Parts Kit FAMAS

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>>30931447
cant understand ebonics sorry

>>30931447
It's certainly possible, but it won't happen.

France will either destroy them or give them to some shit country in Africa.

There has to actually be parts to buy in France for them to be sold in America.

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>>30931465
Can't handle a run-on sentence?

In theory, yes

But... there's that barrel ban about how imported barrels can't be from machine guns, so the barrels would have to come from NOS of MAS .223s from back in the 80s or someone would have to start producing them here in the US.

Along with the receiver.

Can it be done? Yes. Will it happen? No, not a chance in hell. You're best off to save ten grand, and wait for one to hit the auction block.

Which is what I've been doing for the past six or so years.

>>30931470
>France will either destroy them or give them to some shit country in Africa.

Why do you gotta make me feel these feels?

>>30931447
I don't care what people say, I can see the double the

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>>30931484
no

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>>30931523
ok

>>30931493
That and I guess it would be a really expensive undertaking.

>Which is what I've been doing for the past six or so years.

For you then: http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/68/lid/725

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5dcKIMBY7Q

If you get it play this on the way to your first range trip with it...do it for me anon.

>>30931594
But someones already grabbed it? Or am I misreading the listing.

>>30931617
it sells in September

>>30931594
Yeah, I've already signed up to bid and called my financier about it.

I'll be bidding on it, and it will be a gently used range gun. If I win it, I'll play that

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>>30931675
If you are serious I am glad it might go to a fellow /k/ommando....desu if it was me I would shoot the ever living hell out of it.

>>30931720
Yeah, I'm serious about it. I've wanted guns before but none like I've wanted a FAMAS.

I want to shoot it and I will but I also want to keep it in good condition because it is a collectors piece

>>30931766
Good to know, also how do you go about financing something like that? Seems like it would be a bit odd just calling a bank or something saying I am using this to buy a gun.

Nah the way I look at it is you live once, enjoy it...also if I am spending that kind of money on something I am going to use it...or at least scan every part in a CAD program and get a breakdown of the metals used and start making as legally as I am allowed to a copy of it here state side.

>>30931863
Saved my money. I set up an additional savings account for the gun about six years ago, I just called it the gun fund. As I could I would put money away into it. I have another one for the Porsche 930 I want.

On top of my regular savings and checking, I've got about eight grand in that account. By the time the auction hits, I'll have about 9500. Depending on how I feel closer to the auction I may take out a personal loan, about three thousand. So to answer your question, most of it will be out of my pocket, some from a loan

I talked with my financial planner about it, moved some money between accounts and as long as I keep my spending habits in check and work is going well I should be good.

The good thing about these being at auction is that you have time to save until they hit the block and when they do come up for auction, you either have enough or you don't.

If someone actually did do a CAD program and started doing forging or machining for them, they should be a national hero.

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>>30931968
Damn, you really planned this out anon.

>mfw Going on a range day in a Porsche 930 with a FAMAS in the trunk.

You could be that hero.

>>30932025
Well, I don't know if I planned it out or I just got lucky with timing. If It weren't up for auction now, I would probably get the next one that shows up in a few years. And if I don't win this auction, I'll keep saving and managing my money so I can get that one, in a few years

>>30932044
This poorfag college student wishes you the best of luck on bidding anon...if you win post pics of it on here :)

>>30932079
You got it.

And if you pinch pennies in college and continue to do it after you leave and make good money, you'll be able to get plenty of nice things. I know it's easy to spend that money on booze and shit but if you save and buy what you really want, it's just that much better

>>30932102
Thanks anon. :)

I had about $4k saved up from over the last few years for a racing license or some nice funs, but back in March I had to get a new car...water was leaking into my fuse box on my car and I decided to replace it before having to replace all of the electronics....then my job stopped paying me right after I got it. In a couple of years I'll hopefully graduate and have a few pennies saved up and who knows I might find one of these French rifles myself.

>>30932219
Shit like that always sucks man but you'll be a better person.

Keep saving and one day you can have whatever you want. And who knows, maybe by then if this auction doesn't go my way, we'll be bidding against each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYUoG9S-y4

Video Related...

>>30932295
I know I will be, without a car I am not exactly getting to work. :P

Look forward to potentially bidding against you one day.

>>30931493
This pretty much.

The barrel should be slightly easier to make because of there being no gas system or port to fuck around with.
Worst case scenario if parts kits actually happened the people who would be demilling the rifles would not only torch cut the barrel but the freefloat barrel sleeve going halfway up the barrel.

The receiver would have to be milled from a very large block of billet steel and the operations required look pretty complex.

All in all a very costly proposition and a long shot in the gun industry. I don't think any of it would materialize for the reasons stated.

I honestly doubt France would take the time to demil and cut up their famas arsenal for parts kits when there is better paying and actual good demand for 223/556 rifles in the middle east right now from "moderate rebel" groups.

>>30931447
No. French export laws forbid it.

>>30931968
If you do manage to win it, I can get you dimensional data for CAD if you'd be willing to "loan" it out for a couple days.

>>30934507
One would think that laws could be changed.

