What does /k/ think of the SIG 5xx family of rifles?

>>30979564
>finish army model
so that's why it looks autistic.

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Here's the other part.

that your a fucking faggot op

Decent for what they are, have aged better than some other cold war battle rifles. Though they are relatively scarce in america, so naturally /k/ beats off to them like they are the second coming of Christ.

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Now the 55X family.

55x: Surprised its design isn't more popular really. A proper upper & lower for an AK-style action...

Swiss arms rifles are pretty popular in Canada despite their cost. Basically just a very high end ak in 5.56 with bolt hold open.

>>30979837
They also come in 7.62x51 and 7.62x39, although the latter is very picky when it comes to mags.

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>510 Commando

>>30979895
Nearly pulled the trigger on one in 7.62X51, but the price talked me out of it. I could buy several guns to have fun with for the price of one, and that's what I did.

>>30979574
>short barrel rifle

I don't think they understand what that means because that shit is as long as the other ones.

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>>30979564
>Rudolf Aebi
He also converted this FAMAE SAF, which I guess falls into the SG54x family.

>>30980073

I got one and never regretted it. Then I went ahead and got some more guns anyway.

Damn it feels good to be rich

>>30980086
it has one hole less in the shoulder thing that goes up

Love my 540. Pretty close to pulling the trigger on a 542 (found a really good sale on one). What I really want is the long barreled SAF but they aren't available and 3k for a blowback 9mm with $150 mags is hard for me to justify to my self.

>>30979576
>have aged better than some other cold war battle rifles

You better fucking explain that, seeing as everyone and their mom still makes clones, parts and customizations for a FAL or G3 or M14 but nobody gives a shit about the 510 except for a handful of Swiss people who take theirs to the range every half a year.

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>>30980155
Pic related with full stock

>>30980160
Because making G3 and FAL clones is cheaper than making a brand new SIG 510 clone.

Go fucking watch a clip where they disassemble and show the fucking SIG 510 before spewing bullshit on /k/.

Just because you don't have one, you don't need to be butthurt that this piece of Swiss technology shits on the Kraut and Belgian shit.

>>30980191

But how the fuck does any of that mean it has aged better?
"Aging well" and "falling into almost complete obscurity" are mutually exclusive, you fucking sperg.

>>30980205
Why? Because it stands up the extremely accurate SIG 550 in sports shooting in Switzerland, while the FAL and the G3 are not used for anything other than blasting shit at the range without any sense of what you are doing.

Not even the Germans OR the Belgians or even any other country that adopted those two rifles ever used them for precision sports shooting.

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>>30980214
>the rifle has aged well because it's still used for target shooting in its country of origin

Wow, okay.

>>30980160
>>30980191
>>30980205
>>30980214
Maybe >>30979576 was aiming at the fact that the 5xx series looks modern and, in the case of the 510, even futuristic.
G3's and FAL's look a bit more oldfashioned
in my humble opinion at least

>>30980222
Well, I'm sorry that other countries have shit gun laws where they can't own demilitarized battle rifles like in Switzerland. That's why they don't even use rifles like those or anything similar.

If a old as fuck battle rifle can perform the same as a modern 5.56 NATO rifle which is probably the most accurate service rifle currently being issued (and out of the box better than any stock AR15), that alone says that it has aged well.

Hell, even the USA can't have these rifles due to shit gun laws, so that alone says a lot.

I just know is that if the 1+ million of these rifles that are currently gathering dust in Switzerland were exported to the USA like they did with the K31s, you morons would be all jerking off to them about how nice and awesome they are.

Sour grapes, man. Sour grapes.

510's are ugly as sin. Seriously what the fuck.

55X are sex.

I have never fired either.

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I love my Sig 551 SB. Accurate, reliable, durable.
I love the trigger, history, testing and looks for the gun. But it's not some mountain magic rifle that beats everything else. The design is aging (not as modular as some other designs) and it is expensive to manufacture to the tolerances that SwissArms wants to achieve.
But I have to admit I would likely not buy it at current SAN SwissArms pricing. Price went from 2100 euros to 3250 around here, and at that price, I'd just custom build an AR15, get a SCAR or MR223. MSBS maybe in the future, but who knows if it'll live up to the expectations?

I find the Sig 550 to be too front heavy for useful standing use. Obviously, for prone they work great, but as a general issue weapon? Meh.

I don't see much future for the design unless SAN SwissArms radically changes their tactics.

>>30980240
>Sour grapes, man. Sour grapes.

Joke's on you. I'm Czech and the Stgw57 was for sale in here for the longest time, but nobody except a couple of collectors bought it because nobody fucking wants a 13 lb polearm of a rifle that looks like a WWI LMG prototype and is chambered in a special snowflake round you have to reload if you want a stable supply of it.

