Hi Power

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>>30957237
>no one shows any love for the Hi Power?
Lurk moar.

>I am thinking about picking up a surplus one. Anyone want to share their experience/opinion?
I have a "Fair" condition Israeli Kareen Mk.1 clone from Bud's; it has a lot of surface finish loss and some frame pitting around the stocks. There are also some gouges in the lands about 1/2" from the muzzle (someone's overly aggressive cleaning, I think). I removed the magazine safety immediately, and the trigger pull became much more crisp. Despite the bore damage accuracy is good, and with a new 15rd Mec-Gar magazine feeding has been 100%. I really like the spur hammer as opposed to the ring.

Here you can see the worst of the finish damage; the brown patina with a scattering of surface rust.

>>30957237
I went to guy buy one at Cabelas yesterday.
>know the manager there
>finger fuck it last week
>get a major hard on for it
>comes with 7 magazines and in near pristine condition, original case and paperwork
>have it set aside till payday
>get paid, go to the store the next day
>go to the gun library to pick it up
>manager knocks off $90
>went to $535 from $629
>fill out 4473
>NICS times out because they're updating their system and comes back as a "no response"
>get told I'd have to wait till the feds unfucks themselves
And now I play the waiting game, it's a terrible feeling /k/omrades

>>30957464
Thanks for the info. I think I will order one. Is the magazine safety removal straightforward?

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>>30957836
Yes. Just drive out the trigger pin (from right to left), take the trigger assembly out, drive out the mag safety pin, remove mag safety, then put the trigger assembly back in and drive the trigger pin back through (left to right).

http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133740

>>30957237
>Why do people ciriclejerk over the outdated 1911 design, but no one shows any love for the Hi Power?
The HI-Power had to work around a lot of still-extant patents from the 1911 design and the French meddled with it too much. The CZ-75 family is my preferred 9mm doublestack evolution of the 1911.

>>30957237
what have you been smoking plenty of people love the 1911, love the Hi-power, problem is only 3 companies make Hi power (don't quote me on this)

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>>30957910
Not 200% accurate, but pretty fucking close. Basically we have a bunch of out of production clones getting rarer, and a couple companies with new manufacture that are at least like $1000.

It's kind of shit. I really want one, but I'm just probably going to end up getting the CZ because it's close enough. I also have a 5906, which is similar as a 1911 derivative, but still pretty different.

All I know is I love dearly the feeling of a Hi-Power in-hand, and it makes me sad I can't find one in a good condition at a good price.

>>30957933
I have a Pre B Cz and after comparing both triggers, I'm already liking the Hi Power's trigger.

>>30957885
I appreciate the link. Ordered an FEG from buds. Can't wait to get it.

I'm just hoping I can get a good condition Inglis with stock.

>>30957237
becuase a double stack 9mm isnt a special snowflake thing anymore, its the norm. there are "better" 9mms that do the same thing or better
as for the 1911, its still one of the best shooting .45s ive ever shot, plus it has muh history

but regardless, the hi power is still very much loved. Look for surplus trade ins, I have an Israeli hi power coming in soon

>>30957237
You can get a pretty good condition surplus blued Hi Power for about $500 or you can get a like new surplus enamel-finished Hi Power for the same price with some regularity. If everything you are seeing is in poor condition, just wait and more will come on the market eventually.

The new guns (Mark II and Mark III) require you to remove the entire trigger to remove the magazine safety, and to do this, you need to remove the trigger pivot pin, which is pressed into the frame from the left side. To remove it, you need to press it out from the right. Hitting it with a hammer and punches will probably only dent up the end of the pin. You can nigger-rig a suitable press using a bench vise, lots of electrical tape, a washer, and a small hex driver bit. If you can't figure out how to do it using those materials, then don't attempt the job yourself and hire a gunsmith instead.

>>30957563
Why do background checks always take forever at Cabelas? When I buy a gun from any other gun store, it's like a 2 minute process, but last time I bought a gun from Cabelas, I waited about an hour and a half for them to get off their asses, run my background check and let me pay.

>>30958618
They're a corporate entity that has to cover their asses before proceeding. Or in your case, move their asses.

>>30957933
You probably won't like the CZ if you're looking for a Hi Power replacement. The Hi Power balances better in the hand and has a much crisper trigger than any CZ 75 could give you.

