Best AK?

>>30987659
A few years ago I would have said an Arsenal. However over the past year or so I have ordered 7 for customers of mine (own a small gun store) and 6 of the 7 had canted sights. they were all VERY slight, but its still a 900 rifle. I got a SLR104UR when they were released and its in great shape, no cants or anything. Arsenal's milled line still seems to be doing fine, ive only had one of them in the past year but it was in good shape

>>30987659
Definitely Definitive Arms. Good luck finding one though.

>>30987695
That's a shame, I was sure they were top dog. How about DDI or IO?

>>30987712
Run from IO

Don't by anything from them. Even avoid their imports if you have a choice.

>>30987712
Couldent tell you, I am an autist and I do not buy any AK with an american made barrel. A friend of mind has a DDI and the riveting job is shit.

>>30987659
IO, it's kinda a crapshoot if you get a good one or not, but it's just like any other demonic deal. Will it fail after 1,666 or 666,666,666,666?

>>30987731
This.
http://www.akoperatorsunionlocal4774.com/2016/08/akou-response-io-letter-unfair-5k-rds-test/

>>30987763
bait

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>>30987731
What's wrong with IO?

Forgive my ignorance

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>>30987695
>canted sights
There isn't a pressed barrel AK manufactured outside of custom shops (and even still) that doesn't have sights that are canted to some degree.
Some are worse than others, but that's the reality of a pressed barrel.

>>30987790
My wasr's sights weren't canted

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>>30987801
They are.
Break out the level if you need to prove it, but they are.

>>30987785
Unsafe to fire after about 1000 rounds. Cheaped out in the areas you can not under any circumstances cheap out.

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>>30987781
>he doesn't regularly make satanic deals
If you read the fine print you're good with the problem of unexpected consequences. They also don't care about credit score so most loans are easy.

>>30987785
They are probably the worst manufacturer of AKs. They rifles are of such poor quality many of them require a rubber buffer on the recoil spring to function. Even then, the steel on the bolt and front trunion are so soft they will deform and ruin the rifle. Part of the reason is that the front trunion is cast. They also use the barrel as a bucking bar.

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>>30987790
>AKs are superior to ARs

Yeah ok.

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>>30987790
I agree a SLIGHT (as in I dont notice it the second I look throught he sights) is no problem, but cants like the pic you posted are unacceptable. I have an old AIMS rifle and the cant on it is so bad I couldent get the sights on paper so I had to beat the pins out, hammer the sight to closer to straight, and redrill the holes to repin the sight.

>pic is the AIMS

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>>30987837
Worse than Century????

>>30987881
Century Imports (basically WASR only at this point) are pretty good. Century produced stuff is garbage.

>>30987881
Yes. Worse than Century. Even then, don't buy junk AKs, Century included. Save up and buy something nice that will work good.

>>30987852
I wanna fuck that thing. What is it?

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>>30987904
What about the Century AK63D? I have one and it's alright with man.

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>>30987904
Like???

Answer the OP please

>>30987962
Some Century products are okay. But why take the chance? Saving up a little more could get an Arsenal or a little more past that a Defninitive Arms. If your Century works good then keep it, there is no problem.

>>30987977
DDI, Arsenal (watch for canted sights), Definitive Arms, Krebs, Rifle Dynamics (although they are very expensive).

>>30987731
"I swear guys lemons from 2012 are totally comparable to their modern guns"

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>>30988026
>modern gun spectacularly fails a test
>It's just 2012 lemons
Hello, how do you IO guys deal with your ass getting jealous of that much shit coming out of your mouths?

I'm looking to get potentially one before the election but I'm not sure if I should or if I should just buy more .223 for my ar instead.

There's a lgs near me that builds custom aks but I have no idea of the pricing on them, and I just want a basic one with wood furniture and a chromed barrel. I bought some of those Croatian steel 30rd mags that have popped up in a few places online but don't even have any 7.62x39 to put in them.

Also, should I be looking at getting one of those yugo SKSs from classic firearms? I get the feeling they're one of those guns that will only get more and more expensive over time, like nuggets.

