One of the best prop fighters if the Second World War

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>>30902534
Literally who

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One of the best prop fighters if the Second World War

>>30902534
Yes, it was a brillant design. a shame it never really got its chance to shine.

>>30902562
>>30902534

Two of the prettiest, that is for sure

>>30902558
Saggittarios and Centauros could handle Spitfires and Mustangs no problem

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Also relevant

>>30902562
I love the way it looks. One of my favs.

>>30902534
perhaps a more accurate summary would be "one of the potential best".

given it performed brilliantly, but that's not a lot of use if you're unable to actually produce more than a handful. its a bit like North Korea building the Ying-tong-iddle-i-po fighter jet that totally outclasses the f22... but only being able to build two of them.

>>30902562
Very popular in Russia apparently. The 37mm canon must have been pretty nice against armor.

>>30902873
Wasn't used for that job.

>>30902562
>One of the best
>So bad that we had to offload them onto the Russians, who were so accustomed to shit that they slurped it down greedily
>Goes into irrecoverable flat spins all the time

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>>30902534
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggiane_Re.2005

It's not a prop OP you fucking retard it's an actual fighter from WW2

>>30902562
So great the American pilots who got stuck with them would """accidentally""" land them too hard so they could get replacements.

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>>30902733
Maybe

If they hadn't had Italian pilots.

>>30902562
Popular in russia, but wasn't it fairly dangerous to fly due to tendency to get in unrecoverable stalls, which were caused by the strange engine mounting.

>>30903060
eternal anglo cheking in
>If they hadn't had Italian pilots.
literal meme tier bait>>30903026
>>30903026
not sure if you are trolling or just autistic
prop is short for propeller, meanig this plane runs on a piston engine and not a jet engine

>>30903134
The first ever spaghettiboo. Interesting.

Daily reminder, the only people that did worse than the Ities in WW2 was no one.

>>30903015
At low altitudes it was quite a nimble machine after some modifications, so it was perfectly suited to the air war on the Eastern front

>>30903148
Im not any kind of boo but your statement was just ignorant and arrogant, end of story.
>Daily reminder, the only people that did worse than the Ities in WW2 was no one.
Not necessarily true,as Italy was unprepared for ww2 and still managed to have its moments
Not only Britain has a flawless military record when shitty massive failures are tagged as heroic victories, amirite
Btw they are making a movie about that clusterfuck of operation that was Dunkirk

>>30902983
Medium tanks =/= all armor

>>30903043
>Things that never happened

All accounts describe the P-39 as one of most agreeable flying planes in service the time.

>>30903230
Name one moment.

>>30903148

Arguably they contributed more than the French, by dint of lasting more than 6 weeks.

>>30903535
Fall of Singapore

>>30902558
>Typhoon in BoB colors
Muh. Dik.

>>30903535
When the Italian navy frogmen blew up british ships in Alexandria
this is just one, as asked

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>>30903472
No, like the P-39 wasn't used for ground attack. Free Hunters might have attacked the occasional target of opportunity, but P-39s were exclusively deployed to fighter squadons, and IIRC no armor-piercing ammo for the 37mm cannon was ever supplied under Lend Lease.

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Don't mind me. Just the best prop fighter flying through this thread.

>>30903696
That's not a De Havilland Hornet.

>>30903655
Fair enough.

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>>30903651
Have a Hornet.

>>30902733
>Saggittarios and Centauros could handle Spitfires and Mustangs no problem


>One of the few examples of combat reports, dated 11 July 1943, seems to contradict Minguzzi's statement, when together with other Italian fighters, Eugenio Salvi's Re.2005 fought against Spitfires over Sicily. A Spitfire Mk V latched onto the tail of Salvi's Re.2005. Salvi tried all the tricks he knew: dives, tight turns, climbs, but the Spitfire remained steadily attached to his tail following every move, and then opened fire. Salvi's Re.2005 was struck by many bullets, and Salvi was sure he was going to be killed when the Spitfire just as suddenly vanished, possibly out of ammunition. Fuel levels and pilots skill probably were the deciding factor in this incident.

