PLAN SAG vs USN CVBG

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>>30984469
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>>30984480
The initial situation: Both adversaries are facing each other off at considerable distance.

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>>30984493
Due to the large distance of 414 nautical miles, the only suitable strike loadout of the Super Hornets are 2x Harpoons and three droptanks.

>>30984488
This scenario takes that in mind: low flying Harpoons indead of high flying SLAMERs, as well as HARMs usage.

The database has been updated in the meantime.

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>>30984511
Here, we see the loadout of the SHs.

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>>30984522
The overview of the PLAN SAG: 56 HQ-9B for every 052D Destroyer, and 32 HQ-16A for every 054A Frigate

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>>30984536
The Super Hornets are all taking off in one group, so that their Harpoons can be launched at the same time, giving the chinks much difficulty to take out ninety eight of them at once.

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>>30984544
SImiliar with the Grolwers, who all will take off at the same time, as an escort package.
They will partake the strike with their super fast HARMs.

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>>30984560
So, after some minutes of form-up, the SHs and Growlers are on their way to attack the PLAN Surface Action Group.

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>>30984572
The entire strike package is on their way, the Growlers, equipped with some AIM-120Ds take out the PLAN early warning pickets that are aleady rendered useless due to intense jamming.

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>>30984584
From the Chinese side; the early warning helicopters (Ka-31s) are being taken out and the incoming strike package indeed is masked by strong jamming. No ability to engage them at this state, for their radar returns are vey inaccurate.

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>>30984603
Now, the low flying Harpoons are launched against the Chinese surface group. Chinese radars, naturally, didnt detect them due to their altitude and the jamming.

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>>30984616
Oh, now the HARMs are also launched! These supersonic anti radiation missiles home in on several shipborne Chinese radars.

China's in a pinch now, if they shut down the radars, there is no way to detect the Harpoons anymore.

And at this range, the single Ka-31 that is on airborne early warning duties, will also see nothing due to the jamming.

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>>30984638
Chinese are going to get rekt. The rest of the Harpoons are launched. Off angle strikes are programmed to hit the PLAN SAG from multiple directions.

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>>30984652
Seeing from the Chinese side, it looks like the Type 346A "Dragon Eye" AESAs onboard thr 052D Destroyers could resist the jamming of the Growlers. They have an accurate tally on the incoming Harpoons.

What program is this?

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>>30984684
Now, with the AESAs confirmed for not being able to get jammed by the Grolwer's AN/ALQ-99 Tactical Jamming Systems, the HQ-9B SAMs are being launched to engage the first thing that the radars can see: The high flying AGM-88C HARMs.

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>>30984702
Now, the HARMs, each of which flying Mach 3,2, are being shot down by the Mach 4 HQ-9B long range SAMs.

I have to correct myself, the low flying Harpoons still cant be seen by either radar, since the radar horizon masks them from the Chinese destroyers. And the fucking useless Slav-shit Ka-31 cant see them because of jamming!

>>30984688
CMANO

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>>30984719
Fuck, now the Harpoons are entering the 21nmi (ca. 50km) optical/radar horizon of the PLAN SAG, they are detected by the onboard radars of the ships and even the shitty radar onboard the Ka-31.

Now, they can be engaged.

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>>30984733
At 15 nautical miles, much closer then comfortable, the HQ-9Bs and HQ-16s are finally able to engage them. That's a spitting distance, really.

Seems like the Chinese SAMs cant engage low flying targets over horizon, still. Or else, they would have engaged them as soon as they detected them.

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>>30984746
Welp, looks like the Harpoons are suffering lots of attrition, despite the very late engagement by the PLAN SAG.

The new database update seemingly has fixed the minimum engagement altitude of the HQ-9 SAM, enabling them to be used to shoot down sea-skimmers...

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>>30984760
Well, nearly all Harpoons are defeated.

Their subsonic speeds proved to be their undoing, despite the limitations of the PLAN fleet air defense systems.

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>>30984768
It is official: All Harpoons and HARMs defeated by the PLAN SAG.

Here is the expenditure log.

The PLAN SAG has expended quite a few missiles as well... But they have those Type 903 and Type 901 replenishment tankers nearly and will make haste to resupply their missiles.

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>>30984783
Well, the George Washington CVBG's air attack has been repelled. No Super Hornets were shot down, but also no PLAN SAG were sunk. The SHs are going to return to the George Washington CVN in defeat and resupply. This will take more than 5 hours. In the meantime, the PLAN SAG will resupply their expended SAM, or return to the nearby Whenzhou Naval Base.

The USN's mission to stall the advance of the Taiwan invasion fleet has failed. The most probable course of action is to retreat and try diplomatic means.

All in all, it seems to be a draw for the PLAN

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>>30984832
But since this scenario is embedded in a larger story, as dictated by the flavor text; we will now assume that, in the meantime, two DF-26 brigades have assembled and are taking over the task of ending the threat by the USN carrier strike group.

Here, we see the two DF-26 Brigades, with 80 missiles in total, waiting for a satellite pass to accurately detect the George Washington Carrier Strike Group.

The last satellite pass is quite a long time ago, which is why the accuracy is deemed so low, that the DF-26s wont launch, even if ordered to.

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>>30984931
The new Command ver. has a nifty tool: Satellite Pass Prediction.

It allows one to select a certain point on earth and predict when the next satellite is going to pass this place.

It loosk like the next one will be the HJ-1A in more than one hour....

Which is shit for the Chinese, since a carrier group is going to places within one hour.

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>>30984973
Skipping some time;

Oops, looks like the Yaogan-23, one of China's Ocean Surveillance Satellites, has detected the carrier group much earlier than anticipated.

Equipped with a Synthetic Aperture Radar, it has penetrated the cloud layer and the nigh sky and provided accurate target information for the DF-26 ASBMs.

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>>30985003
From the USN side:

I never knew that the E-2D can detect space targets!

Well, it looks like a huge swarm is in coming.

Will the Aegis Destroyers and Cruisers be able to shoot them down with their world-class SM-3 ABM missiles?

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>>30985023
The SM-3s are engaging the incoming DF-26 guided reentry vehicles at maximum range.

