Which country has the best military standard-issue rifle and

>>31101718
Have fun when it jams.

>>31101718
Germany

>>31101730
Fucking kill yourself
G36 are shit

>>31101718
Whoever is still using the G3.

>>31101744
So, what was the actual issue with em? They're replacing them right? Because they melt or lose a fuckload of accuracy when shooting a lot or something?

>>31101718
France but not anymore.

>>31101722
Found the retard

M4 would be a great gun if the USA was willing to pay to upgrade it.

>>31101744
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2E2Vw--wAM

>>31101755
>retard
I want you to go to Arlington and start yelling retard at all the gravestones, you're literally walking on the bodies on Vietnam vets by thinking its a good weapon.

>>31101718
steyr aug is slightly better than an M4 tho

Canada, Denmark & Netherlands

>>31101785
>m16a1 is the same as M4A1
eat shit niqqa

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>>31101718

>>31101792
>m16a1
>ar15 design
>m4
>ar15 design
zuuuuuuuu

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Norway.

Because HK416 > M4

Russian AK74M is good, but outdated.
Canada's C7 is very good but issued optics are old.
New Zealand's new LMTs are Gucci as hell.
South African R4 rifles are very good but they're in a sorry state now and need modernization.
Swedish Ak5C is a great gun but suffering similar to the R4 or many other nations where military isn't such a massive expenditure of tax dollars; years of issuing the same rifle over and over is beginning to really take its toll.

>>31101802
Norway has as standard-issued rifle the HK416?
NICE.... we have a winner.

>>31101744
>Believing in the scandal from the German Green Party attempt to remove H&K from thr Bundeswehr
kys

>>31101813
>HK416
>anything but a meme
lol

>>31101794
>>31101802
/thread

>>31101810
Galil ACE licenses for South Africa when? I'd love to see what type of little differences and tweaks they'd put on theirs compared to IWI

>>31101802
>>31101813
Confirmed for getting all of your gun info from video games. The 416 is meme-tier and stupid expensive for what it is. No real benefits over the M4.

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Switzerland

>>31101799
>m16a1 and m4an are the same
they are very very different, niggershit, if they had no difference, the army wouldn't upgrade from m16a1 to m4a1

>>31101785
Wow, that is by far one of the stupidest comments I've read in a while. Kudos.

>>31101840
Both on the same flawed action m8ey.

>>31101830
then why most of special forces from around the globe uses them?

>>31101810
How good is NZ new lmt? Because from what i read the army was complaining about inconsistant results past 200m and it seemed me to be a fault of the cartridge not the platform.

>>31101752
they made a test where they fired 3 30round mags in full auto

after that the g36 had 30cm deviation on 100m (an cold AK ca50cm)

but the G36 isnt a machine gun and was not constructed for firing 90rnd full auto and be still accurate

>>31101856
Aww did I trigger the tripfag?

Well, nothin of value lost.

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How can other countries even compete?

>>31101864
>but the G36 isnt a machine gun and was not constructed for firing 90rnd full auto and be still accurate
>you cant use your rifle for any kind of suppressive fire and expect it to be accurate
So I see why they're getting rid of it.

>>31101837
/this

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SA80 best service rifle ever made hth
keep memeing on nerds

>>31101840
>they are very very different,
in literally what ways homo

>>31101785
Actually it's estimated that 20,000 lives were saved by switching from the M14 to the M16.

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Norway

>>31101873
when they issued it
supressing fire was not a criterium

>>31101889
>here's no source
This is you tho.

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>>31101867
>Implying anyone cares enough about some basement dwelling virgin to get fired up.
Lol

Please, tell me of all your experience using the M4/M16 platform in austere environments.

>>31101873
>So I see why they're getting rid of it.
To keep the economy moving and money flowing through various gun companies that have no other reason to exist but have a lot of holdings? yeah.

>>31101895
Wait they actually didn't care about suppressive fire in their standard issue rifle?

