Beretta 92FS vs. Glock 19

>>30778440
Okay listen here bub.

They are different weapons. One is a polymer bodied striker fired handgun with a reputation for reliability and high capacity.

The other is hammer fired all metal handgun with a reputation for great OTB accuracy and military-worthy reliability.

One has a shitty one slot rail the other is either railless or has a full rail

Da/sa is personal preference buuut....
>much Heavier
>Much bulkier
>Most come with slide mounted safety
>Polymer frame is more durable than aluminum

I'm probably missing something
92FS only has better aesthetics

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>>30778470
>bub
Cool down there, Wolverine.

>>30778440
actually I can, the glock is actually reliable... beretta is shit

>>30778559
Not in my experience.

>I own a 96A1 and a G23 G3
Equally reliable and I shoot both weekly.

>>30778559
>never owned a beretta

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>I'll never get the opportunity to own a Beretta dolphin

>>30778506
>polymer frame is more durable than aluminum
I understand your logic but the 92fs is not pure aluminum, more of an alloy.

>>30778559

> beretta not reliable

Only if you are using shot out .mil Springs that should have been changed 10000 rounds previous.

92 design makes feeding more reliable than practically any other design.

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For a soldier, I'd say G19 is far superior since it weighs less and is smaller. Other than that? User preference, I guess?

You could hammer someone to death with a 92FS, and that's about the only thing it has going for it over the G19 as far as I'm concerned.
Slide mounted safeties are retarded. Trigger is lackluster. It's large. It's heavy.

>>30778506
The Beretta is probably a better shooter in terms of accuracy and recoil.

But you are right the glock has an edge in a number of areas. More compact, simple, lighter, aftermarket, ect.

It's almost like they are 2 completely different guns with different purposes.

i love my 92s

>>30778656
this, the glock is definitely better for EDC but the beretta is more fun at the range

>>30778616
The fuck is a beretta dolphin

>>30779107
Beretta M9 with the slide completely sealed off instead of having exposed chamber and barrel.

Phrobis fucked around with it, nobody really wanted it.

>>30779650
This gives me a super hard boner, anon

>>30778616
Why would you remind me you POS. It's amazing that the average /k/commando and enthusiast alike don't really know how much shit Beretta has cooked up. The 90 series alone has a ton of variants

>>30779107
Are you blind?

>>30778440
92fs is a terrible gun design, the hammer hits the knuckle of my thumb when shooting it.

>>30778440
because the Glock 19 Gen 5 has already won the FBI contract, and will soon after be awarded the contract to replace 920,000 worn out beat-to-shit Beretta 92FS as the official NATO handgun of the US armed forces.

>>30781180
>handgun with no on/off safety
>standard military sidearm

>>30781165
Are you retarded, deformed or do you not know where to place your off hand, because you just described something that can't happen without one of those factors

>>30781165
That shouldn't happen, you thumb knuckle should be off to the side, not under the hammer.

>>30778440

Asked this before ... difference between 92fs and 92sb? Like parts interchangeable?

>>30778559
>beretta is shit
your opinion is shit.
both are solid designs.

>>30781668
Yes, the parts should basically be interchangeable. The only difference between those two (as far as I am aware) was the addition of the wide hammer pin on the 92FS.

Why do you ask?

>>30778440
Glocks are cheaper to manufacture and can be produced much quicker.
>Define "better"
Pro-tip: You can't.

>>30781165
sounds like your thumb is a bad design.
ive not ever had that problem while firing the beretta.

>>30781735
I've never had that problem firing any gun. Well... The Hakim once...

>>30781180
>and will soon after be awarded the contract to replace 920,000 worn out beat-to-shit Beretta 92FS as the official NATO handgun of the US armed forces.
...until which time it too will be replaced by...?

>>30778440
Give me a legitimate reason why the Beretta 92FS is a better weapon than the Sig P226 or Glock 19?

>Pro-tip: You can't.

>>30781714

Snagged a 92sb compact for 400 at a pawn shop , it's on layaway as I make payments.