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>>30903899
Witnessed, thanks famalam.

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What are you pussies going on about?

>>30903696
not even the best American fighter.

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>>30902558
The most interesting thing about this photo is where they were not allowed to paint for fear of hurting the RAM coatings and radar transparent areas.

The Radar dome is the obvious example. The the leading edges and intakes with their RAM coating is the next most obious.

Then there's the RWR on the tail fin and next to the engine exausts 0for tail approach missiles.

Finally there's smaller patches on the wing mounted decoy pods.

People often overlook the fact that Typhoon has a smaller frontal RCS than B2. Much of this is due to size it must be said.

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step aside friendos

:^)

>>30903934
Correct answer, although I would accept any P-47.

>>30903926
sure
100% believable

>>30902832
>north Korea
>building anything better than the US

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>>30903148
pastaboos exist, I'm level 4 on this chart.

>>30904428
dux nobis
kek

>>30903148
france folded in a month.
Britain literally would've simply perished had US not been willing to spend an infinite amount of american money to keep britain from collapsing.

Russia would've folded back into rural peasants without trillions of dollars worth of every type of supply and the western front having depleted German air and occupying a large amount of german ground forces in defense. Oh, and British/Polish intelligence agencies decoding German secret communications and warning russia ahead of time exactly where and when Germans would strike them so they could set up fields of mines and artillery at those specific locations.

Had it been a simple 1v1, every allied country except for U.S. would've got their shit pushed so far in their asshole that they needed teeth whitener.
But no, somehow it's italy (who didn't get trillions of dollars of hardware from someone else) who is bad.
Vodka farmers are heroic, CYKA BLYAT

>>30905031
>trillions of dollars worth of every type of supply
US GDP was 1.5 to 2 trillion dollars in early 1940s. US most assuredly did not give trillions of dollars worth of anything to anyone.
Through middle of 1943, US had given $11 billion in total lendlease or magnitudes less than trillions of dollars worth.

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who /fast/ here

>>30903695
Doesn't mean they didn't use it for that.

"Officially" the P-63 was never flown in combat, yet those P-39s would be flying much higher than intended...

>>30902562
>one of the best
>didn't perform well as a high altitude fighter, its intended purpose
>37mm canon would fill the cockpit with fumes

Average sure but not one of the best

>>30903696

>Never saw combat in US service

Nice meme burgerlard

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>>30905031
>Britain literally would've simply perished had US not been willing to spend an infinite amount of american money to keep britain from collapsing.

Funny how the UK had beaten Germany in the air, at sea and on land before the Americans even began sending war materials. Also most of the UK's lend lease came from Canada. The stuff we did get from america was paid for either in services or territory.

The UK was the most technologically advanced nation of WW2, we outproduced Germany from early 1941 onward . Despite our ship building focus moving to escorts and convoys it took until 1944 for the US navy to achieve parity with the RN. We fought in WW2 for longer than any other nation and on more fronts than any other nation.

The British Empire literally destroyed itself to put and end to German expansionism and to lesser extent Japan.

And unlike the Russians we didn't use it as an excuse to abuse our citizens, and unlike the Americans we didn't make 200 movies about how great we were.

Yet people completely disregard the UK because we asked for nothing in return. Very few people outside of the UK even understand our involvement and how integral the UK was to winning WW2. They use modern stereotypes and assume the UK was irrelevant and did not play a part.

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>>30903134
Might of been meme tier but I still caught some (You)s from it

>>30905186
>Funny how the UK had beaten Germany in the air, at sea and on land before the Americans even began sending war materials

No.
Land- Being thrown back across France and leaving everything on the beaches of Dunkirk except the rifles your men held onto is not winning.
Sea- The UK was being strangled economically in the Battle of the Atlantic until 1943.
Air- They won the Battle of Britain, true, but that was a purely defensive battle and won at tremendous cost to British men and material.

Nice try, Britbong.

>>30905186
>UK was irrelevant and did not play a part.

Well you did turn a German-Polish border dispute into a world war...

This is the best prop video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cx6V0QAVEU

>>30903026
Thank you, Based A-10!