>B-BUT M-MUH ACCURACY

Wow, so it sucks at everything else but it's accurate enough. Big fucking deal. If I want a semi auto that can do sub MOA, I'll buy a good AR-10 and have the benefit of a rifle that can accept optics, aftermarket parts and is chambered for the most widespread full power rifle round in the West, and last but not least isn't a lumbering stamped steel monstrosity with the ergonomics of a Chechen frankenrifle.

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>>30980086
Here they are in 1 column for better comparison. The difference is small, but it's there.

>>30980191
>>30980214
>>30980240
Coming from a fellow Swiss: Chill your shit. The 510 is neat, but has not aged well. Our older shooters are only still using it because they're familiar with it.

why is their popularity such shit? is their construction cost abnormally high?

I'm trying to understand why they haven't been adopted in other militaries

the ak amd ar are owned by many militaries, why isn't this gun the same?

>>30979574
I want a STG 57 Sniper

>>30980309
It started production in '57 - when the Soviet Union already had an assault rifle for 10 years and the US were looking after getting one for themselves.

It was designed at a time when battle rifles had almost gone the way of the revolver.

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The Swiss must have too little oxygen from the high altitude, because the design specs for the Stgw57 state that it had to be as accurate as the K31, but also had to be capable of full auto.

Mad men...

>>30980295
The only good thing about the Stgw 57 in Switzerland is this:

>Accurate enough (if you are lucky to get one in good condition) for sports shooting
>only 300-400 CHF
>cheap and easy to find ammo

It's like the SKS of Switzerland due to being cheap to shoot and to own.

Now, it has certainly not aged well. It's heavy as fuck and very unergonomic, but if you want a "heavy metal" rifle that looks cool as fuck and don't want to break the bank doing so, get a cheap Stgw 57.

For the price that they cost in Switzerland, there's literally nothing bad that you can say about the Stgw 57. Price/quality fits perfectly.

>>30979564
>SIG 510 commando

That looks so fucking brutal holy shit.

>>30980119
Isn't that one made in Chile?

>>30980309
It's a monopoly by Swiss Arms and there's no competition so they don't really care about the external market outside Switzerland because it's the only 5.56 semi auto rifle you can use for competitions.

Although the 553 is sold a lot to special ops of various countries.

They just caught 700 of those rifles in Spain on their way to Ghana:

>http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/business/gun-haul_spanish-find-737-swiss-assault-rifles-in-container/42369556

Video here:

>http://diariodeavisos.elespanol.com/2016/08/interceptan-algeciras-cargamento-armas-contrabando-destino-eeuu/

>>30980160
>Aftermarket dictates how well something ages
Wow kys, merit of the base rifle is what counts. The 510 has soft as fuck recoil that goes directly into the shoulder (making it feel familiar for AR shooters) and ergonomics/controls placement for normal people. As opposed to the M14 which was shit when it was made and the G3 which kicks more than necessary for a .308 and has vital controls placed unergonomically up the front. The only BR that's aged better is the FAL, by virtue of having a bolt catch and a naturally placed left side cocking lever.

>>30979564
i need that finn 510 in my life holy shit

>>30980371

It doesn't dictate it but it's a great indicator.
If no one but a handful of Swiss target shooters gives a shit about a rifle, it has not aged well, period.

>>30980395
Man you really are dense as fuck.

This rifle was never really exported besides the 7.62 versions for Chile and Bolivia, it was used in conflicts in those countries and worked quite well.

It's fucking obvious that nobody will give a shit about a rare rifle that they can't have due to import or export laws.

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>>30980359
It's a Chilean sub-machine gun based on the SIG SG540. This particular gun is a semi auto version imported to Switzerland by B&T and, as previously mentioned, modified by Aebi.

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>>30980395
This is the perfect example of sour grapes.

>rifle is rare outside Switzerland due to import laws
>famous for the build quality, reliability and accuracy
>URR DURR IT'S SHIET JUST BECAUSE MAN AND BECUASE ONLY LIKE TWO GUYS IN SWISSLAND LIKE THEM!!

This where you can find out who the fuck is noguns on /k/.

>>30980425

>dude says it hasn't aged well
>gets quoted as "URR DURR IT'S SHIET"

No anon, you are the faggot.

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>>30980414
Here are some 510 being used by Chilean soldiers.

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Dumping Stgw 57 pics.

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>>30980435
What the fuck does that even mean?

It fucking shoots, it's accurate as fuck and it's high quality.

What the fuck is "aged well"?

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Reminder that the 510-4 lost to both the FAL and CETME in Bundeswehr trials.

The 540/750 series is better anyway.

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>>30980465
Because it was too heavy for NATO standards.

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>>30980496
The 510-4 weighs the same as a G3 or FAL.

>>30980514
They didn't send the 510-4, it was a special made one:

>Ende der 50er Jahre kaufte die deutsche Bundeswehr 50 Exemplare im Kaliber 7,62x51 und erprobte sie unter der Bezeichnung "G2" parallel zum spanischen CETME Modell A. 40 der Waffen hatten wie die Schweizer Modelle Schulterstützen aus Hartgummi, 10 aus Holz.