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>>30985038
Oh shit. Looks like the SM-3's accuracy werent enough to stop all the DF-26 RVs! Not only that - their limited numbers, because of very high price, works against them in the worst of all times.

There are quite a few leakers coming through.

Will the terminal ABM capable SM-6 be able to intercept them?

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>>30985064
Oh man, looks like the first Burke is lost to ASBM hit.

RIP RIP

Why do you have the CSG sitting still for the DF-26?

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>>30985076
The George Washington CVN takes some hits, but only minor damages. Some aircraft facilities are destroyed, though.

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>>30985100
More escorts are hit.

>>30985085
They are already sailing with 30 knots+

doesnt help, since the last satellite pass of the Yaogan-23 has provided the Chinese with a targeting data that is merely half a minute old. This is an acceptable time-frame for the RV's own active radars to conduct area search on their own.

>>30985126
DF-26 take more than half a minute to travel from mainland China to the SCS.

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>>30985126
Oh noes.

The George Washington is sunk. All hands are lost.

SM-6s werent enough to protect the fleet.

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>>30985134
And the last Ticonderoga was also sunk.

Some Super Hornets were on landing approach when the George Washington was sunk. Very unlucky, considering that their failed attack on the PLAN SAG has used up their fuel.


They have no other choice but to try to fly to Japan now. But their fuel wont last, so they have to bail out over water enventually.
Their only hope is to be either saved by the Japanese remnants or taken POW by the Chinese.

>>30985131
The DF-26s were more inland, but the carrier group was outside the 1st island chain off the East China Sea.

Indeed, they need more than half a minute to reach them, but that timeframe proved to be sufficient for the AI controling the ASBMs to launch on datum, and let the missile seekers do the work.

>>30985131
THE SCENARIO STANDS

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>30985181
Last; Losses and Expenditures.

Looks like RAND was correct.

Even in a 2015 scenario, like in this one, the Chinese will be able to take out at least one or two US carriers in the initial stage of any war over either Taiwan or the SCS.

But I'm sure that the american retribution will be terrific - If the war didnt already end with both sides negotiating for a cease fire agreement.

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very impressive

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>>30985064
>70 DF-21 + 80 DF-26

That's around $600 million in missiles by the way, using the price of a DF-21 for the DF-26.

>>30984783
So it took 175+ missiles to stop the attack?
Yeah, I highly doubt that the chinks are able t resupply that amount of missiles before the CAG rearms and goes in for round two.
Or, you know, the Burkes haul ass in and schwack them.

>>30984832
>launching every Super Hornet at max range so they can't carry jack shit

MUH

SCENARIO

STANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DF-21D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>30985038
>hurr durr lets fire all missiles at maximum range so they can't maneuver at all
>USA BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>Thinly veiled g-unit thread?
Thinly veiled g-unit thread.

>>30985296
It would be interesting to see OP redo the initial engagement, but with

>have the Super Hornets carry 4 Harpoons
>swap out some Super Hornets for more than 5 Growlers
>have the Growlers carry more jamming pods in place of AGM-88
>have some of the Super Hornets carry AARGM instead of Harpoon
>volley of Tomahawks from the Burke/Tico's timed to match the airwing strike

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>>30985269
cheaper than a carrier, or an carrier group.

Chinese leaked that they could build 1200 ASBMs for the price of one Nimitz class.

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>>30985447
I'm getting a sudden sense of deja vu here...

>>30985470
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv13gl0a-FA

>>30985463
>only give the Tico/Burkes 32 SM-3's because they are "too expensive"
>150 DF-21/DF-26

This is reminiscent of the thread where only one attack of SLAM-ER was allowed.

>>30985372
Well, realistically, launching Super Hornets at maximum range will be the modus operanti in any war with China, as you wouldnt want to get inside the range of the ASBMs or the YJ-18s carried by the PLAN SAG.

With 4 Harpoons or SLAMMER or LRASM, the SHs will have only 200 nmi flight range by fuel. Assigning at least 10 of them for buddy refuel, would dangerously lower their strike missile number. You really need quite a lot of buddy-refuelers, since you have over 30 planes to refuel for an extended range strike with four AShM each.

>>30985552
>THE
>SCENARU
>STANDUUUU

>>30985552
They are 80 ASBM in total.

The log only lists Missiles and RVs seperately. And at this point, the DF-26s have a bug that makes their RVs DF-21D RVs, instead of the DF-26 RVs also in the database.

>>30985560
Since you're doubling the number of weapons per aircraft, as long as you have more strike aircraft than refueling aircraft, it's a net gain.

That's of course assuming that they don't get dedicated tanker aircraft from the carrier or from outside assistance of course.

>>30985575
Gotta add that only 70 RVs were released per DF-26 ASBM;
10 of them malfunctioned kek.

I really wish I had the intelligence, time and motivation to actually figure out how to play CMANO

Alas I have none

>>30985222
Wait, 3 Type 052D fired 127 HQ-9 in ~2 minutes? That's firing continuously as soon as their radars first picked up the Harpoons.

Were the 054A even effected by the Growlers?

>>30985708
Yes, the 054As couldnt detect the Harpoons at BVR/OTH. Which is why they barely fired anything.

Only when they came within visual range, their FCR could paint them on the direction of the datalink, provided by the 052Ds.

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>>30985222
>But I'm sure that the american retribution will be terrific - If the war didnt already end with both sides negotiating for a cease fire agreement.
How convenient. This scenario sounds oddly familiar but I can't quite put my finger on why....

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>>30985560
>With 4 Harpoons or SLAMMER or LRASM, the SHs will have only 200 nmi flight range by fuel.

Try twice that.

>>30984832
>tfw no PLAN waifu

So the Chinese SAMs have a 100% Pk? Shooting down even every HARM? Interesting.

Video Related.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULtzgE9mJD8

>>30985867
No, the US has sent out 96 Harpoons and 10 HARMs, while the Chinese had to expend 127 HQ-9B plus 45 HQ-16A and even 10 HQ-10s RAMs.

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>>30984652
>>30984638
>>30984616
Oh I didn't notice this at first, you fired the Harpoons in two volleys with a delay between.

