RS-28 Sarmat

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>>31087197

Here we go. Nuclear combat, toe to toe with the Rooskies.

We're planning on updating our ICBMs too.

>>31087197
Because the KGB and its successors have only ever encouraged protests against US nukes.

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>These retards are trying to upset the balance of power and start a new nuclear arms race.

Fucking finally.

>>31087197
Because, given russian history, they'll make a demo video and do a press release and call it a day.

>>31087197

I don't see the purpose of land-based MIRV's.

>>31087411
Obama should really launch a massive nuclear first strike on his last day of office.

>>31087197
How well did that work for them last time?

It really makes me sad that USA dismantled the Peacekeeper, the most bad ass ICBM USA ever produced.

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>>31087197
>RS-28 Sarmat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

> it was heralded by the Russian military as a response to the U.S. Prompt Global Strike

The US develops precision guidance of such
high quality that they can deliver conventional warheads with high accuracy, anywhere in the world, on short notice, via ICBM.

Basically repurposing Cold War concepts to deliver next-gen smart bombs. And it's only really feasible if you have the precision guidance part.

> Russia responds by announcing a bigger Cold War nuke bus.

Goddammit, Ivan.

Why is there no protest against US missile shield in Europe?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=09GBjzxYymQ

>>31087197
>10 tons throw-weight
>100 tons
P-pottery!

>>31089234
Countries should be given the right to defend themselves. And it is our duty as patriotic Americans to defend free nations.

>>31088416

Doesn't seem prudent to use a ballistic missile to throw conventional weapons, considering they all look like nukes to those that are watching/have nukes themselves.

Seems like an easy way to start MAD.

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>>31088333
Because cracking the mantle of our planet isn't safe.

>>31089340
10%. Minuteman-III has 9%. Also RS-28 Sarmat has better delta-V and could be launched to USA over the north or south pole. Say hi to ballistic missiles defense in Europe.

>>31089363
Yep. Which is why PGS never went anywhere. Didn't stop the Russians from doubling down on MAD for some reason.

>>31087197
How is it upsetting the balance? Its a replacement for R-36, nothing less, nothing more.

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>>31087197
>>can deliver 50 megatons total

Do they intend to make Tsar Bomba and load a few as a few final fuck you shots? Even though they don't make military strike sense its a hell of a psychological intimidation.

>>31087984
When compared to the US, Russian nuclear arsenal is actually in a very good shape. Both regarding testing of new warheads, and modernization of key elements of the deterrence.

Russia is three submarines deep into its new SSBN class, while Americans are zero submarines deep into Ohio replacement program - they're just in the discussion how to fund it.
The Bulava ICBM has warheads capable of maneuvering to counter any anti-missile defenses while the US still relies on outdated garbage like Tridents for their nuclear capability.
If you look at the big picture, Russia actually has the number of running programs in missile delivery, both strategic and substrategic, almost rivaling those of the Soviet Union.

Then there is successful test of truly apocalyptic YU-71. Unlike Chinese and Russian gliders, Boeing's AHW is still very much in the research & development phase.
And then there is chthonic shit like Status-6. Which you hope to be bogus, elsewise it's too scary to live on the same planet with sick fucks who invented it.

Makes sense given the stance NATO and the US in particular have taken towards Russia since the collapse of the USSR.

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>>31089352
>Germany/Turkey
>free
laughingoppressors.tiff

>>31089944
You obviously don't understand the concept of MIRV

>>31089551
>from doubling down on MAD for some reason.
Missile defence maybe?

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>>31089352
US defending free nations......

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>>31089944
GG USA

>>31090418
Fuck off, commie.

>>31087197
Russia is incapable of stopping anything currently in the US arsenal. Building a super duper rocket when the old ones does the job just fine is a waste of money.

