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>>31073409
what are their backgrounds?

>>31073420
Shoigu is not an officer. Never served in the army.
So actually the Vatnik Strong image is kinda pathetic behind the facade. Just like Russia.

>>31073420
the russian is a lapdog from siberia, no military service; has no idea what he's doing

the yuro females actually have served in the military

fukkin vatniks lmao

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>>31073409
Your b8 image a shit. Posting superior b8 image

>>31073448
>the yuro females actually have served in the military

That's bs

>>31073409
This is obvious bait - but shitposting aside a minister of defense should have served or at least have some background in the military.

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>Civvies in the DoD/MoD

Discuss.

>>31073409
Russia has a WEEABOO has a defense minister

>>31073459
the Swedish one has apparently been out of office as minister of defense since 2014

here is her military bio tho
>"Enström was commissioned as an officer in 1987, passed the Royal War College (Kungliga Krigshögskolan) Public Course in 1988, and its higher course in 1993. She currently holds the rank of captain in the Swedish Amphibious Corps. She has been a member of the City Council of Vaxholm since 1994 and was chairman of the council from 2002 to 2006."

Sorry to burst your bubble Vitaly, back to the breadline

>>31073448
That's at least not true for the German - she's a typical career politician and before her current office was minister of several other offices (family, youth, social affairs).

>>31073463
The military should be under civilian control. That kinda erodes that.

>>31073496
Ursula has for sure never served since she is so old. So that makes the statement false. Better luck next time or choose your words more accurately.

>>31073505
I agree on that. But to have some insight on the daily life of your soldiers is also valuable.
IMO a former conscript or low ranked NCO would make a better MoD than some career politician that moves from one office to the next.

>>31073535
sorry my mistake, let me correct myself

out of the 4 yuro females and 1 vatnik, The female Swedish MoD has more military experience than the vatnik and rest of the females combined

Honestly it's good that European defence ministers are women. Europeans start most of the wars, so maybe women will be more peaceful.

>>31073487
He might be one of the reasons the Cuba crisis didn't escalate into the 3rd world war - that's a plus for me.

>>31073550
I guess that really depends how on how much political maneuvering the DoD gets up to.

>>31073565
thats the problem though

they are so peaceful, when ISIS declares war on them, they take it as a sign that they need to be more welcoming and multicultural

>>31073487
civvies in dod/mod are a sign that your country is not a 3rd world dictatorship

>>31073565
>Hillary

>>31073565
I think the US has started more wars since 1950 than all of Europe combined - but you are trolling anyway.

>>31073565
Our female MoD brought us shower curtains and bathroom stalls.
Worth. At least know you can go have a fap in privacy.

>>31073443
top kek shlomo mr soros deposited 0.02 cents in to your account

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>>31073649
Why don't you volunteer in DNR.
Fight for your pathetic country.
Trolling won't make any difference.

>>31073608
You know history doesn't stop at 1900. Have you seen the 1700 and 1800's anon? King's would waste thousands of their countrymen over small disputes.

They needed "IT AINT ME" playing for real

>>31073409
You don't even know anything about Sergey Shoygu, do you?

>>31073649
you cant even afford that .02 cents Boris

>>31073670
Sure, and if we add Greek and Roman history we have 3000 years of fighting wars.

But what's your point? A continent with a much longer history has fought more battles than one that either wasn't inhabited or hasn't any written history?

>>31073608
>US starts proxy and police action wars since Korea.
>Europeans start the two bloodiest was in human history.

>>31073801
Don't worry - the day Trump starts WW3 because some Chinese official made a joke about his tiny hands is your oportunity to catch up.

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>>31073463

Shoygu almost single-handedly -created- a paramilitary force, unrelated to army. He started off with ~500 men in 1991, a task force for ecological and technological disasters, like chernobyl, earthquakes, plane crashes in remote region. The task force was supposed to be rapid deployment small medical-engineer force - but it has grown into a Ministry over 25 years. Ask any russian, he will answer that this ministry is the one and only that is actually functional and reliable to any degree (i.e. not a bunch of corrupt fucks).

<- you are looking at paramedics+Shoygu+25 years here, basically.

>>31073739
>Implying
The Brits are blood thirsty as fuck considering the colonies they had to quell

>>31073550
you do know that minister of defences duties are pretty much predominately just securing enough finances for the department right

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>>31073409
>no Poland
FOR SHAME

>>31073608
You're an idiot.