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>>30987984
Yeah. It depends mainly on the user. One would definitely prefer a fine quality AK. After having owned a WASR and AK63D and used Arsenals Arsenals IMO are OK at best. If you want a $1000 rifle get a Colt. You won't be disappointed.

>>30987659
>I want the most reliable and well made AK on the market.
Rifle Dynamics/Krebs.
Enjoy your $2k AK and 6mos. wait.

>Best AK for the money?
Poorfags are going to whine that an AK isn't worth more than whatever cheap amount that poorfag can afford, probably ~$600 and that their poorfag AK does just fine on their bi-monthly range trip to mag dump a couple hundred rounds of golden tiger.
Richfags are going to tell you something like "Buy once, cry once" and say Arsenal.

I'd suggest Arsenal. Of all the currently available AKs in the price range they are the most mechanically/internally sound, especially the SLR series (or SGL if you feel like tracking one of them down) which is the most important factor. On the downside their finish is poor (not really worse than any other factory AK, just the same cheap spray finish), the U.S. 922r furniture is junky (primarily the fixed plastic stock), and the Arsenal 2-stage trigger is garbage (the most legitimate complaint, I have no idea why they haven't scrapped this PoS years ago and just included a passable factory single stage, seriously it's insane how much this trigger sucks).

All the other options have their own shortcomings too, but internally the Arsenal is the most sound and its problems are the most easily addressed in my opinion.

>2016
>buying rifle designed in 1947

>>30988137
>2016
>buying gun designed in 1911

>>30988001

>DDI is garbage

>bubba krebs doesnt manufacture firearms

>rifle dynamics overpriced and owned by POS, with documents cases of shit quality

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>>30988145
The Colts sure are great aren't they? Any real American should obtain one and feel the history on your hands.

Build your own

If it's shit, you have no one to blame but yourself

>>30988127
What is it about AKs that makes them so liable to shitty defects, even among the more well-regarded producers? Especially when they're being assembled in the U.S. I can buy any number of cheap ARs that will have adequete manufacturing quality and reliability and not have anywhere near the number of issues cheap AKs, and even more moderately priced ones like Arsenals have.

Considering it's one of the easiest to produce weapons in the world, by design, why do so many companies fuck up in so many ways when producing it?

>>30988219
>Especially when they're being assembled in the U.S.

Doesn't mean anything.

>>30988219
I don't care for the safety scratch at all.

>>30988219
because assembly requires specialized tools and knowledge
americans are building for profit and wont shell out millions to do things properly

>>30988091
-t. cartoon poster

>>30988179
building an AK is way harder than building an AR
i doubt anon has the tools to do it

>>30988281


>PanzerJäger

Can I have your autograph

>>30987659
Saiga or vepr. Everything else is taking a chance and hoping for the best, including arsenal since the paint melts off and the handguards melt also.

>>30988264
>assembly requires specialized tools and knowledge

Compared to what? Every gun requires some specialized tools and knowledge to assemble, but that doesn't mean that every gun manufacturer puts canted sights on their guns or fucks up in other obvious ways.
And why would it take millions of dollars just to assemble a weapon? I can understand if they were actually producing them from the ground up, but there's no way just piecing together an AK from pre-existing parts into something that's not shit is that expensive.

Have I just been spoiled by building 2 nearly flawless ARs and thinking every gun should be that easy to build?

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>>30988281

>>30988358
>Have I just been spoiled by building 2 nearly flawless ARs and thinking every gun should be that easy to build?
yes

>>30988219
For stamped guns, it's a receiver and parts made in one factory on specific/unique tooling at that factory. That makes the gun specific/unique to that factory.
Try and produce it somewhere else on different tooling and it's going to have variations in dimensions and tolerances because it's made on different tooling.
The design may tolerate this to an extent, but it's only exaggerated when you have people trying to cobble together parts from different factories/countries on top of unique/home grown replacement parts.
Same problem the roller lock H&K guns have and why they can be so hit and miss.

