G3 in the DEFINITIVE reliability test

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>/k/ BTFO yet again

>>31069898
>century c-308 monkey shit build

Get a real G3 or a PTR. Century guns are not built to spec and don't even use HK tooling.

>>31069965
It was confirmed more reliable than a top of the line FAL. So.... G3>FAL, but AR 15>Battle rifles

Ehhhh. He should keep the beard.

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gunfags BTFO

>not using swords for combat

I shiggy diggy

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>>31069898
I must say, I really did not expect it to do that well.

>>31069898

As an owner of several ARs, AKs, and a PTR...

Why is this type of test important for me?

>>31070027
To shitpost better.

>>31069898
>but muh roller delayed blowback

>>31070040
Did you not watch the video? It did pretty well. Not as good as the AR but significantly better than anything else.

>>31070023

Me neither, frankly.

>>31070027

Because one day you might have to crawl through muddy trenches like in WW1 which Ian jerks off to the thought off.

>>31070038
this. Expect /arg/ tier shitposting and jummy rustling

So what's the story so far?

>AR-15>MAS 49/56>G3>AK>FAL>M1A>M1

I haven't watched pistol videos yet, but I'm guessing Luger is king

>>31070027
On the day of the rope the fencesitters will be the first to go. Pick your team nigger, you've got to pick one and love it and hate the rest and whenever someone insults your team you've got to fight them to the fucking death and post mud tests and ballistics charts that PROVE they picked the wrong team and your the best team because they are shit and only shitty meme countries use their gun whereas your gun is used by the highest quality countries.

>>31070027
To let you know if you poor mud into the action of a rifle you're gonna have a bad time

>>31070062
To be fair, all of these are models (clones of) adopted by a military. This is a theoretical test of an extreme to use as a bench mark for discussion.

As a civilian gun owner you don't have to worry about it but none of these guns were designed for civilian use either.

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>>31069898
I'm kind of impressed. The C308 is just about the shittiest clone they could have used too.

this proves that blowback is superior

>>31070156
Low tier g3/cetme outperforms high tier FAL. Proves a point on reliability.

While I may not have to crawl under concertina wire and get muddy, being in the field hunting faces the same potential problems of getting fouling in your operating mechanism. A guick drop and grab from any mud can ruin your day.

>>31070185
>Proves a point on reliability.
No it doesn't. A point would be proven if they used multiple brands, multiple mud types, multiple times, all this proves is that particular Century handled that particular mud better than that particular DSA.

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>>31070208
butthurt FALfag

>>31070215
Don't own any .308s, I'm just saying that this test is meaningless for anything but shitposting.

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>>31070208
whatever helps you sleep at night my man

>>31070228
>T. Slav shit owner

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OH FUCK
OH GOD MY FUCKING DICK IT FEELS SO GOOD FUCK
YOU LIKE THAT YOU GAS OPERATED FAGGOTS

THEY USED THE I.O OF THE G3 WORLD AND IT STILL DID BETTER

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>>31070027

Mah nigga.

>>31070208
>(YOU)
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>>31070262
calm down man

Damn Carl has lost some weight.

Hahaha

And just in the last FAL thread an anon was telling me that the G3 was going to fail just as hard as the FAL.

I was right by saying that the combination of the flutes in the chamber and the violent action blew out the debris preventing the rounds from cambering.

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>>31070282
Not a chance, dude, FEELS TOO FUCKING GOOD

>>31070267
Why buy something as inferior as the AK?

>>31070324
Hes probably not poor.

>>31070334
Not poor, yeah, but poor-ish. His collection is pretty basic and lacks optics.

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>everyone ITT not realizing that these are all troll videos

>>31069898
FALfags BTFO

>>31070228
It's lest stringent than the US Army's actual mud test desu fampai

>>31070355

This isn't all of them by any means, but yeah, I need optics, these are recent purchases.