But quoting a politician after a citizens initiative was rejected: "Changing the law would require changing the law, so we can't do it."

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>>30931447
It'll *never* be exported as surplus from France. You'll have to wait for stocks to pop up from places they were forked to, God knows when.

>burgers being obsessed with a gun that everybody just pretends to like here because we're butthurt as fuck our defense industry has gone down the shit drain and we'll have to shoot foreign guns for the first time in history

>>30931447
Nope.
France will store them, then destroy them. It has ben their doctrine for military equipment since forever.
Why do you think french military equipment is so uncommon?

In 2000, France still had tens of thousands of pristine, unfired MAS 49/56 in arsenals. the next year, everything was destroyed.

>>30934530
>France
>Changing anything, especially laws

lyl

>>30931447
Last time they did that was with the MAS .223 they sold to Century. Could happen again, but they'll most likely give it to former colonial states that still maintain relations with them. Another way is to convert civillian .222 Remington civvie FAMAS to .223 and send them over here. Unfortunately the chances of each happening is unlikely due to out importation regulations and France's civillian exportation firearm laws. It's much cheaper for them to sell it to third world nations, destroy them or convert it for civillian users in their own country

>>30931766
>>30931675
If you get it, could it be possible to have local FFLs scan the dimensions of the rifle parts and reciever and make US reproductions from it?

>>30934600
All Mas rifles have been barred from importation by name since 1989 because they do not pass the "sporting porpoises" test

Source:
http://www.atf.gov/file/56351/download


The only way they can ever come into the us is in the form of chopped up kits.

>>30934605
Sorry to break your hopes but this is an extremely far fetched situation.

Reverse engineering is an extremely costly, possibly destructive and painstaking process that would be done by extremely experienced people. Not just "local ffl's".

It would be easier to just buy a license for production or find/buy the technical data package from MAS.

>>30931447
100% impossible, as France has ratified a UN treaty against the proliferation of small arms, all surplus is now systematically being destroyed.

>>30934681
>Semiautomatic Assualt Rifles
>Semiautomatic
>Assualt Rifles
What the bloody fuck? Isn't the 1968 Gun Control Act repealed under FOPA?

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>>30934742
Heck no, it just revised some of it and added some extra bullshit.

This "atf descision" is why century arms and other importers have to import and convert rifles back into proper rifles.

>>30934720
Or send the CAD info along with the composition of the metals used to somebody like Hill & Mac...since you know they are doing the whole repro thing with the STG44. Yea they probably wouldn't do an exact copy due to some legal BS but it would be close enough and good enough for me.

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>>30931447
Don't know why you'd want one though.

As a regular Famas user, I can testify that it's a piece of shit and I can't wait till the french army switches to the new H&K.

>>30936309
>CAD in the late 60's/early 70's being around when the famas was developed

I would bet you dollars to doughnuts the rifle was created and developed by old school tool and die guys.

HMG are Rollerlock and sheet metal guys. The famas is quite different and would be multiple times more expensive to manufacture.

>>30936421
Because it's exotic. If you aren't enlisted in the French military, you're staggeringly unlikely to ever see one, let alone handle or fire it. And if you're neither French nor American you're never, ever going to get close to one. So what if it's shit? It's rare.

>>30936421
You know how Europeans want their hands all over an AR? Same thing in America but switch AR with Euro guns

>>30936499
>>30936508
Everybody is free to join the french foreign legion, like I did, and you'll get to shoot it plenty. That is, try to shoot it because it fucking jams halfway through pretty much every charger.

>>30936448
No.

This, >>30931968 , >>30931863 , >>30934520

>>30936535
Ah, so you got a lemon? Our boys face the same thing as well. And by the time I'd join, the FAMAS would have been replaced. The only benefit I see from that would be EU citizenship, then again, I'd like to get the civie FAMAS. Then there's the shitty regulations and having it in .222 and not .223. Can France trade their civie FAMAS with EU memberstates?

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>>30936535
If I joined the FFL now it would be replaced by the time I got to even use it. Also spending $13,000 on a unicorn rifle is a lot more sensible than spending five years in some shithole the French government is unwilling to send 'real' French troops to. (Pic Related)

Also doesn't the FFL just get old, and used equipment from the regular army?

>>30936591
Usually they do send the legion in first with all the leftover materials. But my regiment is sort of elite within the Legion and we do get some of the top notch equipment and vehicules as sort of a field test before the regular army gets it.

>>30936560
The only manufacturer that has the capabilities to actually tackle a project like the famas would be SMGguns and they are already going out of business because no one is buying their FG42 repros.

>>30936621
If you don't mind me asking could I get a timestamp? If you are real I have some questions for you about the FFL.

>>30936591
Anyone got the "Someone brought in his sea snipper" one?I think it was Zimbabwe.

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>>30936669
Ask away buddy.

>>30936738
How difficult was the training? Also I don't know if you knew French before going in but was that hard to learn or cope with during training? Also finally I assume depending on how you do during training determines if you can get certain selections for certain roles? For example I kind of since high school always wanted to operate/command an ERC 90.

Thanks Legion bro if you answer any of these.