>>31101904
Source?

What?

>>31101864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2E2Vw--wAM

>>31101898
>Implying anyone cares enough about some basement dwelling virgin to get fired up.
He said...as he responded? And intended to keep the conversation going? Yeesh tripfags aren't intelligent are they.

I mostly used the M14 and preferred it actually, when the rest of my squad was clearing rifles and firing inaccurately at distance, the DMs kept on trucking. Don't act like you're the only one in the military loool.

>>31101868

By not drowning when sealevels rise.

>>31101830

AR-15 with piston that keeps most of shit out of receiver. Bit more expensive to make, but that is it. In H&K brand does add to the price.

>>31101840
>if they had no difference, the army wouldn't upgrade from m16a1 to m4a1

The only difference between M16 and M4 is lenght, shorter guns are nicer when you have to run out of or into APC's, helicopters and shieet.

>>31101922
>AR-15 with piston that keeps most of shit out of receiver
And...a regular AR doesn't keep shit out of the system? You realize the gas pressure is released out the side of the BCG right?

>>31101918
>He said...as he responded?
how is responding being mad?
>not knowing who ricky is
top lel, youre out of your league nasty girl

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>still haven't adopted the C8

HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND

>>31101937
I know who he is, and his resume isn't impressive.

I mean, it may be to you but, not anyone that's actually done something.

Also I didn't say he was made, he said he didn't care about yada yada meme meme, but if he doesn't care so much, he sure seems invested as fuck kek.

>>31101906
>Wait they actually didn't care about suppressive fire in their standard issue rifle?
Probably because it was the 70s-80s and most nations figured there was still a place for machine guns, and (rightfully) figured that suppressive fire shouldn't come out of something that only holds 30 rounds in it.

>>31101950
>suppressive fire from rifles wasn't a thing in the 70's and 80's
What?

>and (rightfully) figured that suppressive fire shouldn't come out of something that only holds 30 rounds in it
>rightfully
Double wat?

>>31101946
>his resume isn't impressive.
>Guy with thousands of raids under his belt
>RRC
>Blah blah all the other cool guy shit
Nigga, I was just a grunt in 10th MTN - I'm proud of the shit I did same as you, but you're a huge jelly faggot, if you're callin his resume unimpressive. If you're gonna troll, try and do it a little more subtly. Out of this fagshit thread lel.

>>31101970
>RRC
>impressive
lol.

>HK416
enjoy the carrier tilt and destroying your over priced rifle. 416 a shit, AR platform was never designed for piston so jamming one in there will end badly in the end.

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>>31101950
>suppressive fire shouldn't come out of something that only holds 30 rounds in it.
So everyone who still has to suppress enemies with a G36 has a melted shit rifle afterwards. Clever.

>>31101898
Ricky whos your favorite 2hu?

>>31101958
>suppressive fire is done out of single M16s
you're retarded

modern infantry doctrine is to fire single shots from a large group to conserve ammo and because 20 people firing in semi is the same as one guy firing auto, but lasts a hell of a lot longer

30 rounds goes away very quickly if every guy goes full retard and dumps it towards the horizon all at once

machine guns exist and later G36es weren't made out of belgian chocolate and compacted coffee grounds anymore and began to use some kind of plastic instead

>>31101785
>he doesn't know the problem was with the gunpowder used in their ammo and not the weapon design itself

>>31101992
>suppressive fire is done out of single M16s
Whaaaaat? You can't be this fucking stupid can you? The service rifle is made to be used by any number of people in any number of roles. Yes a machine gun is better, doesn't mean you should have a fucked rifle that looses accuracy when you shoot it fast lol.

>>31101992
Tell me, oh wise anon. What happens if LMG support isn't available? What if he's busy firing elsewhere, but your fireteam still needs to advance.
What if a mortar lands on top of your machinegunner, turning him into Krautpaste and smashing his machinegun into spare parts? What if the guy's a moron, hasn't maintained his MG3 for ages and it blows up in his face? Just stay where you are and accept death because muh doctrine?

