Is the U.S. police force overly militarized?

>>30942548
yeah

>>30942548
No, it's not militarized enough

I donated tons of surplus Yugoslavian JNA equipment to my local PD, gotta help the boys in blue

>>30942566
/thread

>>30942548
Extremely.

>>30942566
dubs don't lie.

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No.

It isn't the gear, or the tactics, that is the problem. It is the lack of proper accountability when the police use force.

You can be Longmire, or fucking Robocop. If you used force inappropriately and got away with it. Then you are going to have problems.

>>30942548
Define overly militarized?

Having vests and rifles isn't really "militarized". How else would you respond to a shooter? A taser and a "Pls dont shoot :)" t-shirt? It's like saying an ar-15 is a military assault rifle, it doesn't make sense.

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>>30942649
made up term like "assault weapons", to help the liberals.

Europe has lots of of para military and military police forces. No one over there thinks they are problem.

>>30942649
People see police showing up to a riot in riot gear, and cry about militarized police. People see police with anything other than a pistol, they're considered militarized. People see police with a plate carrier, they cry about militarization.

>>30942703
I actually think police should ditch the soft II vests for a plate carrier with esapi plates. Though the plate carrier should be a bright hi viz yellow color with reflective tape.

It issue isn't militerzation, it's cops not know how to fucking use the surplus shit they have.

The vast majority of cops aren't even properly trained in the use of their service weapon. All the shit are just wasted on beat cops and deputy sheriffs who play dress up and then suck their thumbs for the camera becuase they have no training in both equipment and tactics.

>>30942722
police departments don't have the budget for training. Buy fewer mraps and buy more ammo and range time.

>>30942670
because Europeans like their cops and governments, unlike the U.S.

>>30942670
Because Cultural marxists are in power over there, but not over here, so they want our police weak.

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Yes.

And the old adage of the clothes making the man have never been more painfully obvious. You dress like somebody working security on the Death Star, you act like one.

>>30942796
>I'm dressed as a dog.
>Therefore I am a dog.

It's not overly militarized enough tbf

>>30942548
no. As >>30942629 its lack of training thats the problem, they spend too much on this shit and dont spend the time to teach people about it. Also, most of the "militarization" is a farce. They only show up in riot gear when
>raiding a house
which is pretty understandable and has been done since the 70s
>during a riot
again, pretty understandable, especially after dallas, new orleans and all other chimp outs that have been happening
>to show off during a public event
which is more of a way to justify budgets. Any big transport vehicles stay in the garage, too much of a pain driving them around

>>30942548
Yes, but Ai Uehara will save us all

>>30942796
where can i buy that shoulder armor it looks sexy as fuck

No, for the most part police just have better gear than they once did. Police in America are pretty good overall. They have gotten attacked by BLM for complete lies and misrepresentations. Remember, this conversation really took off because Michael Brown decided to try to steal a cop's gun.

>>30942548
No, american cops should skip the MRAPS and go straight to buying 8x8 LAV-25's.

>>30942670
>>30942753
youd be surprised actually. I backpacked there a while ago (before ISIS and the refugee waves) and I heard the same old shit youd hear about american police
>dey is racist
>too much force
>beating me up over a dimebag
>just to put me in jail and make a profit off of me
Its just part of the job really, the only people who put Euro cops on a pedastile are liberal facebook kids who also think they are a utopia of gun control
source, saw many cops carrying guns over there, and saw a German police officer boot a guy in the fucking head outside of a pub trying to shut him up.

>>30942796
Don't you have some weeb trap porn to jack off to, while loudly proclaiming your heterosexuality tripfag?

>>30942548
If urban places, it's militarized enough because of fucking niggers!

In suburban and rural areas, not so much, because there are no fucking niggers, unless it's some smaller urban city.

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>>30942796
Abandon thread, Phil's here

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No. The only problem here is they get automatics and all that sweet sweet military surplus armor while the common man just gets fucked.

>>30942796
>implying beat cops patrol in armored vehicles

>>30942994
Ooooh, very much this as well.

>>30942994
>they get automatics
It's like /k/ thinks every department in the US has f/a MP7's...they don't, most departments in the US make their officers buy their own AR's.

