New Glock 17M recalled for slide falling off

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Hahahaha how they fuck it up, they change almost nothing and fuck it up.

>>31041799
Actually they changed a bunch internally. Totally different recoil system, different barrels, and two-pin frames are notable ones.

The problem is Glock apparently doesn't test their new shit before shipping it out

>>31041815
two pin?

>>31041815
Isn't the 2 pin thing just going back to an older design? I thought the gen1's were two pin. And the recoil system just looks like the gen4 version.

Are they actually new things? or old things that don't play well together?

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>>31041763
Well, there's always the USP...

>>31041834
See the gun in the photo in the first post? Count the pins in the frame.

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>>31041834
Modern Glocks have three pins in the frame. These 17M pistols use the old style two-pin frame for some reason.

>>31041867
Yeah it's an older design. From what I understand, they used two pins up until early Gen 3, when they added the third pin. I really have no idea why the 17M uses the two-pin frame.

>>31041867
>And the recoil system just looks like the gen4 version.
For some reason, they made the recoil spring assembly a little longer and everything is cut a little differently in the frame and barrel to accommodate it.
http://www.guns.com/2016/08/16/more-info-on-the-glock-17m-bubbles-to-the-surface-6-photos/

>>31041867
>And the recoil system just looks like the gen4 version.
>Are they actually new things? or old things that don't play well together?

Also yes, it's a new recoil assembly that was specifically requested.

From TFB, changes include

A new tougher finish
Changes in the rifling
Longer recoil spring assembly
Reinforced forward notch for the recoil spring assembly
A smoother trigger similar to the G42/43
Flared magwell
No finger grooves
Changes in the safety plunger
Ambidextrous slide release
Magazines have an extended front lip
Magazine well cutout
Beveled muzzle

>>31041763
perfection

>>31041815
Why would they test them?
Glock fanboys will rush out to buy the shit no matter what.

>PERFECTION

>>31041869
why would they replace garbage with worse garbage?

>>31041945
These were directly shipped to two major LE agencies though. I would expect this from Glock if these were commercial guns, but not for a big contract.

>>31041892
>>31041897
Seems like a dumb move to me, I get most of the changes, barrel rifling, magwell, ambi slide release. I would think you'd want the rest of the shit as close as possible to the current line up for parts compatibility. But I guess thats why I'm not a genius ballistics engineer making the big bucks.

>>31041897
>>31041763
Honestly it looks like they toog the 1980's Gen1 and gave it a modern overhaul. If it worked I'd be interested.

>TFW own an in the box Gen1 G17 and see no reason to get a newer model.

>>31041869
Own an earlier USP45 as well, the Glock and the USP are both fine guns, but the SP grip angle facilitates point shooting and the .45 super capability makes it the winner. Four rounds of capacity isn't worth using the G17 over the HK

So when the Gen 5 glocks are released, which incorporates all of the changes for the 17M/19M, just wait 2 years for them to fix all of the problems?

>>31041979
Why would LE care about parts compatibility? Their contract covers all the spare parts they'd ever need and Glock will support the pistols so long as they have them.

Commercially it would suck to have to buy proprietary Glock parts, but it doesn't matter to LE.

>>31041992
I don't have a USP but I do have a P2000, and I fucking love that pistol. Have had a lot of Glocks but I like the P2000 a lot better. The two extra rounds in a Glock 19 (same size as the P2000) is the only thing I miss.

>>31042019
I meant for Glock, so they don't have to make a bunch of new bullshit, and then keep track of what inventory goes with what when orders come in.

>>31042042
Oh, alright. These changes were specifically requested by the FBI and IPD, they weren't Glock's choice. Apparently Glock themselves didn't like some of the changes but included them only because they were required as per the contract.

Don't expect to see most of this when Gen 5 rolls around.

>>31042010
Yep. Just like the Gen4.

>>31041897

christ with that list it would've been much easier to just have adopted the god damn sig p320 and not have to deal with potential issues with changing the glock

the only thing that annoys me about my sig p320 is that it's chunky and it's not a true "from the ground up" striker fired platform based on the higher bore axis. But I guess it's alright since holsters and grip modules designed for the hammer fired P250 works with the P320.