Machined parts/guns like ARs don't have this problem of manufacturing so it's easier to build parts to a standard and have them all match much easier.

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Does Izhmash make the best AKs?

I don't hear much about them here.

>>30988406
>literally what is Arsenal's SGL line

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>>30988026
>>30988281

rob ski's was made in may of this year.

>>30988406
I would say they make the best production AK. Of course I am just speculating here because we haven't been able to get true Izzy AKs in the U.S. since 1968. Up until recently parts kits or sporter Saigas were imported and built/converted. Those days too are gone though becuase our Dicksucker in Chief used executive action to ban KC imports. Thanks Obama.

ITT:

Arsenal shills try to justify spending 1300 dollars on an AKM

WASR shills try to project that OTHER guns are lemons and certainly not theirs

PAP shills mindlessly posting after being knocked retarded from constant cheek slap from their ugly gun

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>>30988406
>Arsenal will never start selling SGLs again
At least I got my SGL21 for $700. Wish I had of bought the folder for another $150 and not been a cheap ass though...

Anybody know if the Hungarian amd 63/65 on classic firearms are any good?

>>30987659
Saiga. End of discussion.

>>30988339
There's always that one Vepr fag..
No matter what.

>>30988383
>bullet button
Opinion discarded

>>30988514
Don't talk to me or my OPAP ever again.

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>>30987659

If you can't find an Arsenal SGL then look at a new DDI.

Some waffenwerks AK74s were good as well.

>>30988514

who even are you

and why haven't you left yet

>>30988635
Seconded

It's hard to say, Arsenal used to be the top of the line, but they've been having some weird problems lately like varnish boiling off the barrels and gas blocks.
But hell, I have a Century Arms M70ABM underfolder and it works great.
It's heavy as fuck because it's got the over built milled receiver for grenade launching, but I shoot bi-metal steel cased russian ammo through it until it smokes and the only problem I ever ran into was the cleaning rod rattling itself loose.

>>30987659
Arsenal SLR
Maybe DDI or Palmetto

>>30988091

Is that Asriel?

>>30988514

Arsenals are ak103's.

>>30988383

>Fake mag

>bullet button

WEW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT9BfLVbnI8&spfreload=10

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My arsenal is significantly better than my wasr in every way.

>>30987852
what game?

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>>30988806
I have an M70ABM also. I love the girl to death. Had it for 8 months now, some where close to 1500 rounds more or less. You'll get use to the weight after awhile, I'm by no means strong and I think she's rather comfy.

Only two hiccups so far. First one I blame on Eugene Stoner's ghost, claimed AKs never jammed to someone I was shooting with and it double feeded immediately after. Second one really boggles my friends and me. It stove piped an unfired cartridge. BANG BANG BANG *click*. See bullet poking out of side.

Good gun for the money imo. Could spend a little more for a legit AB2 if that's what you want.

Pic related. Not my best pic of her, best one is over size limit for mobile.

>>30989176
>rotate 90°
>can't post best pic of raifu

I hate using my phone on this site

>>30988514
Fuck dude, you've set yet another bar of how much of an unbelievable fag tripfags can be.
Every day I think I've met the most annoying one, but they keep coming...

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I personally like my Interarms rifle, but they're not particularly well known. They deserve more attention.

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>>30989176
>No 'nade spigot
>No 'nades
>Tapco mag
Just roughing you up anon.

What kind of night sights does yours have?

The fastest/easiest way to get a "4chan size" pic from your mobile is to attach it as a pic in a text, and instead of sending it, just "View" it then save to phone.
>If that makes sense.

>>30987695
I think you'd be hard pressed to find sights on any AK that aren't slightly canted. And even if they are canted just a little bit, it does not matter -- it will not effect the windage of your sights in such a way that can't be adjusted with a sight adjustment tool.

AKs just weren't made to be so precise, and unless the cant is extreme that it's so visibly detectable, then it's not a problem.