>>30958618
Just spoke with Cabelas, they're going to be resubmitting the form 4473 because the NICS didn't receive it because they're you know....feds.

>>30958691
This, after dry firing a Hi Power's trigger I instantly orgasmed. It's leagues better than my Pre B I have.

Care to wade in with an opinion on the trigger between a Hi Power and a Pre B Cz? Flandre?

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>>30959031
What's bait about it? I have a clear distinct point where I know the trigger is going to break and I appreciate that aspect of a trigger on the Hi Power than I do on the Pre B I have.

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Can confirm that the trigger on my "pre-B" Vz.75 has more creep than that of my Kareen Mk.1. The Kareen's trigger is about twice as heavy though.

Is removing the mag disconnect going to give me enough of a noticeable improvement of that gritty shitty trigger? I've heard the effects are enormous, and I've heard they're insignificant

I have a milsurp 1970s Mk 1

>>30959233
Remove it and find out? You can always reinstall it.

>>30958300
Different anon here, I have a surplus bhp, removing my safety disconnect was PITA. Some are easy, some are not.

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>>30959233
Mine went from gritty and creepy to crisp. Didn't change the weight any, but still much more pleasant.

Got a jew surplus mk2 fn high power from AIM. It was labelled good condition. The finish is pretty worn on the frame and slide. Little bit of rattle. Shoots almost as good as my father's brand new glock 19. Shooting Brown Bear ammo from both at a 5 yard target.

>>30957910
Only FN makes the Hi-Power still. They're imported under the Browning Arms name though. FEG in Hungary made a clone for a while, and FM in Argentina produced another one under license, but FEG doesn't exist anymore and I'm almost certain FM stopped production if they're even still around. The Israeli Kareen Mk 2 has some aesthetic differences, as well.

>>30959283
The stock Hi Power trigger is gritty, but not creepy. Creepy is where you reach the breaking point, start pulling, and the trigger continues to move before actually breaking. Even the stock Hi Power trigger is crisp, once you reach the breaking point.

>>30957933
How much of a poorfag do you have to be to not be able to save up $1000?

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>>30959388
>but not creepy.
Mine was. Couldn't feel a breaking point 'till I removed the mag safety.

>>30959541
Is your gun a Kareen, by chance?

Because the US military never adopted it.

>>30959082
>>30958851

Pre b is not the same as a short rail cz 75, please stop being annoying dont call the trip and fuck off.

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>>30959550
Yes :>>30959283

>>30959593
I've never shot a Kareen... I have a hard time believing that it would be different from an FN Hi Power in this regard, but of the 6 different FN/Browning Hi Powers I've owned, from 1950s production to 1990s production, all had nearly identical triggers. You'd pull through the gritty take up (with the mag safety in) to a noticeably heavier point - that was the breaking point - and then pulling through that would result in the trigger breaking like glass. The reset isn't tactile, but it has a short trigger travel distance and short reset, so that was never a major point of contention for me.

>>30959082
A lot of people have a tarnished view of it because of shit, abused magazines in hi-powers that had long since needed to be replaced. See: Most CF members.

Thinking about a surplus Mk II as a first handgun. I've only ever shot polymer .40s and a .45 before. Thoughts? How is it going to stack up?

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I love them both equally.

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>>30957237
It's mine now. All mine.

>>30961308
Let's see the gun.

>>30961331
Give me a few min.

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>>30961308
Fuckin' congrats, dude. Glad the background check unfucked itself, you lucky bastard.

I swap between carrying my GI pattern RIA 9mm and an ex-Israeli police Mark II. The 1911 rides in a meh-tier Comp-Tac holster, but the BHP has all leather. It's a classy gun, it needs leather. Both run flawlessly.

The Mk. II feels better in my hand, but the 1911 has a slight edge in accuracy. That might be because I'm not used the the BHP sights yet.

Or, it might be because it spent almost two decades being used to shoot Palestinians.

>>30961308
So here's the original case that came with the gun.

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>>30961508
Fucking derp.

The Hi Power isn't an American icon like the 1911 since it wasn't adopted by the US military. Despite its overwhelming use elsewhere, it never became popular like the 1911 did.

Both are great guns, with plenty of similarities and differences. Both are very comfortable, easy to point, and reliable weapons. The 1911 has a better trigger and safeties, while the Hi Power is lighter weight while having higher capacity. Just remember not to compare a brand new match grade 1911 to the beat up Mk II surplus Hi Power.