>>31042010
The one I've learned from Glock is to never, ever buy one of their pistols on release because they always fuck something up. Wait at least a year or so to publicly deny there's a problem and silently roll revisions into their production like and unfuck whatever it is they're denying.

>G36
>G42
>G43
>entire Gen 4 launch
>MOS pistols ejecting optics

Nothing they've released in the last decade has been good to go on launch.

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>>31041892
>>31041897
What's the reasoning behind the longer recoil spring assembly? If it came farther out the front of the slide like a stand-off device, I could understand. This just seems like change for the sake of change.

>>31041763
Glock fanboys will defend this as an issue with dry fire and claim they work fine with live fire.

>>31042235
I have no idea why the contract called for a longer recoil assembly. Doesn't make sense to me.

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>>31041869
If USPs and HK pistols in general became standard issue for police departments, federal agencies, etc., etc., would their price drastically reduce because of all the trade ins that will inevitably occur?

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>>31042194
>>MOS pistols ejecting optics
>mfw my brand new trijicon flew back into my face and into a river at night
Never found it after that...

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>>31042400
I'm sorry anon...

>>31042400
Glock should owe you for that.

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>>31042400
Jesus.

>>31042194
You skipped .45 GAP.

The answer nobody was looking for to a problem that never existed.

>>31042194
>>G36
>>G42
>>G43
>>entire Gen 4 launch
>>MOS pistols ejecting optics
There weren't any issues around the Glock 43 launch. By its roll out, they had already hammered out tons of issues with the Glock 42, which shared nearly the same design. Not sure about the Glock 36, and I've never heard of MOS pistols ejecting optics.

>>31042658
There's nothing inherently wrong with .45 GAP, though. Those guns work just fine without any serious malfunctions are breakages.

>>31042739
>There weren't any issues around the Glock 43 launch

They had issues with malfunctions and the sights rusting at launch. IV8888 mentioned these in their early review, which Glock wasn't happy about. They were fixed quickly though. IV8888 did an update video explaining the internal revisions and changes to the magazines, and now everyone on that channel loves them.

The G36 was a pile of shit when it was first released and to this day remains the only Glock that is not 100% reliable. Despite the many revisions, they still have occasional problems. They're by no means unusable, but they don't enjoy the same reliability as the rest of the series.

Early MOS pistols had the mounts manufactured incorrectly and would send optics flying. Google it for a bunch of reports. Anon here >>31042400 had the same happen to him.

Yeah there was nothing wrong with the GAP pistols.

>>31041763
Wtf i hate Glock now

now #I'mWithH&K

So much for "GLOCK Perfection"

>>31042857
you don't even own a glock.

wth.

>>31041763
Recall? Don't you mean product upgrade?

>>31041869

>requires an adapter to use the fucking accessory rail

Jesus christ HK...

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Literally AND I DO MEAN LITERALLY

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>>31044763

>dat bore axis...
>$40+ magazines

nah...

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>>31044773
>bore axis

I can always count on a retard to actually say this.
>I don't make too much of sharp turns on my nissan versa because the center of gravity will cause the car to tilt and topple over

This is how you sound. Have you ever shot a 1911 by any chance? Didn't think so.

>>31044787

>sigfag damage control because sig was lazy with the P320 using the same shitty high slide design of the P250 when a true striker gun doesn't actually require such a shitty design

fucking kek

>>31044753
USP was made over a decade ago and that rail it has was slated to be one of the more popular designs. But it lost the consumer war for accesories, so now they make adapters.

We also all thought .40sw would replace .45 and 9mm, but we were wrong about that too. Cut them some slack.

>>31044753
You're trolling, right?

>>31044828
He's right tho

Thats a proprietary accessory rail that nothing uses.

Hk sells an adapter to use regular accessories, but it leaves a huge adapter on your carry gun.

>>31044856
Jesus fucking...
See >>31044819 you stupid Motherfucker, are you seriously that fucking dumb?

