PTR 91

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>>30997877
>Who wants to talk about PTR-91's with me for a bit?
Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me!
>i would like to buy a PTR-91 FR
Good choice, especially now that they come with the paddle mag release.
>Anyone have luck suppressing one?
I've read up on it a bit; it requires changing the locking piece to adjust the roller-delay.
>Anyone love or hate their PTR and want to tell me about it?
I love my 91GI-R. It's pretty accurate even with cheaper ammo (2-4 MOA depending on manufacturer), and reliable. Mags are still pretty cheap and widely available, although you'll get some worn-out melons which don't feed very well. It does a number on fired cases though; especially in the summer when it's very warm. They get dents in the wall from the ejection port lip, then the case neck gets dented if they hit something hard on the ground. Recoil is more of a shove than a kick because of the roller-delay; internet complains about it but it's softer than any of my milsurp bolt-action rifles.

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Do it OP. If you want a battle rifle get the GI. If you want a sick DMR get the F version. Mine is 1-1.5 with anything I feed it. 1.5 with perfecta all day, erryday. Need a bigger scope for mine to find out its real potential.

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Master race reporting.

I absolutely love my ptr91fr. I recently purchased a used 3x9x40 bushnell. (impulse buy at LGS). Will post pics eventually.

>>30997877
My PTR 91 GI arrives in at the FFL tomorrow. I'm pretty hyped.

Does anyone have a sling to recommend?

> TFW green wide handgaurds sold out
> Buying a black one and painting it
> I am sad, but satisfied at the same time

>>30998280
>>30998760
Thanks guys, is there anything that can be done to make it easier on the ejected brass, a mod to the ejection port lip perhaps? How about just using steel case ammo, will it eat that fine?

I am looking forward to it and PTR seems like a good solid company.

The general consensus I'm getting is that it's worth the $900 from Atlantic (unless I can find one cheaper) for the GI-R, is that correct?

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>>30999771
>is there anything that can be done to make it easier on the ejected brass, a mod to the ejection port lip perhaps?
If you get one without the welded rail you can get a clip-on buffer with a rubber pad to cushion the lip; but the welded rail interferes. I know one Anon with a railed GI had the German G3A3A1-style welded-on case deflector (see pic, the flange sticking out behind the port) installed, then glued a piece of velcro to the inside of it. This provided the same effect, but required permanent modification of the rifle.
>How about just using steel case ammo, will it eat that fine?
It was born to eat steel case; that's all the Germans were making in 1945 when this mechanism was first designed. I just don't care for the bi-metal projectiles most steel-case ammo is loaded with.

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OP here, this is the one I am currently looking at, I will ask the dude tomorrow what model it is. He noted that it was manufactured before the company moved to their new location. The lower rail looks shorter than the FR's i have seen pictured. Is this thing an FR? And is it still worth getting since it does not look like it has the paddle mag release? is that something I can add without too much fuss?

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>>30999801
That's what I paid for mine, and mine didn't have a paddle mag release or a steel lower.

>>30999941
>Is this thing an FR?
No, that's an older "F" model; no welded top rail (which is the "R" in "FR") or paddle magazine release. There's a clamp-on top rail in the picture, though.

How much does he want for it?

>>30999941
That is an FR without the paddle. You can add a tac latch, send it off to a gunsmith ($200), or just get use to the button. What's he asking? Remember that new ones come with the rail welded on and the paddle included. Make sure you are getting a good deal.

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>>30999916
good to know, thanks anon. looking forward to getting one.

>>30999976
$850 for that one. Should i spring for a newer one?

this seemed decent for the model with the aluminum hand guard and rails, 50 rounds shot in it since new supposedly.

>>31000024
That's a pretty good deal to be honest. A new with the rail and paddle is $1100.

>>31000093
how much better is the paddle release, can i retrofit one in without major surgery?

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>>30999771
>>30999916
>mfw shoot at indoor range that collects your brass
>mfw they will collect all my shitty torn up brass

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>>31000024
>$850 for that one. Should i spring for a newer one?
Not bad. Atlantic Firearms sells the 91FR, with pre-installed paddle mag release and welded-on top rail for ~$1050. Installing the paddle release will cost you about $150-200 from one of the gunsmiths that specialize in doing it, like Jeff Walters or Bill Springfield.

>>31000103
>can i retrofit one in without major surgery?
A bit of grinding, some precision drill press work, and some welding. Scroll down to "Paddle Magazine Catch"
http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/notes/notes-hk/hk-build-ptr/page-hk-build-ptr.shtml

>>31000141
Devilish.