>literally can afford to drop 4000 bucks on firearms at a whim
>slapped an SSA-E trigger in the AR just because I can
>poor

lol kys

>>31069898

>C308 Frankenrifle

>shits itself

WHO WAS SURPRISED BY THIS!?

why did they use the POS Century G3

>>31070384
That's why I said poor-ish, no need to be rude.

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>>31070398
>even the century monkey G3 beats a DSA FAL

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>>31070185
>>31070208
>>31070228
It's a testament to the difference between the two actions. The single most valuable part of the video is Ian's comment that with gas-operated rifles if the bolt is stuck and the initial impulse cannot move it, then the rest of the gas is vented and that energy is wasted. With roller-delayed, the blowback is constantly and violently applied with no waste. It does however make for a less comfortable shooting experience and difficult maintenance. The "wasted" gas in a gas-operated action can be regulated, however, and that's a huge advantage of rifles like the FAL. If you were running the FAL with the gas regulator wide open it may be as violent as the G3 and right itself.

I do think that if they got mud into the charging handle of the G3 it would just as easily seize as did the FAL's charging handle. Neither of them can be forced into battery by the user.

>>31070394
Anon it did pretty well comparatively

>>31070062
And you still won't drown your gun in mud, because you're not a complete fucking retard. These tests are in no way representative of an actual combat situation or actual combat situation.

>>31070411
It's like a locking rear differential, sort of

>>31070394
You should try watching the video first. It actually did pretty well.

>>31070398
Maximum shit posting since it did better than everything except the AR. It did pretty well.

>>31070411
I feel like the blowback helped clear it so it could consistently go into battery. Opening wasn't the issue for most rifles, it was going back into battery.

>>31070423
The actual US military tests involve having them sit in the mud for 30 seconds or so. Ian and Karl's, while being less scientific, is more lenient.

>>31069898
>BTFO
you don't seem to know what that means, they used a Century C308 for the test, those rifles fresh from the factory will barely function as overly complicated straight pull rifles. What you see in the video is the normal operation of a C308 and it in fact performed better covered in mud than a C308 usually works.

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Karl is a bit of a fedora, isn't he?

>>31069898
>retards on /k/ praising this as if it was some scientific study
Easiest way to spot the gullible idiots

>>31069898
This should've been the CETME mud test.

>>31070411
>I do think that if they got mud into the charging handle of the G3 it would just as easily seize as did the FAL's charging handle. Neither of them can be forced into battery by the user.

True that would have made it more difficult, but they did get a bit where the handle swivels up. The G3 does also have an open tube, that can help force any debris out. The charging handle can hold a good bit of gunk too. There are two holes used to remove the handle. They act as lube points for the bolt but also to drain water or mud out.

>>31070411
What is also important in mud test is bearing surface geometry. It decides how mud behaves and where it goes when bolt cycles. If it got jammed between moving parts as door wedges instead of moving aside no amount of force will cycle gun. Mosin bolt can't even be opened with hammer when sand jammed locking lugs again carrier. Bearing surface geometry and behavior of mud we don't see because it is inside.

And again, hilarious because a simple dust cover and forwarded assist would have cured the issue.

>>31070646
Simply not drowning your gun in mud and sand would do the trick as well. A thing taught to every single soldier.

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>>31070646
>a simple dust cover
>one simple trick
>slavs, battle rifle faggots, fudds hate him

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>>31070437
implying the US army use the same mud as Karl

>>31070646
doesn't help the AR in real world scenarios, even with those features the AR still jams like a motherfucker with the moondust in Iraq

>>31070662
>Verdun? Never heard of it. I'll have you know I'm good friends with mud and it would never jam MY gun!

>>31070675
Pretty funny in a somewhat stupifying sort of way

>>31070703
That's nice AKfag

>>31070751
>Verdun? Never heard of it. I'll have you know I'm good friends with mud and it would never jam MY gun!
If you're stuck in mud up to your uplifted arms, then your gun jamming isn't exactly your biggest problem. You cover your gun with your body during artillery, so it's not going to have mud fall on top of it like that either.

>>31070208
This. Nothing about this test is statistically defensible, nor can the results be assumed to be characteristic of these types of rifles in general.

