Latest Chinese Tank Falls Apart in Russian Tank Bialthon

How the fuck do the Chinese manage any foreign sales?

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>>31003389
They sell very simple items and ripoffs originally created by others. The rest is just Bribery.

Anything that they have originally designed is always pure and utter shit. Planes, tanks, ships, subs, missiles, etc.

>T-72 hits something and not only breaks the idler wheel but cracks open the hull

Accidents happen.

>ZTZ-96 hits something and loses a roadwheel

HAHA FUCKING CHINKSHIT!!!

>>31003454
It didn't hit something it just went over basic road bumps. If it hit something really that hard the whole thing would crumple like paper.

>>31003479
The road bumps were what made the roadwheel finally give, that T-72's idler wheel didn't fall off right away either.

>>31003454
Losing roadwheels due to the terrain is not something that should be happening to a tank.

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>>31003479
>>31003541
We had this thread yesterday,
Going ~50mph climbing ledges, hitting bumps, doing sicc skids, and catching some air will eventually cause some damage
It shouldn't have fallen but it still functioned and went pretty fast. They managed 2nd place without it.

>>31003454
Here's a shocker:

We think both are shitty

>>31003900
It functioned for all of a few seconds after the trial.

Doesn't mean it isn't wasn't going to have a catastrophic failure or slip a tread entirely minutes later.

>>31003378
To be fair, all 4 tanks competing broke in some way during that final phase.

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>>31003928
>We think both are shitty
>We

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Chinese themselves are pretty chill about it.

After all, the T-72s all broke down repeatedly and were switched out as well. And they still did 2nd place.

>>31003378
> Latest Chinese Tank Falls Apart
>still wins
This is how war against China would be. Infinte unstoppable zerg rush.

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>>31003378
Japanese tanks lose the complete track and have to be towed away during a public excercise on absolutely flat terrain.

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>>31004243
>inb4 Type 10 is a new tank and has always issues etc.

It happens with their old tanks as well.

>>31003979
Slav shit.

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>>31003378

Tank Biathlon 2015:

While the Chinese tank only lost a idler wheel, the T-72B3 then lost a critical sprocket wheel.

A tank losing an idler still can run, but a lost spocket will immobilize it.

Which is what happened with the T-72

Save this pic for future anti-troll BTFO solutions.

>>31003881
It is if the roadwheel was previously damaged from hitting something.

>>31004243
>>31004253
Throwing a track is a tried and true hobby of pretty much every tank since the British Mark I tank.
Breaking off an idler wheel is testament to shitty manufacturing.

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>>31004385
Throwing off tracks over flat terrain with little speed is still testament of the failure of the Japanese manufacturing, which is more meme than reality.

Here, have some menstruating Type 90, Japan's main battle tank.

>>31004317
50¢ have been deposited in your account

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>>31004422
a debit of 50 pennies have been charged from your account.

Troll attempt failed. CIA/NSA is dissapointed about your performance.

if you fail some more, you will never pay back your 40k USD student-loans.

>>31004239
> wins

Is 2nd place a Chinese 1st?

>>31004435
BURN

>>31004405
We aren't talking about the nips giving your people nightmares, Chang.

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>>31004195
>he thinks the t72 is an acceptable tank
Here comes slavorivich to spread false counterflags

>>31004405
It is a testament to the crew not tensioning the track correctly, which is much less embarrassing than losing an entire roadwheel.

>>31004435
It's adorable that you don't understand that wealth is based on income, not savings.

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>>31004452
Japan is mostly a joke today, not even worth talking about.

Only that they think that they are still some hot shit today while in reality they are long past their peak of the 80s.

Even their manufacturing and technologies are shitty:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10543126

>>31004435

Bank accounts and credit card debt aren't put on the same checking account. You would know that if your government allowed you to open a bank account with rice rations.

>>31004435
>Chinese debt statistics watered down by hundreds of millions of Chinese living in 3rd world conditions

>>31004463
income that cant even satisfy the demand of buying a house or even a TV set without resorting in multiple overlapping credit cards.

Chinese all buy their houses in cash and ravage luxury stores in Hong Kong and Paris with handbags filled with cash.

>>31004474
> they aren't worth talking about
> keeping talking about about Japan in an attempt to deflect from China's broken tanks

You keep up this poor excuse for shilling and your supervisor won't give you your helping of tiger penis and monkey brains

>>31004474
>China finally makes a plane equal to the F-2 with the J-10B

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>>31004503
So, are we talking about America now?

Pic related.

>>31004493

I'm sure you visit hong kong every month with your internet defense force paychecks.

>>31004520
The J-10A of 1998 was already equal.

