2003 Iraq

>>30785831
If they couldn't hold out in 1991.

The fuck makes you think after 12 years of economic stagnation and infrastructure rebuilding they could've held out again.

>>30785836

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>>30785831
>implying they didn't

>>30785831

Retreat all forces into the cities. Americans can't into urban warfare.

>>30785965
>Baghdad sacked thoroughly
You what?

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>>30785965
we perfected it about 70 years ago

>>30785831
having wmds

Plant lots of trees before the war started

>>30785965
Compared to Russkies, Americans are world fucking champions at urban combat.

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>>30785831
We not only held out we drove the imperialist crusaders from our lands, we didn't even have to fight that hard since the yanks were committing mass suicides

Do you seriously believe everything you watch on CNN komrade? Saddam is still supreme ruler of the Iraqi republic

>>30786183
so the artillery crews have some shade?

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>>30786200
I prefer Russia's method better tho, WWII levels of destruction

>>30786252
vietnam joke

>>30785908
>Implying they did
If an military literally destroys every worthwhile asset you have overnight and are rolling tanks in your capital city within a week; yeah, they didn't hold out you retard.

The insurgency afterwards was not a military victory. 3/4 of the people fighting against the coalition in Iraq were not Iraqis you scrub.

Iraq fell in literally hours, then we baited every jihadi we could from the region into the country so we could kill as many as possible. Then politics took over like every occupation and we stuck around policing and getting hit and run for years.

Let's not pretend the US has gone total war since WW2, because they haven't.

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>>30785965
>Retreat all forces into the cities.

Well you're wrong!
Those cities would have been renovated into dead nigger storage quicker than you can snackbar.

Lets go!

>>30785831

Yes. If they were somebody else, somewhere else, at a different time.

>>30785965

Er... That's exactly what they did in 2003 and they got their shit kicked in.

The only hope Iraq had in 2003 was a bloody initial battle to hopefully make a Coalition that had limited public support for war and was squeamish about casualties wobble and backtrack. They should have massed all their military in deep defence immediately around the Kuwaiti border then launched a massive artillery strike the instant it hit midnight on D-Day. Like North Korea bombarding Seoul it would result in the military getting destroyed shortly afterwards, but that's what happened anyway and this way you get horrified newspapers about Coalition deaths the next day which turn an already-reluctant public off altogether.

>>30785831
They might have lasted longer if Saddam hadn't ordered his airforce to bury their best fighters out in the desert.

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>>30786396
Problem is by 2003 the use of satellites and limited use of drones for real time intelligence was already in swing. If they massed units near the border we would have had air on them like flies on shit before they could launch anything coordinated. I'll agree though, that's about the only chance in hell they could have had.

Thing is, despite their popular coverage in the Gulf War, we kicked their shit in using a majority dumb fire ordnance, lots left over from Vietnam. Iraqis didn't progress much at all technologically from that time, they didn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against the shit we brought to bear in 2003.

deep in your heart, you know saddam was right.

>>30786313
> then we baited every jihadi we could from the region
How exactly did you bait them in ?>>30786492
He died saying shahada.

Semi-related, are any of the vehicles from the Highway of Death still there?

>>30786434
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1992/KRL.htm

They got fucked without a hope because Russia was not giving them tech support once the conflict started.

Lesson: If you buy jets, buy people smart enough to manage them too.

>>30786274
Israel-Arab war joke

>>30786313
>2016
>still believes the flypaper theory
>quotes a completely fabricated, politically motivated fraction of foreigners to justify said bullshit theory

topkek

>total war
>it's not the US government's fault that a war of their choosing was limited by political limitations of their choosing and therefore their own stated political goals of the war became impossible to achieve!

inb4 military and political are different things, as if the strategic planning and decision-making isn't the domain of the pentagon

>>30785831
Actually having WMDs

>>30787619
This. In for a penny, in for a sarin laced pound

Saddam could have made a contribution to the Clinton Foundation.

>>30787619
They did though.
>inb4 chemical weapons arent WMDs

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>>30785976
>urban warfare
>>30785976
>perfected

Because we always needs more glass parking lots....

>>30786274
golan hights 73 joke

>>30788023
>greentexting inb4 makes my bullshit correct

Iraq Survey Group did not find any chemical weapons or any signs of a functioning nuke program, just like the UN inspectors said before the shitshow.

>>30788023
Fuck off, Chris Kyle

>>30786265
I thought America and Britian were the ones that carpet bombed Germany back into the stone age. Unless that was only for Western Germany and the Rhineland.

>>30788787
What about those old chemical weapons that Isis allegedly found?

>>30788899
One of the main reasons that the RAF and USAAF, though mainly the former as they had a better idea of what the Soviets were capable of due to their observations during the Russian revolution, partition of Iran between the two and British raids into the Balkans, raided German cities in the East was to show the Soviets how much air power and bombing capacity they had.

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>tfw iraq looks retro now

>>30789071

>le blurry clock and sad frog.jpg

>>30788905
>allegedly

like when unnamed "defense officials" make shit up to leak to the press to affect public opinion on military action on ISIS in order to profit their careers?

>>30789071
>An 18 year old soldier who participated in the 2003 invasion 31 now.

>>30792050
Is 31 now*

>>30792061

There's a kid at my job who's working summer and he's 17, doesn't remember 9/11, too young to remember anything.

>>30792252
I was too young to remember 9/11 (inb4 >undeage b&, people who were three when 9/11 happened are 18 now), but I do remember pretty vividly the start of the Iraq war, school never shut up about it either and we always had to make stuff for the troops. It's actually pretty crazy, looking back, that I grew up during such a crazy and turbulent time.

>>30792294
>we always had to make stuff for the troops

r u srs

supporting welfare queens was part of curriculum?

>>30792331
We weren't making them new BDUs or anything. We made them crappy little Christmas cards and stuff. Especially from 2003-06, we usually made cards and care packages for the major holidays.

>>30792331
spotted the over weight goth girl who eats cupcakes

>>30792331
cutting aid to niggers is a better move. Anyways that looks like Al Assad, I was there.

>>30792381

spotted the camp whore

>>30792399
my bad meant Al Jaber Air Base

>>30786396
What you described was literally their battle plan during the Desert Storm. It failed miserably because...

A) No air support

B) No recon meant they couldn't actually see what they were shooting at, and thus hit nothing.

C) Were outgunned by the Coalition on the ground and in the air.

If they got their shit kicked in then, they were gonna get their shit kicked in 11 years later doing the same thing with less combat power.