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WHISTLING
DEATH

>>30905183
You are an imbecile

>>30905171
A it was not intended as a high altitude fighter, which is why it had the engine that it did
B source on the smoke.

>>30905186
>>Britain literally would've simply perished had US not been willing to spend an infinite amount of american money to keep britain from collapsing.

>The British Empire literally destroyed itself to put and end to German expansionism and to lesser extent Japan.

Pick one.

>>30905088
Adjust for inflation buddy.

>>30905186
Britain was weeks from collapsing before US entered the war.
Sure it received lend lease from canada and such but ze germans were sinking more ships than anyone could build. Barely any supplies got to britan.
Sure britain held out admirably and didn't act like a beggar for lend lease like Russia did, but still it came close to collapse. Frighteningly close, like a few weeks away from it.

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>>30905138
Except, unlike the P-63s being used over Europe, there's no real evidence for the P-39 being used for ground attack as part of operational practice. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, you can't just spew the "muh unreliable Soviet records" meme as proof.

>>30905812
P39s were used for ground attack in the pacific with the AAF. In Europe (Russian lend-lease), the Russians received HE rounds for the M4 cannon, so there was no tank busting.

>>30905812
>Airacobras used by the Soviets as ground attack aircraft is just a meme
Nigga I work at an air museum and it's common fucking knowledge that the Soviets used the cannon on the damn thing against tanks.

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>>30905918
You are retarded. The 37mm is much too low velocity to penetrate any sort of tank armor, and no AP rounds were provided. Stop spewing bullshit.

>>30905918
Refer to >>30905938 and >>30905914

>>30905938
There's a massive fucking cannon in the fucking nosecone. It's at least a 70mm. I see the damn thing three days a week.

>>30903988
>People often overlook the fact that Typhoon has a smaller frontal RCS than B2. Much of this is due to size it must be said.
I'd love a source on this, which actual wavelengths from different aspects. I know for damn sure the B-2 presents a much smaller all-aspect return in L-Band.

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>>30903696
N1K > F8F

I know that burger/bong pride is prevalent here, but the N1K series of fighters was excellent, although it arrived too late.

>>30903988
>People often overlook the fact that Typhoon has a smaller frontal RCS than B2. Much of this is due to size it must be said.
In what frequency bands? With what munitions on board?

I'm calling bullshit on any combat loaded Typhoon having a better RCS than the B-2 in any wavelength band.

>>30905812
Tell me where I said official, dipshit.

>>30905502
All true except:
>Sea- The UK was being strangled economically in the Battle of the Atlantic until 1943.
It's a common mistake to believe that the U-boats, aside from May '42 or November '42, had any real significant effects on Atlantic shipping. Over the course of the war, over 99% of allied shipping competed safe harbor-harbor transatlantic transits.

>>30905978
I didnt know the museum did social outreach programs to help the mentally handicapped. Tell me, do they have an in-house tard-wrangler, or did you have to bring your own?

>>30906061
>"combat flaps" can compensate for being built out of balsa wood and not having self-sealing fuel tanks
>"almost match in a fight" is the same thing as "superior"
ok

>>30902873
That was due to a mistranslation of the types of units they were assigned to. Russians called them something like low level attack squadrons which sound ground attack but actually meant something along the line of low altitude fighter squadrons.

>>30905809
>Britain was weeks from collapsing before the US entered the war.

Citation needed

>Sure it received lend-lease from Canada and such but ze germans were sinking more ships than anyone could build.

We were sinking U-boats faster than the germans could build them - and we had more ships than they had U-boats

>Barely any supplies got to Britain.

The majority of ships reached the UK. You're implying that more than half of each convoy was sunk - don't be stupid.

>>30905502
>Land- Being thrown back across France and leaving everything on the beaches of Dunkirk except the rifles your men held onto is not winning.

>where is Africa

>Sea- The UK was being strangled economically in the Battle of the Atlantic until 1943.

No. And where were the Germany ant Italian navies?

>Air- They won the Battle of Britain, true, but that was a purely defensive battle and won at tremendous cost to British men and material.