>>31101982
What units were you with and how many deployments do you have? Post some pictures

>>31102019
This is why the Nazis lost.

>>31102023
Opsec mate. It's a military term.

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>no mentions of Finland and the RK

Like, do you even try?

>>31102019
>what if all these things are unavailable and go wrong
>what if you're really really bad at your job
then you die in the sand like the animal you are, because your platoon is really really shit at their job

>>31102037
>one guy / gun is down
FUCK IT WE LOSE!

New Zealand. LMT CQB16 is a beast, hope the BAF adopts it.

>>31102033
Opsec is for faggots

>>31102050
This is why you never did anything important.

>>31102033
Never served, gotcha

>>31101932
>And...a regular AR doesn't keep shit out of the system? You realize the gas pressure is released out the side of the BCG right?

No all kinds of shit. While it is well protected from dust and mud as long as dust cover is closed, pseudo direct impingement gas system puts the residue inside chamber. If gunpowder doesn't match specification it might lead to shit like what happened in Vietnam war with AR-15. Using WWII surplus gunpowder to load ammunition for weapon designed for different gunpowder was a brilliant idea and saved a ton of money. All those servicemen who died due to M16's not working as intended in 'nam died for a good reason. Maybe a fraction of a cent per round. A valiant cause and sacrifice for freedom.

>>31101858
>most
Look up what that word means, then get back to me.
Also, marketing is a fucking thing. That's how police departments around the country got stuck with Kriss Vectors that ended up being garbage.
>>31101922
>AR-15 with piston that keeps most of shit out of receiver. Bit more expensive to make, but that is it. In H&K brand does add to the price.
Did you read that right off the brochure?

>>31102054
Okay, you show me all your pics and units lol. Like wat? I can tell you did nothing that may have required any form of clearance.

>>31102033
Telling someone what unit your with, how many deployments you have, and posting photos that don't show callsigns/sensitive equipment/etc has nothing to do with OPSEC.

You're full of shit.

>>31102037
>what if all these things are unavailable and go wrong
You die, because your military recquisitions and R&D was a bunch of slackjawed retards who think combat consists of optimal situations with full manpower and extensive maintenance on all equipment.
>what if all these things are unavailable and go wrong
Yeah, what if combat? Do you honestly think everything goes right, stuff never breaks down, people never die?

>>31102058
>http://www.slip2000.com/blog/s-w-a-t-magazine-filthy-14/
Yawn though, stop spreading myth. The gas pressure goes out the side, if it just dumped gas into the chamber the fucking thing wouldn't work. Actually google how the rifle functions please.

>>31102044
>the one guy we need to do the one thing we need done right now is refusing to do it or is doing it improperly

yeah it sounds like a situation where maybe you should retreat or something

>>31102033
>>31102064
doesnt """opsec""" literally expire as soon as the operation is over in 90% of cases
don't you not even need Secret to go abroad

>>31102061
> Kriss Vectors that ended up being garbage.
im curious, how did they end up being garbage? are they unreliable or something? too much low-grade american orbital clockwork to have a decent service life?

>>31102066
Wew lad, guess how I know YOU never served.

>>31102080
>yeah it sounds like a situation where maybe you should retreat or something
>one guy is down give up all our ground guys!
Nigger don't pretend you know anything.

>>31102019
>>31102089
>What happens if LMG support isn't available?
exactly like i said

>modern infantry doctrine is to fire single shots from a large group to conserve ammo and because 20 people firing in semi is the same as one guy firing auto, but lasts a hell of a lot longer

when you learn infantry stuff at basic, they even tell you to try to avoid being in sync with your platoon mates' shooting

if for some reason you literally can't do that, then yeah, you're too retarded to live and should get shot

>>31102080
The Kriss Vector has a very complicated firing mechanism that fouls up after about 100-150 rounds. If it has a malfunction, you have to disassemble the whole damn thing. They look cool and had great marketing.
My LGS has 10 full-auto Vectors they can't do anything withe except rent on the range. The PD ordered them and cancelled the order after they ended up being shit.

