Canada General

Used T97 FTU for 1000$ yay or nay?

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first for no good NR 5.56 options

>>31015592

Aren't they like 1200 new with FTU?

>>31015596

How much would you pay for a tube-gun in 5.56?

>>31015630
what is a tube gun?

>>31015637

A firearm whose receiver is a tube. Think the cheap SMG's of WWII.

>>31015685
if it was good, and stanag compliant, and had rails and shit to put stuff on i'd probably pay up to 2k

>>31015617

Around 1300-1400$ after tax.

>>31015630
from an unknown company ? idk like 500 max
it all depends on the action
now if it took stanag mag mags and was a take down now you can add another 250 sheckles

>>31015242
im assuming youre you

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>>31015693

See, that's the thing. People keep saying "I'd pay 2k!", but then as soon as it comes out, people are like "Not a penny more than 1k!" or even less.

>>31015704

Good guess. Though that receiver is an AR-7. I'm just building the receiver right now so I can make some accessories for it (stay tuned). Though I suppose I could make a variant later on.

Here's another sneak peak.

>>31015734
i would pay 2k though

>>31015567
HI new to guns here. I have SKS and its pree fun; took it out and murdered 50 cantelopes on the weekend; but the surplus ammo usually just punched holes. any recommendations for exploding melons for best $:effect ratio?

>>31015756
Binary explosives :^)

>>31015756
wax slugs blow up fruits and veggies very nicely

>>31015769
Is that Tannerite?
>>31015781
A wax slug for an SKS? Or you mean get a shotgun? Is 12 guage the go to? I was thinking of getting a Mossberg 500 + savage Axis for my "starting trio" yes?

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>>31015734
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>Here's another sneak peak.
wait ... an ar7 in .223 ?

my weeeener isnt ready for such a thing

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>>31015815

Nah, not an AR-7 specifically.

For instance, the Brits made a .308 Sterling prototype.

https://www.forgottenweapons.com/rifles/british-308-sterling-prototype/

I was just posting my current project.

If I made a variant in some other round, it would probably be 9x19 or something similar (Something that wouldn't require a 7lb bolt for straight-blowback).

>>31015843
>de a variant in some other round, it would probably be 9x19
if it was NR, took glock mags , that would be sick

>>31015799
yeah as in a shotgun, 12ga is the way to go, it's the cheapest, most versatile, and by far the most common

mossberg 500 is a very good and afford shotgun

i find semi auto 22s more fun, but bolts are fun too

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>>31015567
Isn't Canada just gay Australia?

>>31015912

Population-wise, we're pretty similar. Our gun laws are closer to New Zealand than Australia, though.

Also, while we are pretty friendly towards LGBT individuals overall, isn't the gay stereotype more of an Aussy thing?

>>31015567
Here's a scenario for you all. Should I buy a VZ58 'around 1300 before tax', a Mini 14 '1200 before tax', or a Type 81 '1000 but haven't landed in Canada yet'

>>31016430

The only uncucked one is the 58 with the ability to use 10 round mags. Are you buying them brand new?

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>>31016430
>Mini 14 '1200 before tax

Is that what they're going for now? As if the $100 a piece 5/30 meme mags weren't enough. God fucking damn it.

>>31016448
yup they'd be brand new. 10 rounders for the VZ would be nice but its also pretty expensive for what it is

>>31016469
After all these years I'm still boggled as to why Ruger hasn't manufactured a variant that takes STANAG mags.

>>31016490
>but its also pretty expensive for what it is

Welcome to Canada.

>>31016504

bill ruger's last fuck you from beyond the grave.

and it's still selling enough that they can't be bothered to rejigger the entire receiver to take an AR mag-capable magwell.

>>31016504
sadly very true, wish I had grabbed one when they were 999

>>31016490
are the 10 rounders you guys are talking about putting the stanag adapter in with XCR mags?

>>31016490

For all others and yourself I ask: do you guys prefer buying a brand new rifle or would you ever save by buying second hand with a few hundred rounds through it?

>>31016547
It's the only legal option I'm aware of. On the plus side the polymer CSA adapter works flawlessly, 7.62x39 XCR mags feed well and the bolt still holds open. Biggest gripe I have with it and the main reason I prefer to use standard 5/30 mags is simply due to aesthetics. I mean, with the right stock and handguard XCR mags don't look too terrible, but I've always preferred AK-style curved magazines anyways.

>>31016624
>>For all others and yourself I ask: do you guys prefer buying a
im a cheap ass so i have NEVER bought a new rifle

ive build an AR using some new and some used parts
i have a shit tonne of surplus raifus
i like to buy beaten and batterd gats so i can nurse them back to health

>>31016633
hmm those mags are only $30 too

kind of tempted to do that, but i wouldnt be able to use my push bolt release anymore

>>31016624
I bought a used shotgun, and surplus rifles, but generally I'd much rather have a new rifle or handgun. Shotguns don't matter as much to me.

So it looks like you guys prefer the VZ to the Mini and Type 81. thanks ya'll

>>31016818
The Type 81 is untested, and the Mini is too expensive for what it is. VZ58 has proven reliable and worth the money, though I expect/hope the T81 will challenge that.

>>31016633
>>31016663

Also to be clear, the CSA adapter only works in 2013+ CSA VZ 58's. IIRC the CZ 858 doesn't have the correct cutouts in the receiver to mount STANAG adapters.

>>31016818
The VZ is definitely the safest option and a quality firearm anyways. Type 81 could be good as well, but it doesn't sound like it will be nearly as modular- no threaded barrel, furniture is allegedly riveted in et al.

>>31015567
>A
>FUCKING
>LEAF

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>>31016923

So was this guy. Your point?

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>>31015734
I knew I wasn't the only one who does 3d modelling. post what you got

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>>31016981

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>>31017018
Bushmaster M242 I'm working on the insides for

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>>31017049

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>>31017065
you guise like Avtomats?

>>31017018

Oh, it's you.

Did you split the shroud into multiple pieces as we discussed last time?

>>31016469
fuck i just bought a ruger mini 14 target edition and it was 1500, then got some of those 30 round mags for 100$ a pop, then put a 400$ scope on it.
i also bought a vz58 for 1300$, and have prepaid for the type 81.
they all seem to be very different, the ruger and vz are both built very well, and seem like high quality guns.

>>31017265

Post pics when you get the Type-81, eh?

>>31017287
of course!! i went with the fixed stock because it most reminded me of the ak47.
the vz58 is cool because you can dress it up in so many different options.

I did not realise this when I picked thr place but from my new apartment I can actually see the local gun store.

I guess its time I grabbed my Gear from my parents basement and delved back into this hobby.

Please rate my microblog.

>>31017323
3/10 Too many spelling and grammar errors.

>>31017334
Ufck

Quick question for you guys: How high above the stock's cheek weld do you guys like the iron sights to be?

>Petition on property rights being added to the Charter has been responded to
>Hurr durr, status quo!

Seriously, what's the fucking point of these petitions if every single one of them just gets shot down by the government. They aren't even pretending to give a shit.

>>31017530
More fuel for the fire I guess. Getting people involved and angry at the government does have its benefits.

>>31017567

We're seriously going to watch shit burn at this rate.

We keep trying to prevent it from getting there and they just keep fucking up like this.

Hahahaha!

The government just called the M-16 "restricted".

Fucking dolts.

>>31015756
>wasting food

Kill yourself.

Cabela's in Ottawa is finally set to open Sept 22.

>>31017710
>The government just called the M-16 "restricted".

>3-round burst
>10 round mags

Even now all we can do is suffer

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>>31018126
>cantelopes
>food

are you for real m8?

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>>31017265
>vz58 for 1300$,

Jesus christ, I bought my CZ858 for $650 new. Is this where we're at now?

>Tfw still waiting for fucknuts to approve my pistol transfer
REEEEEEEEEEEE
I've never had a transfer take more than a day, going on a week now

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>>31017530
>>31017567
>>31017615
>petition to make AR-15 non-restricted
>one of the most nermerously sighned petitions in Canadian history
>MUH FAGGOTS

The Conservatives really need to pull their heads out of their asses for the next election.

>>31018463
but if it was NR couldnt they do a mass round up of them ? like they did in the 80's
i heard something that if a small arm(s) is in a registry in a NATO country ,they must be must be compensated if they are taken ?
> is this just lore of the fudd ?