>>30984469
what is this sim and where can I get it?

>>30986023
Why would he do that?

Make it easier to defeat?

>>30986098
http://www.warfaresims.com/?page_id=1101

What a moronic scenario OP.

You have no idea how to plan a strike.
Why did the Super Hornets strike at max range? They know where the Chinese CVBG is and can chose the time and place of the battle.

Why not use MALD and other EW systems?

Why not come in from multiple directions?

I could go on and on.

>>30986122
Yes, it gives him a larger window of time to knock them down.

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Are submarines accounted for in the scenario? Every CBG comes with one or two.

>>30986213
No fuel
No fuel
No range
No range

>>30986258
In the first one of these threads the OP gave some bullshit reason for why they weren't.

>>30985222
>2016
>70 DF-21D
>80 DF-26

Wew laddy.

>>30986278
They dont have to engage at max range you fucking idiot

>>30986278
MALD has a range of about 1000km.

>>30986307
China has already liek 120 DF-21Ds.

DF-26 are a bit anachronistic in that scenario, but they have the same performance as the DF-21Ds, since they share the same RVs in that Sim.

And also, the range is enough for both DF-21D and DF-26 to hit.

>>30986278
>if I halve a Super Hornets range I can pretend my scenario stands

>>30986403
believe it or not, the range issue is largely recognized by the USN, which is why they are investing so much into the LRASM and other long range strike assets.

>>30986327
You used 150 missles total. The 26D is still in development with much higher range (and im sure much higher PK in the DB)

Then, you gimped the BMD tico (which dont handle anything BUT bmd) with 32 SM-3s, when its total VLS count is over 100, and currently there are over

>>30986416
The point is that they didnt have to launch at their maximum range.

>>30986426
No, read the log.

The DF-26s in the game are bugged, so that they release DF-21D Reentry Vehicles when engaging. And only 70 were released, 10 misfired due to malfunction, out of 80 DF-26 used in the sim.

In fact, DF-21Ds would also be good enough, as the 1st island chain is close enough for them to attack the CVBG.

>>30985222
>Ceasefire
LOL

The public support to destroy Chinks would be beyond WWII levels. There'd be nothing left of China after 72 hours.

>>30986416
The point is Super Hornets have a longer range than claimed in >>30985560

>>30985222

You fucked up.

You said the chinese experianced picket losses from amraams, yet in the log its not there.

Any excuses?

>>30984469

Wow. This isn't a shitty biased thread at all.

I've missed you fiddy, I really have. I'm glad to see you shiposting again. It's been what... since Christmas about? Been a while. What happened? Trying to get people to forget about your disgraced exit before shilling for the chinks some more?

>>30986521
The AI superbugs and growlers were too dumb to engage the pickets at the 2nd try. In the first try, they did, but their fuel-state prompted them to RTB before they released their payload at the PLAN SAG. So, in the 2nd try, I simply deleted the pickets manually.

>>30986454
No, because sticking 80 21Ds on a tiny island would be very obvious.

Furthermore, you have yet to explain the 30 SM-3s when there are about 200 in US inventory RIGHT NOW.

>>30986521
Are you seriously asking is mr. muh scenario stands has been honest in any on his CMANO threads?
kek

>>30986547
Thats stupid, because you can engage pop up threats without RTB, and you can modify RTB states en mass.

I sense deception.

>>30986553
Missiles are expensive comrade.
Or something

^ >Amerilards getting salty for slowly losing their military and economic hegemony in the world

TOPKEK OP, post more butthurt scenarios

>>30985447
It doesn't even have to be that much, just have all 5 Growlers swap their AGM-88E for another pair of jammers and have all Super Hornets swap the wingtip AIM-9X for AGM-88E on the outer wing pylons.

>>30985447

I would also like to see the Growlers pop up and jam EVERYTHING like they're fucking supposed to.

Jesus man. This guy isn't even trying. Just like last time.

>chinese meme ads shooting down every single HARM

LOL

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>>30986489
The "Harpoon Heavy" loadout of 4x Harpoons and one droptank has too short of a range.

The distance to the PLAN SAG is 400+ nautical miles, while this heavy loadout is only 290 nautical miles. Keep in mind that the planes have to RTB as well.

And attacking at 290 nautical miles against the PLAN SAG puts the CVBG into range of the YJ-18 and DF-21D ASBM

>>30986587
He is not trying, he is shilling.

Im sure the other guy will show up to wreck his shit, just like last time.

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>>30986584
>m-muh scenario s-s-stands!!!

>>30986584

Nice try stupid. We went through this last time.

Last time we went down this route the general consensus was that the US would lose about 4 F/A-18s for an entire Chinese surface group.

I'm sure we'll see the same shit pretty soon once someone cares enough to debunk it... again... for the fourth time...

>>30986598
That's *literally* what tankers are for, be they buddy tankers or dedicated ones.

Actually, what does the navy even use as tankers anymore? Still the KA-6?

>>30986598
You already struck with DF-21D.

>>30986600

I know, but he needs to at least pretend to try.

Like, he's not even trying to shill properly.

>>30986598
So your excuse is the cookie cutter payload options.

>>30986587
The Jamming capability of Growers vs AESA radars are nerfed in this version to better reflect the advanced ECCM capabiliy of these radars.

In fact, the 054A's Top-Plate radars were jammed alright and even the Type 346A dragon eye AESAs onboard the 052Ds could only detect them at 21 nautical miles, which is within horizon and could have also been picked up by IRST as well.

But against the HARM, the AESAs were quite capable of tracking them. The ALQ-99s were simply overpowered against everything in the earlier versions.

Better luck next time with the NGJ, although I doubt that they will fare against 28MW powered shipborne AESAs any better.

>>30986624
that was only the 'inofficial' scenario end.

The official one is that the Hornets go back to their nest and the PLAN SAG returns to Whenzhou Naval Base, with anyother SAG taking over the duty.

Assumeing that OP is truthful (and i have my doubts due to the aforementioned inconsistencys), china just blew its entire strategic load on one CBG.

The us has 6~ more readily available to standoff strike fucking everything.