F-2 still has the shittiest 1st gen AESA ever developed, putting its range below that of a 70's twisted cassegrain made by the USSR.

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>>31004522
More Japan quality (which is, in extension, American quality since the Japs are totally dependent on the US for everything).

>>31004533
>The J-10A of 1998 was already equal.

No, it wasn't. And that is not even addressing Chinese engine issue.

>>31004549
What in the fuck is happening in this picture?

>>31004522
>American sub after a half year tour at sea
>Chinese sub that never leaves sight of shore

>>31004554
Do you want to imply that the Japanese had any own engines back then? F-110 by GE.

The J-10A uses the specially modified AL-31FN.

And the range of the Type 1473H pulse doppler with its initially 120km range (now 160km) is still better than the J/APG-1 (kek, Japs have to put a "J" into every shit they have, what self important wankers) with its 30km range.

>>31004588
breaking into two pieces between two waves, due to bad hull integrity.

>>31004522
Once China's silent service matches the level of Russian 1970s mariners the USA will have to get off its ass.

Although tbf the third offset makes that all a little redundant. Humans are fine for boomers but who needs an SSN when there are autonomous wet drone swarms.

>>31003454
To be fair to the slavshit, the tanks the Russians use at the event are upgraded versions of very, very old T-72s (they wouldn't even be equipped to combat brigades) and probably have taken a beating over 30+ years of service.

Why are China threads always filled with baittastic posts?

Half the posts are just accusing each other of shilling

why?

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>>31004637
China's rise rustles quite a few jimmies.

People simple cant talk objectively about China.

Imagine that kid in school everyone considered to be a gay faggot, was bad at everything and was the casual daily bully target #1?
Imagine if he lifts weight and got swole, suudently gets straight A in everything but ethics and religions classes, and openly declines any hastily sent out invitation of his former bullies who now want to have him in their circles and clubs, so that they can feel reassured that the old 'newcomer' isnt going to get his revenge?
Problem is, he is out to get his revenge. And no amount of sweet words will sway him in his path. That bullied kid is now an edgy would-be school-schooter and he has, over the years, assembled an impressive arsenal of weapons and ammunition, reaches out to other bully victims to join him and does everything to undermine the previous pecking order of that school.

Now you know why you cant talk about China.

China is an existencial threat to the old bullies who fear for their lives.

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>>31004695

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>>31004736
what's happening in this one?

>>31004599
>Do you want to imply that the Japanese had any own engines back then? F-110 by GE.

The engines Japan used actually had a lifespan.

>the J/APG-1 (kek, Japs have to put a "J" into every shit they have, what self important wankers) with its 30km range.

Just like how the J-20's IRST can pick up a F-22 at more than 150km.

>>31004695
this is a dumb post
China-posters please go away

Like the edgy teenager you describe, china's bizzare complexes that it developed due to it's strange political choices, made in the 1940s through 1980s made it politically isolate itself from anybody.

China's choice to not follow the rest of the world into modernity until very late in the game was not a western betrayal, it was poor leadership. This is straight up anti-western propaganda.

>>31004762
they're flying RC planes

>>31004786
why are their own planes are doing a turnaround towards their own bases?

>>31004786
>>31004799
and they all look surprised

>>31004695
> totally not Chinese here guys but China is great

>>31004637
China is used to being the 'big' country that bosses around its neighboring 'small' countries, which is why they REEEEE so hard at a 'bigger' country like America telling them to knock it off.

And this is spiced up with an absolutely massive inferiority complex.

>>31004695
the chinese inferiority complex has no limits. I guess that's the world you live in when you have a small dick.

>>31004528

Not the guy you're responding to, but yes, that's a fairly accurate representation of mainland purchasing habits.

>>31004522
But which one can be heard on sonar 300 miles away :^)

>>31003378
can still stelth and fly better then the f35 lol

>>31004784

You might want to look at what happened during the century before 1940 before you say anything about western betrayal.

>>31004243
Throwing a track is not even remotely comparable to an entire fucking road wheel shearing off the hull. Tanks throw tracks all the time. Road wheels don't fall off unless the tank is shoddily built.

>>31003378
It happened before. The russians bumped them and wrecked the chink tank 2 years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHwDu5sUYGs

>>31004522
Why does the Chink sub have windows? Shouldn't sub's have minimal structural weaknesses as possible?

>>31004385
>Breaking off an idler wheel is testament to shitty manufacturing.

so is a rupturing a gun barrel apparently.