>>31102096
>rifle designed to go full auto
>heat from full auto causes accuracy to wildy deteriorate.
>pretending there's no reason to have a select fire rifle
I get all you did was basic, but basic is basic, as in, the most low level shit you will ever learn, ever in your military career.

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>>31102076
>Yawn though, stop spreading myth. The gas pressure goes out the side, if it just dumped gas into the chamber the fucking thing wouldn't work. Actually google how the rifle functions please.

Are you implying that M16 had absolutely no teething issues whatsoever in vietnam. Yes, it has always worked perfectly like a clockwork.

Literally second fucking sentence says pretty much what I implied...

>a number of factors, including propellant powder and a lack of cleaning supplies and training, led to failures on the battlefield that are still being ballyhooed by muckrakers and the unknowing

M16 that has never failed. Every implication of such lie is communist propaganda. It cannot fail under any conditions, because it's american. American things cannot fail. Go shart in a walmart.

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>>31102080
>yeah it sounds like a situation where maybe you should retreat or something
>abandon the attack, ground gained, plan of battle, rest of the platoon and escape because your machinegunner got hit

>>31102136
>Are you implying that M16 had absolutely no teething issues whatsoever in vietnam.
No, I'm implying that the people were never taught how to clean and lube the gun, AND were never issued supplies to do so.

Relax and stop running with your propaganda narrative lol.

>>31102033
>Bullshit train is coming off the rails. Listen I was in a CAB with 1st cav, and everyone knows that cav is shit, but that doesn't change that at a platoon level we still got to fuck things up. Actually since we were the only infantry platoon in a company of tankers we did quite a bit. So I call bullshit on OPSEC, you didn't do shit.

>>31102112
>>heat from full auto causes accuracy to wildy deteriorate.
welcome to literally 100% of all firearms ever

welcome to metallurgy itself

>>31102064
>>31102080
>doesnt """opsec""" literally expire as soon as the operation is over in 99.99% of cases
Yep, which is why that guy keeps struggling whenever someone asks him for pics. He just keeps talking shit and then playing secret squirrel.

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What k thinks of the aug?

>>31102170
Which is why other firearms can last far longer with minor variations when the G36 fails after 90 rounds?

Not saying it's not a problem for all firearms, saying this specific one sucks at it more than the others.

>>31102171
>>31102163
>imblying the operation ended
loool, Pogs will be pogs.

>>31102140
>hmm the guy with a belt-feeding machine gun got hit

>better not either use his gun or continue our massed volleys on semi

>nah lets all go full retard and dump all our rounds at once, that'll work and totally not leave us out to dry while we reload every 3 seconds

>>31102171
2bh i wouldnt' wanna say my unit either, a unit can be small and it can then become easy to recognize an individual once you start to get more intimate details of their job (if your department or duty or w/e is only like 15 people total, then it won't be hard to narrow it down for a dedicated doxxer (or worse, a coworker))

call me paranoid but pers-sec is important too

muh pro C material

>>31102190
>massed volleys
>when trying to attack
Do you want to sit there, or do you want to advance?

>>31102187
>Says the civilian

>>31102187
You sound a lot like a dude I knew named Juarez. Bitch was a useless MI fuckhead with delusions of grandeur. Would always take these glamour shots with his gear like he did shit that mattered. But in the end he was nothing more than a pog wannabe lazy turd.

>>31102175
Where's her AUG?
Why is the guy in the background grinning?
Why is that camo pattern so stupid looking?

>>31102145

I'm pretty sure WWII ball grain powder was an factor in issues M16 had in Vietnam. Lack of cleaning supplies must be why they have added bunch of grooves for powder residues to settle in subsequent versions of gun. Just cleaning supplies. Nothing to do with gun powder or gun design, since design was perfect from couple weeks before day one.

