Which American war saw the most gruesome fighting?

>>30915001
Vietnam.

Vietnam. No contest. They fought 2/3 days in the whole year.

Civil war.

Nothing like going to the doctor and seeing a bucket full of limbs.

>>30915034
>>30915043
Summerfags detected

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>>30915034
>>30915043
Doubt it. The jungle was probably downright comfy compared to marching headlong in to some canister shot.

>>30915001
WW1

>Poison Gas
>Almost endless Arty bombardments
>Mud, water, disease, lice, rats, etc

>>30915076
Was going to say WW1 instead of the Civil War, but OP said American war and we were way late to that party. Most of the really shitty stuff went down before we got there.

>>30915070
The civil war was a shit show. Old tactica meet new tech. Lines of men walking towards gatling guns and new and more accurate rifles. Repeating guns. The tactics used for hundreds of years made the men fish in a barrell, not to mention you can add the hell that is marching through all that just to engage in bloody melee. I don't think it can really be stated with words how fucking awful it was, or any war in general. God rest those men's souls, they were braver than us.

>>30915122
Toward the end of the war, modern tactics started to show up. Using barricades, covering fire, using calvary more as highly mobile infantry, the concept of total war, ect. Some trench warfare even showed up.
Historians like to call WW1 the first modern war but in reality it was the American civil war.

>>30915001
>typical fighting
civil war. lots of bigaas slugs going all over the place. lots of muddy, god awful bullshit fighting.
>worst single bit of fighting
ww1. nothing says life sucks like trying to pull your buddy through mud, made easier by the fact he has no legs weighing him down, no gas mask to keep out the chlorine, when you get caught between a few MG nests, intense rifle fire, mortars, and artillery bombardment.

>>30915070
this so much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7vsU8_bZn8

>>30915296
Yeah, but it remains that until tidbits of modern strategy showed up, tens of thousands of men died walking headfirst into fire. A truly gruesome affair. Regardless of people's differences, both sides of the Civil War had to be extremely noble to be able to face down death like that.

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>>30915001
Korea, all the push from the north to the Pusan permieter and back.

Imagine constant waves of infantry assaults by day and infiltration by night in an horrible place to fight by a fanatic enemy who is not going to give you quarter, or even a merciful execution if they capture you alive.

At least the vietcong gave you a lot of dull time, Korea was like the Khe Sanh siege and Hue battle, every day, for three years.

>>30915663
>Yeah, but it remains that until tidbits of modern strategy showed up, tens of thousands of men died walking headfirst into fire. A truly gruesome affair. Regardless of people's differences, both sides of the Civil War had to be extremely noble to be able to face down death like that.
>noble
Nah. It wasn't noble. it was because they'd be shot or hanged for cowardice if they didn't march out into fire, and the enemy might miss.

Civil War by a longshot


The worst hell we've ever unleashed was against our own.

>>30915001
'Nam or WW1, though we weren't in that one too long.

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>>30915001
>all of these people that don't know it's the Civil War

>>30915001
WW2.

The body count is literally the highest and the most WMDs were deployed in earnest. How is this a contest? Something like 3% of the entire world population was killed and fighting was seen in jungles, over water, in deserts and arctic conditions, cities, it was a true world war.

>WW1
>America only joins in 1917
>Most gruesome fighting

What's worse, being executed by a Viet or scalped by an Indian

>>30916323
>3%

lolno

>>30915001
irak 2.0 when in the invsdion's early weeks the doritos and pepsi supplies ran short

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>>30915001
>most gruesome fighting
We need to be more clear about terms here. By "most" do you mean the most volume, or the most intensity? Or perhaps a factor that multiplies volume x intensity?

>most volume of gruesomeness:
No question, it's the US Civil War. We have never lost that many men in a conflict again, and most casualties were gruesome in some way or another.

>most intensity of gruesomeness(ignoring volume):
That really comes down to "in which war was there the individual worst act of torture?". Nobody really knows the answer to that, because it's not published and studied widely. I nominate the race war, and cite the Knoxville Horrors as evidence.

>intensity x volume combined gruesome score:
Back to the Civil War again.

