AK or AR

use whatever you find more comfortable to shoot. Both are great rifles. Both will get the job done. The AR will typically be cheaper for now due to the current market. I bought an AK74 recently and couldn't be happier.

>>30986012
Literally the only reason to use an AK in this day and age is if you're operating inna3rdworld and are surrounded by plentiful supplies of AK ammo, replacement parts, support equipment, etc.

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having fired both, I prefer the AK.
It just feels more... solid, more robust. And with its long track record, it clearly is exactly that too.

>>30986033
I wanted it to be more of a poll desu. I personally use H&K but I shot both AR-15 and AK-74. I personally prefer AK over the AR

>>30986049
If you are talking about AK-47 sure. But why not use the never variants?

>>30986012
Both.

>>30986089
Because the newer versions are just AKMs with railz and a SCHV cartridge. The only reason Russia and the handful of other countries that use modernized AKs do so is because they've been using AKs for decades and it's good enough that there's no reason to buy a bunch of C8s and retrain all their dudes to use a compeletly different gun. Anyone who doesn't have tens of thousands of training hours invested in AK shooting is better off with an AR, due to the AR's superior weight, accuracy, ergonomics, modularity, etc.

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>>30986192
ARs might've been improved during the years, but they're still over complicated for what they achieve. The 5.56 is still around only because of peer pressure from USA. Similarly, Americans have not bothered to replace their 60 years old weapon platform and the anemic .223 ammo, all because they got so much of it lying around, and because they've spread it everywhere they've gone to.

A modern AK chambered in 5.56, with STANAG magwell, does literally everything an AR does, all while being easier to handle and more resistant to elements and abuse.

>>30986192
Yes. Also a good DI ar15 is, contrary to what some believe, extremely reliable. You can go thousands of rounds without cleaning them as long as you give them some grease every once in a while. The ar15 is superior in almost every way.

>>30986326
>You can go thousands of rounds without cleaning them as long as you give them some grease every once in a while
and you can go tens of thousands of rounds with an all-dry AK, and it's almost recommended to do so.

>>30986300
The ar15 is extremely simple and is in no way complicated. Also, 5.56 is not anemic. An xm193 is putting out about 1200 ft/lbs of energy from the muzzle, and causes some very nasty wounds. If you want fragmentation at long ranges, mk 262. Even the Russians switched to a SCHV years ago, and the 5.45 puts out even less muzzle energy than the 5.56. The ak74 is a good rifle but doesn't have many advantages over an ar15.

>>30986353
No, it's not recommended. Get a tub of HP grease for $6 and it will last you a lifetime. The AK does have the advantage of longevity but overall doesn't have very many advantages over the ar15. I don't have an AK yet but I will get one simply because both rifles have pros/cons and are both great rifles.

>>30986326
Take in account the AK system guns that are chambered in 5.56 NATO rounds. There is a lot of these that are still being developed to be better in the aspects you mentioned, than any currently widely used AR gun. They don't struggle as much as old AKs did and are as ergonomical (if not better) than AR system based guns.

>>30986422
I can somewhat agree with that. I like both rifles and will get an ak in the future. Only problem with AKs chambered in 5.45 and 5.56 is that good mags are expensive. Bakelites and Circle 10s are the best and are usually around $35-$45.

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>>30986457
STANAG conversions and rifles with such magwells already built-in at the factory do exist.

>>30986476
Definitive arms has one. They make very good AKs.

>>30986300
>5.56
>Anemic
No. I do, however, agree that the 5.56 was pushed by the US retardation and failure to recognize intermediate cartridges. Rather, they ignored the 6.5-7mm platform which is considered a superior caliber for intermediate cartridges.

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>>30986476
>STANAG conversions

>>30986536
>implying AR-15 would've been better

>>30986580
>implying it wouldn't've

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>>30986590
>implying it would've

>>30986012
Shot my first AK this weekend.
The AR is an obvious choice.
It's far more refined.
Can actually hit targets

That AK missed 90% of the time while smacking my cheek every shot.

It does feel more solid than an AR,

>>30986943
>That AK missed 90% of the time while smacking my cheek every shot.

That's because you are a faggot.

>>30986956
I thought i was being a fag, but my cousins and father had the same issue.
Every horse apple we shot at eluded the Ak.

The straight pull Steyr was the most accurate, 100% hit
$3 a shot though

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>>30986943
>Can actually hit targets
>That AK missed 90% of the time while smacking my cheek every shot.
being a little bitch and trolling should be banned

>>30986982
Not bait, I'm not sure if that was an AK issue or just that model.
The flash hider was on correctly, that was my first check.