>>31087197
Rooskies didn't tell us it also looks like black vibrator

>>31087197
>upset the balance of power
>US can kick out 90% of Russian nuclear arsenal in few minutes and shoot down the rest with SM-3
>All Russian population and industry concentrated in few places that can be easily nuked
>balance
It's not balance, it's total US domination in first strike ability.

>>31090257
That last paragraph, I love your writing style. Not even homo.

>>31090465
>commie

USSR is no more since 1991 grandpa - go take your daily bloodpressure test

>>31090658
kek

>>31090658
Apparently Putin didn't get the memo.

>>31087197
>implying the cold war ever ended or will ever end

>>31087197
>These retards are trying to upset the balance of power and start a new nuclear arms race.

The balance of power is definitely not their favor for 25 years.
But then again i dont think they would stand much chance with NATO and US ganging up on them so all thats left is their own sampson option. And looks like they are perfectly fine with it.
>>31090581
If that bullshit you just wrote with shooting down all of their nukes and them not shooting down any of your nukes had any truth in it, russians would get nuked long time ago.

>>31089410
i highly doubt they are even remotely strong enough to do that, vulcans probably did much worse than them to earth's crust. You underestimate how thick the earth's crust is and how shallow blast craters created by vast explosions are

>>31088416
You're disseminating. See the video in:
>>31089234
The ABM treaty was an actual treaty, while START II was a set of proposals that never went anywhere. Also Russia probably needs to update her ICBMs on maintenance and lifetime issues alone anyways.

>>31087411

Finally. Hopefully U.S. gets nuked off the face of the earth soon. Fucking cancer.

>>31087197

Nobody is supprised. They openly stated that they will develop new missiles if the US continiues to build its missile defence in Romania and Poland.

They do not have the economy or political possibility to build a missile defence system close to US borders (such as cuba) so they opted for developing more advanced missiles.

>>31089352
While I agree with this, the US would probably be pretty upset if something like that appered in Cuba.

>>31090486
>Russia is incapable of stopping anything currently in the US arsenal

Except all your planes, all your ships and all your cruise missiles, and all your ICBMs which are all outdated cz all the money is going to the F35 which can be picked up on 70+ year old radars.

I'd put my trust in russian SAMs everytime over american SAMs.

>>31087197
Because nothing in it is new. Decoy entry vehicles have been around since the 70s, range and speed don't matter and there were missiles with more throw weight in the 70s and 80s.

If Russia finally fixed their accuracy problems, it'd be a bigger destabilizer tbqh

>>31089497
>South Pole

You know nothing of FOBS, get out.

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>>31090747
>F35 which can be picked up on 70+ year old radars.

>>31090756
>If Russia finally fixed their accuracy problems
500m for R36M, much less for RT-2PM/2 and RS-24. I, personally, do not see a lot of accuracy problems here.

>>31090756
>accuracy
>Strategic nuclear weapon.

>>31090780
500m is awful when the very first version of the Minuteman 3 is less than 200m and shit like the MX had a 50m CEP.

>>31090782
The lower the CEP, the less yield you need for destruction of hardened targets. Lower yield generally means that you need less weight. Less weight = more available throw weight for either more re-entry vehicles or decoys. It also means a smaller missile which directly translates into less maintenance required.

Do we really need Oppenheimer to come along and explain all of this yet again for the umpteenth time?

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How long before Russia and the US stop making excuses and leave the old INF Treaty? Come on! I know both want to get rid of it because China and other players not members of the treaty.

>>31090976
>500m is awful when the very first version of the Minuteman 3 is less than 200m
First of all no, it is not 200m, it is "between 200 and 250m". Second is no, the difference is not that big. Third is that R-36M is quite an old missile, R-36M2 is 220m. Fourth is that you should keep in mind the fundamental difference between Minuteman and R-36M, destroying hardened targets with massive 10-MIRV ICBM is kinda dumb, you use single warheads for that, they are both more accurate and more powerful.

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>>31091033
>you use single warheads for that, they are both more accurate and more powerful.