I bought a Hi Power Mk II surplus a few months ago, and love it. My only regret is I kind of wish I got a new one, but I am still happy with what I have as I wanted to make a project of it. Though I am tempted to get one of those Israeli Kareen clones as well.

Are the Cylinder and Slide parts worth it? Or is the cost well past the point of diminishing returns?

I know I want to replace the sights, or at least the rear as its pretty dinged up and misshapen. I really like the low profile of the sights though. Everything I've read says to send it to Novak to get a new dovetail cut. What is the lowest profile sights I can put on it?

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>>30961566
Here's what's in the case.

>>30961583
Nice piece man. I've wanted to get one for a while

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>>30961583
My second FN gun, have to say. I'm pretty satisfied with it already.

>>30961382
LOL wow, that shoop.

>>30961622
It's not a shoop. They had snipers at this past superbowl. Blame ISIS.

>>30961622
Do a google reverse image search, idiot.

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>>30961614
Have yet to look at the manual. Can't wait to go home and have a look see.

>>30959317
So how are those ones from aimsurplus overall? Worth the money ?

>>30961601
Thank you, once I felt the trigger on it. I knew it was mine.

>>30961660
What year is it?

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Is there an opinion on the SIG P210? I happen to think its a pretty nice looking gun, would like to fire one someday.

>>30961665
Don't know yet. I'll figure it out when I get home.

>>30961678
They are really particular about the kinda ammo they like. My friends dad has one and he can only shoot low grain ball ammo

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>>30961583
>>30961614
That's a really unusual rollmark. From a little Googling, it looks like FNMI was an FN-affiliated importer and FN specifically marked their guns for import through this company, although it's strange that their agreement with Browning Arms didn't prohibit this kind of activity. Probably why these guns aren't too common.

Too bad you didn't get one that had the big, elaborate FN logo on the slide, but still a good buy, regardless.

>>30959341
night hawk got in the game at 2500 a pop

>>30961844
Aren't those just modified FN Hi Powers?

>>30957933
sucks that smith wesson does not make 5906 anymore, handled one once loved it, was shot out and decocker had something wrong with it

>>30961583
all of those magazines nice

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>>30961647
Also comes with a different pair of grips and a spare recoil spring.

>>30961678
It's a modified pistolet modele 1935 in a round you can find. Very classy.

>>30961923
Finish is in near excellent condition with the exception of a scratch on the right on the frame and on top of the slide.

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>>30961957
Derp, I need some sleep after I'm done ogling my Hi Power.

>>30961655
Mine was fine. Some finish is worn off and scratches, but the bore is in good condition.

I jumped when I read that the condition had been going down as they sell them, probably bullshit but I wanted one anyway.

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>>30961974
It seems as though the previous owner wasn't as kind to her. I'll need to fix that.
>>30961897
Yush, I'm quite happy. She's going to be my next competition pistol.
>>30961773
There's another stamp that's on there that I'm going to take a pic of here shortly.

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>>30961773
Here's one of the other stamps.

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>>30962210
>>30962229

I believe the pineapple-looking stamp is a Belgian proof mark. Different eras of Hi Powers have a different letter associated with that proof mark. I'm not sure what they means.

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>>30962235
I figured they were Belgian proof marks, after I'm done dicking around with it I'll do some research of my own

She was dirty, I'm a little disappointed in the previous owner.

>>30962308
>brown "dirt"
Looks like rust, broseph.

If anybody wants a "like new" surplus Hi Power for $500, see here:
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/577221635

>>30962323
It came out pretty easily, I think it was just leftover residue from when the previous owner didn't properly clean her.

>>30962389
Is the bore smooth and shiny once you got it clean, or is there any pitting?

>>30962401
It's shiny with the rifling still there. There's still some minor cleaning I need to do but it'll come out.

>>30957464
>lurk moar
I bought a hi power last year (brand new from Belgium/Portugal; you guys called me stupid for spending so much) and the only thread I've seen about hi power since is this one. 1911s get all the semen stains.

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>>30957933
Non of those guns are related outside of being metal framed hammer fired guns.

>>30959417
You too dumb to understand not paying $1000 for a design that hasn't been updated since the 80s?

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>>30961678
I like mine. it and the Hi Power are the only two 9mm pistols I ever liked enough to buy and keep.
slim grips, all steel, short and crisp single action trigger, frame mounted safety, great balance and accuracy. it's a shame there aren't more guns like them.