>>30943017
Yes, and? It's not like we're allowed to be able to build our own legal guns without going through a ton of hoops and expenses, and have a denial for any reason the ATF feels like that day.

>>30942629
this this this

>>30942747
Thing is they aren't even buying the MRAPs (afaik. Correct me if I'm wrong), but getting military hand-me-downs

>>30943112
They're "buying" them for next to nothing and then Uncle Sam pays for their maintenance.

>>30942548
The problem is dindus and wetbacks. A set of guidelines for police use of force that can adequately contain the ghetto is wildly overpowered when dealing with civilized communities, while a level of use of force suitable for the suburbs would leave the inner city in anarchy.

>>30942796
Oh, so that's why you dress as a kiddie fiddler.

>>30942753
>europeans like their governments
lmfao
>t. german

>>30943242
>The problem is dindus and wetbacks
usa is an amusing country, very hard to move there legally and very easy to move there illegally

>>30942629
I disagree. Its the reasons and incentices for becoming a police officer. Seems to me that many people become cops to be above the law and to be more powerful than the common man, with others joining because they want to use violence legally.
Cops should join the police force to be a helpful member of the community they serve, bringing together those around them. They should place just as much emphasis in communicating with and gaining the trust of, and even befriending their fellow civilians, as they do in curbing crime.

>>30942909
Everywhere it's like this. Latin American Spic here.

>>30942575
>I donated tons of surplus Yugoslavian JNA equipment to my local PD, gotta help the boys in blue

Yeah, they are not going to use it.

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I want to be a police officer so I can legally bang small girls

>>30943643
I think that's what he's saying.

As a civilian I

>>30942670
>No one over there thinks they are problem.
Some do but the majority like to have a government boot on their balls under-developed, hairless balls.

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>>30942796

>>30942714
Some of us already do this depending on your unit.

>>30942753
no, we don't

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>>30942548
>>30942566
police don't train in escalation like the military do
more the problem is that the police have a system of authorised incompetence and are wildly Hypocritical when it comes to gun safety

>treat civilians like shit
>kill people
>protect each other through silence, fake stories, illegal aid, and no snitching, like what black communities do.
>get little to no punishment when they blatantly kill someone
which then turns into
>wonders why the population hates them
>get attacked by population
>"well, fuck that, roll out the ceramic plates, actual assault rifles, robot bombs, and MRAPS!"
It's like a sick fantasy.
If you reason with cops, they'll nod and nothing else. If you actually try and do something, they'll ramp up the rhetoric and prepare for actual war. In other words:

Respect police or get shot.

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>>30942670
False Analogy.
>Europe
Gendarmeries =/= Beat Cops. Gendarmeries are literally the police the police call when shit is bad enough for regular, pepper spraying, baton wielding cops to deal with.
>America
Beat cops have this shit in their squad cars.

>>30942548
ai uehara

>>30945184
Stop it!
The police are here to protect us all.
They are humans too.
If they have to kill someone here and there or break laws, it's within their right and we cannot say anything because they are the brave ones who put themselves in harms way.

>>30942909
There isn't one euro gun law, funs are legal in jewmoney

>>30945201
>nogger detected

Literally, the last part was the only good thing about your post. This isn't the 80's anymore. Cops are being ousted when they do stupid shit. The whole reason cops are militarizing is because the populace that makes most of the crimes are starting to militarize...sort of. Its a bit of an over reaction, but what ever it takes to stay on top of the game is better in my book.

Take Detroit, for example. Crime is rampant there, and more than %50 of the crimes committed are robberies with handguns and murders. Do you think a cop wants to roll in with an under the shirt Kevlar and a handgun to a store/bank robbery? I sure as hell dont. I dont think you would either.

Or the North Hollywood shoot out that happened. They had to go to a gun shop near by and get rifles to be able to even compete with the guys. And they didn't do much. Would you wanna have a .38 and a shotgun with 00 buck next time someone robs a bank with an AK and hard plates? Hell no.

When will this stuff happen? Who knows? And who the fuck cares? If we can have it, so can they. But there has to be a vice versa tooo, what ever they get to have, we should get too. Its become sort of out of hand, but its an understandable response to the late climate against them. From shitheads such as yourself.

