Ear and eye pro thread

>>31039913
double up on sound nullifiers?

>>31039913
That's part of the reason I bought subsonic stuff for my own personal things.

inb4 my hp9mm

Doubling up hearing protection is great. . . On paper. Lets say you combine plugs and electronic muffs. The plugs have a Db rating of 33, muffs of 25. You don't actually get 55db protection. You get about 36db. I've had tons of guys tell me they double up while shooting and their ears ring the same as just using plugs. Because plugs work best. Specifically the electronic ones. Electronic muffs are pretty amazing, but doubling up does very little.

Tl;dr, doubling up is dumb and you should feel dumb.

T. CHAOC certified hearing specialist.

>>31039913
op's pic related is what I have. they were like $40 on amazon

work great, I hate having to shout at the range, and they don't give you that stuffy head muffle like plugs

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Tested these on a converted bunker indoor range. Zero obstruction, perfect dampening. Incredible.

Used to wear OP's, still have them in case I ever need to listen closely to something while shooting but for competitions and casual range time I'm just wearing my earbuds from now on.

>>31039913
>Even the most expensive earpro is a fraction of the cost of the cheapest hearing aid
Sport ear disagrees.

>>31039969
>doubling up does very little
5dB is quite a lot.

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I'm interested in the HL Pro's, seem to be the best hearing protection for the price. However not a lot of reviews on them and afraid xbox huge might get in the way

I understand the sentiment behind wanting to protect your ears but I'll be damned if I believe I'll go deaf from no ears especially after having shot multiple thousands of rounds of 8mm Mauser and quite a bit of .458 winmag with no noticeable depreciation in hearing.

Instead of trying to bring the edge just fucking make a thread about buying ears and not how you need to because it makes 70 lifetimes of difference.

>>31039969
Well, isn't there a point past a certain amount where sound will just travel through your body and earmuffs doesn't make a difference?

Also, doubling up helps insures that if your muffs were to shift and lose seal inan indoor range, you don't fuck yourself. You know what, I think you're trying to mislead people in order to get hearing damage so that you get patients.

>>31039969

woah 5 whole db? doubling up from now on

>>31039969

From personal experience, it helps me since you'll be wearing eyepro which compromises the muff seal

>>31040059
range time they'll be fine, for HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG you can always get a different pair you'll never use

>>31039913
I use the electronic howard earpro plus either ear buds or plugs.

>>31040073
>no noticeable affect
You realize outside of having your eardrums rupture, hearing loss is slow and cumulative, right? As in you don't notice anything because you lose little by little, but you keep going and 10 years later, you find yourself not being able to hear a range of sounds that others can.

>>31040118
A foam insert will not compromise ear muff seals.

>>31039913
The best earpro I have is turning off my hearing aids.

>>31040186
I started shooting when I was 7 or 8 years old and I'm now in my late twenties. The shooting has had little to no effect. The reason I know this? I used to play music as a second job and the EXTENDED periods of very loud music was what caused it. The last time I was at the ENT clinic was long after I quit gigging and I still shoot a couple hundred rounds of assorted stuff from .357 to .30-30 and 8mm with no more loss of hearing. I've come to believe as long as you aren't fucking magdumping 30 mags at a time or only shooting full retard you won't see much depreciation. Even after extended periods of time.

>>31040073

Let me tell a story about hearing damage

>me, 19 years old, inna Iraq
>240b gunner on humvee
>patrol stops on way back to FOB
>PL wants to talk to some hadji
>push vehicles out into half ass security
>headset comms broken
>no earpro cause wanna hear Sgt Gordon
>sitting in turret scanning sector
>spit dip on myself
>paying attention to tobacco juice
>swear I hear the sound of rifle charging handle
>hey guys
>OH SHIT SMALL ARMS CONTACT
>first real engagement
>go cyclic on 240 as we unass area
>all good continue back to FOB
>walking back to trailer
>Sgt Gordon grabs me and starts screaming
>realize I hear completely nothing
>be deaf for full night and most of next day
>hearing comes back to normal
>come home from deployment doctor says slight hearing damage may get worse
>ten years later have noticeable hearing damage and permanent tinnitus

Please wear earpro.

