Why is Turkey using old Pattons instead of its Leopard 2s in

Presumably they're keeping the best equipment with the forces that are still in Turkey and can counter another coup.

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And for reference a high res picture of them from 2014 where you can see it's just the plain steel hull and turret.

>>31096359
are they digging for a mummy?

>>31096359
They, like all other Arab militarys, are shit at war.

They, like the country they are invading, are going to use their shit equipment to show the world how shit they are at war.

Meanwhile, the US and Russia will get to train their aircrews on how to effectively bomb brown people and will chest beat on how effective their ground attack sorties are.

>>31096359
Cheaper, a Patton loss against insurgents is much more manageable than an imported Leopard 2.

Same reason Russia had sent old shitty tanks in Georgia in 2008. It's enough for it, and if it gets destroyed it's not too bad since it's one less old and expensive tank to maintain.

>>31096427
>>31096418
These and against insurgents with limited AT capabilities, it's good enough.

>>31096427

Yeah I remember there were some T-62s serving as fire support vehicles.

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They're updated m60's. Nothing to scoff at.

>>31096359
because they can sweep ditches and are better in literally every way to the leopard 2

>>31096706
>updated
Literally the exact same cast steel as from the 1960s.

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>>31096359
Because they don't want to risk using their expensive Leopard 2's, they don't even have them upgraded like the Canadian and German ones to deal with mines and AT weapons.

>>31096418
>>31096448

Nothing else to say really,

I guess OP just hates M60s

>>31097331
steel was better back then, kid. when you get a little older you'll realize that grandpa knew what he was doing. and everything new sucks.

>>31096396
>militarys
Opinion disregarded

>>31096359
Because poors gonna poor.

>>31096448
IS has plenty of ATGMs and even some captured tanks
They're a lot more heavily armed than the Iraqi insurgents of the 2000s

>>31097331
Apparently NVG and laser rangefinder existed in the 60s

>>31096359
The actual reason is that the arrangement with Germany prohibits their use in South Eastern Anatolia, because they kinda support the Kurdish insurgency in Turkey and Turkey kinda wants to lick their butts. Unfortunately I couldn't find a reference to this, but I'm about 80% confident. So the reasons are probably logistical, they probably only had M60s there.

Turkey also has Sabra, which is like super improved version of M60 (at least that's what they claim), so they may also be using those in case of need. But to be honest Turkey has so many tanks and people that I don't think they care.

Also Turkish army is weirdly competent compared to general Middle Eastern tradition. But I also think that they're not going to do the actual fighting themselves, they'll probably use Syrian opposition and others as spotters and provide artillery fire and such.

Turkey keeps most of its Leopard 2's on its East/Northeast border, for obvious reasons when you think about it.

>>31096427
>Same reason Russia had sent old shitty tanks in Georgia in 2008.

Those were the units it had in the area.

>>31096448
>limited AT
>they have so many ATGMs, they're lobbing them at random fucks in the middle of nowhere

>>31096359
Diesel engine tanks csn be worked on much easier, run cheaper, and can go 24hrs without refueling. Turbine tanks need fuel every 4 hours.

When your logistics are fragile, and you have the choice, send the diesels.

>>31098307
Lurk the fuck more and learn about tanks before you post again.

>>31096396
>Turkey
>Arab

>>31098199
That's just some propaganda videos. They had some kornets and chink/iranian copy of Tow (which they got from SAA weapons' caches), but supply is running short and they only use them less and less

Even iran-made Tow copy costs about 40k each and considering iran's stance on Syria, there's no way they're selling them to sunni fighters

>>31098819
considering those "propaganda" videos sometimes top 3 or 4 a day youre full of shit there are a lot of atgms floating around and more being sent in by everyone with a stake in the war. now isis probably has the least amount of these but they still have enough kornets to seriously fuck with turkish armor if they wanted to but i dont think they want to

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>>31097211
>better in literally every way to the leopard 2
start explaining i really wanna see this thread turn into a shit show

>>31100553
>Not understanding his reference
Lurk more newfag

>>31100567
sorry i havent been in every /thg/? ive been here a few years

>>31100574
It's a meme older than you've been around. Just don't try to pretend like you're and oldfags, kid.

>>31097782

Well...

>>31098819
turky isnt there to fight isis, they are there to push the kurds east of the euphrates. Thats why isis let jarablus go without a shot fired

>>31096373

"coup"

erdogan was just playing with his toys

>>31097711
But do the Kurds?

>>31098307
>Leopard 2s run on turbines.

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>>31096359

Because of logistics and Greeks being the main threat Leopard 2's are mostly deployed in European and closer to European side of Roachistan.

M60's are good enough for whatever might appear in Syria.

>>31098819

ISIS gets their TOW's from FSA, captured from Iraq and gulf states that sponsor 'em all.

>>31100747

Turkey will make some attacks against ISIS to maintain propaganda, but probably focuses it's efforts mostly against Kurds as they are bigger threat against Roachistan.

>>31097782
>hull
>nvg and lazer range finder
Are you literally retarded?

>>31100668
really? i took someones statement at face value because i dont know all the fucking memes and im acting like an oldfag. i hope you wake up with a spider in your mouth

>>31101595
isis doesnt really get tows, the fsa and isis tend to kill each other and not really get along, what with all the killing each other.

M60A3TTS is enough for threats in Syria

Turkey has almost 2000 M60 tanks and nobody gives a fuck if some tanks are destroyed and some crew gets killed.

Turks know that any attempt to make war safe and easy will end in disaster. So they keep the best gear for harder times.

>>31097909
>The actual reason is that the arrangement with Germany prohibits their use in South Eastern Anatolia

That's a conspiracy theory. Turks deployed Leo2s on Syrian border in case SHTF.

But keeping these tanks in low milage is better.

Turks have the resolve to fight(It's an anomaly for western mind). There won't be any shortage of manpower in Turkey, the median age is 28 and they have like +20 million recruitable men so there is no problem with zerg rushing enemy with M60s

War is wedding of a Turk.

>>31096359
Because the Turks don't want random insurgents posting videos of their nice, new Leopard 2s getting blown up on liveleak. Or the Germans told them not to.

And like everyone else said, Pattons can do the job just as well there.

>>31102641
Leopard 2's are the powder puffs of tanks, never allowed out when the enemy has proper anti-tank weaponry.

They didn't need leopards to take over a barely defended border town. They weren't expecting stiff resistance.

>muh IS insurgents with TOWs etc

They only went in to stop the kurds taking over jarablus, it has nothing to do with IS

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>>31102676
It's a meme my friend.

IF SAA or Russians bring tanks out against Turks, for Sure Turks will roll out Leopard 2s.

Pic related: First Army Leo2s are deployed on Syrian border

How is Turkey's new home made tank coming along?

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>>31096359
Why does the Patton look like the Normiest of Tanks.

It's like if a child drew a tank, it has the dome shape of a patton turret.

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>>31102712
A dozen prototypes were built

Serial production of 1000 tanks will begin by 2017

Here's a more simple reason.

The units on the border are equipped with M60s.

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>>31102714
Because it was designed to be immune to 100mm APCBC rounds and other russian stuff like 122mm rounds that was used heavily at the time the M60A1 was designed.

>a child drew a tank
Well that must have been a very smart child to understand how to design turrets to deflect russian tank rounds.

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>>31096359
Given that they can survive frontal hits from Kornets, they might not see the need to get the bigger tanks involved.

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>>31096396
>Turkey
>Arab
>militarys

KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK

>>31096396
>shit at war.
Exteremerely uneducated opinion discarded.