>Aufgrund des damals in der NATO vorherrschenden Verlangens (siehe die Entwicklungsgeschichte des Gewehrs M16) nach besonders leichten Waffen wurde es allerdings als zu schwer befunden und abgelehnt.[3]


Source: Rolf Abresch, Ralph Wilhelm: Moderne Handwaffen der Bundeswehr, Report Verlag, Frankfurt a. M. 2001. ISBN 3-932385-10-1

>>30980446

Is it still used in or close to the extent it was when it was first produced? Is it still produced at all?

And the answer to both of those is "no" for the SG 510.

>>30980446
>What the fuck is "aged well"?
>What the fuck does that even mean?

So you have no fucking idea what we're even talking about? Now this whole conversation makes much more sense.
For example the FNC is a better rifle than the AK, but has not aged well. It has nothing to do with the intrinsic quality of the design.

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Why do do the mountain jews get so butthurt when you point out that the 510 is a shit battle rifle?
>but muh accuracy
>but muh Swiss space magic
>I-its the best I swear even though only a handful of countries outside our country actually adopted them and it was outperformed by all other rifles in the west german trials
>y-you're just jealous you can't own one burgerclap
Literally everytime it's mentioned in the /brg/ some has to go on full damage control to prove his down syndrome looking rifle isn't shit

>>30980748
Because it's not a shit battle rifle.

It's like saying that the 550 or any other obscure rifle is shit because you have never used one.

Doesn't work like that man.

Only a retard will make generalizations about stuff he doesn't even know.

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>>30980748
Anyway here's some Chileans during the 73 coup

>>30980288
sup. do you achieve a good lower co witness with the diopter on your pictured setup?
have another eurokek 551 LB version with pretty low welded on 11mm prismrail on which the removable diopter rear sight is clamped on. just using iron till now, planning for optics in the future. picatinny adapter on 11mm rail should be pretty much the same height as on yours.

tend more to a magnyfing optic, so co witness probably isnt a good option. see through tunnel picatinny rails getting ridicolous high and with the stock riser you probably dont get down to iron backups but no cheekwield without riser. maybe another general flaw of this design

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>>30980758
That's why it's so widely adopted right and beat the FAL and G3 in in western European armies right?
The FAL and G3 did everything the 510 did while being cheaper and easier to manufacture.
>but muh super accuracy
It's a service rifle not a target rifle it doesn't need pinpoint accuracy

>>30980808
That makes it shit?

It's an expensive, extremely well made and accurate rifle.

>urr durr it didn't get adopted by the entire world so it's shit man.

I guess you consider anything other than M4 variants and AKs to be utter shit.

The SIG 550 is also not used by anyone besides Switzerland, does it make it shit as well? Is the K31 also a shit rifle, I assume?

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>>30980808
Maybe calling it a shit rifle was wrong, I'm sure it works great but it's certainly isn't god's gift to rifles as Swiss fags make out to be. The fact that the only people that use them today are civilian target shooters is good sign that it isn't that great of a combat rifle, meanwhile the G3 was up until a few years ago dropping bodies with the Germans in Afghanistan

>>30980834
>most paranoid country in the world with a history of crazy self defense and fortress doctrine would literally choose a bad combat rifle even after developing the rifle for over 10 years with a shit ton of tests during the Cold War and the Soviet menace of invading Western Europe.

Sure thing man.

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>>30980824
>I guess you consider anything other than M4 variants and AKs to be utter shit.
Given that non AK or AR rifles perform just as well and cost nearly the same I'd say no. A 510 performs fine but it's cost and retarded design make it a less desirable gun for a military

>The SIG 550 is also not used by anyone besides Switzerland, does it make it shit as well?
The 55x series probably has more users outside of Switzerland than the 510 ever did. Also it's pretty much just a Swiss AK you'd have to be poo in the loo tier to ruin it.

>>30980853
>most paranoid country in the world with a history of crazy self defense and fortress doctrine

Is this seriously how Swissfags see themselves?
Wake the fuck up, you haven't fought a war since the 1800s, you wouldn't know a good modern service rifle if I shot you in the face with one.

>>30980853
Swissfag here. Yes. Yes we did.

The reason for that is that we absolutely wanted to use a domestic design so we'd stay logistically independent, yet couldn't design a rifle quite as efficient as the G3 or FAL. The sports shooters having a voice in the process certainly didn't help either.

The SG510 is both a combat rifle and a civilian marksmanship rifle. While decent (even good) at both, it's not the best at either.

>>30980514
>1973
>>30980511
>2010~

Holy cow, they have been using them for 40 years.

>>30979564
>>30979574
It looks like a drawing of a gun by a 5 year old.

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>>30980748

Probably the same Swiss poster that says the K31 is the best bolt action in the world every thread Switzerland is mentioned. I know you're here.