I really want earpro that I can listen to music with. I shoot alone sometimes and it can get really lonely. Any recommendations?

>>31040594
refer to
>>31040518

>>31040611
The muffs in the OP have a 3.5mm jack on them.

>>31040667
Is it shit quality sound or good? I worry it'll sound like a cat scratching a post

>>31040657
Yeah. But from a physiological perspective, it's pretty much indisputable that the db level of gunfire is damaging to human hearing.

Like we know that "noises /this/ loud cause damage" and gunfire is /this/ loud. So to just point at your own anecdotal evidence is a little weak. Especially since you do in fact have hearing damage, but just attribute it to other things.

It's physically impossible for noises at this level (be it gun shots, live music, motors, machinery, etc) not to damage unprotected ears.

>>31040198
He's saying he DOES double up because the eyepro is what compromises seal. Not the earplug. Illiterate fuck.

>>31040695
At a low depreciable level if not sustaining lots of gunfire over a long period of time. What part of this do you not get? My hearing has gotten no worse because I'm not in a club for 6 or 7 hours with music as loud as gunfire and bass that could tear your eardrums apart if you're next to the speakers. Probably also glasspacks and no firewall insulation. That shit's a lot worse than gunfire as well. It's not like I'm firing a belt fed 8mm or a fuckin 20mm cannon. Let me ask you this, how much of your fire control was done on large automatic weapons, around large automatic weapons or with explosives or around explosives? I can understand why you cant hear but I'm not in the military or even an automatic state.

Also, if you can reload and fire off a beat up WWI battle rifle with enough speed to fuck your hearing up congratulations because we just found Lee Harvey Oswald. Good luck with that one.

Decibels are logarithmic


Every single decibel is incredibly more damaging than the last. I've personally used air blast and sound drivers to induce tinnitus in rats. dB is somehow really perplexing to laymen and even most trained scientists. Nobody gets it until you show microphotography damage of 157dB blast compared to 160.

Poor fucking rats

>>31040694
I mean they don't sound as good as actual audio headphones, but for dicking around at the range they are more than acceptable.

>>31040957
That's because the energy required to push air that much harder gets greater the higher you go. You're not going up by fractions of percents at that point. You're going hundreds of percentages over the base control.

>>31040980
Kk will buy

>>31039913

I wear earpro every time I shoot, but went 70% deaf in my right ear due to a virus. FUCK ME right? Mid-range hearing aid is $2400.

Mostly just venting my frustration, but OPs statement is true.

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>>31039913
Cigarette butts and safety squints is all you will ever need

>>31039913
WHAT?
>EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31040803
I just read this comment chain and I don't get it. Are you trying to tell him that he hasn't gotten ear damage because of gunfire? Are you trying to say that gunfire doesn't cause ear damage? Are you retarded?

>Want electronic earpro so friends and I don't have to shout to talk to each other
>none if them protect as well as normal foam plugs
The great dilemma

>>31041102
I believe he is saying that having made it into the second half of his twenties while working in clubs he hasn't noticed any hearing damage from shooting without ear protection.

I think he is drawing the conclusion that because gunfire isn't rapid/automatic it can't/won't cause damage. This is backed up by his 'I don't shoot full auto, and have no hearing loss observation.

Please correct me if I'm wrong
>And get back to us when you hit 40 with the results of your testing and a more comprehensive understanding of the concept 'cumulative'

>>31041195
>>31041102
It's not that it doesn't cause damage and I never said it did. My ears are past the ability of any gunfire not large and automatic to be highly detrimental to my hearing to the point I have to become autistic about becoming deaf. It's not nearly as big of an issue as anyone makes it out to be in the capacity it's mitigated socially as. This leads to the next part.

My entire point was quit shilling on ears when you know damn well 99% of /k/ isn't going to do enough sustained shooting to earcuck themselves. You're full of shit and you know it but the concern is dually noted.

>>31041247
7/10 bait 2bh, subtle kind of but too subtle and doesn't get you anywhere, just makes you look retarded

>>31041247

Thanks for spending so much time writing all that garbage

>>31040059
They're perfect with handguns as long your eye protection doesn't interfere, but are practically useless with long rifles - the stock gets in the way and moves the muff away from the ear.