>>30945271
Sounds like we need someone so will enact some common sense gun reforms.

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any police force or private security that exists is overly militarized, if you disagree you are an authoritycuck

>>30945300
>I should be able to wear a plate carrier and use an AR-15 but pigs shouldn't!
Retard

>>30942548
No. They need to be MORE militarized, as the citizenry cannot be trusted to utilize their rights or comport themselves in safety without constant oversight and the threat of overwhelming force.

Geez. Lrn2Police.

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>>30945319
what does leather taste like anon?

>>30945271
Right, because the police and everyday joes are on par and it's the everyday joe that will outclass the police.
Nevermind the police having actual back up in form of other police, SWAT, helicopters, and the ability to call on the feds.

And that North Hollywood shootout was the same thing as the Miami FBI fuck up, they went in with inappropriate gear. But nowadays, as you so said:
>Its a bit of an over reaction
the difference is they can shoot you and not get punished because they got the power of the police union, public attitutude, connection with the whole system, and their title to back their action up vs. you shooting at them for an actual legit reason and getting buttfucked all the way straight to prison.

And if you think "shiotheads like me" is the justification for police to go full fucking military, then you are either a bootlicker or police that got your feelings hurt.
Don't worry, they'll kick down my door and shoot me for posting my opinions on them soon enough, and I bet you'll clap and jump for joy over that.

>>30945184
They all deserved it.

>>30945331
Not sure pal, put your belt in your mouth the next time your boyfriend fucks your asshole and find out

>>30942548
Yes.

>>30945322
Sarcasm that is negative towards police officers is forbidden, citizen.
Expect the $5000 fine that will be coming to your mail or you will face a shooting squad.

>>30945353
>owning a belt in 2016

>>30942548
No, we still have niggers.

>>30945184
Stop, muh boner!

>>30943643
>I disagree.
>writes post agreeing with the other guy

Think about shit before you post.

>>30945373
If only the people the cops were hitting were lawful gunowners, that would make my boner even more erect.

>>30942875
I literally saw one of those tanks (which I thought Obama banned, along with camo) along with SWAT teams in camo just burning fuel by a loadoat place by me all day during the Hall Of Fame parade weekend. It was one of the big ones too, not a van. If I wasn't so much of a pussy I could have gotten a picture. I wonder how much idling that thing all day cost the taxpayer lol

>>30942629
You talking shit about mai husbando?

>>30945390
Apparantly only tracked tanks are banned

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/18/obama-police-military-equipment-sales-new-jersey/27521793/

however
>camouflage uniforms
I wonder why my local SWAT is still running them

>>30945390
Lol, what would the taxpayers even do about it? Nothing. Or else their dogs will be shot and police officers will revoke protection and harass whoever complains.

>>30945402
My country had one of those, if we ever used it, it would destroy the main road from the Sheriff's office.

>>30942548
Should be more militarized, if anything. E.g. increased training, specialized training, fitness grading, higher standard of discipline, etc. More kit or less kit will not solve anything. Blaming baby-killing assault uniforms will not solve anything. Only deep, systematic reform can improve the shoddy quality of the American police force.

>>30945413
I guess accountability is a low priority then.

>>30945429
Exactly, all of the shoot/no shoot in the world means nothing when all you have to fear for is suspension without pay and guilt (which their egos don't let them feel)

>>30943643
This is basically what he's saying. And it's true. Jobs like LE, they tend to attract exactly the kind of people who should never, ever have them. Law enforcement doesn't attract people who want to help the common man be safe half so much as it attracts people who want an excuse to shoot the common man center-mass. Where I'm from, the average cop is a pretty cool guy. They're polite and rarely seem to draw a weapon. But my city is small and if you don't know someone, your fathers still went to HS together. I imagine it's quite different in a big city where the cop is pepper spraying some annoying old lady rather than Missus Wilkins, who lives three streets down and has been baking the best god damn cookies on Earth for as long as you can remember, or it's some random druggie being hit with a knight stick rather than Bill, the affable pothead two doors down who passes out vegetarian Halloween treats to the kids and picks up litter in his spare time. It's that degree of detachment that makes them so quick to use violence. Around here, we more or less trust our cops because we know them and they know us. We go to the same bars and drink the same beer and eye-fuck the same women. They're less adeptus arbites and more an armed neighborhood watch. As long as everyone is safe, they're pretty much happy. In big cities, the citizenry is just a job and it's very tempting to unleash your frustration with them. The good cops are too few in the places they're needed the most.