>>31070703
that's actually a good point, what ever happened to the sand storm tests?

>>31070751
Every soldier learns to preserve his rifle in the event of wakcy shit like a dust storm, mud or falls. It could happen but there's a lot of things that could happen most rational people don't think about like 'what happens if my rifle becomes covered in mud and I don't have a canteen'.

>>31070770
>You cover your gun with your body during artillery,
Pressing it against mud poodle on the bottom of the shell crater where you are hiding?

>>31070783
By the very nature of not having several doozen rifles I agree on the first point but there's nothing that really breaking regarding what happens of mud gets somewhere, a firearms isn't magic that is somehow different from another machine.

>>31070855
hand or arm over the action with the bolt or ejection port facing up

>>31070828
AR-15 also had no trouble whatsoever in their sandstorm test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrPjlcJ3rtY

>>31070703
>AR jams from Iraq moon dust

this is a bad meme.

>>31070880
I was referring to the other rifles, would have been fun seeing the FAL or the C308 in the tests. Also Karl lost a decent amount of weight.

>>31069973
was it is DSA or FN FAL?

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>>31069898
I am full on AR-MASTER-RACE.
>All other rifles should bow down before the mighty AR15 family of rifles!

That being said these tests are mostly stupid. Don't slop your fucking rifle in a stupid amount of mud. You know...like a non-retard. No rifle is impervious.

Also the G3 did not do that bad until he second time he throw more mud into the receiver. If you had that much mud on your rifle, you know, dump some water on it maybe...piss on it if you have too.

>>31070941
DSA

>>31070356
>implying they care
They're thirsty for (you)'s

AR MASTER RACE

/K/ ON SUICIDE WATCH, WHO WILL THESE MADMEN BTFO NEXT?!?!

>>31070926
Ah, yeah, it'd be pretty fun to see that two in a sandstorm test. It's still kinda neat to see the flaws of the rifles, the whole shitposting aside.
Noticed that he's lost some weight as well, yeah. He should get the beard back though, frankly.

>>31070892
only if you haven't been there

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He should test this one next just to shut up the "urr durr isn't used anymore".

I wonder how it would perform.

>>31070156
this, C308s don't perform that well when perfectly clean

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>>31071067
except i have fagget

>>31071070
Is that the Gali?

Also have they tried the FAMAS or any other bullpups? I'd like to see them mud test a Barrett.

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>CETME

Theyll be testing centuryshit next right?

>>31071213
That's an SG 510. And so far they tried a KelTec RDB in a mud test but nothing else from my knowledge.

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>>31071070
What gun is that?

>>31071262
It outperformed DSA

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>>31071300
That's a SIG 510.

>>31069898

The only true reliability test is one that is conducted in the course of two years by keeping the gun in a sling, marching through nature several kilometers a day, shoot at random things at random times at full auto and semi, clean the thing when you feel to and then we see whats more reliable.

>>31070027

So people can take even less effort into shitting into the things you like by linking some unrelated video.

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>>31069988
>not using both
The Emperor is disappoint.

>>31071309
Who gives a fuck? Everyone knows FALs are ancient technology. Did it outpreform a PTR91GI or even an almighty HK91?

>>31071344
that means the G3 is definitely more reliable than the FAL

>>31070153
>designed for civilian use either
they were designed to shoot bullets

>>31071403
>This fucking butthurt
My sides have never been this orbital

>>31070153
This one was.
>>31071070

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>>31071262
the gun they tested was century
>>31071403
not really sure what you are ass mad about here the DSA is the FAL that was used and it lost to a century clone of the rifles you named

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>>31071070
I'd expect it to do well. It seems like it has a much more robust roller locking system compared to the HK. Then again, that would reduce the explosiveness of the action which might actually be a bad thing in a test like this; the explosiveness of the HK's action is one of the reasons it is so reliable.

>>31070855
Or you know, not be a retard and have the open action against their bodies. . . .