>>31018463
At their last convention they basically adopted all the Liberal's social positions, but with more freedom of speech and better gun rights.

>>31015596
Go all out and buy an ATRS Modern Varmint. Live the dream anon.

>>31018621
Ultimate configuration for Canada would be a Swiss Arms PE90, with a "USA Trigger Housing", that uses an AR magazine release and lets it take STANAGs. On the other hand, if you can afford that you're too rich to be on 4chan.

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>>31018352
CSA VZ's are better quality than the CZ 858's. Still I only paid $900 for my CSA two years ago.

>>31018649
>too rich to be on 4chan.

Surely there are at least a few NEETS who lucked into inheriting fortunes from family, though.

REEEEEEEEEE

Fuck it. I'm buying a brand new T97 FTU. Fuck second hand.

>>31018621
they're like 5 grand though, and they're picky about ammo etc. and are basically a range queen type gun for more nerdy/rich/old type guys, it's not really a gun for me

>>31018815
Your money, your loss anon. T97 is a complete shit of a rifle.

>>31019157

Tok Man, is this dude correct?

>>31019220
>VERY finicky with mags, alot dont even fit in the magwell.
>have fun with having bullets being jammed on the feed ramp or upper chamber.

I had one myself anon....I highly advise against it. And I like norinco for the most part.

>>31018352
Ya I reminder when the 858 first came on the market, I was a poor fag and had just bought my sks right before, I bubbahd or mall ninjad it out as bad as anyone could. I Rembember thinking 650$ was out of my budget, now I have spent over 15k in guns just in the currant year.

>>31019157
Its like people say the most of the guns malfunctions are magwell related if it had a better magwell and slighty better ergos its would be a 8/10 gun.

>>31018408
Mine always take at least 2-3 weeks! I have been arrested a few times in my life. But I have about 12 restricted and every one has taken 2-3 weeks for transfer approval.

>>31018802
There's the one guy on /k/ who calls himself Demichad, he's got money, guns, and women. I remember the first thread he showed up in, he started posting timestamped photos of his guns (he owns a tigerstriped Deagle) along with women in their underwear. Best thread I've ever seen on /k/ hands down.

>>31018502
There is nothing in our charter saying you must be compensated. Property rights is very weak in our charter, essentially we have none. Same with pretty much all of our other rights too. Things like notwithstanding clause make the whole charter one of the weakest if not the worst in the western world.

>>31019411
Yeah but that guy has said he just is super autismo with stock market investments.

>>31019435
Point is he has the money. I wonder how you'd go about ordering the STANAG lowers from Swiss Arms? If I sent them a message in English they'd probably just write it off.

>>31018718
I just got my vz858 for 1300$ from bullseye London, I have bought get from them many times before and they have always been really good on pricing, at the time they were the only dealers selling them, I see now Kelly's sporting goods has them in now, and also in a short barrelled "carbine" version too. All for just under 1300$ Kelly's seems to have pretty good pricing too, from the few times I have bought from them.

Just got my RPAL, and I want to get a .22 bolt action and a pistol to start. I want to be out the door for like $1500, if possible.

Is this pistol any good? Also considering a .357 revolver but they all seem to run about a grand.


https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/ProductDetail/MGMBE9900COMPKIT_JERICHO-941-9mm-COMP-RANGE-KIT

>>31019431
I just heard back the results from the Property Rights petition.

They've decided not to add property rights to the charter. What a goddamn embarrassment. I really need to move to the US, even if Hillary becomes president.

So if T97 is shit. 58/858 in 223 or 7.62?

>>31019498

m8

once she gets libfag supreme court justices in there, the US will be much worse than canada, plus like 30 million feral urban youth with no jobs and problem solvuhs

So I got my refund from Marstar yesterday.
I had returned one of their trash Garands, and now I am looking for a new rifle to buy.

Suggestions?
>budget is roughly $1600
>must be semi-automatic
>must use detachable magazines/clips (ie. non-tubular and non-fixed magazines)
>must be non-restricted
>.308 or higher (but I would really prefer .308)

>>31018463
>petition e-111
>"The Government has committed to getting handguns and assault weapons off our streets and to strengthening controls on such weapons."
>"The Government is committed to putting decision-making authority about weapons classification back into the hands of police, not politicians."
>We are going to use ignorance and scare tactics to make sure your rights are controlled by a secretive, unelected, unaccountable organization with a long history of ignoring the law and due process.
>P.S. Go fuck yourself.

They are straight up declaring war on our rights. Next election cannot happen soon enough. I disliked a lot of what Harper did but at least he made incremental improvements to our gun rights.

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>>31019496
These were 700$ each new. .357

>>31017499
Well the SKS is too high imo, there's a starting point for you

>>31019516
I don't plan on moving to California or New York, so I don't think I'll have much of a problem with urban youth. I'm thinking Arizona or Alaska, actually.

Worst case scenario, I move back to Canada.

>implying the US constitution doesn't blow Canada's out of the water

>>31019557

Neat. Are they good? What are they?

>>31019571

>Alaska

Just move to the Yukon.

I do love the USA, and the constitution is great. My mom is actually a US citizen and I may move there one day... but only if nationalism wins and they elect Trump.

>>31019571
I would love to try Alaska too, I think about it all the time.

>>31019546
FN FNAR and the yet unreleased NEA-25 are your only real options aside from m305's which I would say pass.

>>31019592
Alfa projects 357 6" barrel was like 650$
Rossi 357 6" barrel was closer to 700.
Both are sweet. Better grip on the Alfa by far, it's just a much bigger gun, defiantly go with the Alfa over the two, though the Rossi seems to have a nicer action and trigger. Both are sweet units for a fair price.

>>31019157
>>31019157
Speak for yourself dude. I love mine, no feed issues or problems running LAR mags.

Didn't go with the FTU because carry handles make my dick hard tho

>>31019553
Reminds me of something I read the other day that amused me
>Schrodinger's gun: the idea that a gun that is legally owned and locked away is simultaneously "on the streets"

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>>31015630
>>31015734
>>31015685
>Think the cheap SMG's of WWII.
>waaah! you guys won't pay $2000 for my cheap homebrew "invention"
make up your mind, are you making a cheap inaccurate, unreliable, dirty blow-back action, open-bolt piece of shit or are you making a 1-2k rifle?

who are you? is Marstar getting into manufacturing now?

>>31019625
I was also thinking of buying a Garand parts kit and a .308 conversion, but then I had second thoughts. If a German gunsmith can fuck it up, then I, a total newfag with no experience at all, would be much worse at it.

>>31019696
>"""""""gunsmith"""""""
That guy was a total fucking clown. Any word on whether the proof marks were definitively faked?

>>31019696
I don't think they were done by a "gunsmith" and they were probably shittier parts than what you would get out of a kit.

>>31019546
Other than what the other anon suggested,
Wolverine is looking to bring in some M14 parts kits, along with some receivers.

>>31019696
Buy the kit, do the easy parts yourself and get a real gunsmith to do the tricky work (like mounting the barrel, reaming the chamber, etc).

>>31019737
>Wolverine is looking to bring in some M14 parts kits, along with some receivers.
As in actual M14s? As in, not the Norinco M305 that is colloquially referred to as the "M14" much like how any brand of facial tissue is called a "Kleenex"?

Shit, I'm down if the price is right.

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>>31019510
7.62 all the way.
>More reliable
>Cheaper ammo
>Big game legal
>Parts availability
>Same ability to use pistol mags

>>31019498
>>31019516
>During the discussions and debates preceding the introduction of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in 1982, a significant amount of time and consideration was given to the idea of including a guarantee of property rights.
>The idea was raised again during the lead-up to the Charlottetown Accord.
>However, in both cases, the idea of entrenching property rights in the Constitution was strongly resisted by some provinces, as it was viewed as an intrusion into provincial jurisdiction...

Canada is the reason why I tell my American friends that strong "states rights" are a shitty idea. We have strong "provincial rights" so they deal with property rights as they see fit. Which is why the lawsuit against the Quebec gun registry is not likely to go anywhere.

>>31019758
From CGN:
>We have a line on a large quantity of US manufactured M14 rifles . These are obviously prohibited so we would have to sell these in Canada as parts kits

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1439261-US-M14-Parts-Kits

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>>31015856
hmm, a tube gun in 9x19 that was NR and took glock mags.. where could we find that I wonder?
>neva been dun befo

>>31019510
>58/858 in 223 or 7.62?
Jumping Jesus, Bob, be more careful with your wording.