>>31073824
Actually would the russkies side with China or the US in a china-america war?

That one is old, Swedens current defence minister is a fat bald man

>>31074040
Got a pic?

>>31073505
No. Civilians should be under military control.

>>31073958
Sure, same as for any other minister. But e.g. the minister of finance usually has some background in economics whereas it seems that the MoD can be given to anyone.

>>31074056
Sure, but in the practice the knowledge of the department is second to your ability of actually running it efficiently (that is securing contacts and having personal relationships).

It's obviously an advantage, but not a major one. Czech minister of defence is a former actor with some experience as a diplomat and and he does pretty decent job.

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>>31073409
From Wikipedia on the german one.

"A doctor by profession, she previously also served as the Minister of Labour and Social Affairs from 2009 to 2013 and as the Minister of Senior Citizens, Women and Youth from 2005 to 2009. She has sometimes been suggested as a possible future successor to Chancellor Angela Merkel due to personal loyalty to the Chancellor and her 'political instinct'."

Oh boy, that's just what we need in a defence minister.

>>31074030
I suppose they would wait to see if the winning side is weakened enough and then go all in.

>>31073409
>discuss
Indeed, let's discuss how today has been one /pol/ thread after another. And now that they've seemingly exhausted the race-baiting they've switched over to the "hurr women!" shit.

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>civilian made this

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>this is totally not an army guys, it was made by a civilian

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>im srs, no army background

>>31074078
Well, I suppose that's good luck for the Czechs. The track record of the German and Austrian ministers in the last couple of years was less than stellar...

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>this all-domestic use BTR can't possibly accomodate a crowd-control machinegun anymore
>call 911 if you need one

>>31073455
>>31073992

please don't post our mental case of a MoD, this person needs professional psychiatric assistance, not your laughter.

t. Pole

>>31074138
It all depends on the individual. All I am trying to say is that previous military experience is just a minor advantage.

Not to mention the entire 'civilian should have oversight of the military' thing but i suppose thats not an issue in western countries where militaries do not work as independent power bodies entirely detached from the governmental structure.

>>31074125
>That oiled shiny plum fruniture magazine
Muh dick

>>31074141
How bad is he?

>>31073496
Has she been in combat?

>>31074223
He made a comment on a hoax document about Jewish plans for world domination, saying it could be real. Ever since then he's been under media scrutiny.

Kinda like Trumps comment about blocking muslim immigration.

>>31074223
bad enough

>>31074044
Google Peter Hultqvist.

>>31074304
I never said he shouldn't. My point is that one comment was made that was poorly recieved by the media and since then they are committed to taking out of context quotes to reinforce the negative image they made in the first place.

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>>31074051
Shouldn't they be under each other's control?

I mean, it's not really 69ing without roadkill BBQ afterward.

>>31074349
civilians under military control means something is wrong in your country

>>31074223
"paranoid fuck with a death wish" bad

(one good thing about him - at least he's a Pole, the previous minister was a filthy hohol scum)

>>31074251
>Kinda like Trumps comment about blocking muslim immigration.
Jimy Carter did it against the Iranians during the hostage crisis, Obama did it against the Afghans and Iraqis during the war. Our presidents have the power to ban certain groups of migrants for any reason what so ever.
>https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

>(f) Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.

>>31074373
Regard my reply to your comment that was struck.
>>31074317

>>31074251
>>31074251
But trump Is right to try and control Muslim immigration.

>>31073487
He made the ford falcon.

That makes him acceptable in my book.

>>31074469
You got some kinda reading comprehension problem?
>>31074317

>>31074481
I didn't get that far down the thread, faggot.

>>31074051

t. Some shitty african dictator

>>31073649
.02 cents WOW!!! that's like a million rubles!!!!!!!!

>>31073409
Looks like Ivan could use some prune juice.

>>31073505
>The military should be under civilian control. That kinda erodes that.
>We followed the correct policy, whether we all liked it or not. We fit the military plan to the overall political framework, all the while resenting even that much compromise. But our enemies in NATO tried to force a political plan into a military framework. The beauty in our system is that it restrains the military, often uncomfortably for us, but does not interfere in the internal details of military operations. We are the warriors who enjoy the essential freedoms. Our enemies allowed political considerations to dictate not just the decision to use force, but even the practical details of military planning.