The axis never gained air superiority over the central Mediterranean, north sea or English channel. The Commonwealth had air superiority over Africa for much of the campaign. The UK's strategic bombing campaign was many times more effective than the Germans.

Also there was hardly a tremendous cost for the battle of Britain. We killed more aircrew than the Germans while we had a greater recruitment and recovery rate. We destroyed more aircraft than than the Germans - while out producing them. (if you exclude aircraft that were destroyed on the ground then the exchange rate becomes stupidly favourable to the UK)

>>30905809
>Barely any supplies got to britan.
Is that how people say 90% of supplies got to Britain nowadays?

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>>30906086
Where did I say anything about that? The closest you're going to find for any ground attack use of the P-39 by the VVS would be with Free Hunters, which were just patrolling around for targets of opportunity.

The plane i posted was used by few valiant pilots over the skies of Sicily, against waves of B24 Liberators whose objective was to kill civilians
A scenario the Germans and the Japanese experienced as well
Honor and Glory to all the brave souls who flew towards almost certain death in the skies of Europe and Japan

>>30906736
>against waves of B24 Liberators whose objective was to kill civilians
Holy shit, spaghetti. Laying it on a bit thick there, aren't you?

>>30907251
who says i am a speghetti kek
and that's completely true nigger,

>>30907342
>cripple production while specifically targeting industrial production facilities plus any military targets like airfields or command facilities
>just kill civilians indiscriminately
Totally the same thing.

Go fuck yourself, you ignorant fuckpuddle.

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>>30905748

>USIDF talks about their best prop
>THEY NEVER USED IT IN COMBAT

Loving every laugh

How many airkills do your F8F pilots have huh

That's right, less than the fucking He 162

>>30902873
iirc most 37mm's got field modded out with 20mm ShVAK's replacing, much like they also removed the wing guns as they were only 7.62 and they wanted more roll.
>>30903472
the center of gravity was behind the wings and was known to auger out from heavy stick movements.

>>30906104
November '42 ends one month before 1943. So there is no contradiction your both statements.

>>30905186
LMAO butt-blasted britbong has no idea about history.

Jerries had everyone beat in terms of air engineering (Brits had jet engines a little earlier, but they sucked). Jerries had everyone beat in stationary defense and air cover, but had little to no long-distance bomber/fighter capability (remember, they had no need for them). Jerries had a tremendous presence in the Atlantic, and good intelligence on Allied shipping lanes. However, Jerries took too much land in their initial push, and didn't have enough men and materiel to defend it.

Soviets had moderately good tanks with big enough calibers to fuck up everything they fought, and they had enough of them to drown the Jerries in corpses. They also had a mediocre airforce, but won their battles with numbers more than anything. The one advantage they had going for them was land. It's 1500 km from Berlin to Stalingrad, 1500 km of a continuous supply train to be maintained. And they needed to guard it, because the Soviets were dangerous, launching raids all the damn time.

The extent of British involvement in WWII was escalating a border dispute between the Poles and Germans to the point of war, then got BTFO at Dunkirk. Brits only won BoB b/c German high command was unwilling to waste more bombers on fanatical lunatics; their objective had already been completed, British civilians knew how toothless their military was at defending them. The same objective was completed by the V1 and V2 program, however limited it was time-wise. Credit where credit is due, the Royal Navy performed incredibly, considering it's profound lack of resources; successfully fighting the German navy, sinking their largest battleships, and bloodying the nose of the U-boat service (after tremendous losses). However, the German stranglehold on their supply lines was crushing, and they Brits were in all honesty weeks away from capitulation had the Amerifats not punched through and resupplied them.

>>30907657
>iirc most 37mm's got field modded out with 20mm ShVAK's replacing
Nope. Pretty much all soviet Cobras pilots leaving memoirs talk about 37mm cannons on their planes.

