachments that get "lost" by soldiers are taken off intentionally to be ebay'd. The only instance I've EVER heard of something coming off unintentionally, the guy whacked his M951 against a truck so hard the handguard broke.
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>>31103141
>you're now tasked with designing the new M4A2 rifle for the US military.
M4A1 Block II

>since they thought its better than replacing the A1s with w new rifle.
Acutally they scrapped their plans for the M4A1+

what do you do?
M4A1 Block II

>price must be below 2000$
Their pricing for a Block II is going to be well under $2k.

>below 2000$ with accessories and optics
Aimpoint CompM4 (M68CCO)


That was fucking easy
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>>31105082
Wow, you're fucking stupid.
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>>31105082
If shit's hit the fan badly enough you're using someone else's rifle with someone else's zero, you're probably not hitting anything past 150m anyway.

It's a nonissue.
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>>31103343
>JUST
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1.) Take M4A1
2.) replace BCG with BCM BCG
3.) Put a spikes tactical rollmark on literally every part
4.) Laser engraved dust covers that read "Don't run, you'll only die tired."
5.) cerakote safety orange
6.) Vortex Strike Eagles everywhere.
7.) pocket the other $1500 to throw it into the F-35 project or just burn in a pit somewhere. Same result.

You would see a surge in recruitment as every CS:GO and COD player enlists to use their new operator rifle.
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>>31105415
>implying zero isn't standardized across all identically-configured rifles
>implying zero is somehow subjective

wew lad
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>>31105082
... you know soldiers can add their own shit to their assigned weapon, right? I use my personal AFG and sling, my buddy uses his personal ACOG, etc.
Armorers dont care as long as you bring back what you signed for, and only super fuckboy leadership care beyond that.
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>>31103141
make it .22 so the bullets will bounce around the skull
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>>31105473
It's not.

Are you retarded?
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>>31103141
commission a new "milspec" for a free float rail and flip up sights. Retrofit all M4A1s with a low profile gas block

put out a weapons trail to decide between keymod and mlok

call it a day
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Basically just this, pretend I'd done something when in reality I just slapped some slightly different furniture on it and collect them military dollaridoo's
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Literally my exact rifle but with a giggle switch and a SOPMOD stock, as described in >>31105375
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>>31103343
>>31103338

Holy fuck you are really autistic, how old are you?
How do you not know that $ come before the value
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