>>31074230
Has any Swede seen combat?

>>31073739
>But what's your point?

Their point is that you actually have no point.

You say 1900s history, we say literally any other century.

> inb4 it's current year

>>31073592
Turbo Kek

>>31074251
Sounds like a good man.

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>>31075330
Sure. If you consider shooting poorly trained and poorly equipped goat herders in places like Afghanistan to be combat.

>>31073824
Considering there hasn't been a war, conflict, or intervention Hillary has not approved of, the real warmonger is not Trump.

>>31073487
here's a big surprise to some /k/unts, you don't need military service to be good in the DoD/MoD

>>31080573
>Russians confirmed for not being able to handle combat lite then?

>>31073824
fuck off cuck

>>31080829
You really don't. They don't just need strategists and shit. They need accountants, public relations, logistics, people to handle their relationships with the companies that make uniforms, food and weapons/equipment, and myriad other roles that require at most passing familiarity with military things.

>>31073562
Sitting all day planning on how to be invaded by muslims and how to give them all your guns, then sucking off all the non-whites on the base does not constitute a military career, swede.

:^)

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>>31080573
I swear to god they're all the same person shopped in multiple times.

Is this the future of close protection? Have one guy protect the mark and then copy in a bunch of him later?

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I think he's ok. Defence minister of Switzerland...and sports

>>31073443
>>31073448
Yea, but the man who pulls the strings in Russia has military, espionage, propaganda, and assassination experience.

Civilians are necessarily a negative, but civilian women are.

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>>31074141
>please don't post our mental case of a MoD, this person needs professional psychiatric assistance, not your laughter.
>t. Pole
Vatnik detected.

>>31074223
He's excellent. Rebuilds our military. That's why Vatniks work hard to dismiss him. He already destroyed one soviet secret service that was roaming free in Poland.

>>31081049
>He already destroyed one soviet secret service that was roaming free in Poland.

Source? Details? I want hear about this.

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>>31073409
>>31073455
>>31073487
>>31073992
>you now remember defense minister mishkin
discuss

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Look at me anon, gaze into my terror and tell me you won't apologize to mexico.

>>31081049
everything doesnt need to be about waging war against vatniks, dont be like them because thats all those filthy subhumans want to do; go to war because muh nato muh putin muh pride

>>31073409
/pol/ thread

>>31081127
He destroyed polish military intelligence, because he and his fellows thought that it was stained by communism. It left Poland without military intelligence for a while and bunch of (rightfully) pissed off ex-agents roaming around.

>>31081049
Sausages accurately represent jet plane decompression.

>>31073487
i loved him in BLOPS

>>31081140

You were taken too soon.

>>31074223
Case No.1:
After brother of our current Supreme Leader died in plain crash and our current Supreme Leader (it was before he become SL) found official investigation unsatisfactory (because it didn't blamed all on Ruskies) he was put in charge alternative commission. He assembled bunch of "top notch experts", who were in reality just a bunch of pseudo-scientists or just nuts (claiming that boiling sausage can be used to model internal explosion inside of plane, using paper planes as proofs etc.)

Always saying some batshit insane stuff.

>>31080846
Hehe, Trumpfags are the easiest to trigger.

>>31080846
>getting triggered this easily
contemplate suicide

>>31077014
Lets assume I built a car this afternoon, I drove it around the block twice and the second time around the steering failed and it crashed.

By your logic it is safer than literally any other car as they will have had more crashes due to mechanical failure in the years they have been out.

America has been at war for all but about 5 years since it was created IIRC, America is the car I built this afternoon

>>31073487
>he actually thinks he had any saying over anything.
I suggest you watch some of his interviews.

>>31073992
Poland's defense minister could be a villain in a disney movie

>>31073616
Don't fap in the shower you fucking prick.

>>31073824
>I don't know how politics work: the post

>>31074030

Probably with us because the Russians could then gobble up some of that rightful Russian clay.

>>31073992
China needs to lose some weight.

>>31081049

cuck

>>31084043
he could be the villain in any movie

>>31084327
i wish it was a movie

>>31073565
Obviously you are not a married man or have worked in an all female work place.

>>31080573
Thought they never left the wire