>>30945429
That too. But the specifics for that will immediately run into some issues. You could have an "EPA for the police" but you'll run into many of the same problems as any other government regulatory agency will have. Like I said, deep and systemic reform.

The problem I see with the police has less to do with how they are armed and more to do with structural/cultural problems with large police departments. If there's a RAMPART-style situation where a plurality or majority of police in a given area are corrupt or otherwise abusing their power, where would you even begin if you wanted to turn things around?

It seems like a Catch-22, since a prosecutor doesn't have a case without evidence and the people who are normally in charge of gathering evidence for the prosecution are obviously not going to cooperate if they are the ones being investigated.

Would you be able to get the Department of Justice to do something if you had enough people complain?

>>30945445
lol no

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

In reguards to the Hillary Clinton E-Mails:
>To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

The FBI straight up doesn't give a shit about corruption if you're in power to begin with

>>30945445
What there should be is some kind of... Police police. In the same way that the military has their own cops specifically to deal with soldiers, LEOs should have cops specifically dedicated to enforcing the law on other cops. At the federal level, some sort of Justice Department branch whose only purpose is to gather their own evidence from scenes to see if cops did something wrong. It'd cost money but it'd work, I like to think. PDs cannot be trusted to be self-regulating so they clearly need a regulating agency.

>>30945438
So, as a solution, do you think relegating city cops, in higher population densities which lead to that apathy you describe, to a neighborhood beat (out of the car, being part of the community, literally walking a beat) could help curtail that trend?

I've had a notion that if we re-introduce police as community members rather than a (possibly predatory) force-in-readiness, we can reduce cop-related bullshit.

Opinion?

>>30945477
Maybe this. It works for the ones who just have a disconnect with the people they deal with. Not so much for the ones who actively dehumanize the average criminal or who just want to shoot people. But the average disconnected cop can probably be fixed by making him less of an outside force to the people and making the people more familiar to him. If he knows Bill the pothead hippy on some kind of personal level, Bill is less likely to do something stupid like resist arrest and the cop is less likely to lightly season Bill with capacasin.

>>30945477
Not him but that sounds like a pretty good idea
Of course, they already claim to do that, but it's kind of half baked, DARE is basically nothing, and you need to do more than just showing the kids at school how a police car and siren work.

>>30945445
And who will carry out enforcement of justice department trying to reform police?
A few lawyers? Against who? Armed LEO's with access to said lawyer's personal information?

Look, For all my trolling and shitposting on the cops, I personally know not all cops are bad cops. But because of the position of their jobs, they are given a special status and power in society. You're still mortal human with human flaws, sure, but to not be held accountable for actual fuck ups? You get fired from lesser jobs for lesser fuck ups. You'd think involved officers would get some sort of punishment instead of no punishment at all.

>>30945467
There's internal affairs for cops or whatever they are called.

Basically the cops who investigate corrupt cops?

>>30945514
You're being black and white. You don't go in and tell an entire department to pack their bags, you find the problem children

>>30945519
The problem with Internal Affairs is that they're... Well, internal. Let's say you have a small, suburban neighborhood. It's a tight-knit place and everyone is friends. Their kids play together, they have bonfires at one another's houses, share beer and everyone goes to Steve's house parties every Friday. Then, Jamal turns up in the middle of the street, shot dead, no apparent wrongdoing, and his brother DeQuan was beaten half to death in the same circumstances and didn't see who did it. Everyone in the neighborhood owns a high-power hunting rifle in a similar caliber to Jamal's wound and owns a baseball bat. Everyone in the neighborhood knows who did it. But they're all friends and they won't rat on one another. Cops are essentially that nice little suburban neighborhood.