I would really bitch more about Arsenal's poor finish on their last batch of rifles (with serial numbers starting with XM55). The back right side of my receiver on my SLR-107 has finish that has flaked off. Arsenal will apparently refinish guns that have this issue, so I might send it back to them.

Still, though, I'm happy with my Arsenal and I'd recommend them. Just stay away from the X55 serial numbered models and you'll be fine.

>>30987659

Best overall would easily be a properly converted Saiga or Vepr, definitive arms or something like that? Following that would be an Arsenal but try to check it before you buy it as Arsenal has been having some QC issues lately. Namely canted sights.

Best for the money would be a new (2015 or later) WASR-10.

Middle ground would be a DDI but again, be sure to check it first like the Arsenal.

Kit built firearms from a parts kit (like the DDI and Definitive Arms) are only as good as the people building them.

>>30989322
>with serial numbers starting with XM55)


this is disproven because 104's are had the issue as well.

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>>30989294
True brother I have yet to get my nade launching supplies. Hardly ever use those tapco mags anymore, they worked great but that black steel is much more sexy. At I'll got the flip up night sights but they're pretty much useless. Front sight is completely faded, but the rear still has some paint on it. If I shine a light on them and sit in a pitch black room there's the faintest little glow. Keep telling myself to get some tritium paint but keep putting it off.

Appreciate you trying to help but I guess I'm to dumb, just decided to scale it down. Y'all might not think the pic is that great but it's my favorite

>>30989294
Speaking of mags do you have any Yugoslavian ones? I keep meaning to get some for that bolt hold-open goodness

>>30989456

>BHO a advantage

WEW.

>>30989478
The M70 series is the only AK variant to my knowledge that has BHO, I just want the mags cause its a neat little feature that I can't access now. Just giggle and show off factor really

Besides isn't it an advantage?
>Know when you're dry
>barely touch charging handle to reload, especially useful for tacticool left hand reach-under charge

>>30989418
>tritium paint
kek.
I think you mean glow in the dark paint, as tritium is a gas.
>The Yugo's originally used radium paint but it's illegal and extremely harmful because of it's 1200 year half life

You might look into United Nuclear's Europium paint if you want some of the longest glowing GITD paint out there.

>>30989456
Yes, I have several.
If you do decide you want some, go with surplus and avoid the Croatian mags often being passed off as "New Yugo BHO" mags.
They are more often than not out of spec and the steel is inferior to surplus.

Whats the general opinion on those yugo zastava NPAP rifles by CAI?

>>30987659
Finn AKs are universally regarded as the best mass produced AKs money can buy. You'd pay a lot for one though

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>>30987820
muh autism

>>30989552
>Tritium paint

Well aware of it being H3 but thats what a lot of people who sell non radioactive glow paint label it as, despite it having nothing to do with tritium. So I've just come to call it that too. I was surely annoyed when I learned the half life of radium and saw the condition of my night sights. Suppose maybe the parts they used were covered in cosmoline and the guy scrubbed a bit too hard?

>croatian mags

Yeah that's what I've been hearing from a lot of folks

>>30989533
You know that's not how the BHO mags work, right?
It's just the follower that stops the bolt from closing.
>The Yugo M64 had a true LRBHO, but they are kit builds only and rather hard to come by.

>>30989657
>Suppose maybe the parts they used were covered in cosmoline and the guy scrubbed a bit too hard?

They were likely completely scrubbed of any radium paint long ago, and repainted with regular GITD paint.
Radium is a controlled substance (NRC) and not importable.
It definitely gives off enough to ping radioactivity detectors and wouldn't have made it into the country.

>>30989533

>Besides knowing your dry

You wont process this during the heat of a engagement

>Barely touch the charging handle to reload

1.remove mag (more difficult with your bolt and spring pushing on the back of the mag)

2.carrier and bolt slam closed.

3.have to charge rifle again anyway.
BHO is 100% useless.

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>>30989769
Well obviously the follower stops the bolt but if it doesn't have the catch that M70s have its gonna slam close the second the mag comes out

>>30989817
>Is this bait?
There is no "catch" on any M70, is what I'm telling you.
The hammer is the only thing holding your bolt open there.

