Syrian Fencers get spooked by F-22s

>In one very well-known episode, F-22 stealth jets providing HVAAE (High Value Air Asset Escort) to a U.S. Predator flew under the Iranian F-4E Phantoms that had intercepted the drone then pulled up on their left wing and then called them and radioed a famous “you really ought to go home” that allegedly scared the Iranian pilots off saving the drone.

Kek

>>31048726
I wonder if the Iranians understood English or the just the chatter was enough to spook em.

>>31048753

the international language of aviation is english.

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>>31048753
>haha America pig dog drone all alone
>gonna blow it up for allahs glory
>OF SHIT THERE RAPTOR PLANE
>OH ALLAH HES TALKING TO ME
>SHIT ACKMEHD B-BREAK BREAK

>>31048762
Generally yeah, but Iran has been in heavy isolation up until recently.

>President Obama, upon finding out about the incident, personally called the Pilot's to remind them this was not how muslim forces around the world should be treated, before making a statement apologizing to Iran for aggressive maneuvers.

>The Pilot was then grounded for an undetermined amount of time while the Justice Department investigated the incident.

>Currently all deployed Pilot's are now receiving sensitivity training to prevent future incidents, with the order coming from the President himself in hopes of improving relations with middle eastern countries.

>>31048576
So, US planes will attack Syrian planes in Syrian airspace, because US forces are on territory can be attacked. Did US declared war on Syria or what? Syrians has all legal rights to shoot down any foreign military aircraft in their fucking airspace.

>>31048789
Even Iran follows international standards (for the most part).

>>31048789
Iran is surprisingly Westernized compared to its neighbors, and most of the general populace are closet westaboos.

>>31048818
also now all american pilots must don sandals, muslim headgear underneath their helmets and carry a copy of the koran in their flight suit.

>>31048841
>closet
They drive 70s muscle cars, and their air force flies Phantoms and Tomcats.

>>31048829
What a clusterfuck.

>the Pentagon warned Assad regime to not fly or conduct raids in the area where the American SOF are operating
yeah, don't you dare fly sorties against foreign soldiers in your own country

>>31048858
I wonder if Iran does tafheet. I bet 70s cars can make some impressively deathtrappy fireballs.

>>31048873
ROE isn't hard anon:

Shooting at random Muslim insurgents = no one cares.

Shooting at elite minions of the worlds premiere superpower = you might get smacked up.

>>31048873
I mean, they're just telling him what's going to happen.

>Let us do our shit or we'll fuck you up.

Seems like a fairly reasonable stance for a country that is disrespecting your national sovereignty.

>>31048829
>>31048873
>>31048945

Putincucks pls.

>>31048829
>So, US planes will attack Syrian planes in Syrian airspace

That's not quite how it works in situations like this. There's a very large difference, politically speaking, between "this is a no fly zone and we will shove an AMRAAM or two up your ass if you come through here", and "We're just chilling in this area watching out for our people on the ground with the most advanced air superiority planes in the world and maybe your old russian attack planes don't want to be around"

>>31048774
I swear that sort of attitude is a prerequisite to becoming an air force pilot.
>SR-71-pilots-request-speed-check.txt

>>31049019
Yes, because first one is legally initiated by UN and second one is a de-facto military invasion.

>>31048829
The US is not in a habit of declaring war on nations, only things like drugs and terrorism and other such.

Still, should you capture any US military personnel doing military stuff in your country, they will insist you treat them as prisoners of war, rather than giving them a very lengthy jail sentence for espionage/ or whatever.

Still, it's not like US authorities are any less hypocritical when dealing with its own citizens, so whatever.

>>31049062
>person is wearing uniform
>not a POW

pls

>>31049062
It's not hypocrisy when you really are superior. /murica

>>31049074
No declaration of war - go to prison for border trespassing, weapon smuggling and all other shit.

>>31048829
U.S didn't recognise Assad regime as legitimate government of Syria.

>>31049074
I'll have to read up on muh conventions again but im fairly certain you can be a POW even without uniform, in the case of insurgents n such.
The articles on "lawful combatants" clarify those things.

>>31049050
Fighter pilots are alone in a way which other in the military aren't. So they can't find strength in others to the same degree, confidence in themselves must carry the day instead.

This means the psychological profile of the ideal pilot will be somewhat special.