>>31000216
thank, man.

sooo... how shitty is it to drop mags without the paddle release? Is it kinda like dropping the mag on a 10/22 on the models that have the button instead of the paddle?

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I wonder if Tulammo's new bimetal is any better on the barrel now.


A good option could be using Berdan - primed surplus brass cartridges such as hirtenberger , the projectile would not be bimetal and i can't use the brass unless I spend all day drilling out primer pockets so i will just leave that shit on the ground.

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>>31000244
>Is it kinda like dropping the mag on a 10/22
I wouldn't know.
>on the models that have the button instead of the paddle?
It's not like an AR mag release because the G3 mags don't drop free; they have to be helped out. If you have a long index finger you can do it without shifting your grip, but since you have to grab the mag anyway it's best when you can use one hand to perform both actions. I keep meaning to send mine off to have a paddle installed but I forget about it or blow it off or spend the money on ammo instead.

BTW, all CETME/G3s actually have the button release; the paddle is just supplementary. It's a hold-over from the design of the prototype Mauser Gerat-06H. The direction it operated in was reversed, left-to-right. So, if you were right-handed like 90% of all people (and 100% of all Germans) you just hit the button with your left thumb as you grabbed the magazine with your left hand.

>>31000293
So what do you guys usually use in your PTRs? I am getting mine tomorrow and have no idea what to run through it for practice shooting.

As a tack on, what do you keep on hand for any potential real (defensive/hunting/whatever) shooting?

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>>31000313
>So what do you guys usually use in your PTRs?
Hirtenberger surplus and ZQI/MKE M80 ball. Sometimes Silver Bear.
>what do you keep on hand for any potential real (defensive/hunting/whatever) shooting?
120 rounds of 1980-dated Hirtenberger Patronen-58.

>>31000293
Tulammo sez:

"TulAmmo is converting from a Bimetal Jacketed projectile to a Zinc Coated projectile. Zinc coating is a chemical method of surface treatment (galvanizing) which gives the bullet jacket a more uniform and consistent protective layer than that of machine-stamped bimetal bullet jackets. Thanks to this, cartridges with zinc-coated bullets provide up to 10-15% better shooting accuracy than cartridges with bimetal bullets"

welp perhaps the new zinc coating might be a better lubricant for the barrel than the previous bimetal jacket . Zinc is added to performance oils to reduce wear on the internals of engines.

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>>30999976
>No, that's an older "F" model; no welded top rail (which is the "R" in "FR") or paddle magazine release. There's a clamp-on top rail in the picture, though.

ty. so this older F model I am looking at would accept an ejection port buffer without any problems because there is no welded rail to interfere?

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>>31000689
Correct. If there's no welded-on rail, you have no problem with that clip-on port buffer.

>>31000366
That's interesting. Will it be on all their ammo now, or just certain boxes, like with red army standard and elite.

Every one I have handled/shot jammed in the "almost battery" position. Weapon then refused to disassemble to clear problem.

I was going to buy one then shot a couple and then this happened...

>>31003692
Don't ride the charging handle forward.

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>>31002393
Are the polymer lowers generally ok, or is it preferred to get a steel lower?

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I found this thread regarding a bolt stuck 3/4 closed with case stuck inside, is this a common clearing procedure:

Hold the rifle in a vertical position with the muzzle facing skyward.

Hold the rifle approximately 20" over a firm surface.
The floor of the garage usually works well.

Extend the charging handle.

Place the "chopping" edge of your hand firmly on the charging handle.

With moderate force, slam the butt of the rifle on the firm surface.

You must also apply force on the charging handle as the butt strikes the firm surface.

If you are really worried about marring your buttstock, put several layers of duct tape on the buttplate before commencing this action.

If the spent case does not eject, repeat the process until the case is ejected or the rim is ripped off the case.

If you rip the rim off the case, report back here.

This maneuvre is know as the "WECSOG pogo," or just simply "the pogo."

>>30999916
New ti PTR's, where can i get one that is near identical to this. Don't really care about the case deflector.

I'm planning on getting a PTR like many others here.

Is getting one of the welded-rail PTRs a good idea, or is it better to get a classic and use an adapter? I myself prefer non-railed aesthetically but I also will probably end up using some kind of sight on it.

>>31004311
I've always known that as "mortaring" but ye that's not uncommon.

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Posting my designated gong waker-upper

>>31000141
brass rat faces when they see the brass makes it all worth it.