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Are the Russian ABM nuclear armed?

>>31090697
>disseminate
spread or disperse (something, especially information) widely.
"health authorities should foster good practice by disseminating information"

Perhaps you meant
dissimulate verb. °To practise deception by concealment or omission or by feigning a false appearance. °To hide or disguise by adopting a false appearance.

>>31091040
What? SS-18 mod5, you know, 8 megatons.

>>31091049

The ones surrounding Moscow are.

>>31091049
anime? i really hope it's good

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>>31091061
>thinking only a deep digger is going to be able to knock out hardened structures
>thinking that a single warhead is magically more accurate due to being a single entry vehicle

>>31091009
Not much point for US to do it, i doubt installing missiles in Europe will be a good idea in current situation. I am sure russians can install nukes on Iskanders and other stuff in no time.

>>31091091
No, i think a bigger warhead is more likely to knock out a hardened structure since it is, you know, more powerful. And it is definitely more accurate, since warhead dispersion phase affects accuracy.

>>31089234
>Why is there no protest against US missile shield in Europe?
there are protests in every country that's involved. but they probably never reached US media

>>31091095
here's a reminder: cuban crisis was caused by USA, when they places nuclear missiles in Turkey, right next to Soviet borders.

>>31091049
No data. Service time of missile suppose to be over. They do build a new missile system. What they have now in silos is unknown.

>>31090771
american ˝˝˝˝˝˝˝˝˝˝˝stealth¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ aircraft got downed by fucking serbs and 50s tech

>>31090257
>Ohio replacement program - they're just in the discussion how to fund it.
Proofs?

>>31091289
He's being a retard.

The oldest SSBN Ohio class was commissioned in 1984.

The NEWEST Delta III class SSBN was made in 1982 and the newest IV from 1990.

The reason why the Borei Class came about was that 1, the Typhoon was a failure despite it's impressive specs and 2, the Delta classes were at the end of their life and needed replaced or undergo a RCOH to remain in service.

It's a completely retarded comparison.

>>31089944
50 mt total, as in multiple warhead adding up to 50 mt, not 50 mt in one warhead. I mean they could ...

>>31091420
>the Typhoon was a failure despite it's impressive specs
Why tho

>>31091282
In a one in a million shot where the USAF was being full retard, and it was only one of how many F117 flights?

>>31087197
Russia is pure.

>>31091707
Extraordinarily expensive. According to Gorbachev, the construction of them alone took up more than 30% of the defense budget at the time.

>>31090722
>this
Putin has said that Russia intends to keep the geopolitical balance of power equal by fielding more advanced offensive nukes in response to America's decision to place more defensive ABM and tactical sites in Poland and eastern Europe. This is because russia has neither the technology nor the funding to put research in to ABM's. Their strategy is to go all economic attrition on the US to maintain the geopolitical status quo since ABMs are exponentially more expensive to manufacture and use than ICBMs

>>31091095
german here, you americans can have your nukes back any time.
in other words, there are hundreds of us nukes in germany already, not counting the nato nukes (witch are under us command) in france and GB

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>>31088078
this

>>31087197
lol who cares about russia

>>31091049
They have both types of warheads.

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>>31090976
>the less yield you need for destruction of hardened targets.
>destroying hardened targets when you can roast ameracoraches

>>31087197

Because US, and everyone else is doing the same.

>>31087197
Because No matter how good that is at blowing up America. America is smart enough to know that all the money going into that is not money going into systems that would actually be used.

This thing is for going through an abm protected target area.

But Americans is not willing to spend money on ABM in the scale necessary to even put a significant dent in the russian missile spam

We know that they could blow us up if then wanted. We know it would take niegh untold trillions of dollars to make a sheild that would actually be effective verus the current russian arsenal. Let alone this monster.

We use abm against shitstains like the Norks.

But russia is using our megar deployment as an excuse to modernize their ICBMs

we dont care. All the money they spend on this is less Armatas or 5th gen fighters which would be much more scary to us than a billion ruple hole in the ground.