>>31048873
>the international language of aviation
I think it's funny to imply they tell assad where American SOF is at any given moment

it's probably something like "don't fly on the eastern 1/3 of your country" or something stupid

>>31049160
They dont even tell the regime directly, they relay through the russians.

>Capt Davis told journalists that the US had warned Syria via its communication channel with Russia that it would defend coalition troops.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-37136536

>>31049092
That isn't how this works.

>>31049193
warned about troops, but you know that's after they started flying in the area.
also
>relaying through Russia
what a fucking stupid

>>31049059
>de-facto military invasion

An extremely limited one, but yeah. With the american advisers far away from the reach of Syria's ground forces, and with F-22's flexing in the air, there's the age old question of "what you gonna do about it, faggot?"

>>31049120
Don't you have to have some way of separating yourself from civvies and showing that you are actually a combatant?

>>31049276
Generally, you have to have some kind of identifying mark (lets say your insurgent group wears red bandanas or whatever), but it can be concealed until you actually start fighting.
The conventions are surprisingly permissive on some things.

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>>31049062

>The US is not in a habit of declaring war on nations, only things like drugs and terrorism and other such.
Iraq 1 (H.R.J. Res. 77)
Afghanistan (S.J. Res. 23)
Iraq 2 (H.J. Res. 114)
Libya (UNSCR 1973)
Syria (S.J. Res. 23)

Remember when Russia declared war on Georgia and Ukraine? Me neither.

>Still, should you capture any US military personnel doing military stuff in your country, they will insist you treat them as prisoners of war
Remind me of the last time the US implored another state to do this?

>Still, it's not like US authorities are any less hypocritical when dealing with its own citizens, so whatever.
Remind me of the last time the US arbitrarily imprisoned US citizens?

>>31048576
Things which totally happened this way.

>>31048829
Those are USA men doing USA things. We are not openly at war with Syria and simply told them to fuck off and leave our guys alone or else.

Syria is barely in control of their own territory, they have all kinds of nations and insurgents running around and the USA being there is generally the least of their problems.

>Syrians has all legal rights to shoot down any foreign military aircraft in their fucking airspace.

You're too used to thinking in terms of rules. If the USA can break the rules to further our own interests we should. And if a foreign nation wants to get salty we should discourage them.

>>31049243
They can ask Russians to deal with it. And then it will turn into game of "Who got the biggest jammer in area".

>>31048858
Better than russiashit.

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>>31049353
>We are not openly at war with Syria
>Actively training and arming Al-Qaeda affiliated groups in their country for their jihad isn't an act of war

>>31048873
No. Don't you dare. Those are our men and we will back them up.

Fuck the law, fuck the rules, fuck anyone who gets in the way our people are doing good work and we need to be there for them and them us. Brotherhood nigga.

>>31048929
>the Ford Pinto
>for when you want to be a suicide bomber without even trying

>>31049378
>The USSR was openly at war with the US in Nam

>>31049378
>Actively training and arming Al-Qaeda affiliated groups in their country for their jihad isn't an act of war.

People who repeat this meme drive me nuts.

Name one.

>>31049399
Division 13

>>31049407
>Division 13
>Islamists

Those guys are so far from groups like Jaysh al Islam and Al Nusra it isn't even funny. Not to mention like most of the not-hardcore-islamists its fucking tiny. Hell they're skirmishing with Al Nusra.

Syrian rebels come in 3 breeds.

>Mujaheddin armies
>Smaller, less Islamist local rebel militias, usually raised locally and motivated by the defense of their town/city/neighborhood, may be part of a larger confederacy but don't maneuver like the actual armies.
>Kurdistani and other ethnic armies.

The kind of rebels the US benefits from arming are a loose confederacy of local militias that are not as combat effective as the larger, organized, mujaheddin armies or ethnic armies.

So the US instead threw shit to the Kurds because Turkey will get over it once they're done crying a river of salt.

>>31049489
The Kurds have always been the most based group in the region. Especially things like the effort to rescue the Yazidi ethnoreligious group from ISIS genocide.

impressive

having spent $62 billion on dedicated next gen a2a platform, americans have acquired airplane capable of deterring 1970s soviet low-level strike attack aircraft used by half non-existant arab air force in half-abandoned desert country engulfed in a five-year civil war. without a doubt, this day will go down in history as one of the most astonishing achievements and heroic triumphs of american arms, along with package q strike in iraq and destruction of communist sam missile in serbia

>>31049871
honestly, I'm just waiting for the part where some maintenance error or pilot fuck up causes the US' most secret shit to fall into Russian/ Chinese hands, like the B2 in Serbia and the stealth Black Hawk in Pakiland

>>31050058
>like the B2 in Serbia
F-117, and all they got was a canopy and burned-out wreckage.