>>30936628
For the moment yes. But without data to make the product no one is ever going to be able to. Remember, the firearm at RIA right now needs NOTHING changed to be 100% legal in America. That work had already been done. All that is needed is the actual dimensions and rough material data and it can be made. By whom and for what price are questions for another day.

>>30934724

Damn you, France.

>>30936839
Basic training is pretty rough but not impossible. The single most important trait here is endurance. The first month is pretty brutal at what we call the 'farm' then follows three more months of pretty easy instruction. Afterwards you move to your regiments and that's where the real shit starts. We spend two months on the terrain with little sleep, lots of marches, no respect from superiors, working our asses off non-stop. There's lots of running and doing exactly as you're told while they treat you like dogs. If you choose the cavalry regiment though (the one with the ERC 10's) it's a lot easier though.
My french was pretty good before the legion so that was no problem for me. Lot's of guys got themselves into lots of trouble though because they just didn't learn it over time. But as long as you put in visible effort, they help you out.
Your best chance to work with the ERC 10 is to just keep mentioning you want to go to cavalry all throughout basic training.

>>30937005
Thank you. Have fun and good luck with the rest of your service.

>>30937057
Thanks, and if you're thinking of joining up, don't fucking do it during winter.

>>30937101
Will do...kinda sounds like there is a story behind that.

>>30937197
Well I did, and you haven't really known cold untill you're hosed down with cold water in the middle of the night, outside, mid winter, in your underpants.
I don't know if you're familiar with the traditional singing and marching in the legion. But if you don't do it right during instruction, they will progressively make you take off more clothes as you're singing and marching into the dark night.
Also, short days and long nights make tactical encampment training a fucking pain in the ass.

>>30937288
Yea...that sounds really shitty. Given my lack of being able to speak French I think the singing thing would be an issue. Also isn't the Legion training done in Africa if I am not mistaken? The more you talk about this the more I have questions lol, whats the pay like if you don't mind me asking?

>>30937338
> Also isn't the Legion training done in Africa if I am not mistaken?
Hasn't been the case since 1962.
>whats the pay like if you don't mind me asking
Not him, but it's exactly the same as any other soldier in the French army.
Count about €1300/month for a basic private.
However, I do believe he is in the 2nd REP, which get a nice boost to their pay because hurrr paratrooper.

>>30937338
Training is in the south of france and given that you allready speak english you'll cope fine with the french. There's people with far more exotic backgrounds who I've seen make it just fine.
The pay is normally between 1200-1300 euros a month, but you get payed substantially more when you're on mission, which you are going to be a lot.

>>30937378
I'm in 2eREI and if you count it all out we make about as much as the REP guys.

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>>30931968
>saving up a shitload of money for a gun that has a mediocre reputation
Why? I don't understand. It's like spending $10k on a semiauto Tec-9 or something.

>>30937588
>>30937605
Again thanks for the info. Haha yea there is nothing exotic about me, just a burger unable to join his own nations forces.

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>>30937667
Pic Related but replace the Fudd with an upstanding dindu and the battle for Berlin with French troops on deployment.

>>30937698
Yeah, we've got some of those here, if you're up for it, I don't see why you wuldn't make it.

>>30937588
Is French a mandatory requirement or is it a highly recommended option?

>>30937725
>historical value of a French weapon that didn't make a real impact in any significant conflict
Might as well get the Tec-9, dude.

>>30937776
>French foreign legion
>Is French required
Nope. Everyone speaks Japanese.

They throw you out if you can't learn French fast enough.

>>30937776
It's not at all required when you join up. Just make sure you learn it over time, which is doable enough. Even Japanese guys make it after a while.

>>30937798
>historical value of a French weapon that didn't make a real impact in any significant conflict
>Significant conflict
Boy are you wrong there.
>What is the 1982 Lebanon War
>What is the Gulf War
>What is the Bosnian War
>What is the Chad-Libyan War under Operation Manta
>What is Operation Serval and Barkhane in Mali under the War on Terror
>What is Afghanistan Coalition

>>30937851
>Significant impact
>Afghanistan, gulf, etc.
Nope. The French participated, but they didn't do a whole hell of a lot as far as grunt work goes.

>Mali
>relevant
Seriously man, you can just say you think the gun looks nifty. You really ought to reconsider blowing a suitcase full of Benjamins on a safe queen that you're getting just for looks.

>>30937884
>it's only relevant if I decide it is
Fuck off.

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>>30937667
>>30937884

>>30937884
>Implying I'm the guy buying it
I don't have the fucking money to incest that also:
>Mali
>Not relevant
Dude, the French were responsible for putting down Al-Qaeda from spreading their influence and control in North Africa. Also my argument wasn't significant impact, it was significant conflicts, I know well the French only participated and didn't do much in the coalitions.

>>30937942
It was a small conflict in a small country that few people in the western world actually give a shit about. The only "historically significant" thing about the FAMAS is that it was one of the first bullpups to be adopted by a major military power.

>>30937968
>incest
Meant invest, fucking auto correct

>>30931470
why? we get other eurotards old gats

>>30938436
Dis