>>31102207
Speak for yourself?

>>31102211
>heres an anecdote
Didn't even read past Juarez, it seems like you got this story from CoD or something.

>>31102214
Hes happy hes a irrelevant country that will never go to war

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>>31102195
take guys who are covering a clearly empty sector to flank. 15 on semi is still a lot of bullets going downrange for a lot longer than everyone fixing bayonets and charging under one guy firing auto from a 30 round mag (that may already be half-empty)

>>31102233
sounds like a happy time

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>>31102218

>>31102240
>a clearly empty sector
What are you, performing COIN? Talking about actual warfare here, not killing sandniggers.

>>31102218
So you're gonna sit there and criticize me for anecdotal stories when you've done nothing but naysay with no evidence to back it up? And don't cite your experience if you're unwilling to say anything about what you did.

You're a fucking liar.

>>31102243
lol all dat werk

>>31102257
Relax pog, I know your life was cushy but you don't need to pretend no one is better than you.

I know I am.

>>31102250
>implying america has been in a war with anyone other than peasants in over 60 years

lmao even in wwii most of your attention was turned towards japanese savages and not the actually modern axis forces

and still, the doctrine doesn't really change. a guy shooting at you out of the blue is still a guy shooting at you out of the blue. if you're in some kind of pitched battle, obviously you'd have a much more involved and tailored plan of action that would account for things as obvious as "what if the guy on the machine gun violently explodes and/or panics"

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>>31101718
Because no other country opted for accuracy over ease of cleaning.
>>31101744
The G36 is fine. The entire scandal is just to circumvent export laws by reclassifying them as surplus because of muh warcrimes and liberals trying to clamp down on the German industry. I heard one literally claim the G36 to be a "600m-headshot-execution-device"...
>>31101864
Actually it was originally designed as one with a longer and heavier barrel. Against the advice of H&K the Bundeswehr insisted on a shorter pencil barrel. Pretending that it does not live up to the standards set is not only shifting the goalpost but in full blown denial of the poor decisions the Bund made knowing full well how retarded it was.
It just so happens that now they are being sold off at the expense of the taxpayer. I had a chat with some british police recently because they sported the 36k's and they love it just like they love the low price because of the "scandal".
Meanwhile our government is looking for a replacement despite H&K offering the original heavy barrel that was refused as a cheap upgrade to fix the problem and is being ignored.
>t. fun designing goy

>>31102273
>lol all dat werk
>Doesn't know how to use Chrome
Not surprised you're stupid as fuck

>>31102276
>if you're in some kind of pitched battle, obviously you'd have a much more involved and tailored plan of action that would account for things as obvious as "what if the guy on the machine gun violently explodes and/or panics"
Lol no. Simplicity is key and planning for every single contingency, as well as including it all into your orders will end with you droning on for 30 minutes for a simple attack order and none of your men will remember any of it.
Mission type tactics.

>>31101840
they're the same mechanically nigger, the m4 is prefered in closer quarters due to the fact that ITS A CARBINE. Which the M16 isn't
there's your difference. (none)

>>31102273
post your cornflake nerd

>>31102289
Relatively speaking, that's a lot of work for a fuckin 4chinz. I can feel the buttmad.

>>31102292
>in a pitched battle
>"yeah men just hit the trenches. dont worry. it'll be fine. just magdump on full auto towards the horizon"

you can stop posting anytime

>>31102295
can't you switch out the barrels on M16s to shorten them? I know the C8 is technically an M16 variant and not an M4 variant, and it's like 30cm long or something stupidly small.

>>31102276
Most armed forces are peasant-tier desu.

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>>31102305
Yes, that's totally what I said.

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It's about to be New Zealand

>>31102319
it is and you're a retard, man.

>>31101722
>HURR ITS 1966

>>31101938
IUR?

>>31102320
What's so good about it?