And they just don't have the materials science foundation to really do anything with it.

>>31050181
Oh thanks, definitely a slip
luckily our B2s seem to have a habit of burning on our airfields rather than inconvenient places

>>31050187
base on the one B-2 to crash

>>31050187

>habit
>one airframe
>>>rt.com

>>31048829
the us forces are fighting the ISIS nigs that are fighting assad anyway, so we are actually helping assad

>>31050195
Looks like Anderson AFB for both.

>>31050198
relax, it's just bants. B2s have crazy complex avionics and are marvels of technology, spitting in physic's face to make our flying totems of death work good

>>31050209
>>31050195
*based on

the joke was that the most important finding of that crash was that the B-2's ejection seats worked, because they expected it to just drop a banner that said "no really, try harder"

>>31049193
>They dont even tell the regime directly, they relay through the russians.
The regime is worthless at this point. This war is beyond Assad's control now. It's up to Russia and Iran.

>>31048818

You do realize that Obama is the one who authorized a SEAL incursion into Pakistan to kill Bin Laden in a house full of children, correct?

>>31050414
he only did that because it would be good for his legacy

>>31050414
HOnestly though, the whole situation pretty much fell into his lap. It's like someone walking up to you and saying, "Hey the last guy here set up this machine to make it rain gold. All you gotta do now is push this button for riches."

>>31050428

>The crypto-Muslim president who secretly wants to destroy America from the inside killed the most wanted Muslim terrorist in the world who wanted to destroy America guise!
Shut the fuck up. Give the man some credit.

>>31050444

And Bill Clinton did 9/11, right?

>>31050444
And even then, he dithered about it, and his advisors had to just about beg him into it.

The potential for leaks from disgusted senior officials and the resulting political fallout probably sealed the deal.

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>>31048829
oh, you have national sovereignty?

ok. go ahead and enforce it, faggot.

>>31050519
No, Bill just decided he didn't want the potential international fallout when he was offered Bin Laden on a plate.

>>31050205
We're fighting ISIS and helping anti-Assad rebels, Russia is helping Assad and bombing civilians in rebel and ISIS because he's their only remaining ally in the region.

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>>31050594
Guess it all depends on Ivan's mood

>>31050624
>Lots of dickwaving stunts that the US mostly ignores
Real scared of Ivan there.

>>31049399
>Name one.

"FSA"

don't even pretend they existed to the date the US was still sending large amounts of support.

>>31049846

too bad the Kurds are starting to have infighting between the Syriac and Iraqi groups.

>>31050664

>don't even pretend they existed to the date the US was still sending large amounts of support.
Groundless assertion.

>>31050624

>Russian ADS

is that supposed to be threatening

I love it when we keep destabilizing governments and arming "moderates". when will we learn.

>>31050600

Potentially gruesome collateral in the form of dead women and children, and less-than-rock-solid intelligence, does no constitute a plate.

Conversely, Obama WAS offered bin Laden on a plate. But that was as a result of his own administration's two-year long intelligence gathering effort, which created circumstances where they knew they had him dead to rights--and that still required Obama to make the decision to impose on the sovereignty of a nominal ally (the one that Bush spent years buttering up, and gave him nothing on bin Laden for his troubles).

>>31050763

Putting a word in quotation marks doesn't legitimize your "argument".

>>31048818
source?

>>31049306
Japanese internment camps

>>31049306
guantanamo bay after 9/11
Suspected terrorists or not if your a citizen you should get due process

>>31050854

Exactly. Notice how you had to go back 70 years.

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>>31050519
>Shut the fuck up. Give the man some credit.

I wonder who's behind this post

>>31050205
be real pham, can you even count to 10 with your fingers?

>>31050414
after sitting on it for years

>>31049306
>Remind me of the last time the US arbitrarily imprisoned US citizens?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Jesus you're dumb

>>31050594
That will be saved as universal answer for any Russian-aggression-in-Ukraine-is-bad posts.