>>30986598

Why were no cruise missiles launched? Why did we only take 5 Growlers? Why no refueling? Why are we attacking at max range when we have the advantage of knowing were the enemy fleet is? Why is a single Chinese escort radar conveniently not jammed? Why were the Growlers not doing their job as well as they could have?

>>30986598
>And attacking at 290 nautical miles against the PLAN SAG puts the CVBG into range of the YJ-18
And?

>and DF-21D ASBM
They already were.

the second china attacks a us aircraft carrier with 5000 men on it nukes will start flying

>>30986637
>>30986637

You can put more than one jammer on the rails, and its very culmative.

>>30986661
Because the George Washington CVBG has only 5 Growlers onboard. The Carrier Airwing Five has literally only that many Growlers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_Air_Wing_Five

>>30986637
Do I need to make a scenario with real tactics and show you what a fucking moron you are.


Again?

I'm surprised there are responses that aren't "my scenario stands"

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>>30986674
They already have 3 ECM pods per plane.

>>30986637

What about literally every other inconsistency? Why did China use more ballistic missiles than it currently has stockpiled on a fucking single battle group? If we're allowing in-theater assets, why are we not working with the JMSDF?

>>30986686
414 nmi distance to the PLAN SAG (3 052D + 3 054A)
Only the CVW-5 (48 SHs and 5 Growlers)

Newest build.

>>30986685
>>30986698

Also, just to demonstrate how totally ignorant you are about these things, the USN hasnt called them CVBGs in over a decade.

They are CSG's now you fucking idiot.

>>30986720
And the PLAN hasnt called their fleets SAG since ever.

They call them "Surface Task Force"

>>30986714
>414 nmi distance to the PLAN SAG (3 052D + 3 054A)
Well Im not a moron, so I'm going to actually use my advantages and chose the time and place of my battle, rather than launch at max range like a fucking idiot.

>>30986698
How come the growlers only have 2 tanks when the SH *NEED* 3?

>>30986720

Run it and school these kids, please. I'm begging you. Even though we've done this a dozen times before.

>tfw sigh muh scenario stands was over a year ago
Is this going to be an annual thing now?

>>30986727
>inb4 THAT'S CHEATING
The scenerio falls

>>30986730
Im working on it.

Might take a while as Im going to be thorough.

>>30986741

at least its more amusing than the usual mindless shilling

>>30986727
Well, then your scenario isnt valid.

Enjoy DF-21D, DF-26 and shore based YJ-12 on H-6G bomber attacks.

the entire point of Chinese A2/AD strategy is to keep the US at a distance as to minimize their strike power.

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OP needs to redo his scenario with the following payloads.

>Growlers
3 480 gallon tanks
2 AIM-120D
4 ALQ-99

>Super Hornets
3 480 gallon tanks
2 AIM-120D
2 AGM-84L
2 AGM-88E
2 AIM-9X

How in the flying fuck can an airborne jammer for a fighter, jam fuck huge AESA radars in the MW range? This sim is biased to everything made in the west.

>>30986727
Nonono. You cant use your brain.

You may only use his specific ranges that hamstrings the USN.

>>30986752
Not 414 nautical miles distance = no valid scenario

My scenario stands.

>>30986760
FOR THE THIRD FUCKING TIME
TANKERS
A
N
K
E
R
S

>>30986768
They cant. Which is why the newest buid has fixed it.

before, some single Growler could jam an entire surface action group.

Now, their jamming is only good for obsolete radars.

>>30986777
IT BEGINS.

>>30986783
>tankers

Yeah, from which airfield.

Read the flavor text.
>>30984480
All US and Japanese airfields are destroyed.

You are free to use buddy refuel. though.

Also, 3 DDG's and 3 FFG without aircover and AEW/AWACS vs a carrier battle group is unrealistic. Where are the subs?

>>30986803
Black Buck light.
Or, you know, buddy tankers from another carrier.

>>30986803
Tankers can launch from guam, mainland US.

There is also buddy tanking.

Furthermore, the us airforce said they have no problems using civilian airfields in korea, japan, etc.

>>30986820
One carrier, please.

Or the PLAN would send 4 052D, 6 052C, 2 051C and 24 054A as well.

>>30984469
There's no way the PLAN will venture past land based air protection.
They're not that stupid.
Your scenario is highly improbable.

>>30986811
hypothetic scenario.

PLAAF is busy mopping off the Taiwanese Airforce.

But yeah, at least one KJ-500 or KJ-200 of the PLANAF should be on station at any given time.

>>30986837
Black buck is land based.

>>30986822
And more then that, if you're gonna hide behind MUH SCENERIO then you better outfit the CSG with as many ABMMs as possible. Not 32 because "MUH budget" as if the USN would voluntarily risk a CSG over a few billion dollars worth of missiles, if that

>>30986838
They arent, though,

Look at the scenario:
>>30984493
They are not that far from China's shores and still within the 1st island chain.

>flying over Japan

>USFJ and JMSDF do nothing

lolk

>>30986863
>>30986863
Oh, and chinese actually think the koreans would kick us out or something, when they directly stated in any war the korean army should be under US command.

>>30986760
>Well, then your scenario isnt valid.
Why, because the US commander doesnt behave like a fucking idiot?

>>30986863
OP handwaved it by having a massive Chinese first strike take out everything but the CSG. And he still thinks America will just give up after all this, literally Imperial Japan-tier logic.

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>>30986584
>people pointing out flaws in OP's scenario and generally just discussing shit about it
>"d-duh, fugging amurhfats"

>>30986891
But of course anon.

>>30986893
It's still better than "lol, carrier runs out of missiles and goes home"
Not by much, but still a little.

>>30986777
>Not 414 nautical miles distance
Ok deal.

One second.

>>30986803
I may not be Opp, but wouldn't a massive ballistic missile attack against every US base in the Pacific be grounds to glass China?

>AGM-84G
>AGM-88C

Kind of peculiar when the air to air missiles are the latest model.

>>30986913
>China attacks Taiwan and Japan, destroying every military base in the Western Pacific
>uses retarded tactics for the American retaliation again
>actually sinks the carrier and its attendant battlegroup this time
>America just washes its hands of East Asia after all this
It's actually worse fampai

>>30986946


which harpoon variant should they have?