>>30945531
And the individuals who kept quiet even if they knew something was up or fishy? I mean, you don't want to be the tattletale funkiller snitch, right? Don't be a ho, be a bro, right?

If another problem child comes in, we're back to rooting through the whole thing again.
The culture seems very "us vs. them".

>>30945551
Strange analogy

>>30945575
I like to consider myself creative. But basically, cops are this. A tight-knit community of friends and professional affiliates who will not rat one another out.

>>30942779
I'm no Marxist but it won't matter how weak or strong the police are if people decided to rise up.

>>30945581
Robots. We need straight as arrow non-emotional AI robots as police.

>>30945589
Unless you disarm the people and you turn police into a military

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>>30945600
As long as I get free implants

>>30945600
No. They just need external instead of internal regulation. Steve the house party guy won't rat on anyone. But Mike three 'burbs away totally would if he knew anything.

>>30945191
>police don't train in escalation like the military do
>do you know how fast you were going
Escalation tactics right there.

>>30943017
Cool, because in MD we can't get the AR's that they can. There's also a fucking overabundance of people who can't purchase body armor because that puts you on a shitlist with the PD.

>>30942670
in europe their "militarized" police are actually professional military gendarmerie, not fat fucks with unwarranted wannabe-soldier-in-iraq egos like in american middle-of-nowhere PDs.

>>30942548
Dunno. Don't care. Got our own problems in Ausfalia.

Ai Uehara is one sexy little fuckdoll though. Thanks OP - you're not a faggot.

>>30945607
Well that's different than just simply the police better equipment.

>>30942851
But then you're not a man. It still works.

>>30945510
I mean real, actual, walking a beat in a designated neighborhood. They would become a fixture, like a postman or other civil employee, and just maybe, the neighborhood might welcome the presence of a beat cop(or a few) everyone knows. The quintessential peace officer.

Can it be done in an urban environ? Well, that's the part we don't know. But the smaller you compartmentalize cops to beats, the more they know about the community they allegedly serve, and vice-versa. If shit goes down, you get "cops." If not, there's "a cop," who may be able to be a positive force, rather than a reactionary one.

"Hey, my neighbor's burning leaves and it's making an awful stink."
"Well, talk to Steve the cop."
"Hey Steve... is Chuck over there allowed to burn those leaves? It really stinks."
"Hm. That needs a permit. I'll talk to Chuck."
"Thanks."
"Well, it turns out Chuck has a permit, but I told him the odor was a concern, and he didn't want to be a dick, so he agreed to have his leaves hauled off to be composted."
"Oh. Hey, thanks."
"Just doin' muh job."

Community police.

>>30945654
Ausfag police are pretty militarized friend. They don't have the tanks but they have some nifty gear.

>>30945691
This. Also war vets becoming cops are a problem.

No they need more drones and more tasers and less guns. Unless a gang war breaks out.

>>30942548

It's a paramilitary force the founding fathers would rebel against.

>>30945711
Where I live in Townsville they're rather lame. I guess dealing with Goldcoast bikies or Western Sydney ethnics would be more fun/require better toys to impress.

>>30945726
Maybe not for like SWAT teams but for the average cop they're too trigger happy.

>>30945742
That's like basically everywhere

>>30942994
I have only seen two...again thats two PDs in the 15 years of traveling and trying to train cops have automatic rifles. Dallas and LA. Fuck man do you even realize that besides SAWs and other larger support weapons the military while the weapons do have the capability nobody fucking uses it, its inaccurate, ineffective, and just fucking dumb. Cops if issued anything for a TRT,SRT, or SWAT will have some cheap ass sbr. I am a fucking avid gun enthusiasts. And im all for telling the goverment to fuck off and let us have our sbrs and suppresors. And fuck if you can afford it im all for civilians having SAWs and shit like that. But stop bitching about your non auto ar. Its fucking dumb man.

>>30945738
this,

Paramedicfag, I deal with cops regularly

No, they aren't overly militarized. Most departments I deal with are still wearing leather duty belts, polyester uniforms, concealed armor and peaked caps. Two towns just switched to ripstop and outer vests with cargo pants. Some towns have every cop carry a rifle, others don't even have shotguns in every car. There's one county swat team that serves all 52 municipalities. Shit most cops don't even carry a tourniquet with them

>>30943177
No this is incorrect. When agencies get surplus they are responsible for and maintenance and upkeep. The federal government basically gets their fleet maintained for free instead of all this shit sitting in a chained lot at FIG.