>>31071420
Don't be obtuse. He said people will never crawl through muddy trenches with their rifle, which is true for people like us. At least we don't HAVE to do that. However all of these rifles so far have been some variant or another of a standard service rifle of a military, who do come across those situations from time to time.
>>31071462
>adopted by the Swiss army
>designed for civilians
Just because they're army is conscripts and reservists doesn't make it "designed for civilians".

>>31071496
that rifle both sickens and arouses me.

>>31070070
All the pistols have performed well.

>>31069898
>Century C308
wow, it's fucking nothing

>>31073063
It is something, because it performed well. Just not AR-15 well

>>31073075
Did he even fire the gun before mudding it up? The constant FTE, the double-feed at start, locked up charging handle, all of that just screams Century build quality.

Jesus fucking Christ if this guy is going to bother setting up a test demo like this he should at least demonstrate that the gun doesn't already have a broken ejector and out of spec handle gap.

>>31073107
Yet, it still did better than the FAL.

>>31073119
I'm a PTR owner and still couldn't give a shit, there's not enough information present to draw any kind of known accurate conclusion from the tests.

>>31073107
>>31073107

>No Mud
5 shots
>Mud
1 Shot, Double Feed, 7 shots after with no issue
>Remud
5 Manual action shots, 5 shots with no issue

>>31073136
>There isn't enough information present

1. Is there mud on and around the bolt, trigger, and action?
2. How did the firearm operate under these conditons?

They were both answered

>>31069898
>BATTLE RIFLE FAGS BTFO!
Hold that thought, OP. AR-10s are Battle Rifles too.

AR-10 test fucking when? I want to see extreme butthurt.

>>31073107
>Did he even fire the gun before mudding it up?
Why do people ask questions that prove they didn't even bother to pay attention?

Do a SCAR test ffs

>>31071496
But if it doesn't go into battery you can't close the action like the FAL and the G3, because the charging handle is non reciprocating

Also that is my gun in that pic

>>31073242
From the comments section:

>Can you guys get a SCAR 17 to test? That would be interesting to see.
>We're planning on it, and have a donor but it might not be until October or later.

>>31073263
Sweet. I really want to see this.

ALL GUNS CONFIRMED MEMES

ALL GUNS BTFO

VOTE HILLARY FOR SALVATION FROM THE MEMES

>>31069898
Where is the AR one?

>>31073284
>oh no
>a gun that I like fail a test
>what should I do?
>I know!
>Lets say all guns would fail in that test.
>That will show them

>>31073320
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAneTFiz5WU

>>31069898
Related question: is this the same G3/CETME that they built?

>>31073483
No. that was the CETME L. This was a Century Arms C308

>>31073483
If you actually watched the video or read the thread, you would know. It's literally within the first 5 replies.

>>31069898
I don't see what the asspain is all about. The G3 actually fired and cycled all its rounds besides that double feed.

>>31073544
AR worked flawless. 5 rounds clean, 10 rounds w/ dust cover, 10 rounds without

>>31073553
Ok. But why are people upset about the G3 then? He cleared the malfunction and it worked fine.

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>>31070751
Verdun was known for the artillery. Passchendaele was the one that was that was infamous for mud. It's also known for a line in a poem.

>“I died in hell. They called it Passchendaele.”

>>31073782
I always get weirded out by watching a certain well known image of a man charging forward during WWI who gets shot and practically throws his gun out with his hands as if to exclaim "why have you done this to me". That man's picture of the last moments of his life was taken almost 100 years ago, and he'll never see it. I'm drunk but it's weird.

>>31073572
It's a false flag from the Russian government to make AR owners look bad

>>31073167
you just described a day at the range with a century that wasn't mudded. so we can gather from this test that century is shit with or without mud

>>31069898
https://www.full30.com/video/30a1f036a5143172f5da39cf50f46360

How can AK fags even compete

FAL-IDF spin incoming.

>>31073274

Two outcomes, both annoying as fuck.

SCAR does poorly, every thread even mentioning a SCAR ends in 12-year-olds screaming how SCAR owners overpayed for total garbage and should kill themselves.