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>>30987031
sounds more like a mix of many things:

-using the gun for the first time gun
-...that's not zeroed for you.
-no idea about your ammo type.
-unless you were standing a couple yards. away, those targets were obviously too small for the task.
-your pose and grip were clearly fucked up, if it kept hitting your face.

There's plenty of proof online that a 7.62 AK can hit a man-sized target with irons alone past 300 yards.

>>30987084
>-using the gun for the first time gun
yup, I should go to bed.
hope ya get the point though.

>>30987084
I was like 15yrds away in a Forrest.
Ammo was cheap ass Steel case

We even had a shot hit a tree 5ft above the targets.
It was probably a cheap AK, but arnt all AKs cheap?

>>30986012
I have both. I personally prefer the AK I have over the AR because I have it more how I like as where the AR is a retro build. If I had a more modern AR the answer may be different. If galil counts I'll put that at #1

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>>30987143
>but arnt all AKs cheap?
That's the same as asking "don't all ARs cost 3000 bucks?"

This babe here will cost you 2500€ for the rifle and one mag alone, and will out-perform any mass produced AK rifle out there.

>We even had a shot hit a tree 5ft above the targets.
ever considered, you know, adjusting the sights??

Also, there's huge differences in ammos. I had my Vepr's zeroed to 100m with 8 gram .308, and could easily shoot down beer cans with it. Then I bought pack of 9,3 gram ammo, and I couldn't even see where the shots went anymore.

>>30987143
>It was probably a cheap AK, but arnt all AKs cheap?
Not anymore, the good accurate ones will cost almost as much as a pimped out accurized AR-15.

>>30987336
>the good accurate ones will cost almost as much as a pimped out accurized AR-15, despite having a finish that will bubble and flake off after the first mag or so worth of ammo

>>30986192
>5.56
>Superior
kek

>>30986943
you know you actually have to use sights anon

>>30987462
Compared to a 7.62x39 it is, as long as it is shot out of a non-SBR. The 5.56 is lighter, has a flatter non-rainbow trajectory, and has less recoil. It also has plenty of muzzle energy, enough to kill humans efficiently.

>>30986943

Sounds like you were using an Npap and it wasn't zeroed correctly.

Most AK sights are zeroed for a hold under at 50-100 yards.

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>>30986012

Galil

>>30986012

Since I am a foreveralone with no friends or GF, AR. I've put more time on it than the AK, I have more ammo on hand, and I have more mags and gear for it.

If I one day get friends who have AKs instead of ARs? I'll pop the AK out of the safe and bolt the dot to an ultimak.

Being able to get a spare mag from a buddy >>>>>>> being the special snowflake

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>>30986012
I live in the US so of course an AR. Parts commonality, reliability, ammunition availability, and massive aftermarket are just a couple reasons why. I suppose it would be a different story if I lived in Eastern Europe or something but the AR is truly the superior decision for the USA.

>>30988288
>>30987513
We tied to adjust the sights bit it still shot super high

The AR was using cheap steel case and it was very accurate.
Also, that AR was brand new with less than 100rds through it.
We sighted it in ourselves.

That AK was just garbage to shoot

>>30986012
I prefer my AR Over the Aks I've fired. It's free floated and has a really nice trigger in it. Aks are nice, don't get me wrong. I'm just not a fan of the idea of shitty QC like canted sights or cast parts. With ARs you get an autistic amount of options that AKs don't have. It's also easier to service than an AK.

I do like 7.62x39, cheaper than 5.56 - I just prefer to shoot it out of my sks.

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AKs are more fun

Love both but I just have more fun shooting my AK for some reason. Cheaper ammo is also a plus.

>>30986012

For large volume of fire with people shooting back, an AK74 with one of the zenith brakes that takes away all recoil

Carrying long distances, shooting for accuracy, and shooting with IR Laser/ Thermal or NV Clip ons, would pick an AR

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>hurr durr, 5.56>7.62
>gud luck finding dem imported commie bullets for that commie gun, hurr, freedum

If you don't have an ak in 5.56 in Freedomville you're fucking doing it wrong.

>>30986943

"Smacking my cheek"

Face is supposed to be mashed towards the back of the receiver

With a red dot an AK should shoot 2-4 MOA. Hitting small targets like animals up close you have to aim high to compensate for the height above bore.

>>30986012
They're both capable rifle families that have no significant advantage over the other.
It's practically asking which flavor of ice cream for what situation.

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>>30986943
>while smacking my cheek every shot

>>30989592
>good luck finding dem imported mags for that politically-confused gun, hurr, freedum
"Just install a magwell that lets it use STANAGs."
>hurr if you wanted a 16" 5.56 that takes dem dere STANAGs, why didn't you just get an AR
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