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>>31004385
>Breaking off an idler wheel is testament to shitty manufacturing.

so is a rupturing a gun barrel apparently

>>31003415
i guess 80% of your countries imports are acutally produced in china. think about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yymGgn2cfG0

>>31005036
Yes. The west is horrible and treacherous so it should never be trusted. That's why you're convincing idiot gwailo that China is superior even though they're ignorant and brainwashed so it falls upon deaf ears. How dare they stand against your might?

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>>31005700
>Why does the Chink sub have windows? Shouldn't sub's have minimal structural weaknesses as possible?
because the windows are made of rice paper.

whats better

build something super strong with topnotch enigineering and mulitmillindollar investments

or

build something easy replaceable without wasting resources or long development circles

???

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>>31004317
China used serial Type-96 and they had troubles with tracks (quality control). That T-72 also was serial. Russian team useв then and uses now custom T-72B4 model, it can be called T-72B3M. In this year China had custom Type-96 too, Biathlon version. More powerful engine, e.t.c. That's the thing - not serial tank broke, custom tank for biathlon broke on biathlon.
Anyway, I don't really think, that overweight Western tanks will be able to compete with light East models in such competition.

>>31005700
It probably has a shallower diving depth. They can't be that dumb.. Right?

>>31006161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSu6Z_dFunQ

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>>31003454
>hit wall straight on
>get damaged
>????
>leaned: make tanks out of diamonds

>>31006161
>useв
>в

Anyway, having a custom-modified tank break is actually more damning than having a normal factory production tank break.

>>31006901
I'm kinda sad for this guys. They knew only outdated T-54 and T-55 before. Now they are in unknown machines in a race against best crews of ground armies on planet. Poor guys.

>>31006967
>best crews of best ground armies
>>31006952
Yep. They increased engine power to 1200-1300h.p., and looks like even more lowered roadwheels weight. And that's what they've got.

>>31006901
what's going on here? not a tanker

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>>31007068
tank supposed to drive up wall and then climb it, but that tank just went thru it.

>>31006967

They have M1A2's

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>>31007126
I thoughts that what they were supposed to do?

>>31004230

Can someone translate?

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Anyone ever been in a tank in actual combat or are you all armchair generals?

>>31004405
lolis, amiright?

>>31007213
I've never been in a tank in combat but one time I drove a mack truck up your mom's gaping vagina. True story.

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>>31007251
NO U POUND SAND.... UP THE EYE OF UR COCK!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>31004195

I hope America gets an invite next year.

>>31004549
They produce their own shit, we just protect them from China after they donkey punched him. Them fighting is bad for everyone but China, and us especially.

>>31007129
Non sequitur?

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>>31004695
>China is a superpower or approaching superpower status

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>>31007304
they were invited, but got butt hurt that they failed in Ukraine and Russia played them at their own game

>>31007213
My ARMA 3 unit leader was an Abrams commander.

>>31007251
Who hasn't am i rite?

>>31007213
What do you think you will accomplish by saying shit like this on the internet?

>>31007339
Vatniks still pretending the US engineered a coup so they can rationalize Russia's behavior.

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>>31003378
Wich countries are participating in the Tank Biathlon 2016?

>>31006166
It's probably not a part of the main pressure hull and is designed to have equal pressure inside as the water does outside. It's probably not supposed to be occupied during underwater operation. Just speculating though.

>>31003378
If you watch the .gif closely you will notice the wheel was already broken at the start.

>>31006161

Gif it.

Put the Tokyo Drift song with the "Ah Fuck" kid at the end.

>>31007175
>This is Zimbabwe for you

>>31006011

I'm not sure how you got to your conclusion there.

I'm pointing out that the Chinese government has a pretty legitimate beef with the west from a historical standpoint. They've made loads of terribly bad decisions within the last few decades, but much of those decisions are shaped from the lessons they've experienced a century beforehand.

>>31007171
RAWNIN IN DA NINETIES!

>>31010972
The CCP didn't exist during the 'century of shame', hid from Japan's occupational army and largely erased traditional Chinese culture.

>>31011020

I'm not sure how the communists not existing has anything to do with the shit kicking China received during this time.

>>31011068
You are right, the CCP existed during the latter half of that time period.

The CCP used foreign intervention (it wasn't just the West) to its advantage, which makes it quite amusing to an outside viewer when the CCP uses the humiliation China suffered to validate their own existence.

>>31011429

I still don't follow your logic. Just because the CCP wasn't in power or wasn't existed doesn't mean that people who are part of the regime are somehow not Chinese and have no history?

>>31011576
>the Chinese government has a pretty legitimate beef with the west from a historical standpoint
>the Chinese government used the west to come into power from a historical standpoint

It's pretty simple.