>>31039969

protection's not additive partly because it's a log scale, but it's better than either on their own.

i wouldn't mind custom plugs if they weren't $3k

>>31040017
Hell, I mow my lawn wearing noise dampening earplugs. They work great and really seal off external noise.

>only person at work who wears plugs
>tinnitus in less than a year there
I hope it's just my jaw

>tfw I was an edgy teen that was too cool to wear hearing protection and popped my ear drum
It's been ringing ever since

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>>31039913
>Discuss good models, brands

I use Howard Leights and the ESS crossbow/suppressor kit. The suppressor frames are extremely thin that let you slide your eyepro on without interfering with the seal of the earpro's cups.

Extremely comfortable and it has anti fogging lens. iirc spent $70 on the set and got two frames, one clear, dark and amber piece of eyewear. Nutnfancy has a good review on it if it interests you.

>>31039969
>doesn't realize that db increases or decreases logarithmically
>doesn't realize that plugs and muffs filter out different frequencies

hearing specialist my ass

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Thinking of picking up Howard Leight by Honeywell Impact Pro. Anyone who has them, do you recommend?

Does the type of eye protection really matter? I see prices all over the place, anywhere from 7 to 100+. Other than comfort are they all the same in terms of protection?

>>31039969
3 dB is still a lot thanks to logarithms

>>31046676
He's either trolling or dumb.

>>31040109
That's normally referred to as bone conduction, at least when it travels through your skull. I don't know at what point it becomes an issue.

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>>31046671
You can get away with some 3M safety glasses from home depot that cost six bucks. But for protection, you want something that is ballistic rated. Wiley X, Oakley, ESS come to mind. After fucking around spending $40 on different cheap eye protection and seeing them break, find out they're not really fogproof as advertised, I decided to just buy >>31044496
and be done with it.

pic cannot be done with cheap safety glasses that don't have ballistic rated lenses. My train of thought is my eyes are irreplaceable and invaluable, I will gladly spend the $40 for a good pair of protective eyepro.

I just bought Sordins yesterday, should I just have purchased cheaper ear pro?

>>31046708
>should I just have purchased cheaper ear pro?

What model did you buy? I would say the only mistake you might have done was buy something with comms capability without the intention of using it. Chances are you did fine.

>>31040803
CSD student here, you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Certain sounds take sustained amounts of time to cause damage, like a lawnmower, but many others are loud enough they instantly cause damage. That threshold, IIRC, is below what a standard gun shot is, especially from a rifle. You lose your higher frequencies first, then your lower. You've already lost hearing and just don't realize it yet, I promise you. Go for your hearing tested.

>>31046708
Well ask yourself, how much are your ears worth?
Also, which model did you buy? NRR?

Earpro yes. Eyepro fucking never unless I'm forced. Been shooting a long time and have never once witnessed a need or situation for eyepro. Just gets in the way of hearing protection. Fucks up scope view. Fog up or smudge. Generally useless and awful.

>>31040059
I use these, they kick ssd.

They don't interfere with my AR, have to seat them a little higher on my head for traditional stocks.

Great pistol earpro for sure.

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>>31046738
>Just gets in the way of hearing protection.
>Generally useless and awful.

Then stop buying shitty eyepro and find good quality. It's 2016, there's literally no excuse other than being a lazy hick not to have good safety equipment.

I'm not going to sit down and lecture you on what you should or should not be doing but understand that what you posted is completely nonsensical.

>>31046749
The chances of something going wrong and eyepro helping are so low though. It'd make more sense to walk around wearing a helmet 24/7

>>31046722
>>31046729
I bought the Supreme Pro X. I'm planning on using them at work and at the range.

>>31046668
I have them and they are really nice.

>>31046777
>The chances of something going wrong and eyepro helping are so low though.
>It'd make more sense to walk around wearing a helmet 24/7

And now that you pointed this out, let's agree that carrying a gun and anyone who actually does this on a daily basis is retarded. The chances of having to use a gun is incredibly low so what's the point?

I don't put on my seatbelt because it's constricting. I have never been in a car accident ever in my life. Also I have never been hospitalized so I don't even bother with health insurance.