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>>31004277
They're fine. A proper 3-pin steel lower would be best, but ATF sucks. There's one good thing about the factory poly lowers compared to a clipped/converted surplus steel lower, and that is the tang of the poly lower completely surrounds the stock pin, which helps to hold the lower (and therefore the trigger pack) in the proper position. On a real G3, the front pin of the lower does this, but of course the semi-clones can't have that pin. This means that with a converted metal lower you're effectively just pinching it between the back of the magazine well and the pins in the stock to hold it in place.

>>31004338
>where can i get one that is near identical to this.
You want a PTR-91 GI Classic like this one from Atlantic Firearms:
https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ptr-gi-308-rifle-w-o-rail-detail.html?Itemid=0

That is the closest you can currently get to the G3A3A1 in that pic. Ironically they no longer make the GI with the polymer lower like in that pic, but you could buy a converted SEF poly lower from HK Parts or Robert RTG.

Buds Gun Shop has a picture of the older GI model with poly lower (like I have), but IDK if that's the rifle you would actually receive. If it is, it would not have the paddle magazine release installed, and you would have to have a gunsmith do that.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_878/products_id/719007847/PTR+91+GI+308WIN+18+GRN+STOCK+20RD

>>31005230
Does the paddle make that huge of a difference? From the other posts in this thread it seems like a huge deal, plus as a bit of a nerd, the button seems to be the authentic to the real G3 choice.

Thanks for the answer.

>>31004277
I have the HK navy polymer lower. Looks and feels so much better unless your left handed.

http://www.robertrtg.com/store/pc/HK91-93-94-SEMI-AUTO-CLIPPED-PINNED-BLACK-SEF-LOWER-WITH-SELECTOR-40p3590.htm

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>>31005307
The paddle is the most useful AND authentic to the real G3.

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>>30997877
I like slapping it.

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Sorry! I came as quickly as possible!
FR is the most practical model I think. My beloved A3R is just gorgeous, I think.

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>>31006457
how about wood? i'm looking at this one too. any negatives?

>>30997877
I bought my PTR91 about 10 years ago on impulse. (Thought process: "I'm single and have money, I should probably spend that money on cool things.")

I had to send it back to PTR to get the sight rings (don't know the actual term) aligned correctly. I can't remember the turn-around time, but it was very reasonable.

Since then, it is an absolutely fun rifle to shoot. It has a recoil that is extremely manageable; it doesn't feel like .308 out of other rifles I've shot. I get a gigantic perma-smile each time I shoot it.

Being an AR-fag, I can never remember proper field strip and re-assembly method, but the internet is my friend.

Just one guy's opinion.

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>>31006667
>any negatives?
Most fragile, maybe, but that's only compared to the polymer. How much, and does it come with all that stuff?

That one has the lighter-weight milspec G3 barrel profile, rather than the heavy bull barrel of the "F".

I'm getting one soon-ish. Anything special I should know about the GI Classic?

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>>31006667
Wood tends to heat up. I've seen stocks split right down the grain before. If you get wood (huh huh huh), you'll have to treat it right. It does get a A+ for aesthetics though.
Don't let me dissuade you in any way. You just asked for the cons.

>>31006667
HG is going to get hot. but it gets hot with the thin plastic HG too so whatever

I really want one

Too bad I live in NJ.

The only downside I've run into is weight, but that just means you get to spend more time in the gym. Cheap ass mags. I've heard it chews up brass so if you reload that might be an issue. I don't do maybe do some more reading on the matter. Otherwise so far so good goes bang and hits what you're pointing at

Has anyone put a wooden cetme forearm on a PTR? I don't want to spend $6,0000 just because the wooden forearms are scarce

>>31007268
PTR makes compliant models, they had one at Bobs little sport shop. Issue is that they ship with an nonmachined flash supp. that is welded on. So no muzzle brake for you.

>>31006916
good points. also i can't really rails on it i suppose if i want to put a different flavor of bipod on it than the stock $200 bipod.


ahhhh fuck me with a pancake there is a real rabbit hole with these guns, so many variables

i missed the end of the auction on the one i posted about early in the thread and coulda had it for 850 but the guy relisted now i have to wait.

but there seems to be a lot of them around. preferably i would like to buy one locally and not do shipping/ffl/etc.

>>31007446
Holy shit really? Fuck man, I could care less about no compensator if I can get one at all. Thanks anon!

>>31006910
Yeah get the FR

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>>31007448
When I refered to stocks splitting, it was under a unique amount of stress that they don't normally face. I was merely stating that it is possible; highly rare though.
Pick a flavor that fits you and have fun!