>>30908169

>cont. from above

Americans were latecomers to the war, and had a staunch isolationist policy in the early years of the conflict; they had only recently emerged from the horrors of the first world war, and the public was completely uninterested in entering another conflict. They were also still recovering from the Depression, the Dustbowl, and a general loss of spirit. On the plus side, their manufacturing capacities were untouched by the hell that was engulfing the rest of the planet, and like the Soviets, they had an enormous pool of peasant labour they could exploit as cannon fodder. Once they were finished reeling from Pearl Harbor, they jumped into the conflict with both feet and were more than eager to resupply the British.

Japs murdered civilians en-masse and raped and pillaged their way through Chinese peasants. Their air force and navy were excellent, but didn't have the raw numbers to match any real show of force. However, just like the Brits, the Japs had a fanatical military and citizenry, who were more than willing to dig in and fight to the last man for every hill and rock on the islands they did hold.

>>30908141
No. Literally those two months were the only time Uboats had a significant effect on transatlantic trade during WWII. Two months. Out of 6 years. Not very fucking bueno.

It certainly doesn't fit a narrative of Britain being "strangled".

>>30908169
>>30908201
I can't tell if this whole post is bait or just someone who completely swallowed the /k/ and history channel memes.

>>30902562
Except that it wasn't.

Fun fact, Russian pilots were scored kills flying American aircraft were withheld air medals because they weren't flying a Russian aircraft

>>30905186
>The British Empire literally destroyed itself
Thanks for all those naval/air bases on little islands around the world. They're just dandy for projecting power around the world. Anyway gtg, I have world hegemon business to attend to

>>30905918
That's actually a myth. The Russians liked the cannon on the 39 because the Russians faced so many German bombers, where in canons come in handy to shoot down

>manufactured in italy
>one of the best of anything

OP, drink a mixture of bleach and ammonia at your earliest convenience.

you do understand that shit made in italy is made by italians, right?

>>30908326
supreme bait. Currently waiting for OP to respond.

>>30908169
>he same objective was completed by the V1 and V2 program, however limited it was time-wise.
Brits killed 20 times more civilians in Dresden raid than V2 rockets did in the whole war.

>>30908201
>Their air force and navy were excellent, but didn't have the raw numbers to match any real show of force.
Actually the only times their air force did anything of note was when they outnumbered their enemy 10:1 or so.

>>30908779
More people died making the V2 than the rockets did.

>>30905545
>>30908169
>The extent of British involvement in WWII was escalating a border dispute between the Poles and Germans to the point of war,
Gonna need a source for the "border dispute" part.

>then got BTFO at Dunkirk.
One of the most successful military evacuations of history? I wouldn't call that BTFO by any means. Are you just being facetious because LOL BRITBONGS?

>Brits only won BoB b/c German high command was unwilling to waste more bombers on fanatical lunatics; their objective had already been completed, British civilians knew how toothless their military was at defending them.

Contradictory statement. The Luftwaffe's objective was to destroy the RAF and claim air superiority. They failed to do so entirely. First you say that the Luftwaffe completed their objective and the RAF was "toothless". Then, you go off and say that they were wasting "more bombers on fanatical lunatics", which implies that they failed to accomplish their objective. The targeting on industrial centers and civilians in the Blitz allowed for a major resurgence of the RAF, and the Luftwaffe got BTFO. Moving on.

>Credit where credit is due, the Royal Navy performed incredibly, considering it's profound lack of resources; successfully fighting the German navy, sinking their largest battleships, and bloodying the nose of the U-boat service (after tremendous losses).
I'll give you that.

>However, the German stranglehold on their supply lines was crushing, and they Brits were in all honesty weeks away from capitulation had the Amerifats not punched through and resupplied them.
Gonna need a source again senpai.

>>30906112
Topkek.

>>30905186
>Funny how the UK had beaten Germany in the air

Yet JG26 and JG2 routinely dominated during Circus missions.

>>30905502
>The UK was being strangled economically in the Battle of the Atlantic until 1943.
AHAHAHAA

The record of tonnage sunk by submarines was done in 1942. What's interesting is that between 1940 and the end of 1941 it started to drop because of British convoy system.

And then US joined the war. Thought they don't have to use convoys because U-boots can't reach them. At least they learned quickly.

Submarines as commerce raiders are overrated in general. They are dangerous if you don't protect against them, but other than that they were mostly good for killing their own crew.