>>31091819
>Their strategy is to go all economic attrition on the US

Had me going until here.

>>31092368
>wasting throw weight on countervalue

Absolutely disgusting.

>>31092464
Yes it is. For you. Americaroaches piss their pants and back off at one thought that their suburbia could be touched. It is not "bomb sandnigers without retaliation game" anymore.

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>>31092533
Is this really the best you've got?

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>>31092565

>>31090747
>all these vatnik delusions
With the triad of stealth, decoys and jammers, there is nothing russia can do to stop penetration of your airspace.
The ICBMs may be outdated but you can't stop them in an case, the A-135 was a complete failure and A-235 might as well exist as a drawing on a napkin at this point.

>>31090703
>can't handle all the freedom we emit on a daily basis
Stay buttmad, Europoor/Slav/Tuskan raider.

>>31087197
>Why aren't protests being lodged against Russias new ICBM?
Russia isn't seen as a threat by communist allied organizations.

>These retards are trying to upset the balance of power and start a new nuclear arms race.
Not really.
>start ABM program
>other guy makes faster weapon
>r-russia's starting a nuclear arms race!

>>31089363
>Doesn't seem prudent to use a ballistic missile to throw conventional weapons, considering they all look like nukes to those that are watching/have nukes themselves.
Incorrect. Nobody is going to start a nuclear exchange over a single launch signature. Especially not when the missile is headed for a direction other than Russia's own missiles or C&C.

Your assertion smells like the "if you shoot a DF-21D at out carriers we a nuke you!" retarded-ass dumbshit teenage power fantasy.

Why doesn't Russia (and every other nation that is not America) just gives up and cedes complete control to the US?
It would be much easier

>>31091055
dissemble
gerund or present participle: dissembling

conceal or disguise one's true feelings or beliefs.

>>31091872
Ah, Chancellor Merkel, very good of you to weigh in on this conversation and respond for the entirety of the German People.

Oh...wait. You are not Chancellor Merkel?

Well then, that changes everything.

You can fuck off right this way Sir.

>>31089551
It's because for Russia, any war on their soil would be grounds for MAD, or at least nuclear strikes on military targets (carrier groups, etc).

>>31090257
>If you look at the big picture, Russia actually has the number of running programs in missile delivery, both strategic and substrategic, almost rivaling those of the Soviet Union.

this is because they need it.

the us can sit pretty right now and still have a larger functional arsenal than russia, which seems to escape you.

>>31094611
>Nobody is going to start a nuclear exchange over a single launch signature.

so how much time do you have to sit around and make that decision

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>>31087233
>underrated post
>33 checked

>>31090658
is commie not a word anymore?

>>31091095
It actually makes sense for the US to deploy mobile IRBM's in SK and Japan.

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>>31100683

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>>31087197
>up to 15 MIRVs

Never going to be deployed in such configuration unless arms reduction treaties collapse completely. Majority of re-entry vehicles will be hard decoys, not real ones as real ones would fuck their limits sideways, unless they will build only handful of missiles.

>can deliver 50 megatons total

You are a funny guy. I'll doubt Russian will up their yields from current generation of warheads.

>>31090257
>Russia is three submarines deep into its new SSBN class, while Americans are zero submarines deep into Ohio replacement program

Americans continued building Ohios into 90's. Russian modernization programs were on hold for 15 years due to lack of funds.

>The Bulava ICBM has warheads capable of maneuvering to counter any anti-missile defenses while the US still relies on outdated garbage like Tridents for their nuclear capability.
>outdated garbage like Tridents

Nigga please. Tridents have been maintained and upgraded constantly and it's pretty safe to assume that it is at least at parity with Russian SLBM's, if not more advanced and at minimum more reliable delivery system with more reliable support systems. During Cold War commies were way behind west in solid fuel rockets.