>>30945691
This is already a thing on most smaller towns with less than 100 cops. When they work in the same town for 20-30 years, send their kids to school in that town, everyone gets to know each other. I know all the cops in my town on a first name.

>>30945609
>I seriously hope you guys didn't ask for this

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>>30942851
We'll strap you in like pic related and see if it alters your behavior towards other people

>>30946487
Fucking nippon

>>30942548
no, it's that the cops don't know combatives which leads them to use lethal force when jiu jitsu would get the job done just as well.

>>30942548
muh dick

>>30942548
That girl softens my heart

>>30942753
Nope.
Let me tell you a story about myself:
>During a mission in canuckland
Girls you've never seen frenchkissing you, anonymous donators paying your bill at the pub.
>In France
"You're forbidden to leave the base in uniform, also watch out for the locals trying to beat you up"

I know everything isn't rosy all the time in Canada, and the esteem for the police and army is a bit better since the terrorist attacks, but we don't have any kind of love for the government or law enforcement here.

>>30945208
Wrong, at least in France.
Moblots are the equivalent of CRS (police beat cops), and are usually considered to be even more brutal.
Most of the time, the police/gendarmerie separation is a matter of geography. Gendarmes are more rural.

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>>30942548
No, they're wearing whatever is on the market.
Dressing like a "soldier" doesn't make someone a soldier.
And we're talking about a small team of people on your local police force.
If you want to see militarized police look at OMON or National Gendarmerie, no they aren't your average beat cop but they still do patrols and uphold laws within the city while doing tours in Mali or the Caucuses.
People say back in the day police were less military-like but SWAT guys were shooting the same MP5s and wearing the same flightsuits and button vests as SEALs did.

>>30943428
>t. german
Clearly wasn't part of the majority in the last election.

>>30942575
>I donated tons of surplus Yugoslavian JNA equipment to my local PD,

Did they give you some $25 Walmart gift cards to show their appreciation?

Anon, I don't know how to break this to you...

>>30942747
A lot of departments also get federal counter-terrorism money but it can only spent on certain things like military equipment and if they don't buy that stuff they miss out on the money all together

>>30942548
amerilards are all just useless in general as it were

nice ass

>>30942945
lol

Define "militarized".

>>30948046
Thats not how any of this works.

>>30945184
Fuck cops.

>>30945466
The FBI isn't in charge of handing down workplace sanctions, they're in charge of investigating crimes

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>>30946487
Why is this hot? Why why why.

>>30944326
This anon gets it. In Etnostatrs like Japan the police use revolvers because they never need to shoot. Even the yakuza is more civilized than niggers. Just see the case of the japanese who killed some retards in a retardspsychiatric ward, he surrendered to the police and apologized to the retard's families. With niggers you just can't talk.

>>30942548
Who is this sperm wyrm?

>>30949892
Fuck niggers

>>30950129
My gf, desu

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>>30950129
>i don't know how to reverse search
kys
>>30942548
No. Not even close.

>>30942548
Why do niggers keep chimping out and muslims keep bombing shit?

>>30942747
You think their budget issues are from equipment purchases? lol. Ever heard of a defined benefit pension friendo?

>>30942779
>Cultural marxists

That meme again.

its just a way to deflect that its their people making those decisions. Creating a nebulous conspiracy theory only to deflect blame onto others is fucking childish.

>muh 'but a jew once said this!'

>>30950417
Jesus h Christ sauce please!
I'm on my phone

>>30950746
It's the skeleton woman from Furious 7

>>30950755
Thanks dude!

>>30945477
>>30945510
>>30945691

This SOUNDS good, but I don't think you understand how many people actually live in large urban areas. Look here:

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/safety-justice/law-enforcement-police-department-employee-totals-for-cities.html

Pick any large city. I live in Chicago. ~225 officers for every person. I don't see the beat cops getting to know the people on the block when the block consists of several high rises with several thousand people living in them.