>>31050881

>>31050878

>>31050878
>he thinks the people detailed in Guantanamo are US citizens

>>31050878

One (1) citizen was held in Guantanamo for less than 2 months before being transferred stateside, and that was only because his US citizenship wasn't known about at the time of his capture--in Afghanistan, where he was fighting for the Taliban.

This isn't to defend Guantanamo, which I've been saying is an aberration since well before anybody on /k/ thought so.

>>31050994

Russian interventions in both Ukraine and Syria are contrary to popular uprisings in both those countries. Putin in both cases was and is seeking to protect anti-democratic regimes that are useful to his strategic ambitions, whereas the US is trying to reinforce the public will. Putin is on the wrong side, America is on the right side.

>>31048726
If they're sending an F-22 to escort a Predator, couldn't they just put the bombs on the F-22?

>>31048576

ISIS-AF wins again

>>31051089
>Putin is on the wrong side, America is on the right side.
Sure thing, Captain America.

>>31051038

>>31051089

>>31051089
I didn't know ISIS was the public will.

>>31051101
Won't they just use F-35s for the predator's combat role if they realize this?

>>31048829
They're welcome to try.

>>31051089
>Putin is on the wrong side, America is on the right side.
FUCK YEAH

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>>31048829
>dat runglish

International military action against ISIS in Syria was approved by the UN Security Council, Vasili.

>>31051089
>popular uprisings in both those countries
you're dumb

>Putin in both cases was and is seeking to protect anti-democratic regimes
what kind of regime is on the other side?

>that are useful to his strategic ambitions
like everyone else?

>whereas the US is trying to reinforce the public will
How can one man (you) be THIS stupid is beyond me.

>>31049276
If you're a uniformed fighter in the employ of a "government", you're a lawful combatant and able to reap the benefits of being such, as long as you aren't committing war crimes.

>>31051388
/thread

>>31048576
As a fencer, i am thoroughly confused by this subject line

>>31051489

NATO reporting name for Su-24s.

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>this thread

>>31051101
It's an ISR mission, not a ground pound mission.

>>31050181
>And they just don't have the materials science foundation to really do anything with it.

Serbia no, but the people who then bought the wreckage (of both the F-117 and the StealthHawk) sure as hell do.

>>31051089
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14120-obama-signs-2013-ndaa-may-still-arrest-detain-citizens-without-charge

>>31050878
I concede. I recalled from high school my senior govt teacher saying that they had a small number of Americans detained in gitmo without trial for a number of years.
>>31051089
>>31051046

>>31051571
They have the science, but do they have the engineering? The PAK-FA has a worse RCS than the F117 despite being decades newer.

>>31052013
I had this exact argument with my middle school principle back in like 2005.

True story.

>>31051212
The Russians aren't just carpet/cluster bombing ISIS, you twat. There was already a democratic revolution under way when ISIS invaded Syria.

>>31051413
>Source: RT.com

>>31052018
At best it's current F-16/Eurocanard tier.

>>31048829
Yes they have legal right to do so, but this may change what happens in their future.

Similar to how Turkey shot down airspace violating planes.

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>>31052391

>dem terrorists is gud bois dey dindu nuffin they's just freedom fighters en shit

>>31052537
>t. rt.com

>>31050763
Wish we tried in Turkey...

>>31049357
>Russia
>directly confronting the US
>in the Middle East
Oh, fuck, I wish a Vatnik would

>>31052751

>t. CNN

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>>31050594
this happens all the time

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>Drones are supposed to be cheap disposable things where it's okay if you lose one or two
>Have $300m 5th gens escort them around
This is surely a good use of my taxes

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>>31050519
Obama really just gave the go ahead. Not only that but I think everyone who has half a brain would have given the go ahead too.

So IMO credit belongs to DEVGRU for popping him in the head.

Thanks DEVGRU.

>>31052969
Or we can lose none of the half dozen in the air at a given time by having F-22s fly CAP. You know, instead of just burning the money with a cigarette lighter every time some Russian, Syrian or Iranian pilot gets an opportunistic impulse. Ditto the SF guys on the ground.

>>31048818
holy shit the propaganda these days on /k/
Some of you guys really are buttblasted 24/7

>>31052969
Whats wrong with you? Why do you hate FREEDOM so much?

>>31052999
>just burning the money
Pretty much what's happening when you field an aircraft more expensive to fly than E-3s.

Or, you could use any number of the profoundly cheaper F-16s twiddling their thumbs at Bagram.

F-22s providing escort against slav fighter-bombers is overkill.