>>30902562
>best prop fighter
>Given to Russians because neither the US nor the British wanted it.
>Russians use it in a ground attack role

>>30906126
Burn level: Japanese aircraft.

>>30911116
"Soviet pilots appreciated the cannon-armed P-39 primarily for its air-to-air capability. A common Western misconception is that the Bell fighters were used as ground attack aircraft. This is because the Soviet term for the mission of the P-39, prikrytiye sukhoputnykh voysk (coverage of ground forces) is commonly translated ground support, which is often taken to mean close air support. In Soviet usage, it has a broader meaning. Soviet-operated P-39s did make strafing attacks, but it was "never a primary mission or strong suit for this aircraft""

>>30906276

>Africa
>The same campaign where Germany committed no more then half a dozen divisions, because their entire focus was directed at the east, whereas it was the only place for the entire British Army could deploy their forces at.

hahahahaha

>>30902562
it would have been one of the most misleading

>lol look at this car door, neat!
>ultra modern tri cycle undercarriage for easy landing / taxiing
>FUCK YES A 37MM CANNON?!
>actually start flying
>center of gravity is fucking awkward
>can't hit shit with the cannon
>cannon just jams after first shot - fuck.
>ass is numb from engine vibration...because you're sitting on it
>BANDITS...EVASIVE MANEUVERS!
>AH FUCK THIS THING FALLS OUT OF THE SKY IF YOU BARELY STALL IT....FUUUUUUUUUCCCKKK
>hey at least this door is easy to jump out of!

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>tfw no CAS plane armed with a 75mm gun

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>>30911515
But we do have that. Except with 105mm.

>>30906112
oh, i be laffin

>>30911419
>>ass is numb from engine vibration...because you're sitting on it

The engine was behind the pilot you clueless fuckhead.

>>30911124
I love japanese aircraft and i must say, that's a clever fucking joke.

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>>30903730
Mah negro.

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>>30903651
Here's one with invasion stripes.

>>30902558
They should literally always paint the Typhoon in this color. It looks so much better.

>>30908489
arrogant faggot

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>>30913208
indeed

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>>30905186
>The UK was the most technologically advanced nation of WW2
>Implying

>>30914073
>one area of technology and/or a handful of low-production wunderwaffles means a higher operational technology level overall

While I would personally assign the most overall technologically advanced nation status to the US for WWII overall, even GB was more advanced during all but the beginning of the war than Germany. Look at the critical war-winning technologies of WWII:
>radar
>cryptology
>naval aviation
>strategic bombers and long range bomber escorts
>air superiority over the immediate battlespace
>sea control
>logistics across the board
In all of these, the UK held a substantial lead over Germany if you average for the whole war. Early on, several areas were close to parity but by 1943, the advantage was heavily to the UK and doing nothing but widening.

>>30914073
UK had a jet before Germany, the German jet had a more practical engine.

>>30914073
The Schwalbe was neat and all, but it was literally outclassed in everyday by the latest model P-51's coming into service.

>>30914176
>practical
Wont really call an engine that eats its own turbine blades after 12 hours "practical"

>>30911076
>U-Boots can't reach them
Ships were sunk in the Gulf of Mexico.

>>30908432
Not true. Highest Russian aces were flying the P-39.

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Best prop coming through...

>>30905031

Ahaha.

Let's start.

Italy was essentially a rural country with a mostly illiterate population: its army was rather badly equipped for its resources, and everything was outdated. We are not talking about "theoretical" army plans or the dreams of some generals or writers (we can't deny that some Italians officers had realized how warfare would change, but they were mostly ignored). Italian small arms were mostly bad, support weapons were horribly inefficient: logistics were poor. Tank production was messy and they started planning something else than low-range tankettes in the late '30. The Air arm had some nice designs, crippled by shitty industrial production, terrible engines and a peculiar mania to "undergun" everything. Training was adequate, but slow and resistant to evolution. The Navy had some nice ships, but they were outdated, lacked some essential tech advances (night fighting and radar) and the doctrine was horrendous.