I was damn near excited about the thought of a vz.58 chambered in 7.62x51. I assume you were actually referring to 7.62x39, which actually exists for a vz.58.

>>31019775
>These are obviously prohibited so we would have to sell these in Canada as parts kits
If the M14 is prohibited in Canada, then how would assembling one yourself make it legal?

>>31019792

Why assume I was talking about something that doesn't exist?

>>31019798
They have select fire receivers, even if you cut of the selector the receiver is still prohib.

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>>31019792
>>31019824
There were alot of experimental VZ58's made like one in 9mm and 7.62nato

>>31019798
The receiver is the firearm. The M14 receiver is prohibited because it was full fun. If Wolverine sources a semi-auto receiver, then you can just stick the parts kit parts onto it and you're good to go.

>>31019798
The M14 itself isn't illegal, it's just that guns which used to be full auto are prohibited (the real M14 had full-auto on some models). The parts themselves (aside from the receiver) would be fine though. Not sure how they would make the receiver legal if it used to be F/A.

>>31019870
Usually parts kits like this either have no receiver or are dewat. Since new dewat regs need the barrel fucked with i'm guessing these are receiver less.

>>31019769
pls bulk comrade skellington

>>31015843
Jesus Christ, I have wood.

>>31019769
That's a sweet set up dude. I have seen lots of your other pics of your gear, but not this one. Looks badass, would defiantly join to operate innawoods with.

>>31019947

being a skelly is sustainable in a SHFT scenario anon. There aren't going to be a lot of calories.

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>>31019769
>when you realize all those mags equal to a single mag irl
>that canadian feel

>>31020055
This. I survived off rice an vegetables for a week.

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>>31020067
>>that canadian feel

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>>31020055
>>31020083
>have superior strength and extra energy to burn during the initial chaos is a liability

Fucking dyels, just walk away

>>31019947
>>31020055
I'am definitely skinny not quite a skelington. I religiously lane swim 3-4 times a week. Although I do feel its time to start lifting.
>>31020046
Thanks Desu, will you be at the Alberta meet?
>>31020067
Rivets drill quick Anon.

>>31020141
not worth going to prison to smoke Chancho's peace pipe, desu senpai

>>31020230
Just when the shit hits the fan. I just convince myself it makes me more proficient at reloads.

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>>31020141
>Although I do feel its time to start lifting.

You might enjoy this podcast Based Pat Mac just did on lifting to operate operationally, then.

https://youtu.be/576UctooQYs

>>31019836
There was talks back in 2012 about making a commercial .308 model but I don't think it went anywhere.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-832875-p-2.html

>>31020337
Wouldn't happen now for sure CZ only cares about that evo money.

>>31020348
Give the EVO a year or two to hit market saturation in the states and start up in Canada, then try to reopen talks.
>TFW no pseudo-VEPR

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>>31020364
I mean there kinda was before russian sanctions but for whatever reason aside from the 3k price tag they never really caught on.

>>31020483
Yeah, it seemed to be more that they were never imported.
>The .308 VZ58 was going to be roughly $1500 at the time, so probably closer to $1700 now.

>>31020141
I won't be at this meet. I'm in souther ab though if you ever find your way down here, we have a decent range and lots of funs

>>31019567

I don't have an SKS laying about, unfortunately. Not yet.

Two inches sound good?

>>31019689

Are you saying Canadian firearm owners don't overstate how much they'd pay for a firearm until it actually arrives? Because I've seen it happen for the Type-97, the TAR-21, the Modern Hunter, etc.

I was just asking to gauge interest to see if it would be worthwhile.

And no, I wouldn't make a gun in .223 straight-blowback. The bolt would have to weigh 7 lbs.

>>31019784

I'd probably make it out of aluminum, if that matters to you.

>>31020696
That seems fine. And if you're going to err on one side or the other, make the sights higher. They are practically useless if they're too low.

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>tfw your brotier CFSC instructor guy is going to maybe sell you some neat stuff from his collection
>tfw you will maybe be range bros

Just bought a used cz858, 4mags, original beaver barf, kit and bayo for 920 all in how did I do.

>>31021053
I want to be range buddies with an RCMP officer just for the irony.

>>31021137

This dude is obviously RCMP, yeah. He's a total bro. If I'd had a grandpa like this growing up I probably would have turned out better.

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>>31015567
Get ready for a debate folks...

>>31021173
Forgot link...

https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-111

Parliament has tabled the bill proposing that the AR-15 rifle be downgraded from Restricted status.

>>31021200

I will eat an AR if they derestrict it.

>>31021200
>Parliament has tabled the bill proposing that the AR-15 rifle be downgraded from Restricted status.

No they fucking didn't. They told us to fuck off.

If someone introduced a bill, I'd love to see it.

>>31021130
Not bad given the current market, but if the guy bought it a few years ago he made money on that transaction.

>>31021173
>>31021200
Did you read all of it? They said no immediately after the Orlando shooting, this is just their official statement.

>>31021227
Doesn't need a bill, only needs an OIC.

>>31021200
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/HOC/ePetitions/Responses/421/e-111/421-00292_PS_E.pdf

>tl;dr: Fuck you, we'll do what we want.

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>>31021232
>>31021227
>>31021217
>>31021200
>>31021173

>>31021250
yep
>>31021200
see>>31019553

>>31021242

And the LPC just told you to piss up a rope.

If they put an OIC through, it'll be to ban shit.

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someone sell me a k31 please

>>31021278
I know the Libshits are assholes, I was just informing the other fellow that they don't need to pass a formal bill.

>>31019498
>thinking property rights are in the US constitution
I got news from you, they have regular problems with police using vague legal bullshit to seize people's properly. And I'm not talking about cliven bundy and his fucking cows, I mean "your playstation was used in the commission of a crime and we have to 'confiscate' it" kind of stuff.

>>31019571
>US constitution is better than Canada's
It's not really, aside from the 2nd, our constitution doesn't have the stupidly vague parts like the US one does, and protects a lot of 'little freedoms' that people don't think about because gun rights, free speech, and other 'big' stuff has everyone's attention.

And frankly, our gun laws aren't so shitty that it's worth moving to the US.

>>31021292

Okay, I thought you were that other anon who said they were going to de-restricted the AR-15.

My bad.

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>>31021169
>If I'd had a grandpa like this growing up I probably would have turned out better.

I think we all would have.

>>31021296
>And frankly, our gun laws aren't so shitty that it's worth moving to the US.

It is if you plan on working in that industry.

>>31019553
>at least he made incremental improvements to our gun rights.
Don't. Don't give Harper or his government one fucking bit of credit on fighting for out gun rights, please.

Bill C-42 was nice, but it was the lazy handjob of pro-guns legislation. If they really fucking cared they would have done so much more when they still had their majority but they pissed it all away fucking around trying to become the early 2000's's Republican party, and constantly lying their asses off about what they were spending our money on (our new ships were likely always going to cost 100 billion, the price didn't quadruple overnight) and they let their own socio-political hangups lead them to stupid decisions just like the other side, like Canada's part in some health package for 3rd world women (that completely ignored the topic of birth control).

And what did we get? A stupid fucking majority government for the Liberals. I don't hate them or Trudeau because le dude weed man hasn't done anything worth complaining about or celebrating yet. But the naive idealism of him and his supporters would have been better off being checked by the restrictions of a minority government.

>>31019592
>I don't like libruls telling me what to do all the time and that the things I think are wrong!
>nationalists will surely give me the freedom to think and express myself how I like!

Ya know I kinda hope Trump does win, so people like you will leave.

>>31021411
Fair enough. I continue to hope Trudeau ends up doing....nothing.

>>31021437

nationalism doesn't preclude cultural libertarianism you faggot

>hurr not wanting to have unchecked immigration and promoting outsourcing all labour to china and india means I can't suck dick and pop xanax on the weekends

don't worry m8 you can still do whatever you want.

>>31021442
At most, I hope he actually legalizes marijuana.

>>31021509
Would be cool. Doubt it though.

>>31021509

they already said they can't do it.

who cares, you can buy weed literally anywhere. even dispensaries.