>>31053043
I hate the deployed USAF guzzling money like a fat chick guzzles Coke while our vets are literally homeless stateside.

>>31053067
>F-22s providing escort against slav fighter-bombers is overkill.
There are Su-35s in theatre, anon. Are you this poorly informed or just stupid?

>>31053067
They'd see the F-16, the F-22s get to use the slavshit piloted by sand nigs as comic relief.

>"You really ought to go home"
>Iranian cockpit fills with the most horrible liquid terror shits known to man
>Raptor jockeys laugh their asses off as Hasin Bin'laid panics on an open mic all the way home

>>31053143
>There are Su-35s in theatre, anon
Not to mention the Su-30s and the possibility of Iranian F-14s if they decide to get really cheeky and re-enact the bizzaro world version of the Gulf of Sidra incident.

>>31053173
You know this is already a legendary O-club story in the USAF now. Those two Raptor drivers will never have to buy a beer in an Air Force town again.

>>31049110
[citation needed]

>>31049306
>Remind me of the last time the US arbitrarily imprisoned US citizens?

Today.

>>31049306
There has been no declaration of war from America since WW2 IIRC.

>>31049399
FSA.

JaF is part of the FSA.

JaN is part of the FSA.

Both are Al-Qaeda affiliates.

>>31051089
>Putin is on the wrong side, America is on the right side.

Wew

>>31052391
>democratic revolution under way

Islamic terrorist revolution under way*

>>31051500
Riddle me this anon, say Assad and those loyal to him are taken out of the picture, how do you suppose the "FSA" and other "moderate" rebel groups are going to turn the country around for the better and rebuild? How are they going to deal with ISIS and other extremists?

>>31053143
>There are Su-35s in theatre,
?

>>31053426
There. Are. Su-35s. In. Syria. Flying. Combat. Missions. You. Fucking. Idiot.

Su-24s and Su-25s aren't the only potentially hostile aircraft in the air, and the US doesn't know how to not have air superiority.

>>31053338
I believe the vote to use military force after 9/11 was unanimous spare Barbea Lee. We didn't recognize (or anyone in the UN for that matter) the Taliban as a legitimate government, so we didn't go to war against 'Afghanistan' as that would add to their narrative.

>>31052391
Russia isn't bombing ISIS at all beyond a token airstrike.

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>>31048829

The US reserves the right to revoke Syria's soverignty as an independent country at a moment's notice.

>>31050824
Really?

>>31050519

Unless Oblamo himself was among the SEALS when they stormed the building, it's on them, not him. I would say the exact same thing whether it was him or Bush sitting in the chair.

>>31053409
>t. rt.com
Putin's gotta justify carpet bombing civilians to support his dictator buddy.

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>>31048726
>https://theaviationist.com/2016/08/20/syrian-su-24s-attempting-to-fly-close-to-u-s-special-forces-in-syria-get-intercepted-and-encouraged-to-leave-by-f-22-raptors/

>>31052391
>democratic revolution
you have a very strange definition of democracy.

>>31050624
Silly Anon, F-22s aren't civilian airliners.

>>31049019
>We're just chilling in this area watching out for our people on the ground
Maybe you shouldn't park your people in foreign countries?

>>31055355
Do you think Syria would prefer to take on ISIS and all the other rebels / insurgent groups on their own?

>>31055424
Is this the argument Americans use once they've armed the rebel groups in order to justify their existence in the country?

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>>31048774
>SAMMY PLEASE LISTEN
>YOU ARE NOT FLYING WELL SAMMY
>SAMIR YOU ARE GOING TO BREAK THE PLANE

>>31055209
There was a revolution by people demanding an end to the autocratic Assad regime and conversion to a democratic system. Sure, it all fell apart when he decided he was totally okay with killing his own people, but that was the stated objective.

>>31055474
Bullshit, it was being provoked by the same people who started the "people's uprisings" in Libya and Egypt, utilizing Islamic theocratic shitstains.
Assad knew that it would only end with a boxcutter up his ass.

>>31052993
>>31054274
Please tell me, if the operation had gone sideways due to any number of the reasons it could have gone sideways (actually not bin Laden, quick response by Pakistan to an incursion right next to their military academy, civilian casualties, helicopter cra- wait, that actually happened), who would be blamed? The team that went in, or the president who ordered them to go there?

If you're still not sure, ask Jimmy Carter about Operation Eagle Claw.

>>31050594
>Yo whitey, so you have a wallet? Me and mah hommie Saud think it belongs to us.

American foreign policy becomes a lot more comprehensible when you remember it's a country ruled by a nigger.

>>31055653
You mean mexicans and pedophilic 80 year olds.

>>31055653
it's been this way for over half a century though, since Eisenhower

>>31055521
Wait, are you telling that if moderate civic discourse is shut down for half a century in a country, the only major opposition left is fundie religious folk? Gee, who'd have thunk?

>>31055713
I'm saying when it comes to the dictator and the islamic fundies who oppose him, I'd rather deal with the dictator. I don't care if he gasses Muslims by the truckload to keep that country stable, because the last thing we need is another sharia ruled shithole.

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>>31050624
Ooooo, scary!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XArPxYnRRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s77cqabHsM

>>31055521
The record of the uprisings is pretty clear, as were their demands. Sure, groups like the Muslim Brotherhood backed the uprisings, complete with an expectation that they would get a slice of the reformed political pie, but that didn't make them the default winners if it were successful. They only won the election in Egypt because the secular choices were either old guard military similar to what they just overthrew and a secular democratic guy that was disappointing to other secular democratic people, splitting the vote. That ended badly for them explicitly because they pushed so hard for their way that even the secularists were okay with going back to military rule.


That paradigm doesn't apply to Libya, which is mostly a bunch of tribal bullshit.

>>31055749
>another sharia ruled shithole.
Name one.

Oh wait, Saudi Arabia! A US ally run by autocrats who spent 40 years spreading the most poisonous forms of Islam!

>>31055845
They'll get theirs, someday.
Just because that cancer is allowed at this time doesn't mean we need more.

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>>31055845
>the most poisonous forms of Islam

>>31055859
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

>>31049399
Do you just ignore all information, in favour of protecting your sanity from your own retardation?

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>>31055891
Yeah. All those "moderate", not so poisonous forms of Islam look much better in contrast. Did you ever want to cosplay as a moderate beheader, rapist and mass murderer? Look no further! Convert to Islam YESTERDAY and blow yourself up TOMORROW.

>>31055856
That's bullshit. They shouldn't have been allowed to start, like a lot of the shit the US did or overlooked in the name of fighting commies.

>>31055940
>Did you ever want to cosplay as a moderate bigamist, rapist and mass murderer? Look no further! Convert to Christianity YESTERDAY and blow little girls up TOMORROW.

Every religion of a billion+ people has some insane branches. They just usually don't get billions in state sanctioned funding.

>>31056009
>They shouldn't have been allowed to start
Sure, but they have. Got a time machine? Because then we could go back and shoot the Sauds during WWI.
Or hell, go back to the 600s and cap that Muhammed bastard and head all this off before it began.

>>31049059
>Implying we give a fuck what the UN thinks.

>>31050824
Www.baitme.com

>>31048818
>It's then reported that president Obama shoved all American F22s into his anus, whimpering prayers to Allah. Reports confirm that his anus resembled "kuwait last time we visited."

>>31049092
Yeah, we'll just send the Popo to arrest delta force. That'll go over great.

>>31056031
Oh, fuck you, half the thread is second guessing choices already made. What does it matter if it's Obama 5 years ago or Eisenhower/Truman 50 years ago?

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>>31056009
Damn son, all those suicide bombing Christians in the streets.
Actually, you gave a great example. The difference between the two is that in Christianity you're acting against the religion itself while in Islam you're following the rules down to the letter. In other words, a beheading and raping mass murderer is the very definition of a Muslim while you couldn't be further from it in Christianity. And you thought you were so clever.

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>>31056121
There are more ways to murder than with suicide bombing

>>31056033

if "we" don't, then why did the Bush administration try so very hard to get the UN's approval?

>>31056121
>while in Islam you're following the rules down to the letter.
And yet there are a billion people who disagree with you about their religion.

>>31056231
>a billion people
I believe you.

>>31048829
>trying to shoot down an American fighter

>not believing that American rules this planet

>trying to fight against America, ever

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>>31056231
For core principles, the main actor who you can appeal to in Islam is a rampaging warlord. In Christianity it is some meek dude weed lmao guy.
The "founding fathers" couldn't be any more different.

>>31051388
Nope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_resolutions_concerning_Syria

>>31049306
>Remember when Russia declared war on Georgia and Ukraine? Me neither.
It wasn't a war, it was a one-sided curbstomp inflicted by the Rooskies.

>>31048829
>Syrians has all legal rights to shoot down any foreign military aircraft in their fucking airspace.
I agree.

But I wonder, can ISR drones see far enough into Syria to support the conflict zones from over Turkey or Iraq?

>>31053559
neither does the US

>>31056009
>They just usually don't get billions in state sanctioned funding.
Neither did they in 615 and they were still intolerant pricks back then

>>31057241
Ukies and Georians started the shit though

>>31050680
>>31055353
Won't be the first time when outdated Soviet missile locks on and shots down a 200 million dollar stealth fighter from a distance of 40 miles

>>31057638
>UKR: I don't like the deals we get with Russia and want to join the rest of the world via the EU
>RU: FUCK YOU YOU'RE NEVER LEAVING ME

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>>31056231

>>31049110
who the fuck cares what the US recognise
I don't recognise the Obama regime

>>31057675
It's a bit selective to point out their words that mean "lying" as if it means anything. Like, fuck, I try to be as honest as I can, and deceit by omission is something I'll literally do for kicks (yeah I don't have much luck with women) or to gauge how a person might feel about something (I know a bit about guns, watched a few documentaries). If I'm telling an interviewer that I quit my last job to search for a more flexible job, which is true since I did want something more flexible, when in reality it was mostly because I hated my job and basically ragequit out of spite towards my employers, it exactly fits the language requirements to be "kitman".

There are so many better points you could use against islam than their differing definitions of "lying/liar". Maybe their shitty nepotistic hierarchy or something.

>>31049353
>they have all kinds of nations and insurgents running around and the USA being there is generally the least of their problems.
>USA being there is generally the least of their problems.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

USA ALWAYS THE GOOD GUYS

>>31057638
yes, everyone is an enemy of peaceful russia, illegaly occupying their own territory

>>31057741
He could, but, what he's referring to is very specific in the Quaran. It very specifically says it's for dealing with Infidels, and why. That is, to defeat them.

>>31048576
Why did they use image out of Ace combat tho?

>>31053365
Most of the US backing in Syria has been to the SDF the past few months.

The FSA doesn't really exist anymore except as an umbrella term anymore.

>>31055940
Kys retard

>>31051101
It is called bait, the may well of been to try to get the Iran's go out to meet the Predator. They did not have very modern radar at the time so it is likely they did see the F-22 till they got very close.

>>31057780
If I was an SAA soldier I'd be more worried about being domed by a kurd or being sent in a pointless unsupported attack on a captured military base held by rebels that will blow my limbs apart with ATGMs or cut my apart if they did manage to capture me
Hell I'd be praying for a US bomb to land on my head and let me leave my shit life behind if I were an SAA soldier, maybe if they keep up their moronic attacks on the other neutral (Kurds) faction we might see that happen

>>31048576
man this war is not going to end is it unless usa and russia openly fight

usa is supporting the "moderate" rebels and the russian and chinese are supporting assad

also with the american air presence this and there being an accident it could lead to a war

>>31058553
It will end one way or the other after the US election.

>>31048753
All pilots understand english. It is a international requirement. Especially F-4 pilots which for a long time were US trained veterans. They're probably too old for duty now though.

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>>31058553
US and Russia
>didn't go to war over cuba
>didn't go to war over vietnam
>didn't go to war over afghanistan

No but you're right anon. Surely this time there is just simply too much at stake for them not to fight.

>>31058904
The election will be the tipping point.

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>>31050811

Itt: people that don't recognize propaganda

>>31059850
it is much more real now than in 1963. people who'd seen the war have either died or retired from power at this point

>>31058287
>journalists are smart

No idea. Why would a barely computer literate journalism major google "F-22" and use one of the first results they saw?

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not a surprise

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>>31061292
that they

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>>31061303
were scared

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>>31061292
>>31061303
>>31061318
>he obsesses over aircraft
>he has never operated an aircraft
>he doesn't even have a pilot's license.

>>31050811
>Conversely, Obama WAS offered bin Laden on a plate. But that was as a result of his own administration's two-year long intelligence gathering effort, which created circumstances where they knew they had him dead to rights--and that still required Obama to make the decision to impose on the sovereignty of a nominal ally (the one that Bush spent years buttering up, and gave him nothing on bin Laden for his troubles).
You seriously believe in that fairytale?