>>30943643
>I disagree.
Everything else with your post makes a lot of sense, kek. Proof read your stuff, my man.

>>30942649
Deploying overwhelming lresence and excesses of lethal force in situations that don't merit such a response

I.e. too many officers on the scene/interacting at one time with no direct supervision, and using the toys because you can not because you need to

As an academy hopeful, I know I'm painting officers into a vulnerable corner, but I don't want to join because I expect to be safe, I want to join because I believe in the ideal of serving the rule of law and don't mind losing my soul to a sissyphean labor

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>>30942548
No.

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>>30942548
No. (Part 2)

>>30942548

It's the wrong kind of militarized: all the equipment, with none of the discipline and training.

>>30942548
Alota niggers with alota guns.

>>30943643
This so much it hurts, and the guy your responding to. If here was any one single thing I could do to fix cops it would be to get hem out of their fucking squads and start walking the beat like the used to

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>>30945691
someone has never lived in a city

>>30945477
Wow, you figured out community policing. Nobody's ever proposed this one before.

Cities have never been as large as they are now. The human population boom is growing in the cities more than everywhere ells. more people live in cities than outside of them.

You guys don't think this is going to be a problem for you because you don't live in the city? How about your children and grandchildren, when your town or suburb grows to match the density.

Cities sprawl outward.

I get the feeling some people posting 'lol nigguhs' are going to get a boot in their own face from a law man at some point in the future. Because cops beat the shit out of white people too.

U.S. Police equipment are nowhere near the lever required by the threats they face.

>>30945403
Vote in local elections, which have an immediate impact on the populace.

seriously, those are the most underappreciated elections.

>>30945332
See the problem with this is that it equates numbers to parity. Sending a 60s cop with a blue uniform and .38 special into an active shooter situation is fucking suicide, even if there is 10 blues and one bad guy. The 10 may overwhelm the 1 of course, but they have families and stuff. Many of the resources you just described arent universally available or is disingeniously represented. A police helicopter isnt necessarily useful for a crackhouse raid, except to provide overwatch. The FBI wont show up for a shootout at a highschool; they may show up hours after the gun battle ended.

this isnt GTA, you dont get 4 stars then swat spawns a block away, and a small town isnt going to be happy if it takes heavy casualties because some guy with a rifle mows down the two deputies serving a warrant or whatever.

Your typical cop only has a glock, pepper spray, and or tazer. It is entirely possible that some hoodrat or Sovereign Citizen or cartel guy has a rifle that will blast right through their vest. Just look at Dallas, where the cop gets flanked around the pillar. Glock vs. Rifle, who do you think is at a comparative advantage?

I certainly think no knock raids are insane and unconstitutional, but i think its a bit extreme to say that police shouldnt have access to equipment that keeps them on par, person to person, with modern threats.

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This is your daily reminder that there has always been corrupt, violent police, there has always been shitty people, and that we live in the least violent and most accepting era of human history.

>>30951038
>>30951019
This.

>>30942548
Oh boy here we go.

>>30942548
No people are juat starting to act more and more like uncivilized niggers

>>30942548
It's under-cybernized

>>30951320
>we live in the least violent and most accepting era of human history.

We didn't get there with low standards though.

The Western world is so nice because we have a pathological aversion to "good enough."

>>30951375
Of course not. But it's disingenous for SJWs and the like to endlessly complain about shit like it's this new plague upon society, and that the world was all peachy and fluffy several decades ago. That Then Vs Now rose-tinted glasses bullshit pisses me off.

>>30942548
The problem has more to do with mindset and training than equipment. Screaming about them toting scurry salt rifles and MRAPS is just dancing around the real problem.

I've been pulled over twice this year while riding my bike home from the gym
>dark af Mexican
>Usually wear wife beaters to gym
Both times I told my family about it they all said the same thing
>"hijo. Teh polsia arrrrrrre racist. When they try to pull ju ober, rrrrrun."