>>30986975
>SIR, CHINA JUST USED EVERY, STRATEGIC ASSET THEY HAVE! THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT FOR MONTHS BEFORE THEY CAN LAUNCH ANOTHER ATTACK TO THIS SCALE. THE AMERICAN PUBLIC IS FURIOUS, ITS LITTERALLY 9/11 TIER.

>>Nah, lets give them half the globe.

>>30986987
The K model for the slam, i think is what he meant.

>>30986997
What, you didn't see all the cries for peace after Pearl Harbor?

>>30986987
IIRC AGM-84L (Harpoon Block II) is the newest model in service.

>>30986997
The US public is more concerned about The Kardashians and Pokemon Go than some shit happening half a world away.

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>>30986917
I love these threads.

It's like that one kid that's an asshole and he thinks he's hot shit and then the real tough guy walks up and just fucking curb stomps him.

It's great, please continue.

>>30987064
>The US public is more concerned about Shirley Temple and the World Series than some shit happening half a world away.

>>30987064
Just like the real world and survivor, for 01? Amirite?

Counting on the apathy of the people you JUST attacked is retarded.

>>30986906
Murifats losing their stuff because some simulation program fucked their shit.

Just run your own scenario and post.

>>30986893
Of course, that probably doesn't matter since IIRC, the KC-130 is capable of operating from rough fields or roads.

>>30987067
When that tough guy has to alter the rules and cheat his way to win aganst that kid, it's pretty pathetic desu.

>>30987092
>stop pointing out my (intentional) fuckups

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>>30986777
Ok so first with the Chinese situation.
(Note aircraft have not yet launched, but all land based systems are in place, including the targets.

>>30987096
Already damage controlling, huh?

Last time he smashed him so hard he spawned a meme.

>>30987096
You mean the kid that wasn't following the "rules" in the first place?

>>30987106
Scenario was in east china sea, not the south china sea but whatever.

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>>30986777
And then here is the US Situation.

The US commander is in a pickle.
What is he going to do. If he closes with the Chinese forces, he runs the risk of being hit with DF missiles.
But then those targets need to be hit and destroyed.

What to do what to do...what to do....


>>30987125
Its fine. The outcome is the same regardless.

>>30987096
>nothing has happened yet and hes already crying foul

Kek 50 cent already on JFMSUF status

>>30987125
Hahahahahaha,

>m....mu...muh scenario...

>>30987122
rules are pretty clear: PLAN SAG 414 nmi apart from the carrier group

no off-board assets to be used, aside of satellites.

one round.

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>>30986777
>>30987125

And then this happened....

>>30987142
>one round.
Sorry, real life doesn't work that way.

>>30987153
>SSGN rape spam

Lel

>>30987142
The other guy used DF-21s, etc.

>>30987153
I have no experience with this program, what is the significance of that?

>>30987153
Yeah, how about "no off-board assets"?

The ASBM scenario was merely an extra and has nothing to do with the original scenario of a PLAN SAG defending against a carrier air group.

>>30987092
>people pointing out flaws in OP's scenario and generally just discussing shit about it
>"d-duh, fugging amurhfats"

this is embarrassing

I'm not even an American

>>30987179
2 ohios just emptyed their tubes at standoff range.

>>30987187
>t.....the DF s....spam w...was not r...real...

Lawdys. If it was not real why include it?

>>30987153
cool story.

sure helps that CVBG to take out the PLAN SAG in question.

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>>30987192
Now we're talking

>>30987179
>SSGN
Okay, take your standard hole-in-the-water boomer.
Now take away the nukes.
Then add 144 Tomahawks.
Add Chinese salt to taste.

>>30987206
Because it was fun.
Fun to see whether AEGIS can defend against ASBMs.
For all purposes, it was a different scenario with a different goal, just reusing the assets of the first one.

>>30987187
M-MUH SCENARIO...


MUH SCENARIO STAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDS!!!!

>>30987206
Then don't complain when other scenario guy starts introducing other assets into the fray.

>>30987187
You have already been told minor changes that would greatly effect the outcome of your scenario as you ran it >>30986767

That can probably be tweaked for a 5th jammer on the Growlers too.

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>CMANO
Aurora 4x fan here
monitoring this thread

>>30987223
Ageis can defends against a BM threat.

The chicom did not give it the assets to do so.

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>>30987209
Considering that the CSG is there explicitly to remove Lo Mein?
Yes, it does help.

>2 Ohios
>Admiral's face when

>tfw Amerifat cant win against the PLAN and has to resort on strikes against China mainland

KEK

>>30987211
I see. I take it they are launching against the PLAN elements? How do you git gud at this sim?

>>30987187
So my question to you is this.

Why would ANY commander, US or Chinese or any one, when faced with a situation that is disadvantageous to them, PROCEED with the plan that has clear and serious flaws when Many other less risky options existed?


You ignore that any weapon system be it chinese, or Russian, or Swiss or American, is designed to work in concert with other systems in line with that nations overall strategy.

If China makes it too risky to moves carriers into an area, that great, the US can use other assets.

Same with the Chinese. Ever one of your scenarios is set up with a severe disadvantage to one side, and then forces the disadvantage player to proceed along a course of action that no commander in his right mind would pursue.

>>30987223
It was a scenario with more flaws than the carrier airwing vs surface group.

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>>30987250
>Chink can't win against the USN without handwaving away every single land-based US asset in the region
>even then he has to play the US side like a retard to win

>>30987209
>sure helps that CVBG to take out the PLAN SAG in question.
Sinking the SAG is not the victory condition.

You need to learn a few things.

In your own "flavor text" you gave the victory condition. "Strike at PLAN bases north of Taiwan."

Thats the measure for victory.

>>30987273
Fuggin WREKT

>>30987258
What sort of "severe disadvantage" are you talking about? The complete US CVBG has all their firepower they need.

If anything, the Chinese ASBMs in your scenario are far too much close to the shore. In reality, they are launched from central China or somewhere.

They dont need to be that close to the ocean due to their range.