>>30989844
>hammer

Are you sure? Friend's Russian doesn't do it, Chinese one I handled doesn't do it. I'm cool with being wrong, not claiming to be a master of arms.

I've seen it with another m70. Guess it was a fluke then. Oh well at least I know now.

>>30987659
Trick question; that AK doesn't exist.

Don't buy an AK right now.

>>30988264
And a bunch of poor Slavs in Eastern Europe being paid diddly can somehow produce something better

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>>30989876
Yeah, I'm sure.
Unfortunately it's only because of the geometry of the G2 hammer.
After a while, once it's worn down from shooting or you re-profile it, it'll stop getting hung up.
>Both my OPAP and AB2 did it.
Even with the AKT in my OPAP, when I first put it in, it was getting hung up like that.

>Here's the actual M70A (AKA the Yugo M64) BHO mech.
And here's some reading material on it as well

http://www.theakforum.net/forums/30-yugoslavian/184066-everything-you-ever-wanted-know-about-yugo-m64-m70a-bolt-hold-open-feature.html

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>>30988264
>assembly of aks require specialized tools and knowledge

>>30988657
Vepr is a great option, but I'd say saiga is better. So I'm not a vepr fag.

You know what the definitive answer to these threads would be when saigas weren't banned? The answer was saiga, always saiga. If your ass was lazy you could get a wasr but knowing that it was a far second best. Veprs were only for richfags because they cost $600... Those were the days. Well saigas are still damn good and cheaper than veprs and arsenals, so that's still the answer.

>>30990010
Ah, so a collection of illusions led to delusions. Such is life. Quid tam crudelis Domini

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>>30990061
Pretty much.
>C'est la vie

I've been a Yugo guy for some time, and the complexities that they implemented are far and varied.
Very neat variant though.
Glad you seem to be enjoying yours, and trying to learn more.

Stop into /akg/ and post, we're always happy to have more AKs.

>>30990022
>Drumpf

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>>30987659
Not a "real" AK but if you want the best and don't mind kosher

>>30988103
I fucking hate colt.

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>>30987659
Dumping my qtpi WASR, this is its current config.

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>>30991183
I'm at a little over 1k rounds and haven't had a malfunction with WPA or Tula.
If you're getting into AKs, just accept that steel is all you're gonna find because the cheapest brass you'll find is ~$.50 and maybe a bit cheaper with corrosive Yugo stuff.

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>>30991195
D O N G
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>>30987820
You do know that every single ak on the market right now will have a cant right? Lol fuck, AKOU got a canted front trunnion on his arsenal lol.

Even century will fix that problem if you ask them to.

>>30988001
Copper custom?
Any ak that MAC recommends?

>>30988840
is this bait?

>>30988863
What's with the link?

>>30989922
poor slavs inherited the tooling from the ussr
once the proper tools are there its trivial to crank em out

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What is you opinion on S.D.M. AKs ?

There is a lot of AK from this company. I can buy a new S.D.M. AK-47 for 590 CHF (605 $).

Does it worth it? Are these AKs reliable?

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>>30991520
There also this version for 620.-

>>30991525
Looks like shit desu.

>>30989231
Its because when they post, they want people to recognize and remember them for their sage advise and knowlegde. Too bad such huge egos forget that posting stupid shit will also follow you around.

>>30991553
>Looks like shit desu.
I don't care how it looks.

Has anybody here some experience with these AKs? I don't expect to have a GOD-TIER rifle. Just a reliable one has first AK for someone that hasn't a lot of money. Plus there's not a lot of choice of AKs in Switzerland.

So does it worth it?

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>>30989176
ARfag here... Desperately trying to find a decent AK to get into.. but I'm always hearing horrible things about the less expensive brands of AK. Should I just slum it and get a 600-800 AK? This is purely to live out my moonman fantasies in the mirror.