>>31102317
why is "peasant" such a fun word

>>31102277
Nice info thanks. But.. isn't this pic of an Airsoft guy? I ask tyus because almost every where this pic is related to German sf, but in 2008 a couple of guys in Airsoft postes very nice pics with the same gear.

>>31102064
>you haven't done what I claim to have done so therefore you can't call me out
I smell a fallacy

>>31101754
>tfw the FAMAS will never be shat on by Anglos nearly as much as other rifles because they'll never see one in their lives
It's a meme though. We'd be better off with an M4 variant. Which we'll get (except it'll be foreign...).

>>31101790
C8IUR master race reporting in

>>31102305
you can yes the only difference is the length of barrel and the solid stock and some minor features

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>>31102342
To be honest there would be no way of distinguishing a decent airshit from a real piece so sure it could very well be.
The absence of ear protection would probably be the main giveaway but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the guy is just a moron or its an photo-op to show off the free float guard, spooky gas mask and assault style ammo pouches.

>>31101937
Ricky pls

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>>31102444
Kek on the clothing. Yiu never know what's in those pouches

>>31101718
Why don't we start with a country whose standard issue is 7.62?

>>31102561
5.56 is better for infantry with embedded belt fed weapons and DMs, especially with artillery or air support on call.

7.62 is better if you dont have those resources at hand. Militaries do.

>>31101722
>my rifle has literally never jammed on me except when firing blanks from pos magazines

Clean your shit dirty bird.

>>31102561
Why not move to a Grendel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROdbEm5wqA

>>31102444
>muh assault pants lol assault style cargo pants not even a thing haha

https://www.511tactical.com/

>>31101718
Standard Issue rifles in the us are notoriously all over the place.

Ive had one issued that was amazing, but Ive had 2 or 3 that could have got me killed for one reason or another.

The weapon is old tech, and sometimes old ass shit is still floating around in inventories just waiting to ruin someones first contact with the enemy.

>>31101765
Almost all the M4s in the Army's inventory are new A1s.

>>31102561
Why not .300 memeout and our pistol caliber can be 10mememeter?

>HK offered the 416 to the US Army for the same price as the M4
>Congress refused because "muh American companies"

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>>31102630
>lol tacticool company literally invented trousers with more pockets

>>31102623
>>31102664
Because there is so goddamn much .223 left to use. I mean, like, holy shit. Switching ammo now would be like doing a Costco run the day after you did groceries at the local Wal*Mart.

>>31102679
the point is that "assault style cargo pants" are literally a thing

>>31101830
/v/ here, you sound like a sonygger defending their dear PS4 while PC's are a thinh

>HURR DURR ITS SO EXPENSIVE THE PRICE OF M416 ISNT WORTH IT WITH M4 YOU GET ONLY SLIGHTLY WORSE RIFLE


we are talking which country has the BEST standard issue rifle, not the best performance/price ratio. If you can't afford it, apply some butthurt cream over yer anus

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>BEST

>>31101722

Excellent meme friendo!

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>>31101894

>>31101749
Norway

>>31102911
Except an M416 would be like Intel shilling you kike

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>>31102777
>.223
The entire question of changing calibers is unrealistic as its based on ignoring stockpiles. Its more about efficiency and the Grendel would be the next compromise in the spirit of the .223.
>assault shit
Yeah I guess its a thing because people like you accept it as fact. No wonder everybody thinks a pistol grip tuns your semi auto into an assault rifle...

>>31103074
Point stands, you cheap nigger.

>>31101938
Nice airshit SA80.

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>>31101718
Finland.

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fuck everyone in this thread

>>31101785
Dude, you’re just trying to justify your ignorance about firearms by inciting national pride. Stop it. It won’t work here.
The M4 was not used in Vietnam. It didn’t exist then. ‘Nam ended in 1975, the M4 was adopted in 1994.

And even the M16 was a great design. It’s reputation was tarnished by other factors than the design, namely media campaigns, the powder used in the ammo, and this absolutely astonishing belief that it was a “self-cleaning” rifle and didn’t need to be maintained.