>WAAAAAH! My C96 doesn't have an accessory rail and aftermarket support! Such shit, why did they even bother? Why didn't they just use Glock?

The first Glocks didn't have ANY rail, why not compare apples to apples

>>31042355
>>31042235
The reason for longer recoil assemblies is assume is reduced recoil (if I understand the cha he it's like how the recoil on a SCAR is longer than that of an AR, making felt recoil way more pleasant).

>>31044753
>expecting a pistol from the mid 90's to have a standard rail.
H&K's USP created a rail on a pistol where there was none before. if anything, H&K might have updated it to a normal 1913 rail, but people buy the USP anyway so why bother.

>>31044913

Glock hasn't made Gen2s for decades...why would HK not update their USP to actually be a modern handgun? Seems retarded as fuck.

>>31044763
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ANYTHING

>>31044929
HK45, P2000, need I go on? You fucking dipshit.

>>31044819
So thanks for prooving my point. Gen 2 Glock wrapped up production like 15 years ago.

Hk is overbuilt shit that is an engineering exercise of a $750 mass produced plastic pistol. They are not designed by shooters

>>31044950

>HK45 with less capacity than the USP

Wow, what an upgrade!

>>31044950
Oh yeah P2000....There is a real groundbreaking design!

>>31044929
>>31044929
Yeah until you realize that they have to essentially replace vital machinery to an over 20 year old gun design. It's way easier plus cheaper to just not change anything and sell an adapter.

>>31044964
But muh handfeels

>>31044929
Because unlike Glock HK can make more than one gun and doesn't have to update the same design?

>>31042400
>he fell for the Glock meme

K E K
E
K

>>31042831
>plastic sights
>rusting

Ok

>>31044963
Again, thats like being upset that the berettas from the 80's don't come with rails. It's a design of it's time, and having gripes about is sort of pointless.

Also, being overbuilt makes them last. Some people don't like having to buy replacement parts or whole new guns every so often. Some people actually shoot their guns, and like it when they dont break or FTF. It's a main selling point of many pistols that aren't marketed towards mall ninjas and other wannabe operators.

>>31044763
has Sig developed functional extractor technology yet?

>>31044963
>not designed by shooters

They're designed by engineers that build shit that works.

Pistols like Les Baer and Dan Wesson 1911s are designed by shooters and they completely suck for everything except being a range toy and """"competition"""". Often they also last about a single mag before they need some gunsmith work done to them.

>>31045112
Can confirm about Les Baers. Seen 2 that for 2200 and 2700 should certainly not have been beaten in both function and accuracy by a worn Series 70.

>>31042019
Don't worry bro, its the first 3 that count more than the last 2.

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>>31045112
Can object, I EDC my Baer on and off duty and never have any problems with it. It continually performs flawlessly during practice and training where my coworkers Glocks, S&W's, and Sigs inevitably suffer at least one malfunction*. My only complaint would be that it's tighter than a Mormon's ass and as such a bit of a bitch to take apart. My fault really for getting the inch and a half guarantee.

*It's Law Enforcement, so I might conceivably be the only one who has mastered the art of basic maintenance.

>>31044773
BOREAXESES doesn't matter for people who can actually shoot.

>>31041763
Come on Indy, go Sig.

>>31044787
>>bore axis
>
>I can always count on a retard to actually say this.

I don't notice a whole lot of difference when shooting, but all that slide and frame above the grip means that the entire handgun is larger than it needs to be. For the compact and subcompact models, that's a negative.

>>31044964
>HK45 with a more ergonomic grip that fits more hands well

>>31045268
Huh, wonder why it's so overblown on /k/...

>>31045310
Either way, whether they notice the difference or not, the bore axis IS bad ;)


What actually bothers me is the laziness on the slide's design. It borders on Hi Point levels of bad, except that Hi Point C9s actually need a slide that large to cycle.

>>31041992
>pointability
>.45 super
nah

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>tfw have a USP
>held a Glock
>enjoyed the finger grooves

I think I need to buy a Gen4.

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>>31045481
The fuck? How are those mutually exclusive? Explain your bullshit.