>>30961754
I wonder if it needed new springs or something?
both my Hi Power and P210 are commercial models from the 1980s, and feed ball ammo of all sizes with no hiccups in hundreds, maybe a thousand or more rounds. I only put a couple mags of 147gr gold dots through each to make sure they functioned but those didn't jam either.

>>30957237
The fire control mechanism for the Hi Power goes from the trigger to a transfer bar, into the slide, and back down into the frame to release the hammer. It's a shit trigger design; the trigger is probably the only reason the 1911 is still relevant these days.

>>30962642
Is....i-is that the striker fired Hi Power?

>>30962701

Honestly you can blame the french for that. It can be removed thankfully, and makes for a much nicer trigger.

>>30962745
Oh...is that the mag safety? I thought that was separate and the part I was talking about was the bare required parts for the FCG.

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>>30962711
no, this is

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>>30962711
Sadly no, it's DAO which is a personal preference thing. While I don't prefer DAO, I've got a lot of time on em and in have long ass fingers so it's fine with me
http://www.gunblast.com/RKCampbell_FN-HP-DAO.htm

>>30962745
No you blame patent laws for that.

>>30957237
I will say that I'm a little disappointed that there's practically no trigger reset on the Hi Power I just bought. My only gripe about it.

>>30962701
The design of how the trigger engages the sear is totally irrelevant. It sounds like you're saying that the 1911 trigger design is the only valid design and all others are garbage, which is irrational and not an argument.

The fact that the trigger bar on a Hi Power is up in the slide doesn't mean that a gun with this design can't have a good trigger pull. I think a lot of people look at the trigger design and wrongly ascribe the grittiness of the trigger pre-travel to the see-saw transfer bar in the slide, when in fact the grit in a Hi Power trigger pull comes from the magazine safety (i.e., a different part) rubbing up against the front of the magazine.

The weight of the Hi Power's trigger pull, particularly for a lot of contract pistols where the agency specified a heavy trigger, is entirely due to the weight of the hammer spring, which can be changed out. Many Hi Powers, particularly some of the Mk II's with the ribbed slides coming into the country right now, have pretty light triggers, only about 4-4.5 lbs instead of the usual 6-7.

It doesn't take much work at all to clean up a Hi Power trigger, so every time I hear somebody sperging out on /k/ about how "HORRIBLE" the Hi Power trigger is, or how bad the design is or something else autismal, I immediately dismiss their opinion. Just thought you might appreciate some reasoning as to why I think you're dumb as rocks. :^)

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my 1944 WaA stamped Pistole 640(b)

Probably my favorite gun to shoot out of the collection.

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>>30962910

>>30962910
>>30962922
You shoot it?? Isn't that worth pretty decent money?

>>30962874
truth

>>30962945
I shoot all of the guns I own, but sparingly. I've only put maybe 150 rounds through the HiPower in the 5 or so years I've owned it.

Even less on the other more rare/ valuable ones like my numbers matching Luger. Only put a few mags through it to verify operation.

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>>30962874
Pretty much nailed it.

Finger fucked a FM90 (which looks great BTW) and while the trigger was probably about 8lbs, it was pretty clean and very easy to work with.

Also SFS Triggers are pretty neat. Kinda like triple action on the DP51s and LH9s

>>30962945
guns are guns.
they are designed to be shot, they are built to be shot, they are made to be shot.
do you not drive your expensive car because it's expensive?

>>30962983
>>30962967
I thought "my favorite gun to shoot" meant the most shot gun.

>>30962910
>>30962922
I've been eyeing some Mauser 80SAs on gunbroker. But that gun looks significantly better quality than the 80SAs I've seen. How is it?

>>30961308
I like how the black lines make that a perfect "awe yeah" reaction face

>>30962998
Mauser Hi Powers are actually contracted out by FEG, so they are Hungarian made.

>>30962998
Its awesome... though to be honest its in my collection more because of its ww2 legacy/history. I have honestly never shot any other variant of HiPower to compare it to.

>>30957563
This

Bought a glock 19 the other day and the fucking background check took an hour.

>>30963008
Yeah, that is a little amusing now that I see it.

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>>30962642
>thinks it costs less to make a gun because it's old
>thinks old guns are bad
>thinks paying 500 dollars for czechshit is OK