Would you blame a car if the driver never changed the oil or filled it with gas?

>>31101857
>>31101876
>>31101922
The m4 has different buffers, length of pull, different feed ramps to improve reliability, a carbine length gas system that increases the violence of action movement and the cyclic rate. They also use heavier ammunition. And a heavier profile barrel to better withstand long strings of rapid fire.
An m4 as a far cry from an m16a1.

>>31101794
>quad rail
>gas piston meme
>steel mags
>H&K

>>31102338
IDK, I see a lot of people beating off to it. LMT make great .308s, but their 5.56s are kind of untested and even if they are as good quality as the DMRs, they're still just a nice M4.

>>31101918
>implying M14 aren't shitty oversensitive DMRs that can't hold a zero worth shit

>>31102233
Why would you want to be infantry but never go to war?

>>31101810
If I remember right, the reason why they didn't replace the 74M with the 101 because they had so many 74Ms in storage or was it another reason?

>>31101718
Sweden, the AK5

>>31101718
Isn't that a carbine, not a rifle?

>>31101785
are you woman? Because you argue like a woman.

>>31107469
Carbines are rifles.

>>31102035
is this what Finnish white trash looks like?

>>31101794
>no td
FAGGOT

Italy
Arx-160+GLX-160 a best

>>31101749
india?
>>31101718
op literally dozens of country use the m16

>>31101794
literally the same gun but with an HK stamped "made in germany" on it

>>31101749
Sweden has the AK5C/D. Based on the G3

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>>31107941
The AK4 is based on the G3. The AK5 is based on the FN FNC.

The Home Guard still uses the AK4, but the professional part of the military is all AK5.

>>31101718
Kek alaska

>>31107783
Ergos are goofy. Other than that it's a brilliant rifle.
Glad to see Beretta making something relevant again.

>>31103678
A meme so good both NAVSPECWAR and CAG bought into it.

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>>31101876

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>>31107531
No, this is

>>31102044

This is literally what happened to German Infantry squads.

> Hans the MG42 is down, grenade blew Bruno and the gun apart
> All we have are 9 bolt action rifles, and the Yankees have 8 Garands and 2 BARs
> What do we do now?
> Surrender I guess

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Estonia.
But the U.S. is decades ahead.
M4 *click* Its training for drone operators.
>Be 11b see enemy *click*.
>T-800 murders kabab.
There is a method to the madness.

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>>31101830
>he thinks civilian prices are the same as military prices
some anon posted a source a while back that showed Norway paid/pays roughly 800 dollarydoos per 416

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>>31101749

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The United States.

>>31101967
Funny thign is, I've never heard anything bad about the F-88.

>>31109546
Have you ever spoken to anyone who used it?

>>31101858
They don't you retard.

>>31109517
Go Eagles.

>>31102277
Anyone know name of this gasmask or any similar ones?

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The Netherlands.

>>31101718

New Zealand if your counting the new heavy 5.56 thats standard issue.

>>31111506
>heavy 5.56
What?

>>31101749
Mexico

>>31102652

I'm talking about A1's I mean maybe upgrading the trigger to geissele one the same SOF guys use, buffer system, new stock and other small shit that would make it like it good. Or authorize soldiers to modify their shit.

>>31107531
Oh shit, sorry, i forgot /k/ only likes boys. My bad.

>>31101785
holy shit, that sounds like the old vietnam vets yelling at the VA.

>>31102170

This is the exact reason all the howitzers now have chrome rifling in the tubes. To avoid having to account wear in the tube when firing.

If you don't have chrome barrel in your rifle. You're a retard.

>>31101718
What is Israel then?

>>31101718

>rear sights all flipped down

but why?

>>31111574
>5 MOA
Fools, apparently.

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>this absolute shitshow of a thread

>>31111579
Look closer.