>>31045231
>Pic related every time a cop says anything negative about a weapon.
Also, what did you pay for the 1911 and can you give us more first hand experience? What are your groups at 10yds? 25? 100? Favorite load? Shortcomings? Does it require hot ammo due to slide fit?

>>31045098
>>31044763
Fucking no. We have 3 on our range and all have sub 2k rounds and fucking broke dick extractors on them. Fuck the 320 and fuck Sig for their Hi-Point tier bore axis

>>31044787
That just proves you don't shoot at fucking all. Other wise you'd notice how a Hi Point and any sig gun feels the same when shooting. A tall mass of steel chugging back and forth doesn't make for easy follow up shots

>>31044819
>We also all thought .40sw would replace .45 and 9mm

you mean it hasn't? a lot of police departments use it

>>31045522
I have a USP and a G19G4. I don't know which one feels better.

>>31046373
FBI switched back to 9

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>>31046360
>A tall mass of steel chugging back and forth doesn't make for easy follow up shots

Bruce Gray (someone who knows more and shoots more than you) kindly disagrees. Get learnt

https://youtu.be/L0XzG7aq-9g?t=262

>>31042359

Not drastically but yes. But keep in mind that I could purchase multiple USP's in .40 and .357 SIG for $450-500 right now

>>31045112
Hk works great. But it's a big clunky mess. Like if Mercedes Benz made Hi Points.


DW and LB 1911's are just 1911's which are all tempremental fetish objects bought entirely by emotion instead of reason by people who approach ownership of handguns like they would approach ownership of a fancy swiss watch.

>>31046573
>Makes money making Sigs shoot better than some overpriced monkey shit outdated design.

Why do they need Bruce Gray in the first place?

>>31046373
Because police departments a stupid and driven by beurocrats, bean counters, and politics.

>>31046531
Which one performs better for self defense?

"hand feels" is a stupid way to pick a gun.

>>31044787
Bore axis is a thing you daft cunt. It does have a fairly significant on muzzle flip and felt recoil.

>>31045054
except beretta HAS updated their design on their 80s models

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>>31042831
I've got the 30s which is the 36 slide on a 30 frame and it's been 100% so far.

>>31042739
Glock 36 should kill itself. We have the 30S now.

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>>31045678
>Also, what did you pay for the 1911
I think it was '98, so probably around $2.5k

>What are your groups at 10yds? 25? 100?
Decent, still okay, never tried it. I am not a group shooter.

>Favorite load? Does it require hot ammo due to slide fit?
For practice I generally use a 230 grain FMJ with 5.4 grains of W231 and an OAL of 1.225". They fire fine, hotter loads have fired fine and lighter loads have fired fine, down to about 5.1 grains of W231 where it starts to have trouble generating enough pressure to cycle.

>Shortcomings?
I once bought a bunch of plated bullets that I was assured "were pretty good bullets." They didn't feed, didn't shoot, and didn't always manage to stay together once the trigger was pulled. I sold them to said friend and am now assured they work just fine out of a revolver.

The barrel bushing is extremely tight and you need a wrench to get it off, you will not be disassembling it on the quick in the field.

>>31047267
And thats why they're also a good company

>>31041763
>MUH GLOCK RELIABILITY

Haha fuck off tactifags.

>>31047089
Performs better?

>>31041763
>the slides were falling off during dry fire training
>Own Glock
>Pull trigger
>Slide comes off
Working as intended. This is part of the Glock design.

Not gunsmith if I had to guess, the recoil spring may have pressed down on the take down bar and this dry firing it caused the slide to fall off

>>31046338
Then call Sig holy fuck

>GUNS BROKE JUST LEAVE IT AND COMPLAIN

>>31053436
He works at a range, stupid fuck probably can't even clean a gun let alone troubleshoot/call customer service

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>>31041763
Glock was due for a major lemon.
I don't know what they really needed to change. If something is simple and goes bang when you need it, why change it?
I still like all metal guns. If you run out of ammo you can still club someone down with them.

>>31055950
FBI apparently requested these changes. We will see if that is confirmed if it hasn't been already.