>>30987250
>tfw Fiddy cent can't win against the USN and has to resort on strikes on airbases
>tfw Fiddy cent can't win against the USN and has to resort on strikes with DF-21

KEK

>>30985470
Yes, even down to the slightly bent syntax and odd word usage. I think he's back. Lets see how long he lasts this time.

>>30987273
Strike the base north of Taiwan, while the PLAN SAG that is being sent out to defend against the strike is in the South China Sea?

KEK

Cheating to win.

As always. Murricant.

>>30987284
Again.
Its a CSG

Educate yourself.

The disadvantage is forcing the CSG (remember that. CSG you fucking idiot) to advance into the range of the DF missiles when it doesn't have to.

>>30987296
>Strike the base north of Taiwan, while the PLAN SAG that is being sent out to defend against the strike is in the South China Sea?
Yep. Going after the carrier.

Isn't that the order you gave in the Flavor Text?

>>30987296
War is not fair.

The conditions were to strike at bases to slow down the taiwanese invasion.

He did just that.

>>30987104
not OP, and I know squat about CMANO

But I can spot whiny bitches from 414 nmi away.

>>30987296
There's no cheating in war cunt.

>>30987296
This is annoying.


Just give the SH's a proper load out and run his boss's scenario so he can see how fucking stupid he's being.

>>30987211
>Then add 144 Tomahawks.

2x

>>30987306
The PLAN was predicting that the carrier was already in the West Pacific off their home-port of Japan, surviving by mere chance.

So, PLAN SAG is actually North of Taiwan in the ECS and not in the SCS.

My scenario still stands.

>>30985181

U.S absolutely BTFO, hahahah junk U.S made crap.

Yo Fiddy, I got a question for you.
What about the SSN's?
You know, the ones attached to the CSG?
Those SSNs?
Why didn't they do...anything?

>>30987320
>run his boss's scenario
I did.

He lost.
The Ohios struck the Chinese bases.

It's not my fault he thought that the USN only consisted of 6 "CVBG"

>>30987334
Both sides have no submarines in that scenario.


Or else, 3 Chinese Type 093B and 15 Yuan-class boats are already sent to the 1st island chain to form a picket to ambush the carrier group.

>>30987328
>So, PLAN SAG is actually North of Taiwan in the ECS and not in the SCS.
>My scenario still stands.

Not really.
The Tomahawks would fire. In fact they could have been a few hundred more miles out from the coast and still been in range.

>>30987346
>Both sides have no submarines in that scenario.
Because to include submarines would make it difficult for him to prove his point.

>>30987334
In the first scenario a year ago he tried to claim they would've just suicided into Chinese ASW assets because reasons and got called out for it. So this time he's just arbitrarily excluding them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY7v21Zy1yE&spfreload=10

>>30987346
>3 093B
>Today

Lel

>>30987362
Subs barely have any relevance in that scenario anyway, since the time they arrive to strike either side, the SHs have already returned to the carrier to rearm after failing their strike.

>>30987335
you know what I mean.

Do the dumb thing and throw a bunch of SH's and a Sub at the Chinese group.

I just want to see how biased he was just in the way he planned out the attack.

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>A few surface combatants vs a carrier battle group
Not even a chicom but how the fuck is this fair? The chinks have a carrier, let them use it.

>>30987369
wow america btfo so easily?

>>30987378
It's a surface group and what seems to be land assets vs a carrier group.

>>30987369
We need a scenario about that.

Tu-22 vs CVN

>>30987328
>My scenario still stands.

The one where you played the carrier airwing without a full payload and with spaced apart volleys instead of a single strike?

>>30987378
The chinese carrier is operationally insignificant to the USN. 30 aircraft total, a complete wash.

>>30987346
Except, you know, there is now way in hell a CSG with the EXPLICIT MISSION to sink a surface group wouldn't have a couple attached.
Which, you know, makes them part of the CSG and thus applicable to your scenario.

>>30987378
>>A few surface combatants vs a carrier battle group
That's OP's doing, he wants to ''''''prove'''''' how impotent a CSG would be against mere Chinese surface combatants. Since he failed last time he's now throwing ASBMs into the mix.

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>>30984480
I found a scenario that would show how this would play out. Here is a selection from it.

>>30987375
Or, you know, range out ahead of the CSG to fuck with the Chinese.
Or wait until they're in the middle of replenishment to chuck a couple of Mk 48's or Harpoons at them.

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>>30987369
imagine this with Klubs and you will see the future of the US navy in the Baltics and the Black Sea

>>30987378
>>30984488
Done long ago, so OP is trying a different angle.

>>30987420
filename made me kek

>>30984480
Also, there is no way such an attack would be a surprise.
Since, you know, China has to build up forces to invade Taiwan. Which won't go unnoticed.

>>30987420
>Oppenheimer confirmed to be a troll

THANK YOU FINALLY!

Now, you finally revealed your true face. You are nothing but a revamped shitposter tripfag that was BTFO by me numerous years ago, like Cobra Dane, that 09somthingsomethingFaggt, and another Tripfag with a "faggot" in his trip.

>>30987351
>muh Tomahawks

sorry Werner, that conflict ended in 1945

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>>30987420
The only ones dying like pigs are Americans.

>>30987458
Joking is not trolling. Learn the difference.

>>30986584
I'll just leave this here.

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RR1100/RR1140/RAND_RR1140.pdf

>>30987458
What the hell are you talking about, chicom?

>>30987458
>>30987477
>chicom delusion and asshurt intensifies
All we need is madfag to show up now

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>>30987458

>>30987458
lol. Okay.

>>30985902

58% Pk? Holy fuck.

Given that, it's no surprise fiddycent had to construct this scenario so carefully to ensure China "won".

>>30987477
>>30986584
>>30987296
>>30987383

you sound more butthurt than any of the americans in this thread

>>30987458
>numerous years ago

Hahahahhahahaha.

What a sad, sad little yellow man.

The only thing i remeber happening was chicoms getting wrekt and tons of anti chinese memes being spawned.

You litterally did their jobs for them.

>>30987516
He's like that one vatnik who posts bait threads but then gets incredibly butthurt at all the people actually biting.