>>31021360
Yeah, but if I wanted to invent computers I'd move to silicon valley, not amnish country. And frankly, that has less to do with Canadian laws and more to do with the fact that there aren't many large firearms manufacturers that are Canadian.

>>31021526
Okay, so apparently they can bring in tens of thousands of refugees just shortly after being elected, but they can't legalize marijuana?

>bringing in middle-eastern people is easy, you guys
>no, we don't need to worry about national security, it's TWENTY-FIFTEEN
>now we just need to ask all the hotels and military bases to make room
>see? that was SO easy!
>what? you want us to legalize a fucking plant? how about you piss off, you hippy cunts?

>>31021532
>there aren't many large firearms manufacturers that are Canadian.
Maybe there would be more of them if the laws weren't so meddlesome!

>>31021579

It violates some UN treaties we signed or something, I don't know. Of course they COULD, but they're not going to. It was a meme election promise and faggots and stoners slurped it up. Now we have a Selfie PM and tens of thousands of islamists too many.

The CPC was dogshit but the libs are much worse.

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>>31021509
>legalizing Marijuana

This meme just needs to fucking stop. President Duterte's "Kill Your Local Drug Dealer" program has ALREADY produced superior results to decades of legalization and decriminalization by weak Western nations in less than a year.

The only reason the War on Drugs hasn't succeeded is because it hasn't been treated like an actual war, and the Filipino Government is proving it.

>>31021579
Other national governments wanted Trudeau to take the refugees.
Other national governments do not want us to legalize marijuana and would seriously fuck with our trade agreements if we did.

Trudeau's just doing what other countries want, man.

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>>31021612

>other (((countries)))

>>31021596
>keeping a promise with other countries is somehow more important than looking after your own people's well-being
Justin Trudeau: He's just not ready.
>dun, dun-duh-dun

>>31021596
>It violates some UN treaties we signed or something
Surely a person wishing to become Prime Minister would do more research before making such grandiose promises, right?

>he's just not ready

>>31021609
Restricting drugs creates a violent black market with huge profit incentives for criminals. It also creates huge profits for America's for-profit, privatized prisons. The war on drugs is supposed to endure forever bro.

>>31021647
>The war on drugs is supposed to endure forever bro.

That actually makes a lot of sense from the Orwellian point of view.

>>31021620
To be fair, Germany was in on it too

.>>31021592
Savage Arms and Stevens is built in Lakefield, Ontario.

>>31021647
It's always the price/risk ratio. If the risk involves execution, then it's probably too high unless you're getting $1000/gram weed.

>>31021592
Canada is one of the top 15 arms manufacturing nations in the world, I doubt gun laws are stopping us from getting into small arms. In fact, the C7 has been picked up by several countries and elite units around the world, so we're not even out of the market, just occupy a niche, probably because Russia and the US cover most of it.


>>31021579
>>31021596
>ignoring that the refugees are being thoroughly screened and that most of them are women and children
>ignoring that most folks couldn't shut up about how secular a nation Syria was until the subject of taking in refugees came up

>muh national security
>muh islam
One of which is taken care of quite well thank you, and the other doesn't matter, because if you haven't noticed we already have lots of muslims here and of the two successful attacks, one was by a neckbeard with obvious mental issues. Shit, Maple Snake killed as many people, and ya know who talks about him all the time? Noone... which is fucking good because that could have turned out really bad for firearms owners.

>>31019220
Complete shit? Nah. But it has flaws, most of which are easily remedied.
>Odd control placement
>No Pic rail by default, only the YMA rail
>Tendancy to cram cases into chamber wall
>Picky about mags
>Shit irons
Notching the feed ramp cures the case issue, FTU and LHG cure the rest, and you gotta try a few types of mags to see what yours likes. All that aside, though, it's $1000, and a real fun gun once you tweak it a bit, like most Norc guns.

>>31021629
>taking in less than 0.01% of the Canadian population makes it impossible to look after your own people's well being.
Shouldn't you be screaming about how EI and welfare are moocher programs that should be shut down?

Also, funny how faggots like you didn't say this shit when the government was helping Ft. Mac out during fire and flood.

>>31021667
I meant more why there will never be a serious push to actually win the war on drugs.

>>31019769
That setup looks good. Mind sharing a kit list there, anon?

>>31021717

Well then a FTU 97 is on my weekend buy list.

>>31021708
>>ignoring that the refugees are being thoroughly screened and that most of them are women and children
>>ignoring that most folks couldn't shut up about how secular a nation Syria was until the subject of taking in refugees came up
My main issue is that the majority of the refugees aren't even from Syria. They're from other African nations who just claim they're Syrians who've lost their passport and get into the country, to startling effect in Europe.

>>31021805
Be sure to come back with a review after you've hit the range with it, Anon.

>>31021629
>>keeping a promise with other countries is somehow more important than looking after your own people's well-being
>Justin Trudeau: He's just not ready.

He refused firefighters from America and Russia in favour of stickbeaters from South Africa to save Fort McMurray. Why? Probably thought it was more important to give the South Africans modern fire fighting experience than to actually put out the fire as soon as possible.

Trudeau does not have Canada's best interests in mind. He is a globalist scumbag, piece of shit, fashionably bi-sexual, cuck, bimbo that will sell us out at any given moment.

>>31021708
>>muh national security
>>muh islam
>One of which is taken care of quite well thank you, and the other doesn't matter

I don't want to live with Mohammedans. With their stupid clothes, their dumb dietary laws, their desert trilogy book, their child brides, dick cutting, bacon banning, prohibition bullshit.

Islam is un-Canadian. It is foreign and alien and doesn't belong in Canada.

>>31021885
>He refused firefighters from America and Russia in favour of stickbeaters from South Africa to save Fort McMurray.
To be fair though, had they saved Fort McMurray instead, it would end up smelling like ranch dressing mixed with cosmoline.

>>31021740
>Also, funny how faggots like you didn't say this shit when the government was helping Ft. Mac out during fire and flood.

Canadians are suppose to take care of Canadians, not alien foreigners.

Should I waste money on some iron sights or go straight to a cheap red dot for a T97 FTU?

>>31021740
>Also, funny how faggots like you didn't say this shit when the government was helping Ft. Mac out during fire and flood.
>Implying voluntary charity is the same thing as as welfare, which occurs via forced redistribution of resources
Look I get it, I do. The whole anarchism (regardless of any and all adjectives), is retarded. But to seriously say that voluntary donations from individuals (where most of the McMurray money came from) is the same thing as welfare is simply idiotic.

>>31021930
If you use it for comp or SHTF backup irons are never a bad idea. Otherwise skip it.

>>31021837
I don't know what to tell you.

I always thought Europeans were pretty good when it came to handling refugees and immigration, like Canada is for the most part. But they seem not only dedicated to doing a half-assed job at security screening, but also generally a bad job of integrating people (which we also manage to do pretty well, without requiring 100% assimilation).

I suppose part of it is that actually possible to cross the Mediterranean as opposed to the Atlantic ocean, meaning that it's just generally impossible for illegals from there to reach us (frankly we're really lucky when it comes to that in general, water on 3 sides and the US to the south).

I also take it as a good sign that most of the refugees we're bringing over are paying for their own flight, meaning it's less likely that some random faker from North Africa is going to slip through. And while I agree that those people who are trying to take advantage of this situation shouldn't be given anything, if that means that we need to throw actual people who are in trouble under the bus, I'm not sure it's worth it to make sure that those people don't get anything.

What are some good cheap red dot sights?

>>31021996
I question whether or not it's our problem, given that we have paid for many, if not most of the flights ourselves, not them.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/canada-considering-bringing-in-refugees-through-jordanian-airport/article27492079/
And given that they're complaining about living here and are considering going home.
http://www.therebel.media/syrian_refugees_sign_petition_complaining_about_inadequate_hotels_canadian_middle_eastern_food
http://www.therebel.media/syrian_refugee_considers_taking_his_family_back_to_syria_after_ontario_residents_complained_they_were_loud
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/26/some-syrian-refugees-in-canada-already-want-to-return-to-the-middle-east/

>>31021885
The Alberta government hired the South African fire fighters, because they work cheap.

Trudeau probably refused international help with the fire for the same reasons Bush W. refused help with Katrina. Except Ft. Mac wasn't a massive clusterfuck where lots of people died.

But hey, don't let my facts spoil your feels filled rant about Trudeau.