>>30916492
>doritos and pepsi
Slim Jims and Rip-Its, you summerkid

>>30915296
>Historians
Some of them, maybe. When I was in school, the ACW was considered more or less a modern war, alongside the Crimean War.

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>>30915001
World War II
Normandy Landing was absolutely gruesome.

>>30916323
American war anon. . .

>>30915122
It's funny because those same tactics made England lose the Revolutionary War, but the United States still used them.

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>>30915296
If you ever get a chance, visit Vicksburg. It's the best example of trench warfare during the ACW, and at one point two artillery batteries were less than 10 yards apart, lobbing bombs and canister shot back and forth at each other for days on end.
>one plaque is called, "The man who was blown to freedom,"
>Union Sappers blew up two saps under the ramparts of the fort
>in the second explosion, a group of slaves who were digging out the first blast were buried, but one man was blasted clear
>His name was Abraham, and legend has it a Union Captain picked the wounded man up and said, "You're free now son, behind Union lines. What are you going to do?"
>"Well mister, I believe I'll have a lie down"

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>>30915001
American Civil War

720,000 dead
>100,000 union
>520,000 Confederate

estimated to have had over 1,000,000 casaulties.

if you were in a limb the doctor either knocked you out with a hammer or gave you liquor then cut off that limb.

brothers fighting brothers

trench warfare

a three sided war between the north,south, and Indians.

The physical and economical of most of the country.

hands down, no contest.

>>30917657
MY goof

>if you were shot in the limb
and
>The physical and economical destruction of the country.

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>>30917657
Those numbers are all fucked up my man
>Union-664,928 total casualties
>Confederate -483,026 total casualties

>>30916331
>America joins war
>War ends
Cause and effect my friend

>>30917880
Casualties and dead are two different things also alot of info was lost or undocumented so most stats are estimated.

>>30915001
Civil war by far. The men who were not shot or torn apart by cannon fire while charging had to fight like dogs. I read somewhere that tear gas could have been used but I doubt that.

>>30917909
>War ending
>America joins

Cause and effect my friend.

>>30915001
The War on Drugs

>>30916513
Kys, faggot

>>30915001
Vietnam. Jungle, foreign territory, foreign culture, not being able to even see your enemy in many cases, booby traps, agent orange and most of all NOT even knowing or having a Reason to be fighting and risking your life.

>>30915070
It's evident that you have never been in the jungle.........

>>30915054
More like a pile of them being buried

>>30917587
I have some plans to do a bunch of battlefield tours with some friends of mine. The limiting factor is money for most of us.

>>30918659
>NOT even knowing or having a Reason to be fighting and risking your life.
Destroying communism was good enough for the volunteers of Vietnam who outnumbered the draftees at over 65% of active servicemembers according to veteran organizations.

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>>30915296
Historian weighing in, and it's definitely the Civil War. It's considered by the majority of us to be the first modern war for some of the reasons you listed, but chiefly because of the advent of modern rifling technology (and how it changed tactics) and later the first modern application of total war strategy. WWI was the first mechanized war that mixed mechanized ground and naval forces with air power. That entire war was 'total' from the onset and escalated when the Germans committed the first aerial bombing of London with their new enclosed bomber planes.

>>30917964
>casualties and dead are two different things
Yeah, in that era dead usually outweighed casualties due to the role of disease in killing more men than enemy action.

This was certainty the case in the US Civil War...

>>30918711
If what you say had any truth, they wouldn't have needed to call a draft to start of.

>>30918812
Didn't the Russian Campaign (Crimean War) happen before the ACW?

I wish there were good resources on it, just the sheer night and day difference of age of sail line of battle ships going ineffectively up against explosive shot from ironclad steamships.

>>30917587
>one point two artillery batteries were less than 10 yards apart
I find this very hard to believe.

>>30918818
no it wasnt, if you came down with sickness you would be considered a casualty. casualties always outweigh dead because deaths are counted as a casualties.

your just another dumb ass talking out of his ass.

>>30915001
Civil war or World War One id guess

>>30916439
Yes.

>>30917377
>imbly the US wasn't the major driving force in that war
>almost single handed took out japs
>gave Russia almost everything they had to put up a fight
>turned the west European front upside down