>>30991686
Well if you just wanna play in the mirror why not get a shitty 400 IO? I took a chance buying a century and I've been very pleased with what I got. From the anon I talked to in this thread to other people online, it seems the M70abm is one the things that century didn't go full retard on.

I wish I could tell you "you get what you pay for" but with all the QC issues going on, seems like if you want an AK you gotta take a chance

>>30991788
yeah.. I agree what some other anon said. AR's seem to be a dime a dozen and always competing with each other for quality. The way people talk about AK's makes it seem like you're either a SPETZNAZ operator, or your weapon is going to explode in your hands.

>>30988264
Fucking bullshit. Having built both an AR and AK, I'm certain that the same dumb niggers in Africa who shoot both are more than capable of assembling both without "muh special knowledge".

>>30991798
Like some of the other folks have said, Saiga is one of the best ways to go. Seen a few unconverted Saigas these past few months that were running in the 400 to 600 range. Of course with the political climate I'm sure thats changed by now

>>30987712
Dear God, NEVER IO inc. go to YouTube and find AK Operator Union channel. They test an Io Inc ak. It was unsafe to shoot at only 1700 rounds due to structural failure.

>>30987659
IF you can find/afford one, get a definitive arms rifle dynamics or Krebs custom. Your looking at $1000-$2500 but you'll get a very good quality ak.

>>30987984
>>30988001
These anons get it.

>>30988092
Buy one for variety if nothing else.

>>30987659
If you're wanting THE most reliable and well made AK on the market, you're not going to be getting the best for your money. Diminishing returns and shit. You can have one or the other, not both.

>>30991195
Why does everyone hate steel? Is it because you can't reload it?

>>30991615
If it's not a well known company, you might have to take a leap of faith and buy one blind. Google what to look for when buying an AK so you know what is good and what could be problematic.

Can't believe no one has said WASR yet. It's a WASR.

>>30992375
That and, for a fairly decent reason. Lucky gunner did a test against steel vs brass, and steel wore the barrels down a lot faster and wasn't as accurate.
Also, the test was done with AR-15s so we still don't know if it's the case with the ak platform, being chrome lined 99% of the time and all.

>>30987659
Go with IO. They're great.

>>30992375

From what I've experienced, steel ammo overall is just dirtier. I have no problem cleaning my rifle out after a day at the range but goddamn, some of the steel ammo on the market is nasty. Good thing it's cheap though.

>>30993568

>IO Tech

No, dude, don't do that to him. Every IO owner I've ever met has cursed themselves for not saving their money for a Century Arms or Arsenal rifle instead. IOs are infamously faulty and will lead to more frustration than anything.

>>30993568
Where do retards like you come from?

>>30990022
I mean, the common idiot who thinks an AK assembles like an AR probably doesnt own even simple milling tools, welding tools, or have the knowlege to use either in a way that results in a functional AK

I convert Saigas and Vepr's and they work wonderful! I also just purchased an AMD65 with FEG reciver.....other than changing out the mag latch due to wobble and that it looks like an abomination....it is a wonderful option if you have a low budget!

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All the local shops in my area are small and have Jack shit in inventory. I have to order anything I want so no chance of handling it. I was seriously thinking about ordering an Arsenal slr104 from AIM today or tomorrow before I read this thread. I don't expect perfection from an ak but the qc issues you guys are talking about have me second guessing.

Worth taking the risk on one sight unseen from AIM?

>>30992889
I read the Lucky Gunner test, but I thought it was the bi metal jacketed round, the actual projectile, that wore down the barrel. Has there been any extensive testing with the new nitride barrels companies are making? Over heard that they last longer than chrome, but I haven't had any luck finding data on it. Also heard nitride is similar or the same to what Glock use, and i know that they stand up to punishment pretty well. I'll admit that I'm really up right with my guns.
>>30993581
Yet there true, very dirty, but I clean my guns right when I get done shooting as well so not too big of a downer.