>Try to explain that both times they were justified in pulling me over because I looked suspicious by riding my bike through an alley to catch the bike trail home
>and that running would only make me seem guilty
>Second time I was riding a different bike because some fucking vato stole my new mountain bike that had all the lights and reflectors needed to ride at night
>this time cop actually patted me down and put my hands behind my back
>got defensive when I told them this wasn't my bike but then relaxed when I said my bike was stolen

First time was two white cops in the middle of the day and second time was one Afro-American male and one Mexican lady cop, this time was at night.
Both times I acted like an actual human being instead of the "I'M fUCKING RECORDING THIS YOU DUCKING PIGS" dindus you see on the Internet and both times ended in just shooting the breeze about what its like being a cop or what I plan to do in the future. Maybe it's just my experiences with them but they've always treated me with professionalism and I never felt scared or intimidated by them.

Where I'm from (Australia) no, we keep things pretty tame unless Ahmed and Abdul call in a bomb threat and even then (Lindt Cafe seige) there were plainclothes officers on the frontlines.

I refuse to comment on American Police because I don't live in America.
I imagine the atitude must be different there when every Tom, Dick and Jamal could be packing enough firepower to blow you out of your socks during a simple traffic stop.

I've been a serving West Australian Police Officer for 12 years.

>>30945271
Then use the appropriate tool for the appropriate job. Pulling me over for speeding doesn't require level III armor and a buddy with an AR behind me. If I treat you right, you better fucking treat me the same way.

It's a two way street. If you don't do your job correctly, don't expect me to appreciate your "sacrifice". If you're going to assume I'm a shitbird just because you're a cop and therefore Gods instrument of justice on earth, you better expect a reaction

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>>30945184
>implying this a bad thing
God bless and good for them! rRidding the streets of degenerate criminals everywhere, making this country great again little by little.
Follow the law, do as you're told, and this shit won't happen to you

inb4 bootlicker
inb4 robot
Gone my whole life so far following the laws and not once have I ever had a bad interaction with cops. Literally ALL the times I've been pulled over I've been given a friendly warning.

>>30942575
>police get slavshit surplus in every city
>cops walk the streets with makarovs in old leather pouches
>trunk has either an AK or a mosin
>Cars cease to function as they traded them out for slav cars
>police no longer walk a beat but instead squat near bus stops
>blue uniform that was once slacks with a button down shirt becomes an Addidas navy track suit
>when pulled over, you refer to the cop as "comrade" instead of sir.

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>>30951915
>punching restrained women
>pepper-spraying restained people
>beating restrained prisoners
>not a bad thing

mfw

>>30951320
but when I watch the TV, how come they say that there are so many moiders and crime guys!

>>30951915
You can't inb4 your own post.

>>30942548
No, the citizenry in general is under militarized. That's why we need to repeal NFA.

>>30943017
Iunno 'bout where you live, but I live in a pretty small rural town, and our city PD has M4s in probably half of the squad cars, and every officer is issued an AR-15. Sheriff's deputies are similarly armed.

Oh, and the officers with the M4s also wear plate carriers with plates (Probably not ESAPI, but still SAPI plates)

>>30942548
Whenever i see threads like this and the morons saying yes. I can tell how retarded and distatched all of you are from the real world. Its so cute seeing kiddies with authority problems are.

Arm the police, give them armor, give them humvees.

>>30952566
agreed

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>>30945184

any video can fit a narrative if you cherrypick footage

>>30942548
No the us citizen's militia is under militarised
Repeal '86 for people-gubmint parity!

>>30942548
>ARs, glocks, and fuckin oakleys
>Armored vehicles, tacticool fool gear everywhere
>Most cops lack the proper training to deescalate a situation, we pay for serious hardware and tell them that everyone is out there gunning for them. We hardly do any screening other than a background check, maybe a half assed psych eval if you're in a bigger department.
>Have a few buddies that are cops, they're all pretty chill. Most of them tell me that when you're at a call that takes you somewhere that your gun wont really help you, your best bet is to just calm everyone there and don't kick down doors and rough people up like you're in a cop movie.
>They constantly talk about guys who are out there just looking for an excuse to fuck someone up, and how they give the rest of the guys a bad name.

>>30942548
>Over floridated and pussies is more like it.

>>30945184
Someone needs to add this as background music for this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg