308 Win vs 30-06

>>31047868

Do you want to hunt or to shoot ?

308 is less expensive and marginally more accurate.

30-06 handles heavier bullet better, which is practical for hunting because is makes for a wider range of loads in the same gun. Although this is now defeated for the most part by the progress of bullet technology and terminal ballistic.

>>31047868
If you handload .30-06, it becomes the bullet equivalent of a Super Saiyan

75% target 25% hunting.

Go with the .308 if not hunting dangerous game. Also rethink the 700

>>31047868
Don't get a 700. Get something good.

If you're looking to hunt game like elk, .30-06 is way better than a .308 because you can easily find heavy bullet loadings for it that whoop the pants off .308 loadings. I'm talking 180 grain bonded cores at 2850 fps. If you live in an area where whitetail deer are the only prevalent game animal, then I'd get a .308 and feel satisfied.

>stupid fudds recommending 30-06

Unless you're handloading this is stupid. Factory 30-06 has no advantage over factory .308.

.308 is the best short action.

.30-06 is not the best long action.

>>31048409
Yes, mostly going after Deer. Maybe a moose if it charges

>>31048440
If you live in an area with Moose I'd recommend .30-06 very highly. A 220 grainer will pass through consistently and drop one quite expertly. I've killed 2 elk with 180 grainers here in Oregon and both were one shot kills. As far as deer goes, a 150 grain Federal Fusion or any of the Ballistic tipped bullets works great.

Or just get two rifles, one with a heavy barrel for target shooting in .308 and a classic stalking rifle in .30-06 since where there's moose there's bears and I wouldn't take the risk with a caliber that you can usually only find 165s as the heaviest loads for.

is 30-06 good enough for wild boars

>>31048500
Both are excellent Pig rounds. Use a 165 grain all copper like the X-Bullet by Barnes or the GMX by Hornady or the E-Tip by Nosler. They stay together well which can be a problem on Hogs when shooting broadside. Very tough bones and muscle tissues.

You can go with either one. Hunting bullets cost about the same and the difference in performance is so minor that nothing you shoot will know the difference.

>But '06 can into heavy bullets

I don't know why you'd give a fuck unless you're sexually attracted to lead. Copper hollow points always penetrate and always expand, and again, nothing you shoot will know the difference.

Go .308 if you want to shoot surplus every once in a while, go .30-06 if you want greater protection against ammo shortages. That being said, I don't know why you'd bother with a Remington 700 when there are much cheaper rifles that are as accurate if not moreso, or better rifles in the same price range. If you just want a 700 or have a discount or something, more power to you, but I'd look at Savage/Ruger/Winchester/Weatherby pretty damn hard regardless.

>>31048539
On copper bullets, I'd say that you're overstating their effectiveness. Most won't open well under 2000 fps, and are really a poor choice in a relatively slow round like the .308 at longer ranges.

And yeah, Ruger, Winchester and Weatherby would be the rifles I recommend the most highly. Tikka as well since they have an accuracy guarantee, are very light, and most are stainless steel.

>>31048565
>2000 fps

That's, what, a 300 yard shot? 400? I don't know why you'd bother shooting that far at game with a non-magnum, but yes, I suppose in that situation lead would be superior.

i use .308 because .308 is easier to say than 30-06.

>>31047868
Whats the accuracy difference like between .308 and .30-06? Will both have a pretty good shot grouping at long distances?

>>31048424
>Im full of shit the post
Orlynow
30-06 is heavier and packs a bigger punch.

>>31048539
>nothing you shoot will know the difference

I had that same mentality until I shot a moose (in the lung at that) with a .30-30 and ended up getting chased all the way back to my cabin.

Yes, sometimes they do know the difference.

.243 or .270 are excellent deer rounds. .308 and 30-06 are better for bigger animals, Depends on how good you are. I have a tikka t3 lite in 30-06 and I'd use it on anything in the states. Heavier. more punch, Cost around the same price ammo wise.
30-06 will have a bigger arc but its fine, youre not trying to hit shit at 500+ yards and if you are and its animals youre a fucking idiot taking a shot like that.

>>31048654
Hey man, I wouldn't choose to do that either. But some people try to use their .308s to shoot at game at like 600 yards. In that situation an all copper bullet would likely not kill the animal instantaneously due to a lack of expansion and you'll likely lose the animal.

I live in elk country, so I would go .30-06.

>>31048735
Accuracy is about the same, but a sight edge goes to .308 IIRC. Regardless, both can shoot sub moa assuming you're shooting the right bullets in the right gun and you're a good shot.

>>31048769
>Moose
>.30-30
Okay, first off, I was specifically talking about the difference between .308 and .30-06, which is minor. .30-30 is significantly weaker than both.

Second, why in the fuck were you going after a moose with a .30-30?

I've loaded 218 grain powder coated lead bullets for my 308 with decent success. They don't fit in the magazine, so you have to single load then, but they're fun. They don't group as well as the 165 grain Hornaday loads, but hitting a 6" plate at 400 yards is good enough for me.

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>>31047868
Neither, .300 savage. Best of both worlds

The bigger question, strictly for targets and pest control (including boars) should I buy my self a nice .308, or just keep plinking with my .303?

Tikka t3 hunter with the wood stock is much nicer than the 700. 30.06 is nice but the .308 will be cheaper to shoot and get in bulk

>>31048500
Might as well have an AK if you're just exterminating boars.

>nobody has suggested .300wm
Get a .300wm.
Kill anything, first shot, every time.

>>31050004
Fuck that pushy shit, go 338 LM or maybe even 408 cheytac.

>>31050044
Pussy shit.
Fuck you phone you can't censor me.

>>31050044
Good luck finding a cheytac rifle that doesn't cost >$3000.

>>31047868
>Looking to get a R700

Then you're stupid

>>31048969
Except that factory ammo is expensive and is only viable if you are going to reload.

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I've shot a lot of .308 and I find it hard to believe that some people in here are saying it can only take down deer.

Are elks and bears covered in body armor or something? .308 hits hard af. From hearing some people in here, you'd think the animal would just walk through it.

>>31051463
When it comes to the larger browns, the extra capacity that .30-06 provides makes a difference. Yes, you could shoot it with a .308, but it is not recommended.

>body armor

In many ways, yes, a grizzly is covered in body armor. You want every extra ounce of performance when hunting something that will hunt you right back.

>>31047868
.308 has been my hunting round for a few years. it has yet to let me down. Killed a deer with 30-06 recently, it also did fine. really, both work.

>>31051463
Wilderness patrols in Greenland and northern Canada use .30-06 for polar bears. Not .308. You might only get one shot against Earth's largest living land predators so you want to err on the side of overkill.

>>31047868
Get something in 7.92x57mm Mauser ;^)

>>31047868
You can always shoot .308 in a 30-06, it wont be vert accurate though and the cases will be basically neckless when ejected

>>31053131
That would honestly be a decent option in Europe, but .30-06 is better and far more available here in Clapistan.

>>31053107
The Sirius sledge teams use 30-06 because that's what the surplus rifles they use were rechambered in during the American occupation years.
The Canadian northern patrols use .303 british and .308.

All this talk of .308 and 30-06 makes me want to get an AR10.

>>31051463
>hard to find bullets over 165 grains meant for hunting
>recommended sectional density for elk sized game and bears is over .270

It's not always about hitting stuff. .308 is really not a very powerful round where hunting is concerned and if you think that's not true then you just don't know hunting very well. Shoot an elk with your 150 grain spire point that loses its jacket after 5 inches of penetration and you will cry when that trophy bull wanders for 8 miles and you never find it.

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>>31053148
that sounds like a terrible idea anon

>>31049880
If you reload, the difference is marginal, with .311/.312 bullets being more expensive than .308 and everything else being the same. At max pressure, a .303 case will last longer simply by virtue of lower pressure, excepting chamber and headspace issues.

If you don't reload and shoot a fair bit, I would consider a .308 just due to the lack of surplus .303 British, at least in much of the US. I can get PPU .303 for $18-20 a box, or .308 Win for $12-14.

>>31048475

I run this in my m1a.

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/rifle.aspx?id=809

It works great.

If you can't kill it with a 308 you should have called in artillery.

>>31047868
Unless yourre experienced enough to squeeze the extra ballistic potential out of 30-06 and have enough money to practice regularly with it, go .308.

>>31055962
true facts right here kids

308 seems really powerful because it would obliterate a human target but we're really not very robust.

for dangerous game i go with 338 winmag. same action length as 3006 but packs a tremendous punch, plus accurate in the field out to 6/700 yards

>>31056167
At that point you may as well step up to .50BMG. It's only slightly more expensive.

>>31055697
Why no modern semi auto in 30-06?

If your gonna fuck with .30-06 you may aswell just go .300wm.

>>31056659
The difference is literally triple the energy though. .338 Win Mag gets bullets with sectional densities of .300 or higher going with 4000 ft lbs muzzle energy. It's a great all around round when the game is mean or just plain big.

I swear /k/ is full of uneducated faggots who think that mil spec is the only thing that exists in the gun world.

>>31047868
You can take any game animal on the North American continent with 30.06. If you reload you can probably do the same thing with .308. Both are a little light for old grizz, maybe for moose too, but it's doable. If you're going to shoot targets too it still doesn't really matter, both can go under 1moa to 1000 yards. If you reload there's plenty of brass and bullets for both out there. Get whichever one you can find brass for the easiest. You don't need a magnum.

>>31057502

Google H-car.

>>31057502
Noreen makes one, but the different magazines are all $85.

>Looking to get a R700
get a good rifle instead.

>old timers are telling me
don't listen to them.

>>31057502
.30-06 is no fun in a semi-auto

>>31048755
barely, not enough to matter and often there's no difference at all.

>>31047868
>Looking to get a R700
Don't.

>I like the accuracy of 308, but old timers are telling me to go 30-06.
>Experiences? Options?
7mm Rem Mag

>>31055697
I'll tell ya hwhat.
They need to hurry the fuck up and make 5.56 mags with rear extension tabs so they can work in AR10 mag wells and self contained hotswappable buffer tubes that attach via HK style no-lose pins. Then you can just build a 5.56 AR10 upper and finally have a gun that is actually modular/multipurpose.

>>31060357
Few seconds after I posted this
>>31058522
I Googled 30-06 pmag and found out magpul is coming out with one soon. This whole thread is great though since I never knew a lot of these options existed.

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.30-06 is more versatile all tbe way around than 308 & 700. All 3 have their merits & their faults, but if you can only choose 1, go witb the .30-06. You'll always have a load for your situation.

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>>31048435
>6.5x284mm Norma
>6.5x47mm Lapua
>6.5 Creedmoor
>.243 Winchester
>7.62x57mm Mauser
>.260 Rem

.308 Win is a good cartridge. It is by far not the best short action cartridge.

If for hunting the mighty "thirty ought sit the fuck down" is the choice. For anything else 308

You should get a browning xbolt in 30-06. I've shot a tikka t3 that is my buddies he has a xbolt as well but I prefer the xbolt he has. So I got my own. Only bad thing is lack of after marker. I personally think it is the best stock rifle. Excellent trigger

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>>31064046
Why do u prefer the Xbolt ?

>most of you are retarded
if you need more than 150 grains to drop a deer your just a shit shot.

>>31048881
>but a sight edge goes to .308 IIRC.
Why would that be?

>>31059540
Yeah, youre a fucking idiot.

Why would you want a Remington 700??

If you can find an old one go for it. But the brand new 700's are dogshit. You can thank freedom group for that

308 all day. If you require the ballistic difference between the 308 and 3006, you really should just get a 300 wm.

>>31047868
If it were me, I'd get a Tikka T3 in .308

Moose are not elk retards. Not even close, moose are fucking enormous. Elk are just really big deer. Moose can weigh over twice what an elk can.

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>>31062487
>7.62x57mm Mauser

>>31047868
I'm also interested in the answers. If anyone also has experience with the .303 british, please describe your experience.

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>>31057502
I've told them too already...

>>31057511
what does that do to it's barrel life? I cannot imagine getting more than a 1000 without the accuracy starting to plummet.

>>31047868
Are you engaging soldiers wearing L3 plates?
>Y: use 30-06 AP
>N: use .308

>>31047868
If you need a full-power cartridge in a semi-auto platform, go with .308

>>31047868
looks like you are doing more target shooting than hunting so I would go with a .308 unless you are trying to shoot elk at 500 yards or a moose. If you are going to be doing that type of thing go with the 30-06. Personally I am going to get a Ruger American in 30-06 for deer and elk, but that is going to be a dedicated hunting rifle. I might have to take my AK out for deer some time just to piss off fudds and libtards though.

>>31053107
I know a guy who was a submariner back in the 80s, he told me about the time they went up into the arctic to the north pole and how they had guys with m14s for polar bear defense and guys with shotguns and slugs as well. Apparently the boat could carry hollow points for the m14s but they could only be loaded for polar bear defense. He has some awesome stories.

>>31067060
Moose are the biggest deer

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>>31057502
http://www.molot-usa.com/product_info.php/cPath/26/products_id/57

New 30-06 Vepr

>>31067163
Velocity is quite low, and bullet weight is high, so you should get decent barrel life compared to something like an ultra magnum. You'll probably never shoot it out because a sporting gun in that caliber is usually pretty brutal to shoot.

>>31048435
>.308 is the best short action.
>I'm from the 1950s and I'm still wrong

>>31063499
>For anything else 308
For anything except mid to long range shooting where you've restricted yourself to these two choices. If you want to launch heavies with decent BCs get the OUGHT DICKS.

>>31067823
and its wood, which means its okay

>>31047868
loves me some thirty ought six

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>>31050044
>408 cheytec
>not 20mm Garand

Anon pls.

>>31067163
Protip you are going to shoot a 338WM rifle less than 20 times a year