>>31003378
>Made In China

>>31011643

>the Chinese government used the west to come into power from a historical standpoint

I'm afraid I'm going to need to be walked through on this one

>>31011665
Then your homework is to study the history of the CCP prior to 1949.

>>31011672
Oh, and remember when you say West you actually mean anyone not China.

>>31011693
nigger (___)___):::::::::::::::::::::::::::D

>>31011672
>>31011693

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at, are you saying the communists came into power using the argument that western ideology is bad and that they were fighting against it? I guess I can sort of agree to that.

If not I'm don't know what you're trying to say, that the west somehow put the communists in power?

>>31003378
Everything i buy from China breaks too.

>>31007167

the fact that the tank went through the wall means it may have not been able to climb it

that's a problem for the tank

>>31004456
>He thinks im talking about the T-72

>>31006967
Kuwait operated Yugo M-84's during desert storm.

So they are not new to T-72's

>>31003378
It's like you fucks have never actually worked with armored vehicles. Shit happens, hit breaks. I have seen an M1 Abrams sheer the outer drive sprocket off while drifting in the fort knox mud. Hard use and stuff will break it's just the way the world works.

>>31006161

I think the russians are using normal T-72B3 this year

and the new chinese tank was accepted for army service i.e. serial while the T-72B4 was not

>>31012203
>shear the outer drive sprocket off

The sprocket or its bolts? That's actually the result of reusing old bolts during sprocket maintenance; they're always supposed to use new ones. Old ones that have been loosened to replace a sprocket aren't within spec anymore and will shear.

>>31012203
s-stope ruining our circle jerk

>>31012550

>>31007337

>>31012203
I saw the same thing happen with a Leopard.
Leopards are some of the most irreliable tanks
that I have the misfortune to work, especially
those that are 20-years and above.

I don't see the most modern Chinese Tank, the
Type 99, taking part in this competition. So
yeah even the Title itself is a misnomer.
>>31012550
>Keep Jerking, Grunt

>>31012559

You don't need to spam newline so much.

>Leopards are some of the most unreliable tanks that I've ever had the misfortune to work on

Are you telling us that the Internet memes about the Leo being so much more dependable than the M1 aren't true?

>>31012559
I think that's more so that shit is just complicated as fuck. When you consider how big, fast, and complicated modern armor is and then factor in that they're probably not getting the maintenance that they need, plus after long enough shit just wears out, it's not surprise that stuff fails once in a while.

>>31012566
Yes, not sure about the newer models though,
never worked with any of them

The engine issues with the older ones (The
2A4s) however can fill a goddamn library.
I lost count how many breakdowns the Tanks had every deployment and had to be towed
back to base.

>>31012576
Could be.
I am pretty curious on whether the other MBTs (Challenger/Type 98/T72/M1A1/Merkava/Leclerc) had the same issues.

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>>31003378
But everyone knows that the Type 99 is the current "new" Chinese tank.

>Thinking the Type 96 is new.

>>31012559
>>31012780

The 96 >B< is the latest Chinese MBT in a very literal sense. China also apparently intends to standardize on it, which makes this relevant.

>>31004243
japs never could make tanks.

why would a island locked country even need them?

>>31003389
Nobody with money buys Chinese shit. It's just african and muslim countries

>>31012852
>track tension is an inherent function of manufacturing quality

W-What.

>>31012907
why put money and effort into a vehicle you barely use? They rather use APCs and even use wheels on them.

>>31012549
the bolts sheared off and the sprocket itself also cracked so it could not be reused. Another tank had to be used to rescue it so we could get it unstuck enough to get the track off and replace the sprocket. This was back in '02 when I was there as a student.

>>31012928

Bolts shearing sounds pretty typical for reused bolts; the sprocket cracking could be a result of the violence of coming off afterwards, but that's still bad, yeah.

>>31012980
The way I figured was mud was building up between the track and road wheels and as the tank went into a turn (while accelerating) the lateral pressure combined with the track being stretched caused it to break lose one one side first, crack and bend slightly then shear off the rest. It was a real fun time trying to recover that bitch.

>>31013008

That's certainly possible. You were there to personally inspect the sprocket, so you're probably in a better position to judge what happened than I am. I was just offering an alternate (and probably too common) explanation.

Don't reuse your bolts, folks.

>>31004474
buys a new Komatsu
> Hanomag made in Germany

Buys an old Komatsuu
> everything's rusted as fuck out

Japan's always been shit at manufacturing anything bigger than home HiFi

>>31005700
I'd imagine that area is not pressurized and is there for rough seas/stormy weather viewing. The Russians did the same thing in the '70s.