>>31021609
Why don't you go back to Manila then, Marcos.

>>31022041
Bushnell TRS-25
Holosun 400 series
Vortex strikefire

>>31021911
No faggot, you're un-Canadian. The average muslim living here doesn't give a fuck about the things you do or wear, they just want to be left alone to live their lives like the rest of us.

Meanwhile you would happily harass them out of the country if you couldn't just legally ban them. So fuck you for trying to claim you're more Canadian. You're practically spitting on the idea by proudly declaring you hate people just for being different and don't want to share this beautiful wide open land with them, despite us having plenty of room.

>>31021921
And I'm still waiting for you to explain how helping the refugees prevents us from helping Canadians? Or that we're not supposed to help anyone but Canadians.

>>31022083
>The Alberta government hired the South African fire fighters, because they work cheap.
>They showed up
>They didn't work
>They didn't get paid
>They claimed they didn't work because of no pay
>They went home
>???
>This is the Conservatives fault for being so racist

>>31022186
>doesn't bother to research the incident one bit, just wants to spit out rants that fit their narrative
Shit even my brief reading has a more nuanced understanding of the situation than that.

And that's hilarious, a conservative complaining about someone refusing to work for free.

>>31022056
>Handful of refugees are bitchy faggots
>not as many paid for their flight as originally advertised
And? Still not a reason to ban them all from coming, it's the same shitty reasoning as the claim that "1% could be terrorist"... so fuck the 99% who aren't and still need help? If they don't like it here, they can go back home.

>>31022231
Let's start by saying I'm not the other guy you talked to initially. Nuanced or not, that's an accurate summary of the event in question, the SA "firefighters" were useless, they did absolutely nothing, this is most likely why they were never paid (no work, no money). Then they were shipped home because of their uselessness before the crisis was even over. Also I resent implications of supporting slavery, that's like saying every Liberal thinks all black people are kids to be coddled from the world rather than treated on the same level as everyone else.

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>>31022106
Let me ask you this, Cheech. If, the first time you has purchased weed, you had been shot in the head... How many time would you subsequently have purchased weed?

Checkmate, degenerates.

>>31021962
I'll admit I was kinda on a tear about a bunch of other shit at the time and just got caught up in things. I will say that while most of the aid money for the people hurt by Fr. Mac came from individuals, most of the money covering the work of putting out the fire and such came from the government, while some aid was also provided for the victims by them and NGO's (like the red cross).

Mostly I just got fed up with rolling my eyes at these stupid "he's not ready" posts, especially the ones essentially whining about how the refugees are moochers for taking out money. Since those are the same assholes who usually complain about welfare and such I threw that in, because the fuckers ignore that most people are on it temporarily until they can get back on their feet and once again becoming a productive member of society and the economy (producing a net gain to society).

>>31022330
How about your neighbors don't like you, kill you and say you're a drug dealer.

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>>31022395
Exactly what I would expect out of shitbag junkies. Stay sharp, do your best to be a paragon of your community, and stay strapped. That's the most I can recommend to any citizen.

Justice will prevail.

>>31022280
I wasn't talking about slavery, just referring to the general dislike that conservatives seem to have about ever giving anything away for free.

>>31022267
I really couldn't care less about them. I would suggest that we never should've taken any, and that they should've instead attempted to fix up their country.
>>31022384
>most of the money covering the work of putting out the fire and such came from the government,
Well of course, that's part of why we pay taxes and has a clear and measurable benefit for the entire population.
> the fuckers ignore that most people are on it temporarily until they can get back on their feet and once again becoming a productive member of society and the economy (producing a net gain to society).
Lately the numbers I've seen have been showing that they're only really useful for general manual labour, if they work at all, and are a net drain on the economy and country, not to mention the crime they've been causing in Europe.
>>31022498
Give me a reason to give something away. I'll do it as a personal choice to support friends and family as a temporary measure, but I'm not going to give money to firefighters who don't fight fires.

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>Let's talk about guns 'n stuff guys!
>NO
>POLITICS POLITICS POLITICS MUSLIMS POLITICS PROPERTY RIGHTS POLITICS NICE HAIR POLITICS POLITICS POLITICS

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>>31020575
>$1700 for a .308 VZ
that's really decent, considering the alternatives
>they would need to beef up that skinny barrel to a respectable heavy profile though, so she could be a true batturu raifu

>>31022708
>Libshits ignore petition to reclassify AR-15 to nonrestricted
>Shit ensues
There is a pathway there.
>>31022726
Yeah, but it would be worth it. I would definitely own 2 VZ58s in 2 flavours of .30

>>31022726
>Tfw can't afford Vz.58
>Interammo just sold out of Vikings-I would've had one, but was offered the YMA
>Low on ammo
At least I'll be able to afford that M5 next week. Should make for a fine HD gun.

I'm not sure of this because this is based on a half remembered post on a past thread but we do have some form of castle law right?

>>31018835
>picky about ammo

You could probably go in with a chamber reamer just to take a lick off so it'll eat cheap food. Of course, do it only a tiny hair at a time and check often with GO/NOGO.

>>31022827
Essentially.

Defence of dwelling
40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 40.

Defence of house or real property
41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
Assault by trespasser
(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 41.

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>>31020839
fair enough, the most definitely do. I would never pay close to 3k for Tavor or over 3k for a Modern Hunter

>>31020839
>I'd probably make it out of aluminum, if that matters to you.
make a SU-16 clone with an aluminum receiver instead, and either a fixed AR-style or a normal side-folding stock and price under 2k and you can have my money with a thousand apologies for doubting you

problem with our market is anything that's NR semi in 5.56 is either over 2-3k or under and trash. basically your average shooter with an average budget is either not willing or can't buy a Tavor, because the value just isn't there at that price point, and can not or will not buy T97 because it's unreliable as far as QC is concerned

>tl;dr: if you can make a tacticool, piston-driven, metal receiver firearm in 5.56, that goes bang every time, whatever you feed it, works with all stanag mags and can last at least ten of thousand of rounds down the barrel or more, has minute of coyote accuracy and good ergonomics for the mall ninjas -- price it under 2k and you'll have invented the new SKS. it would be the fist close-to-2k rifle all the poorfags and frugalfags will buy, richfags will buy it just cause why not, if you can afford MH and TAR-21, why not a solid Canadian made rifle that's even cheaper. you would be a rich man indeed
NEA says they can do AR-10ish rifle in .308 for $1500, surely someone can do something with the same level of reliability and decent accuracy for in 5.56 for the same price (assuming it's good, since it is NEA after all)

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>>31022874
>tfw Spaghettishit was prohibited with no real cause and could have fit the reliable, $1500, STANAG market

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>>31022899
was it because it has drop-in full retard package option? as in, same reason SCAR is prohibited?
>tfw we can own most of the losers of SCAR project, like XCR or ACR, which didn't hack it during testing but are available at prime markups, but the winner is verboten

Is it dumb to get a .22 bolt action (over semi-automatic) as a first gun?

I would imagine that going to the range to shoot 500 rounds, operating the bolt 500 times would get annoying for a plinking calibre.

>>31023003
>Is it dumb to get a .22 bolt action (over semi-automatic) as a first gun?

Not at all, my man. That's pretty much the classic go-to first gun/marksmanship trainer and would be a fine platform to learn on.

>>31022964
Doesn't even really drop in, you still have to make minor alterations to the receiver, not to mention source full auto parts.

>>31022171
>plenty of room
>yet they all move to the cities
>form culturally homogenous enclaves
>dress their women in potato sacks
Waow so progressive Justin, u really made me think!

>we're not supposed to help anyone but Canadians.
We should not be obligated to do so, but somehow cucklefucks like you have gotten it into their heads that Canada should function as both doormat and piggybank for the rest of the world.

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>>31023037
You think some Italian Cultural Society could make a case against this, or are they slightly too huwhite to have an influence on this sort of thing?

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>>31023037
that's the thing I don't get about prohibiting the SCAR. I mean, the assembly that allows for FA is not available to the civilian public and it's illegal to try and procure it/own it, so why prohibit the rifle?

>hey, this rifle is perfectly fine, as long as it doesn't have this part, which is illegal for civilians to own and is not available to them anyway
>let's make the rifle prohibited without that unobtainable illegal part anyway

>>31022171
>And I'm still waiting for you to explain how helping the refugees prevents us from helping Canadians?