>>30984480
I'm pretty sure this scenario would make the nukes fly.

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>>30987153
>Tomahawks in East China Sea
>No East Sea Fleet 6th DDG flotilla

Welp, add 4x 052C, 4 Sovremenny-class and 8x 054A and the attack is dimished in its numbers.

Shore based SAM and PLAAF CAP will hunt down the rest.

>>30987458
Let me guess, you totally waxed him in an older thread thats totally in the archive but you wont post a link to it because you dont want to spoon feed us?

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>>30987496
>that last vatnik post
Kek, the liberator mask slips yet again

>>30987559
You do realize we're talking 288 Tomahawks to be exact. Shit will get through whatever fucking defenses they can put up.

>>30987458
I remember your ass ravaged induced melt downs at the hands of Madfag years ago.
I remember he blew you the fuck out so hard you rage posted a wall of text that became meme tier on /k/.
I remember you got laughed off /k/ and tried to come back as someone else because you were so embarrassed.

Thats what I remember as someone who has been on /k/ since 2007

>>30987559
>finding missles on the deck

There are around 300 possible tomahawks there. Good luck.

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>>30986584
>>30987369
>>30987397
There is one with a CVBG duel between the Liaoning Carrier Group vs the George Washington Carrier Group

Spoiler: The Chinese took some losses on their airwing, but the USN losses are also taking a toll. In the end, the losses mean that neither side has the capability to strike and sink each other anymore.

Thousands of dead U.S semen, billions of garbage equipment on the bottom of the ocean, Why were they in chinese waters to begin with.

>>30987592
>madfag

BASED
A
S
E
D

He was always amiable outside of chicom threads, but damn he hated them.

>£60.99

Jesus Christ, lads.

>>30987641
>he's still going at it

>>30987592
Madfag was driven off successfully, ever since the Chinese succeeded with the WU-14 hypersonic glider when the US' equivalent literally fell into the water 2 out of 2 times kek.

And the US getting BTFO in Syria and Obongo getting literally raped with his "red line" by based Putin was another nail in the coffin. And he's away ever since, moving on and trying to forget his eternal butthurt.

>>30987634
>5 J-15s taking down over 20 hornets and super hornets

>shooting over 100 AA missles

I mean, you expect to just post that?

>>30987059

No, 84J is Block II conversions. 84L is new-production export Block II that the US didn't opt for. 84M is the current Block III version with datalink, which OP didn't use, because fiddycent.

>>30987658
The price point and dearth of sales is always what prevents me from really getting into them. That and the fact that I haven't really ever played any so I don't know if I'd actually like them.

>>30987592
>I remember he blew you the fuck out so hard you rage posted a wall of text that became meme tier on /k/.
Link? Does this predate the muh scenario threads?

>>30987679
>Madfag was driven off successfully

No, he turned you into a meme and left when chicoms were completly BTFO and left. He is still winning to this day, without posting.

>>30987681
Super hornets had each 4 harpoons loaded and the updated Simulation takes into account the weight, giving negative ratings on agility and evasion rolls. The ones that shot down the J-15s were SH escorts equipped for CAP.

The J-15s were all CAP loadout, but since they can carry eight BVRAAMs per plane, they can literally spam shit.

Still, the Liaoning carrier group's wing cannot successfully attack the US carrier group anymore, with these losses.

>>30987272
Every single time there's a MY SCENARIO STANDS fag.

My favorite is always having the aircraft fly at max altitude and launching there for some reason.

>>30987689
>Does this predate the muh scenario threads?

By a year or so, yes.

Chicom, fiddycent, fiddy, .50c deposited into your account, tons of memes were directly or indirectly started by him.

And yes, the chicom asshurt was glorious, anything else is complete damage control.

>>30987644
Say what you want about that bastard of a man but he was extremely knowledgeable, and enraged Chicoms like nobody's business.
Bit of a troll though IIRC

>>30987689
Yes, this was before muh scenario. The scenario shit was one of the many events that drove the chicom over the edge.
But sadly the screen caps are on a old hard drive that died along with a lot of really old but awesome /k/ stuff.
It was in 2014~ and I remember him posting some cringy Putin/Xi Jinping along with his rage.

>>30987592
All his threads are the exact same too.

Walls of text with pics from chink twitter. typically starting out with some retarded question about chinese designs and then being like"oh and here it is that's crazy!"

never provides any interesting information and makes outlandish claims that are easily debunked.

typically posts first thing on saturdays, sometimes fridays

>>30987064
They feel that way because there IS nothing going on half a world away. Rapefugees and Team America World Police don't affect american lives in any meaningful way. Massive wars do.

>>30987729
They shot the BVRs while blinded by growlers?

They shot the BVRs before the harpoons were off the rails (the AGM-84F has over a 300km range)?

The lioning shot off all its aircraft component but the GW did not?

Wew laddy

>>30987831
AESAs are more or less imune to jamming now with the newest version.
And the PL-12s have home on jam modes as well

And the GW did indeed send the same group as OP's scenario, this time with 4 instead of 2 harpoons per SH.

>>30987412
wait, can we really pit the constitution against ships?

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As expected of China.

Their ship-building industries will churn out ever more capable warships to protect the glorious Chinese homeland.

>>30987878
And we have already deduced you played the US side like retards.

Again.

>>30987516
Why the hell would we be butthurt? This sim thing looks pretty fun to mess around with

>>30987927
The fact that you felt the need to respond says a lot.

>>30985134
>The George Washington is sunk. All hands are lost.

Highly unrealistic. That kind of catastrophic sinking would require a couple of dozen simultaneous hits.

Or is this some retarded scenario where the entire DC organization is nerfed into uselessness, and compartmentation doesn't exist?

Tell me you're not going to claim that fires reached a magazine.

How did /k/ react to THAAD deployment in South Korea last month?

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>>30987878
>AESAs are more or less imune to jamming now with the newest version.

>>30987945
It was already hit by at least ten or so ASBM RVs.

>>30987956
Indifference.

Chicoms went crazy though.

>>30987878
>>30987878
>>30987878
>immune to jamming

No, the current jammer has been shown to degrade the AESA on the growler (one of its main problems to be fixed with the NGJ).

