Logistics General

>>31061062
It's a neat idea. It's good for navies that can't afford to have multiple specialist logistic vessels.

>>31061062

Sensible solution to what most other countries pick as extremely expensive luxury.

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>>31061062
Interior: US Warfare/Welfare Industrial complex manufacturer meeting
>CEO: "We need more money! ...oh and America protection, blah blah blah, you know the rigamarole."
>Idea Man: "A new transport vessel?"
>CEO: Too risky. I'm not comfortable coming out of pocket for R&D. That's what taxpayers are for.
>Idea Man: "Sir. If we took a work boat that we've been building for the oilfield since the 70's,
>paint it gray and add some military electronics, the Navy will be sure to buy it. We can charge for R&D that we don't
>need to do and resell the boat at 4 times the price we sell to those cheap private firms.
>CEO: *wiping a tear away* God Bless America.

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>>31061482
I guess you're insulting the Expeditionary Transfer Dock program? Because it seems like a pretty good concept as far as I can tell.

>>31061062
>derived from ro ro ferry
>using commercial spec

how about no

>>31062090

There's literally nothing wrong with that, if applied correctly.

>>31062090

What's the problem?

>>31061717
They're fucking garbage. Trust me, I work on an LMSR and have been ship-to-ship with one for cargo ops. They can't work in sea state 3 or more, and they have perpetual mechanical issues because modern NASSCO ships built for the government are shit.

>>31062473
>>31062535

It implies that cost cutting measures is done all for the wrong reason. It can't stand high sea states as well as doesn't have the same survivability as military-spec vessels.

So far only third world navies opt for such cost-cutting measures. Shitholes like Indonesia and Philippines. Hell in fact Russia accidentally saved its own ass by not getting the mistral class LHD because of the commercial build standards the french did to it

>>31062689
The whole point of the class is to free up actual amphibious warfare vessels by taking up the bullshit tasks though isn't it?

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They recently removed the electric motors of the IEP because one of them got BTFO. Apparently there was a flaw in the design and the other one had to be removed too. Now it's sitting in the dock waiting for the new engines to be installed. Thanks General Electric.

But yes it's a neat ship. It's not really an LPD (the RNLN already has two LPDs), but more of an all-round support vessel, with a heavy emphasis on replenishment and seabasing duties. The latter will be done in cooperation with the German Seabatallion. The ship has an amazing sensor suite too, a bit overkill actually.

Also leave it to Damen to build the most aesthetically pleasing ships out there. That two-tone is based.

>>31062090
Where did you get that from? It's false.

>>31061062
It's a fucking cruise ship with a helicopter pad.

>>31062689
>It implies that cost cutting measures is done all for the wrong reason. It can't stand high sea states as well as doesn't have the same survivability as military-spec vessels.

Just because something is commercial does not mean it cannot operate in high sea states, the lower level of survivablity is already a given.

>So far only third world navies opt for such cost-cutting measures. Shitholes like Indonesia and Philippines. Hell in fact Russia accidentally saved its own ass by not getting the mistral class LHD because of the commercial build standards the french did to it

Not really, it is very common place for auxiliary/support ships to be commercial spec. Lots of navies use em', Royal Navy's HMS Ocean (LPH) and HMS Argus (??) are both commercial hulls.

Again, if used correctly there's nothing wrong with it.

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>>31062756
When will summerfags leave?

>>31062756
>It's a fucking ferry with a helicopter pad

fify.

>>31062755
Isnt it typically Dutch to install a metric fuckton of sensors on ships that don't need them? For example the Holland-class.

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>>31062756
They also have a superyacht with a gun.

>>31062755
>They recently removed the electric motors of the IEP because one of them got BTFO. Apparently there was a flaw in the design and the other one had to be removed too. Now it's sitting in the dock waiting for the new engines to be installed. Thanks General Electric.

Sorry to see someone else suffering because of a design flaw in otherwise wonderful power and propulsion system, the poor Type 45s.

>>31062943

That looks aesthetic as fuck.

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>>31061062

The Netherlands may not spend much on their navy but the money they do spend is VERY well spent. They have the most beautiful ships in the world.

>>31062927
It could be useful if the data can be integrated with it's escorts I suppose.

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>>31062927
It's actually the same sensor mast as the Holland-class. I guess Thales made them a good deal.

>>31062977
In this case it was purely mechanical. The stator of one of the electric motors basically exploded into pieces.

And I would be more worried of the QE-class carriers if I were you, I think they're getting the same GE electric motors as the Karel Doorman, albeit a bit more powerful.

Pic is the motor. They got it out in like 1 day, but since GE doesn't have these on the shelf, they have to wait months for GE to deliver new ones.

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>>31061062

Why does the Netherlands actually need amphibious assault ships? Who is the Netherlands going to assault?

>>31063103

QE doesn't use GE. It uses Rolls Royce MT30's and a fuckton of Diesels.

>>31063103

> think they're getting the same GE electric motors as the Karel Doorman, albeit a bit more powerful.

You might be mixing it up with some of the technology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Power_Conversion

Wouldn't be surprised if they both share that tech.

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>>31063137

>>31063137

Joint stuff with the brits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_Marine_Corps#UK.2FNL_Landing_Force

Operational units of the Royal Netherlands Marine Corps are fully integrated into the 3 Commando Brigade of the Royal Marines.

>>31063231

They also make the best Amphibious deck in Wargame.

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>>31063144
>>31063166
The QE uses 4x Converteam (now GE Power Conversion) electric motors to power the 2 propellers.

http://articles.maritimepropulsion.com/article/First-Aircraft-Carrier-Motor-for-the-Queen-1844.aspx

So yes better pray they won't shit the bed like the ones in the Karel Doorman.

>>31063304

Well shit, lets.

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It looks alright, but only haveing one FAS station on either side, and no RAS stations, it seems pretty limited in the 'replenishment vessel' role.

>>31062599
I've also been skin-to-skin and was less than impressed. They are working on solutions though.

The NAvy's seabasing concept seems to have been worked out not by actual logistics types, but by desk jockeys who excel mainly at creating powerpoint presentations.

>>31062718
Yes, and they're decent for that. But, they really should have just designed a completely new class from scratch, the adapt-a-hull mentality leads to too many compromises and lost opportunities.

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>>31062978
I've never wanted to fuck a ship before I saw that photo.

>>31062756
>Muh mirrion times folded steel battleship armor

Fuck off back to world of warshits.