It costs billions of dollars that would better be spent on programs in Canada for actual Canadians, or better yet, a fucking navy.

>>31022267
>If they don't like it here, they can go back home.
See Ricky, the problem is that instead of going back home, they sometimes try to build bombs and kill people.

Statistically, the best thing you can say about importing a Muslim is that you have maybe a 50-50 chance of getting one who doesn't think you deserve to be imprisoned or killed for being a faggot. So if I were you, I'd be pretty worried.

>>31023082
>>31023085
It largely boils down to "fuck the public having modern guns" which is more or less the same reason the RCMP have that shitlist that includes the VZ58 and Mini 14.

>>31022171
>The average muslim living here doesn't give a fuck about the things you do or wear, they just want to be left alone to live their lives like the rest of us.
[CITATION NEEDED]

>And I'm still waiting for you to explain how helping the refugees prevents us from helping Canadians?

Resources are finite. Contrary to what your professors taught you, things like infrastructure, security services, medicare and logistics are not, in fact, conjured from Unicorn farts.

>People want more of this
http://funnyjunk.com/Islam+comp+the+key+to+succes+edition/funny-pictures/6004179/

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>>31023125
>funny-pictures

>>31023107
>It largely boils down to "fuck the public having modern guns"

Sounds about right. Damn, shame. I was probably the only guy on Canada General actually hyped about owning an ARX. Based on various YouTube tests I saw, it turned out to be bretty reliable for operating innacold.

>>31023152
I was skeptical of it, but I'll always welcome more additions to the market. I was actually hoping it would turn out well, though I wasn't really hyped for it. Shame it's prohib though, and the .22 model isn't.

I bought 3 pmags for my t97 2 of them don't fit and the one is stiff. What do I do? Am I allowed to sand them down so they can fit? Would doing that just take some trial and error?

>>31023189
Yeah go for it, it's only illegally modifying if you increase magazine capacity somehow, like modifying feed lips on a .40 cal magazine to feed 9mm more reliably.

>>31023189
Yes easiest way is to mark the mags with chalk insert and see where it rubs off the most. Usually its the spine of the mag that's too wide which causes the most problems.

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>>31023144
I like this one more

>>31023107
what else is supposedly on it? is there any tangible proof of said shitlist or is it just a paranoid /k/ meme?

>>31023265
I seem to recall the RCMP making a statement in the past about how worrying these specific guns are. I think there were like 6, but don't remember what they all were. I believe the SKS may have been in there
>Banning one of the all-time most widely-owned firearms

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>>31023220
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA

>>31023115
>Resources are finite. Contrary to what your professors taught you, things like infrastructure, security services, medicare and logistics are not, in fact, conjured from Unicorn farts.

People assume that everyone in the world is interchangeable and you can import thousands of whoever you want and they will just become good, Canadian libertarians with no problems. It's an unrealistic, pie-in-the-sky, fanciful, naive, head-up-your-own-arse way to look at the world. Unicorns will not fart glitter on to our faces as we dance around the world peace tree hand in hand. Not all cultures are the interchangeable, and they certainly aren't all equal.

This idiocy starts when children are taught that multiculturalism is the way, in grade school.

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>>31023220
Jebposting is good clean fun

>>31023265
"A case could be made to prohibit these firearms"
http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF

>>31023298
Fuck man I forgot about the Hi Standard Model 10 bit
>There are literally 8 of them registered
>We acknowledge that there are no other options for them for stocks whatsoever, and removing the bullpup stock makes it inoperable
>But we still need to prohibit it and have them turned in
>8 OF THEM GUYS IT'S A SERIOUS ISSUE
Never mind that it's a gun that fucking sucks and barely works anyways

>>31022522
Well you didn't pay them, for fuck's sake. And I never said pay people who don't do their job! I said they brought them in probably because they were supposed to work for cheap (apparently they were being paid $50 a day, with $35 held back until they got home, and pitched a fit when they heard some story about $15 an hour). And this was in response to someone else claiming that Trudeau refused international aid and then brought in the South Africans, because it would be more progressive. Which was evidently false.

>and that they should've instead attempted to fix up their country
That's really fucking easy to say, but a lot harder to do.

>Lately the numbers I've seen have been showing that they're only really useful for general manual labour
I was talking about Canadians on welfare and other forms of social assistance at that moment, not refugees. But on the subject of them, it's hardly easy to rebuild a life after moving to a far away country. Their prior work experience in Syria probably counts for nothing here.

>Give me a reason to give something away.
Also you're kinda making my point there... heh.

But more seriously, I'd argue that it's not charity if you have to personally know the person and have a reason to give them the money, food, or whatever. Then it's just a gift. When you throw money in a pot for "the people of Ft. Mac" that's charity. Subtle difference I know, but it's there. And on welfare and charity in general, you may be fortunate enough to never have to take social assistance, but not everyone is, including some of the people you love. If they do the responsible thing and use it only as the temporary measure that it's intended to be then there's no problem, they're not a fucking "moocher", and if society can help people with economic issues the same way it does with events like Ft. Mac, then it's hardly the 'forced charity' that it commonly framed as.

There's nothing wrong with taking refugees you racist cunts. We have plenty of room in our glorious country. Just forgetting Nunavut or the Yukon exists. I aspire to go to the Yukon for my family name

>>31023358
Sorry. Neglected to say I wanted to self sufficient camp for a month not actual live in that.

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>>31023341
>That's really fucking easy to say, but a lot harder to do.
It's not a matter of difficulty, it's a matter of principle. If an authoritarian dictator has assumed power in your country and your decision is to run a continent away so you can collect welfare and rape the locals instead of picking up a weapon and fighting for your country, you're a piece of shit. Period. No discussion.

>But on the subject of them, it's hardly easy to rebuild a life after moving to a far away country. Their prior work experience in Syria probably counts for nothing here.

See above.

>When you throw money in a pot for "the people of Ft. Mac" that's charity

For people of your country, yes.

>And on welfare and charity in general, you may be fortunate enough to never have to take social assistance, but not everyone is, including some of the people you love.

Helping people I love would L I T E R A L L Y be the definition of charity.

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>>31023115
>>31023341
>>31023358
keep that shit on /pol/ you massive cucks

>>31023358
There's an idea, force them into isolated colonies with no roads leading to them and a month or 2 of supplies, and tell them if they want to live they can build a road to civilization. If they die, oh well, and if they succeed now you have another road to the North. Then you just relocate them again.

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>>31023381
I'm looking into a revolver for my next handgun purchase. What's your recommendation, Anon?

>>31023383
Why would you relocate them again? They seem to be thriving. Resupply as needed is that not what we do for nationals that they want to become?

>>31023358
Great. Let's move them all to your neighborhood then. Because they sure as hell won't agree to live in Ikijukafuk or really anywhere north of 50.

>>31023402
>Why would you relocate them again?
Build more roads for us.
>They seem to be thriving. Resupply as needed is that not what we do for nationals that they want to become?
Except the point of refugees is to send them home when the crisis is over. By forcing them to build roads they can start to pay back the debt they owe us for taking care of them.

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>>31023398
Ruger GP100 or S&W 686
>in an ideal world, Russia would put the MP-412 REX in production, despite not having US market available, and send some our way, then you could buy the perfect modern break-action revolver and be content with life

>>31023408
If they don't agree then they don't really want to escape their country. Sure we have a lot of room. Sorry Toronto doesn't have room. Enjoy the Yukon.

>>31023431
>in an ideal world, Russia would put the MP-412 REX in production, despite not having US market available, and send some our way, then you could buy the perfect modern break-action revolver and be content with life

Why do we exist solely to suffer, Anon?

>>31023425
>Except the point of refugees is to send them home when the crisis is over.
ITT: conservatives have no idea how taking in refugees is supposed to work.

Seriously, as if being torn from your home once in your life is enough, you think the idea is to wait a few years for them to start to get their life in order and set down roots, and then ship them out again?

And conservatives wonder why I think their definition of charity sounds like total shit.

>>31023291
So if libruls are pie-in-the-sky mlp fags...

Does that make conservatives a bunch of edgy goths who can't shut up about doom-and-gloom and how horrible humanity as a whole is?