>>31046818
Just let that idiot lose his fucking eyes

I usually just use my normal glasses, what are some good prescription eyepro?

>>31046668
They're a bit big, might get in the way if you shoot rifles often.

I'd suggest something a little less large in profile.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/Howard-Leight-R-01526-Impact-Sport-Electronic-Earmuff-Shooting-Ear-Protection-/350985756112?nav=SEARCH

If all you're shooting are handguns, then go with whatever you want.

>>31046832
Oakely, Wiley X and ESS make RX inserts to my knowledge.

>>31046779
They look pretty good, and people say they super comfortable. But I'm confused why the NRR is only 18... Seems kinda low. I would put ear plugs under them for extra protection.

>>31046869
I'm shooting an m1 Garand so it would be a rifle. My worry is more with the NRR. The pro ones are bigger but offer 30 NRR while the sport is smaller but only had 222 NRR. You think it's still not worth getting the pro?

>>31039969
If I'm mandated to wear double ear pro by the us military around jet engines, I'm sure as hell going to double up at the range too

>>31046949
Curious. What kind of ear protection does the military give you?

why don't you just get comtac?

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>mfw always use hearing protection doubled up
>mfw went to a club just once to watch an eletronic band + some dubstep bands I didn't care about
>mfw slight eeeeeeeeeeeeeee after that that comes and goes in both left and right ears ever since then

Remember kids, if the music is so loud you can feel it pushing your body backwards, you need ear pro.

>>31046977
I can't talk for other branches, but in the AF at every base I've been to there are disposable foamies with about 27 db reduction, and you can either wear the headsets they have at the tool crib or bring your own. I have a pair of 3m ones with 30 db reduction. The comm sets have around 24 db reduction, but they're really nice, I think a new one is $375

>>31039913
atm I use eye pro I got from Amazon. Forgot the name, but I needed it so I could wear over my glasses and they don't fog up
Ear pro I got random ear muffs I got from my LGS when I bought my first gun, and I normally double up with either ear plug or iems with comply foamies

Been thinking of getting those peltor(sp) active ear muffs but I don't really go shooting with other people much

>>31046738

i've been hit with spall from my own and others when we've shot metallic targets.

>>31047139

those orange and green ones? i've seen people stick them vertically in the ear canal... i mean it's not like there's step-by-step instructions on how to work them or anything.

>>31047532
Yeah, just the simple orange and green ones. That'd be pretty funny to see. You're supposed to stick the orange in. They issued us reusable rubber ones but they're extemely uncomfortable so almost no one wears them.

>>31047645

yeah i use them when i fly too, under my helmet. i've got ACCES plugs being made. can't wait for them.

>>31039913
I bought those. They don't seal well on the bottom, the inline input isn't loud enough to really use for anything, and the threshold of noise where they cut out is basically only gunfire. 20 bucks lost.

>>31040059
Don't work worth a shit with shotguns assuming you're actually properly into the stock
t. NSSA/ATA/NRA shotgun instructor

>>31040109
Yes, but nobody can agree on the point you can't wear more protection without going to a full face helmet.

Larger over ear muffs help mitigate it though. But those suck for rifles and shotguns.

>>31046671
No.

ANDI rating helps, but doesn't accurately reflect the hazards involved with guns. True ballistic rating is what you should be striving for.

As far as style, wraparound provides the most coverage but kinda sucks for skeet/trap/other wingshooting because the temples interfere with peripheral vision and the brow bow sits too low for most people, theres a reason for the goofy oversized aviator shooting glasses.

Lens color can make a huge difference for clays as well, the extra contrast is pretty well necessary for the competitive level.

>>31046738
Skeet shooter here.

Pretty much every round I have pieces of bird hit me in the face (low 7, both high and low 8) and occasionally a pellet will bounce off either the bird or the high house and hit me.

They strike hard enough to fuck up the lenses on my polycarbonate shooting classes or cut me, I have no doubt in my mind they'd put out eyes.

>>31047012
I wore plugs at excision for a reason
Glad I did.
Forgot them for nightwish not long after, but thankfully it wasn't as loud, and if it made my eeeeee any worse I can't tell.