>>30987984
Because SLR 107s are no longer imported and definitive arms is never in stock

>>30994088
Yeah, I know it was the projectile, but like every steel cased round the jacket is always bimetal copper-steel.
I guess it would make sense as it's so the case doesn't chew into the bullet.
And it also seems that steel coated rounds wouldn't be an issue in chrome lined barrels because of chrome being harder than steel.

>>30994171
>>30994088
The bi metal bullet uses steel that is roughly as hard as gilding metal. It is not the cause of wear and this has been tested extensivley by the Swiss, Russian, and American militry when they all adopted bimetal bullets.
Cheap hot burning powder leads to high rates of flame erosion. This is the same cheap powder used in the bulk of steel case surplus.

>>30994398
Makes sense I guess.

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Can anyone tell me about the Zastava M92s? I heard they don't need to have any American parts because it's a pistol, so Century hasn't fucked them up, which sounds nice. But are they tough and dependable or should I look elsewhere if reliability and durability are my main concerns? It just seems like $500 is too good to be true. For that price, it can't be sorta neat and also not a piece of shit, right?

>>30994718
Without a stamp and stock not very practical or fun imo
> with stock they make awesome sbrs

>>30995457
That's kind of what I figured. I didn't want to go to the trouble if it was a shit AK, though.

Who has better customer service AIM or kvar?

DDI for around 700$
Definitive Arms for 1100$
Krebs or rifle dynamics for 2000$+

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>>30995753
It's a decent AK, and you can add a brace. While not as practical as a stock, the 3rd point of contact does help. And if you're shooting on private land, who's going to rat you out to ATF?

>>30995787
I've never bought from kvar, but AIM has god tier customer service. Of course though, a lot of people shit on them nowadays becuase of the FFL/DL breech. Still, when I had issues with my order of PU nuggets, they went so far as to contact Vic Thomas, one of the guys who inspects nuggets for import and export. Eventually I got it fixed with the info I got from Vic Thomas.

>>30995839
>DDI
>700
Maybe for their pistols, their rifles have gone up in price a bit, they are around 800-900 now.

>>30994398
Shit this has be worried even more about shooting tula and WPA, what brand should I shoot that's affordable? I've heard Ras ammo is decent but then again they are around .40-50 cents a round and fucking $1 for their brass

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>>30996218
Buy a case of M67 and clean your rifle if your worried about wear

>>30996033
Sexy cherry red wood furniture friendo.

>>30996732
Not guy you replied to, but also cisterns about wear. Where can you get cases of ammo anymore? The usual sites I browse are always sold out of good yugo surp and never seem to restock it.

>>30996860
Concerned*

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>>30994058
Bought my SLR 107FR from them. It came in perfect except a *slight* cant on the front sight. the rest of the rifle is spot on (rivets, trunion, gas block, etc.). I'm happy I ponied up for the Arsenal honestly.

>>30996860
These guys are local for me but they do ship
http://www.unammo.com

>>30997299
I clean my rifle but I'm always too paranoid about missing something when cleaning a rifle after shooting corrosive shit.
Pls help a tistic boy like myself ;-;

>>30997265
The cheapest shit always gets hit first by panic buyers so it's not even like they're relatively that expensive anymore. I keep seeing wasrs and unconverted saigas for 600+.

>>30997599
Lel, WASRs have been 600+ for like two years anon, only 10/63s were ever around 550

>>30997299
Thanks for ammo link

>>30994058

wait till Atlantic gets more 104s in stock. 5.45 rifles are still getting imported in good numbers. no sense paying more without the assurance to go with it.

>>30988527
i just picked mine up today, will probably make a range report tomorrow but at first glance its in great condition, brand new, rifling is good, sights are straight, and wood furniture is very nice looking. i got the underfolding 63d

>>30991520
I am not an ISIS member so I wouldn't know about buying guns in Europe.

>>30994718
Very nice trigger on mine. Well put together.

>>30999474
What assurance do they offer?

Their return policy states
>New firearms are covered by the manufacturers warranty and should be returned directly to the manufacturer for repair.
So if there is a qc problem with the rifle you receive you've still got to deal with arsenal themselves right?