I mean seriously, liberals as a group don't believe this shit either. Noone is going to stand back with a dumb smile on their face like white people in those stormfag comics, while jihadists behead people in the street, and say "it's their culture". But from where we're standing it looks like you believe just being a "muslim" automatically makes someone a savage that is incapable of being involved in civilized society. There's no more logic in assuming an extreme negative based on no concrete information, anymore than assuming the extreme positive.

And the "thousands" are a drop in the bucket compared to our national population.

>>31023115
>Resources are finite
>proceeds to list things that aren't resources
Aside from the fucking roads, all the others are personal heavy fields that require proper training more than proper resources. I didn't realize the biggest thing limiting our health care was a shortage of gauze, and not the number of doctors and nurses working around the country.

>>31023431
>>31023439
What makes break-action preferable to... whatever it's called, where the cylinder pivots out?

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>>31023451
>Charity
>Forcing residents to accept people regardless of whether or not they want to
Ignoring that, refugees shouldn't be staying for years. Nor should we have taken any in this case anyways, they should be back in Syria, sorting their own country out.
>>31023454
>I didn't realize the biggest thing limiting our health care was a shortage of gauze, and not the number of doctors and nurses working around the country.
Are you suggesting the 1/100000 3rd world tier doctor who wouldn't even make it into medical school here is worth accepting the rest of them, especially considering he probably won't even speak English?

>>31023380
>Helping people I love would L I T E R A L L Y be the definition of charity.
What I'm saying is, if you only help people you know and love, is it really charity? Because you already know and love them, it's fucking easy to give them help when they need it.

There's more charity in stopping to help a stranger repair a flat tire than in buying your mom a mansion because you won the lottery, is what I'm saying.

>>31023454
>Noone is going to stand back with a dumb smile on their face like white people in those stormfag comics, while jihadists behead people in the street, and say "it's their culture"

Except when this is EXACTLY what's happening in Western Yurop

>>31023454
Skilled Personnel aren't resources that require both time and finances

FROM EACH ACCORDING TO HIS ABILITY, TO EACH ACCORDING TO HIS NEED
AMIRITE COMRADE
HUMANS ARE TOTALLY LIKE ANT COLONIES MY MAN

>>31023451
They're meant to seek refuge, not a new home replete with gibsmedats. But i guess you've been cock-slapped in the face too many times to think straight and make that connection.

>>31023457
faster reload, but mostly it's just SEXY AS FUAAAARK
also, REX has a mechanism that ejects the spent casings as you snap it open, being ready for a quick speedloader reload but also looking SEXY AS FUAAAARK in the process of making all that brass fly out of the cylinder when it snaps open

in comparison: standard wheelgun will roll out the cylinder like some kind of old lady in a wheelchair and then you gotta shake the empties our like you're trying to find your keys in your purse

>>31023485
>There's more charity in stopping to help a stranger repair a flat tire than in buying your mom a mansion because you won the lottery, is what I'm saying.
There's no charity in the government forcing you to help anyone, regardless of who's helping who. Then it's just self preservation, not selflessness.

>>31023454
This may surprise you but an increase in population may lead to an increased work load for doctors and local paramedics. Which in turn needs an increase in federally, provincially and municipally increased taxes

>>31023470
No I didn't say hire them as doctors, I even noted in an earlier post that their work experience isn't valid here, which is probably one of the things making it hard for the to find any jobs other than manual labour.

What I actually said was that claiming a shortage of resources is a bullshit reason to say no, especially when all the things you proceed to list aren't resources. 45,000 people aren't going to break our infrastructure, health care, security, or logistics systems. And if they create a need for more doctors, then the capitalist system will do what it does best, and fill that need, because more people will train to become doctors, seeing the opportunity that is there.

>>31023503
So what i'm getting here is that you want to fuck the gun. That desire is not totally alien to me.

And now that you describe it so lovingly, i see how it could be more practactical. Lots of clearance behind the cylinder to load rounds once you flip it open.

If i ever get my restricted license, it'll be for a revolver. Want so bad

>>31023398
.357/.38spl for sure
Ruger GP100
S&W 686/586 (Stainless/blued)
Chiappa rhino for something weird a bit too expensive for what it is.
Alfa project if you don't have alot of money (or Taurus but they have a bad track record)

>>31023457
>whatever it's called, where the cylinder pivots out?
Swing out cylinder

Top breaks like the other anon said are faster to load and unload. They fell out of favor because cartridge power developed faster than metallurgy at that time period. The design is inherently weaker than a full framed revolver.
Now with better understanding of alloys and heat treating its possible to make these revolvers in larger calibers than previously seen but the design has largely fallen out of favor.

>>31023524
>What I actually said was that claiming a shortage of resources is a bullshit reason to say no, especially when all the things you proceed to list aren't resources.
Different person.
>45,000 people aren't going to break our infrastructure, health care, security, or logistics systems.
System is already strained as is, no need for more useless fuckheads, especially ones who hate this society.
> And if they create a need for more doctors, then the capitalist system will do what it does best, and fill that need, because more people will train to become doctors, seeing the opportunity that is there.
Given that medical schools rely almost entirely on government funding to make it even halfway affordable (IIRC it's about $25,000/year in Ontario for citizens because of this and $100,000/year for non-citizens who don't get subsidized) and instead of using the money to open more spots for medical school training, we waste it on useless shitheads who will never integrate or contribute to this society in any meaningful way.

>>31023536
Do you think any of those concerns are reasonable anymore, when it comes to modern technology? Or is there pretty much no risk within normal use?

>>31023531
well, I wouldn't go that far, but I'd finger-fuck the shit out of it if I could, that's for sure
as far as revolvers go, with the strong ejection that clears the casings out of the cylinder completely and the convenient drop-down placement for the speed-loader, MP412 is indeed probably the most practical revolved you could get (if you could get it), in the sense that you could do really fast reloads, thus doing what you can to compete with the blowback semi-auto dosing pistols

but really, if we're being honest, you aren't going to win any competitions with the fastest revolver against a tuned up semi-auto. so it is almost entirely about the coolness factor and enjoyment, rather than practicality

>>31023503
>you gotta shake the empties
In a movie where the actor doesn't know how to use an ejector rod maybe.
I've never had any issue with mine, just pop it open and give a quick tap on the rod and they all fly out, quick as can be

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>>31023556
Not for .357mag at least don't think i'd want to try it with anything bigger.

There are two modern top brakes produced in .357the MP 412 "Rex" that passed prototyping there are new production Webley revolvers although they start at 10kUSD and are limited to a 50 per year from some frumpy British manufacturer.
Also there are modern repro's of Schofield No.3 revolvers in 38spl

So its totally possible to make them stronger but it would seem the reasonable limit using steel is currently .357mag.

>>31023586
>the break-action of the revolver launches the casings clear from the cylinder in one fluid motion, so by the time the cylinder is open, it's also clear
>roll it out, reach for the ejector rod, push the casings out, maybe struggle with a couple
it's still a way faster reload desing than even a good swing-out

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>>31023619
>modern
>that thing

Why do we as a lifetime paying member of our country have to give political refugees desirable land? If you want to leave your country enjoy where Santa lives. We are giving you the freedom that Santa represents.

>>31023636
Its based on an old design but now its in 357 with 7 rounds. You realize that almost all revolvers are based on designed that are +70 years old with the exception Emilio Ghisoni designs (Mateba/Rhino)

>>31023636
To put it in perspective
The first revolver designed with a swing out cylinder was the Colt Model 1889 if you compare it to modern revolvers not a whole lot has changed.

>>31023665
so a reproduction musket made in the current year is modern?
REX is really the only modern break action revolver and it stupefies me that no American company made a cool ripoff and cashed in big by becoming the only game in town for that niche

I would like to apologize for all the people arguing using this thread. But in a thought had a Canadian thread, you'll just get
>A leaf
So thank you for being a Canadian and understanding

>>31023727
Fuck. If you posted this on /pol/
That can't even be an autocorrect just stupidty

>>31023717
You fail to realize that the rex was probably using the same system as the webley it just looks newer and is built by more modern standards.

As for your musket reference it doesn't work a musket repro isn't modernized it can't handle anything more than it was designed to originally.
Where as the new Webley has been upgraded to function with modern ammunition therefore it is modernized.
There is more to the definition of modernize than to make something look new.