So you are saying the harpoon SH did not have amraams?

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>>30987956
By having a China thread about their HQ-19 ABM test, which was their response to THAAD.

>>30986695
Be patient. It'll come.

>>30987982
They had, and they launched their AIM-120Ds in advance. But RNG wills it, the Flankers could evade as fuck.

>>30987998
I'm not the guy posting that shit, I misread his post as I thought it said something about Americans should be butthurt

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OP here, going to sleep now, since mission is fulfilled.

Have a nice day, and expect more

SCENARIOS to STAND in the future.

Peace!

>>30987995
>But RNG wills it
>PL-12 17%pk
>AIM-120D 13%pk

with a helping hand

>>30987995
There are litterally 3x the amount of planes on the GW.

The PL-12 has about half the range of the 120D, give or take estimates.

Harpoons have 3-4x the range of the PL-12.

Harpoons would be dumped if jumped.

This makes ZERO sense.

>>30988035
The mission to make chicoms look incompetent?

>>30988053
It isn't supposed to, it is a manufactured result.

>US failing the millenium challenge hard
>US failing the F-22 vs Rafale excercises hard
>US now also failing le epic computer simulations hard

How hard will they fall in the future - even in their excercises and simulations?

>>30988075
How did the US planes, with much more range, only fire 21 missles vs the over 100 PL-12s?

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Now try it with F-35C.

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>>30987592
This guy again.

Dug around in some archives for some 50 cent lulz
Found a thread from 2014 where madfag precedes to dismantle the chicom. You can see even back then people were sick of the bullshit.

http://4chandata.org/k/Gallium-Nitride-AESA-for-US-5th-gen-fighter-jets-a718439
enjoy

>>30988114
because that was the only way he could do a favorable scenario. Kind of like how the rest of the entire Air Wing was just chilling watching porn instead of helping.

>>30988142
>that fucking wreckage
>chicoms catch him on some insignificant point
>he sees he was wrong and STRAIGHT UP ADMITS IT.

Holy shit, he even admits when he is wrong?

How based can one man get?

Whoa, what an impressive grasp of American military tactics OP! You should consult with Max Brooks on a technothriller sometime.

>>30986937
Yes. It would also have China at war with every other country on the Pacific Rim, with the possible exception of the South and Central American nations.

What I'm curious about is this massive missile spam that China launched. How much of their GDP does it represent? Why didn't anybody detect the mobilization and buildup?

OPs scenario is about middle school tier, at best.

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So I have a question.

This entire scenario is built on a massive counter attack by the chinks using ASBMs, but wouldn't that result in a MAD situation?

The US would be able to see those launches pretty damn fast and once we note that China just launched 80 ballistic missiles, wouldn't the US launch a counter strike?

My understanding is that there is no way for us to tell if those are ASBMs or nuclear tipped ICBMs. And with that many in the air would we really not assume it wasn't an attack on Japan or our assets in SEA?

>>30984480
what you scenario doesn't include is the USS (insert state name here) conducting a full scale nuclear retaliatory response against every major military and industrial target in China. 12 hours will pass until a full surrender is offered. After that, every population center will be annihilated.

>>30988195
Considering that China has already been shown to be willing to attack US assets unprovoked?
Yes.

>>30988195
The pretext stated the chinese launched a massive BM attack on japan.

Yes, that increases your chance of gettin nuked significantly.

>>30988195
Its even worse than 80. He said every single US base in the west Pacific and all of Japan got fucked. There is no way that only 80 conventional missiles could do that.

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>muh scenario is the chicom that madfag got to sperg out

Suddenly things become clear.

>>30987064
Wow, you're pretty ignorant. Your statement would be more or less accurate until China launched the first missile. Then, things would change.

Let me give you a contemporary comparative example: 9/11.

We suffered a surprise attack, lost some buildings and a few thousand people. In return, we invaded and dismantled one country, occupied another, spent billions of dollars, killed tens of thousands, and took a decade to track down the motherfucker responsible for the attack. Then we shot him in the head and unceremoniously dumped his body over the side.

Now, look back at the last time an Asian nation tried hitting us with a surprise attack. They also thought it would be enough to make us sue for peace. History shows how grievously wrong they were.

This time around we won't stop at two.

>>30988382
The only sperging was from the chicom, as i remeber. The scenario chicom came after he rode off into the sunset.

>>30988222
>>30988246

So this nigga is retarded then.

In this type of scenario there is no way China would be standing, let alone us using a single CSG in this "attack" without subs and other assets in play.

>>30988416
It was the same person,
He got ran off, then tried to come back like nothing happened and got called out on it. Thats when he started to pretend to be someone else because his credibility was thrashed beyond repair lel

>>30987250
>dumbass Chinkposter can't even read the victory conditions posted by OP.

Are you 12?

>>30988246
And not only that but
>launches said first strike and invasion of Taiwan without anyone noticing the buildup
>sinks most of a CSG
>literally Pearl Harbor x10
>even admits that America's retaliation would be horrific
>ends it with lol America gives up and calls for a ceasefire because he can't stomach that
I think we've hit a new chicom low.

>>30987296
Lol. U mad bro?

>>30988066
Well, that's what was achieved this thread, so that's probably what he wanted?

>>30988195
Honestly, what >>30988216 >>30988222 and >>30988246 said. It'd be time to glass China at this point. They simply won't recover due to the tremendous fallout. Cancer would run rampant in their population, and they'll be occupied for decades upon decades to come because they'll need the foreign aid to survive. It's pretty much the end of China. We wouldn't sue for peace at all like OP keeps thinking we would. I mean, why would we?

In OP's scenerio, we simply have no reason to let them exist as a nation anymore.

>>30987970
The ones where OP said no significant damage? How does that suddenly morph into insta-kill?

where can i download the last version of CMANO?

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These threads are stupid.
These scenarios are stupid.

Reminder that you can edit the DB and lower/raise the base PK (really anything) of the missiles.

Its very easy to do so (intentionally), for obvious reasons and super helpful IF you go into it without bais and with good intentions.

If you are here to shill, you can see how it will muddy the water.