>If you look at the big picture, Russia actually has the number of running programs in missile delivery, both strategic and substrategic, almost rivaling those of the Soviet Union.

US nuclear deterrence has one huge problem. Ground based component being old as fuck. Minuteman has been maintained, but not properly updated to save money and due to that it relies on 70's computer hardware. Replacement is way too far away from being deployed as it's not even at full scale development as far as I know. US made huge mistake in retiring Peacekeeper in aftermath of Cold War and nuclear disarmament. It was retarded as fuck to retire most advanced missile in inventory, especially when it's derivatives are being produced as space launchers.

>>31091147
USA was safeguarding Turkey. It was not an aggressive stance. Soviets were the offensive ones.

>>31101424
>USA was safeguarding Turkey. It was not an aggressive stance. Soviets were the offensive ones.

No. US was getting a good deal of Ukraine, southern Russia and other Soviet states like Georgia under reach of their missiles. If it would have been defensive deployment, it would have been only short range missiles. No difference what so ever to deploying medium range missiles to Cuba as those were there purely to deter US invasion of Cuba.

>>31087197
>implying complete american domination is "balance of power"
Cope.

>>31090674
>Putin
>commie

>>31101438
>Invasion of Cuba
You must be a commie

>>31101513

I think there isn't much difference between commie Georgia and nigger Georgia being added to shit that can be nuked with short range missiles.

>>31087197
In my opinion the only one responsible for upsetting the balance of power has been American neo cons and neolibs starting from Bill Clinton

>send the country down the shitter for the possibility of fighting a war in which you have everything to lose and nothing to gain but revenge

>let's just keep building weapons that will never be employed.

I sometimes hear, "but what if an asteoroid was on a collision course with Earth?"

Could these even be launched outside of Earth's atmosphere without requiring months of work?

>>31090747
This is what vatniks belive

>>31101637
Nah, but we could just throw a nuke onto one of earths heavy lifters.

>>31101424
I'l keep this one right next to "USA won the Vietnam war"

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>the slavs are getting baited into spending themselves towards collapse for the 2nd time

>>31087197
Because they dotn exist

>>31087197
>Does not violate any treaty.
>Replacing warheads on aging ICBMs at a 1/1 ratio.
>Production is bellow replacement rates.
>US already started its own ICBM replacement program.
Literally fine.

The fact it carries so many warheads is somewhat troubling from a stability standpoint but is due to Russia wanting to maintain deployed warhead levels as old missiles age out without having to spend money on lots of new missiles. The only way to do cram even more warheads on a bigger missile. The solution to the stability problem would be a new strategic arms treaty further lowering the number of deployed strategic warheads, given the current political climate and the fact New START is still in the implementation process that is not going to happen for a while.

>>31105481

Problem with reduced number of missiles loaded with even more warheads is the fact that deterrence becomes more vulnerable as it's easier to destroy on the ground. Less missiles probably doesn't even save much money as huge part of program costs goes to R&D.

Problem with new treaty with less warheads is credibility of deterrence as ABM systems become better. That leads to nuclear war being more likely as first strike becomes viable option.

Getting reliably around ABM systems requires bigger missiles. Because re-entry vehicles need to separate from bus earlier to prevent mid-course interception and also more soft decoys is always a good thing. To get around terminal phase interception rv-need to be able to maneuver and hard decoys to provide saturation to ABM system.

>>31091790
>According to Gorbachev
One of the shittiest source you can imagine.
>>31091009
It will lead to arms race where US has all
trumps

>>31107033
>One of the shittiest source you can imagine.

Guy was economist and ran the country. He probably didn't give a fuck about details. I think whole submarine fleet probably took 30% of defense budget.

>>31107033
>>It will lead to arms race where US has all

>U.S
>Being able to build a decent missile that isn't a generation behind once its put into production
>Ever

Shiggy diggy.

>>31111916

Russia still doesn't have SLBM even close to as reliable as Trident.