Canada is shit and I hope the Americans annex us already. This thread proves that even our gun owners are fucking faggot Trudeau supporting weedmen

>>31023773
>One idiot is being an idiot
>We all need to cease to exist
By that standard you have a country that could potentially elect Clinton, what needs to happen to them? Nerve gas?

>>31023731
Fuck you what's dumb about apologising for shit that isn't relevant to the board. Yeah maybe Canadian culture relies on apologising too much but meet me on the center line I'll fucking show you we can talk

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>>31023751
>redesigned and built using new and improved technologies, incorporating new ideas and improving on the old ones, making for a substantially different construction and mechanism from the original

>a replica of the old revolver, visually and technologically, but made with superior materials, with better tolerances and using superior tools, so it can withstand a round different than the original

yeah, I think you are the one who is missing the point here, but sure, I'm a dummy who thinks because it looks tacticool, it must be modern and the wooden handle one is grandpappy's blunderbuss

What we got? The hockey song? Was he even Canadian?

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>>31023863
Stompin' Tom Connors uh yeah he was Canadian.

>>31023879
He wasn't great but he made the hockey song. God damn

>>31023898
>He doesn't like some of the amazing songs of Stompin' Tom Conners like the Ketchup Song and Bud the Spud
Get a load of this guy

>>31021708
>>ignoring that the refugees are being thoroughly screened and that most of them are women and children

>he thinks you can effectively screen people who live in a fucking sandbox in a country with no data collection or infrastructure and have never been on a fucking airplane before

If they're muslims, we don't need them. Their ideology is violent and damaging at it's very core. Read the fucking quran and get back to me.

We should be taking in Christians and Yazidis but we're not.

>>31022171
>ou're practically spitting on the idea by proudly declaring you hate people just for being different

It's not "for being different" you bleeding heart pussy. Their values are directly opposing to our own. They are not a tolerant culture. They support throwing faggots off of buildings, killing apostates and infidels, treating women like a slave class, child marriage, and spreading this trash culture by any violent means necessary, which is specifically proscribed in their holy text. Stop jerking off about how tolerant you are and realize that islam is wholly incompatible with a modern Western liberal democracy.

>hurr just let the raccoons into your house anon why are you so intolerant

>>31024666
I agree. I don't see any good that came from Quran. I'd say it's a destructive religion.

>>31021200
>AR15 petition: lol no
>Property Rights petition: lol no

Fucking seriously?
I kind of expected it but it's a whole other thing to see it actually happen

>>31024817
>We're going to listen to what the public wants
>Unless they want something we don't want, then they can eat shit

>>31021200
Guys, let's try something here
Let's have a petition to prohibit it
Then we see how quick they are to use 117.15 to do it
Then we make a big deal out of it, with a counter petition and all
Call they hypocrites as many times as possible on public TV
In a nutshell we throw a big fucking tantrum and cause trouble for the govt
Why? For fun

OR

We contact Armalite/Colt/Eugene Stoner
We get them to say the M16 is a variant of the AR15 (which it is)
Sue the govt or something
Throw a tantrum
Try to get it legal by other means

>>31022874

An aluminum receiver for SU-16's is definitely something I've considered. I'd have to buy a SU-16 first, though. Ain't got no money fo' dat right now.

>my father applied for sustenance hunter because he didn't want to pay 60 dolladillos for a PAL
Will it work?

Anybody got an opinion on Guelph Rod and Gun club?

>>31024946
Hello officer. Thanks for keeping our streets safe but your fudd trickeries have no place here.

Which of the LAR magazines fit fine in the T97?

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>>31027446
These ones. I haven't had any issues with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uL51oqwNYA
:26 in.

>>31027497

Are these the CPD ones?

>>31027721
RRA

>>31027796

Who sells those?

So in the eyes of the RCMP, you could buy 100 NR guns and they would never know?

>>31022171
The benefit of importing muslim shitskins is far outweighed by the risk. The risks are admittedly low, but the benefits are almost non existent. There is no good that will come of this massive influx of third worlders we are getting.

So AL Flaherty's is having a sale for T97 FTU. It's about 1230$ after tax. I swear when I saw that price yesterday the product name had Used in it, however it no longer says Used. If i didn't misread it, what are the definite signs of it having been used before?

>>31028168
ya nigga, and unlimited ammo and body armour. no waiting period no registration.

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should I hold my breath?

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>>31028477
yup, I saw that one too, they had it on sale as used (I think they even posted on CGN with some first name attached to it, so they are probably trying to pawn off a rifle previously owned by one of the people working there), now it's back to stock description at same price

I wouldn't put it past them to sell you a used gun, Anon. this whole CGN meme that Al Flaherty's is bro-tier is complete bullshit.

I once came there ready to buy a rifle, only having the dude bring out a "new" one from the back that had the box ripped in the areas where you normally open it, which clearly indicated they or someone else opened it before and didn't even take care when doing so. figured they were trying to sell me something that someone else had returned, told them I'm not interested and went home.

Since we don't have gun rights in our Constitution, how do you respond when someone tells you that nobody NEEDS high capacity mags, that good hunters should only require 1-2 shots to kill, and the risks to society outweigh gun owners' hobby?

We can't just say "fuck off" like the Americans can.

>>31021286
I bought 2 just to sell the second one. People laugh when I say I invest in gun futures, until they see the price increases a few years later.

>>31028698
oh baby

inb4 $1500+

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>>31028698
I wouldn't
not even because it might get classified as AK variant
but because of the commonality of reviews like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeFwAfhF7c
>eventually M+M got it working half-decently for the guy, AFTER having sent it in for warranty repairs twice and having gone through 2 new uppers and 1 new lower
but considering the reason people like AK is reliability, and assuming you are interested in this rifle because it seems like the closest thing to an AK you might get without spending 3k and up on a Tonto-preowned Valmet, you might want to avoid it

>>31028979
try $1500 USD
>at least it was in US, when it came out
I know CanAmmo does a good job cutting down prices, but with the exchange rate, it's not likely it'll be less than $1500 maple pesos
+
see above, you are likely to buy more headache than rifle for your money with this one

>>31027984
Got them from one of the gun stores in Edmonton. Otherwise I don't know what online place sells them.

>>31028837
sure, nobody needs regular capacity magazines, but it would be nice to have them for convenience, since sports shooters today spend more time reloading mags than enjoying the sport. nobody NEEDS Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Porsches either, or any other car that can go 300km/h, but we let people have them because we live in a free society where we are allowed to possess things other than just basic necessities of existence, and where we do not dictate to one another how each should live and enjoy life, so long as it doesn't interfere with the freedoms and enjoyment of life of others (which firearms clearly do not, in fact many more people are injured or die in speeding car crashes than in firearm-related accidents).

sure, a good hunter might be able to kill an animal quickly and humanely with 1-2 shots, but nobody is born a good hunter. what about novice hunters, should an animal be able to run away and suffer for hours or even days just because someone is a novice hunter or maybe a good hunter whose elbow slipped?

sure, I can understand the apprehension people feel, but risks to society are a problem of perception, not reality. we do not have a serious crime problem in Canada and do not have a gun crime problem either. if you show people statistics of just how many quiet law abiding gun owners we have in Canada vs the tiny amount of gun crime in proportion, you don't need to do much convincing. the facts speak for themselves here and most people will tell you "wow, I didn't know we had so many guns and gun owners in this country" to which you would respond, "why would you? they're all good law abiding citizens, none of them commit crime, so unless you personally know some of them, you wouldn't know about them any more than you would about the percentage of the population that collects stamps. it's just people like you and me, quietly enjoying their hobbies of hunting and sports shooting"

>>31028837
>and the risks to society outweigh gun owners' hobby?
What risks?
In the united states scaled down they have around 35 homicides per year solely with rifles compared to our 37 with rifles and shotguns.

There is absolutely no risk as we already have these "high capacity" (standard) magazines and rarely are there homicides with them. Ban cars and pools if we want to put safety before wants.

Further on the car thing, you're not entitled to drive. It's not a right and you can find work within walking distance of your home. Cars kill a ridiculous number of people per year and you can live your entire life without touching one. They're better at killing people than firearms are.

>>31028792

Yea just called them up. Asked if they're brand new and the guy tells me they don't sell used guns.

>>31029620
>had the used FTU, posted about it on CGN
>last week were selling a used XCR, also with ad on CGN
>"we don't sell used guns"
yeah, cream of the crop these guys