Yet, despite decades of English propaganda, we should not forget that the Italian soldier was often a good soldier, and "enjoyed" a logistical situation that only the Soviets could endure (ya know that the soldiers in the frontlines in North Africa kept fighting with no downtime for months? With no reserves or rest?). Furthermore, despite the truly iffy story of the occupation of Yugoslavia, the Italian soldier was considerably more "civilized" than the German one. Like the Rumanians, funnily enough. Italian "elite" units were even adequate, and often fought well.

So, we have a country with good infantry and little else, like everyone bar the major powers. But then we have the leadership. Italian leadership was between the painfully bad and the borderline hilarious. Someone has to be Italian or to know Italian to read and to laugh at their planning and ther ideas. Sure, the Fascist regime did not help, being prone to promote yes-men and to enslave everything to propaganda. The Greek war is the golden example.

Enuff?

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>>30902534
>One of the best prop fighters ever
ftfy

Pic related wins first prize in looks.

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>>30915024
>Designed to fight at high altitudes
>Fights at low altitudes

>>30903535
Bir El Gubi ...

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>>30915023

>"The Italian command was, for the most part, not equal to the task of carrying on war in the desert, where the requirement was lightning decision followed by immediate action. The training of the Italian infantryman fell far short of the standard required by modern warfare. Particularly harmful was the all pervading differentiation between officer and man. While the men had to make shift without field-kitchens, the officers, or many of them, refused adamantly to forgo their several course meals. Many officers, again, considered it unnecessary to put in an appearance during battle and thus set the men an example. All in all, therefore, it was small wonder that the Italian soldier, who incidentally was extraordinarily modest in his needs, developed a feeling of inferiority which accounted for his occasional failure and moments of crisis. There was no foreseeable hope of a change for the better in any of these matters, although many of the bigger men among the Italian officers were making sincere efforts in that direction. " -Erwin Rommel

>>30914073
>What is the Gloster Meteor

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>>30914994
>*WW2

>>30903026
dank u bus a-10

>>30903026
Thanks a10

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>>30903026

Son I am proud of you. Truly your BRRRRRRRRRRRRRT is as physiologically disturbing as my mrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAHHHHH

>>30916477

psychological. spellcheck you son of a bitch...

>>30903926
>Fuel levels and pilots skill probably were the deciding factor in this incident.
The story doesn't prove anything.

>>30915575
Rommel was hated by the Italians, both the common soldiers and officers, because of the way he treated them.

>>30917150
How did he treat them?

>>30917186

Like they were Italians.

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>>30917226
Fucking tip top kek. Best post of thread.

Rommel actually tried to influence Italian command and officers to act more like military professionals (see >>30915575) but he was pretty unsuccessful and reviled for his efforts (see: guido pride). He didn't have much interaction with Italian enlisted/conscripted.

>>30913826
Shouldn't the monocle be on the canopy or sensor head, rather than the canard?

>>30908169
>Brits had jet engines a little earlier, but they sucked).
german engines were inferior, the average lifespan of a german jet engine was 25 hours the british lasted far far longer.

>Brits only won BoB b/c German high command was unwilling to waste more bombers on fanatical lunatics; their objective had already been completed, British civilians knew how toothless their military was at defending them
germans lost BoB because they had no idea how the fuck to defeat the RAFs combination of well coordinated defensive fighters, radar, superior fighters, superior production rates and superior pilot replacement rates and literally couldnt kill the RAf faster than it could reinforce, even before switching to cities. the battle of britain was a clear tactical, operational and strategic defeat.

as for the idea of britains population thinking the military was toothless, they knew that it was both winning the air war and fighting in other theatres

the britisg were never weeks away from capitulating either, firstly because we knew we could if needed supply our own food needs and secondly because the war materials supply situation was never that desperate, at the same time as we were supposedly weeks from capitualting we were sending large convoys through to malta knowing that much of what was sent would be lost and sending lend lease equipment to russia by the boat load hardly suggesting supply was that critical of a issue

>>30914073
later into squadron service than the meteor (earlier first flight but first flight=/=service) shit engines, wing sweep to slight for significant aerodynamic improvement, was designed with straight wings, the wings being swept to move the engine pods back a little and thus improve the center of gravity.

it also had worse radar than the british, indeed the ECM battle was won handily by the british who made massive advances in radar relative to the germans (and indeed the americans although the americans were given the tech and ran with it)

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Soviets built the best planes of the war and had 0(zero) outside help

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>>30906112
>Instead of giving some statistics or records in my rebuttal, I'll call him a retard! Then he'll shut up!
>MFW
>>30908454
Y'know, that actually sounds familiar. Maybe I am wrong and that's what they used it for.