SCAR does well, endless posts from people who've never even rented one bemoaning how only impoverished peasants would buy an AR and how they should kill themselves.

>>31074238
It would have to somehow outperform the AR, which had a 100% grade

>>31074238
It's a good thing that the SCAR is in a completely different price class than a typical AR though. Even if they cry "poorfag", that's fine. A gun that has the same reliability but cheaper is better for more people.

>>31074258

Assuming a tie, something tells me that stop-being-poors may not be putting 100% of their assesments on shoveling mud into the action.

>>31074292
>>31074298
I don't think the stop-being-poors actually care about functionality at all - they don't buy their guns primarily to shoot them, but for wall-hanging and bragging purposes, and so functionality will always be secondary to appearance and resale value. That's why they get so butthurt when you explain definitevely how a $250 Makarov outclasses a $1000 1911 as far as actual functionality (firepower, carryability, reliability) goes.

>Century
>Surplus mags
Wow im amazed

>>31074345
Safequeenfags are the worst.

>oh no I shot my rifle 10 times! I gotta deep clean
It's a fucking tool that will get dirty by its nature. Use it.

>>31071300
What weapon is that? No spam.

>>31073839
What picture?

>>31074570
Can't remember but iys fairly well known. Just fickimg eerie, man

>>31074238
>>31074258
>>31074292
>>31074298
If anything would happen with the SCAR it would be the fact that Carrier's bearing surfaces slides against the extruded aluminum upper very closely with little clearance while the ar15 has thin guide rails and very large clearances surrounding the BCG to allow for debris.

>>31075110
>ar15 has thin guide rails

There are no guide rails
>b-but the little slots on the left side

not rails

>>31073250
How much did it cost you?

>>31075511
No, The forward assist slots are not "guide rails".

There are four bearing surfaces on the ar15 BCG, extremely thin with large clearances to the ID of the upper receiver.

I believe Eugene Stoner himself uses this terminology in his BCG patent.

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>>31069898
>Century CETME/HK91 clone
>Still more reliable than the AK

Vatniks BTFO

>>31070077

#AllRiflesMatter, Anon.

>>31069973
>DSA
>top of the line
pick one.

>>31076751
DSA, It's top of the line.

>>31075550
300 swiss francs, that's around the same in dollars
It also has a really good barrel that isn't too worn out from rifle grenades

>>31077565
how is the reciever made? there are a handful of parts kits floating around and depending on how it is made I might consider getting a hold of one

>>31070892
It is literally as fine and light as talcum powder. If you don't think that that will ingress into an AR, then you're fooling yourself.

>>31078793
it's doesn't matter that it gets into your AR, The AR still works fine. Only retards believe this stupid meme. There have been day long battles that require multiple resupply runs to reload mags and the M16s and M4s we used were perfectly capable of lasting the day.

>>31069898

Every time I ask about buying a battle rifle, I get told to watch these mud test videos to dissuade me. Then it's just them jamming mud directly into the ejection port of guns they want to jam while cosmetically mucking up guns they like.

Fucking assholes.

>>31078863
except thats not true at all.

>>31078347
Out of my head: i'm not sure, i think it's milled but i'll check once i'm home in about 7 hours

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>>31079381
Here we go. I was mistaken, the receiver is actually stamped bitbhas some stuff welded on

>>31075511
Next time just type "I'm a retard"

It's less effort for both of us.

>>31074508
Finnish Lahti-Saloranta M/26 "light" machine gun.

A very odd weapon that uses a long recoil system.
Notoriously heavy and complex, but surprisingly reliable.
But it was ridiculously accurate even in full auto.

The biggest problem with it was the magazine which only held 20 rounds and needed to be downloaded to about 16 to work correctly because muh rimmed ammo.
This meant it was a machine gun that wasn't very useful for suppressive fire.

Since they were so accurate, the Finns often used them as DMRs set on semi-auto and firing prone from the bipod while submachine gunners laid down suppressive fire.

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>>31069898
no matter how well it does, still century

>>31081123
I am so jealous. How do you like it?