>>31101718
Come back to me when U.S goes back to m14

>>31111700
>Quadrupole-double

The truth is spoken

>>31111514

Theyre using a heavier projectile for greater range.

>>31102175
>>31102175
what color is the guys on the lefts gear?

>>31103065
the army sent it all to the reserves and the youth orginazation. That great feel when we got too shot away all the crates of ammo that was longer needed

>>31111743
no longer*

>>31101786
not really

>>31101722
Jesus, hopefully you clean your dick more often than your rifle

>>31101950
It's not like basic infantry tactics is based around creating fire superiority, fixing the enemy and then flanking them or anything.

The fuck do you mean the standard rifle isn't for suppressing, realistically thats 95% of its fucking job. Fix and flank, you can;t fix unless you are sending more rounds down range than they are and when the opportunity presents itself if you can't hit a man silhouette then what the fuck is the reason for having a rifle like that in the first place.

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>>31111489

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>>31101718
>Which country has the best military standard-issue rifle

Sig550

>>31112367

Memes: the rifle

>>31112367
Switzerland *

SAKO

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>>31101718
At this stage I would say New Zealand.

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IDF's Tavor is great, problem is it's still issued to mainly infantry and the likes so all others have to make due with M4 which is nice and comfy untill you need it not to jam on you.

>>31111527

>implying soldiers don't put their own stocks, grips, magnifiers, etc. when deployed.

>>31112413
have fun getting your face gassed...
o-oh wait... it's a jew rifle after all... but I seriously like Tavor's balance tho...

>>31101718
I'm French, I've shot most weapons in service in the world, whereas they were in their original select fire or civilian versions, and I own myself an AR15 amongst many other weapons. And I have no trouble admitting the AR15 is the best firearm ever made, no matter how we look at it.
Chauvinist cunts who name their national rifles out of principle need to get a clue.

>>31101938
Why bother? Maybe if your local arms industry learn from the Jews jn IWI, you could make a durable lighter steel infused polymer reciever with its design to accept normal SS109 without having to use higher pressured rounds. Call that the L85A3.

>>31111239
MCU/2AP?

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>>31111743
HV here, cool to see more HV guys online. Ag3 best rifle

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You have cute rifles, but lets get some manly stuff in here.

>>31102033
former navy here

i'm a faggot sailor and I think this defense is limp wristed and gay. burden of proof's on you, son, we don't have to prove your delusional CoD fantasies

>Everyone saying NZ ITT
I don't get it. Best I can tell its just variation of the M4. What differentiates it from all the other nonstandard M4 pattern rifles, used by countries like Canada, the Netherlands, Denmark and Taiwan?

>>31102216
What the hell are you on about? They still use the same winchester powder (WC844?) in M855 they used in M193 which was never changed in Vietnam.

The grooves on the BCG are for the forward assist, otherwise the BCG is identical to the original design.

>>31112596
>a .223 imbel
>manly

>>31101718
>5.56

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>>31112698

We have rifles for all tastes here, son.

>>31112596
>made in Brasil
>not shit

Pick only one.

>>31112742
>10.4" barrel
>7.62x51

aka "how to get 7.62x39 ballistics out of a heavier rifle, with worse ammo capacity, more muzzle blast and recoil, and less ammo carried per rifleman"

Genius!

>>31112779

7.62x51mm son, know your shit.

The IA-2 is based on the FAL, with some of its components developed with close vigilance from FN specialists, so again...know your shit.

>>31112903

lrn2 reading comprehension, shitskin.

>>31112747
>Implying IMBEL is the same as Taurus

>>31113148
It totally is, unless they're working with someone elses designs. Their FALs are fine, but they tried to make a .223 version and it was a mess of failed extractions and misfeeds. Its kind of embarrassing that an abject shithole like Mexico manages to make a functional and original indigenous rifle design, but a comparatively developed country like Brazil can only manage licensed copies without shitting the bed.

>>31113449
>Mexico shit
>Brazil developed

Just kys Trump fanboy