>>30918233

>the british lasted far far longer.

The British also were of a concept that isn't in use today, unlike that of the Jumos.

Plus, this wasn't a problem with the know-how but with a shortage in heat-resistant alloys.

>>30903026
Thank you based a10

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>>30903026
Thank you obsolete A-10

>>30905186
Nobody going to say anything about the file name?

>>30918573
>No brrrt
No thank you.

>>30914631
I think that post went over your head

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>>30914073

>>30919216
Not hard for that to happen when you're in a P-39.

>>30911515
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEek5IvGYKg

bumping it up

>>30914176
Nah, it simply operated in its own airspace.

Early jet engines, outside of having very short life had also gigantic fuel consumption and all early jet fighters suffered from low range. Low-range interceptor wasn't something RAF desperately needed by the time it appeared.

>>30915023
>Italian small arms were mostly bad
Only LMG's really. SMG's and rifles were good.

>>30918573
Too bad Trump will cancel this project once he wins :^)

It angers me that my grandfather was given a spitfire and photos signed by the engineers who designed them. He sold it all in the 60s for pennies.

Kept the tank and half track though

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Damned faggots everywhere I look with their forward firing guns.

Step aside. Turret fighter coming through.

One of my guitars is designed as homage to the spitfire.

Spit is gorgeous

>>30918471
>>Instead of giving some statistics or records in my rebuttal, I'll call him a retard! Then he'll shut up!
Not him, but:
>Giving statistics
>To a guy who thinks the M4 cannon on a P-39 is "at least 70mm" because "he seen'it!"

>MFW he says shit like this, claims to be working at a museum and still expects not to be ridiculed when talking out of his ass.

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Two great British designs

Spitfire and P-51

>>30923087
>North American Aviation
>British

Even still you were left with American made Packard Merlins powering it later on...

>>30923533

The designer of the Mustang was a German btw

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>>30902534
too little, too less, too late

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>>30923935
>too little, too less,

>>30923672
>Edgar O. (Ed) Schmued
>Edgar embarked early on a rigorous program of self-study to become an engineer, and later served an apprenticeship in a small engine factory. He also designed several innovative engine components for which he received patents. In his spare time, he continued the self-study of aviation. Schmued left his native Bavaria for Brazil in 1925, seven years after World War I had shattered the German economy. His experience in Germany led to employment with the General Aviation, the air branch of General Motors Corporation in Brazil. In 1931, he was sponsored to move to the United States through his excellent work for General Motors in Brazil (immigration rules were extremely strict at that time - he was one of 794 people admitted in the quota) and went straight to work for Fokker Aircraft Corporation of America, which was an aircraft company that was owned by General Motors and based in New Jersey.There he began his career as an aircraft design engineer. General Motors later sold its air arm and it became the forerunner of North American Aviation.

Don't act like Germany gave him anything but a basic education.

>>30905186
Those are weird looking Shermans

>>30919525
This is not the "WWII war film voice" that I asked for.

>>30917273
>Fucking tip top kek. Best post of thread
anglo lord lmao

>>30902846
/Thread

>>30903026
Thank you based a10

>>30919235
what book is that?

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>>30902534
One of the best prop fighters if the Second World War didn't end it's development.

>>30924189

>Basic education
>Already got employed at General Aviation for his knowledge

Nice meme Amerilard

>>30926819
Reading comprehension, dipshit. He was self-taught in engineering.

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>>30926873

And still a German at that time

>>30902846
>goes above 3km
>dies