Just never seen a SB and wondered what was different since I know the locking block can crack and break. Also good to know that it takes FS mags so for the house I can slap a 30 round mag and buy surplus shit for it

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>>30778440
1.) Normal sized grips, and adjustable thanks to the Modular Backstrap System on Gen 4s. The Beretta is Huge.
2.) Don't have to hit 6 buttons before you holster.
3.) Action is faster than Reaction. No safety means quicker rounds on target once the threat is perceived. Less to fuck up under stress.
4.) Bad guy can't steal my slide and run away
5.) Has Rails so I can mount a Flashlight and Identify my target.
6.) Similar firepower in smaller package

>>30781950
It's not likely that you'll have any issues with the slide flying off, haha. But yeah, that's the change they made to the FS. They added the big hammer pin and little groove on the slide to prevent the slide flying off backwards in the case of a failure. Still, it's super rare and I wouldn't even worry about it.

>>30781812
>>30778440
why not just buy a hk usp 9?

>>30778634
tell that to the at least two malfunctions I get each time I shoot the m9 qual

>>30782144
Because I prefer Sigs and Sig triggers and the Glock 19 is smaller than the USP 9 compact.

Not knocking HK though. Imo, if you want DA/SA then it's between HK and Sig and from there it's personal preference. However, I wouldn't buy a polymer Sig if I wanted a polymer DA/SA.

>flock has no safety

Look Man, go shooting with some fuckers who have only shot once or twice in the Military(US at least) and look at their complete lack of trigger discipline then give them a gun with no safety.

>>30782135

Yea I wouldn't care but still nice to know parts are interchangeable which is what I really wanted to know. Also noticed it's finish is like a classic blue and the guard is diffrent. Also wonder if that rail addition can be installed on it to. Time will tell

>>30778440
>hurrrr tell me why celery is a better fruit than a tomato lol hurrrr you can't because Glock is stoopid lol

Kill your self.

Also i can't rack a beretta slide without pinching my finger webbing

>>30778440
Personally I agree, especially when you bring in the 92A1.

Dovetailed front and rear sights

reversible magazine release

can swap out the barrel for a 96 barrel and reliably and safely use .40 (using the same mags as well mind you).

Two slot light rail

G conversions exist

Softer recoiling

Just as easy to field strip

3 more rounds with Mec-Gar flush fit magazines 5 more with Mec-Gar 20 rounders that extends less than a G17 mag in a G19.

A E S T E T I C S

only issue is weight, but polymer frames haven't taken over completely yet, it doesn't way any more than a SIG P226, and weighs less than a 1911 or CZ 75B

>>30782272
lol, color me impressed anon I've never had that issue

>>30782116
>Normal size grips and backstraps
what is a Beretta 92 Vertec and M9A3 (also forgetting that's only in Gen 4's)

>Don't have to hit 6 buttons b4 you holster
wut

>Hurr it has a safety
What is a Beretta 92 G

>lol you can get your slide stolen
1985 + 31

>Glock
>Pic rail

KEK

>Similar firepower and smaller package
What is the 92 compact, what are Mec Gar magazines?

>>30781812
it won the M9 trials

>>30782181
Are you just ignoring the first half of that post? When the gun isn't clapped out the rounds feed almost directly into the chamber.

>>30782272
>Also i can't rack a beretta slide without pinching my finger webbing
No, you just can't be arsed to learn how to avoid that

>>30782448
Brutal

Sight radius, soft shooting nature, disgustingly fast non-retarded field strip and zero need for a booster are nice.

>>30781180
M9 and 92fs aren't the same gun.

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>>30781165
So stop being a cunt

>>30782272
>>30781165

92fs is too complex for potato

>>30782249
>Blaming the gun for .mil ineptitude
Sounds like a training problem, not a gun problem

>>30782675
Hold it with your right hand as pic related and move left Hand back just a bit so thumb is back a bit more so it touches the back of your right hand instead of the too behind the hammer

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>>30782563
Oh? Please edify us. Please point out a few differences between these two obviously distinct firearms.

>>30781180
>Gen5
What?

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>>30778440
>2016
>wanting an inferior version of the 92

>>30783108
>inferior

Some of us don't pretend like we're actually going to use the over-priced flashlights on our fucking handguns.

Jesus Christ.

>>30783138
Geeze, are you irrational weapon light hating poorfags in literally every thread at all times?

>>30778506

I don't get why people bash the M9 Decocker location while giving the makarov a free pass. The decocker location isn't a big deal unless you have manlet hands.

>>30778559

You're speaking in memes. A big issue with Military M9s is the TM for M9 maintenance does not tell armorers to replace the recoil spring and spring guide at appropriate times.

>>30782272
You can, you're just too stupid not to. I don't like the 90-series handguns because of personal preference but you faggots really need to stop making up shit like this, it's pathetic

>>30783159
>poorfag

No. I'm not a "poorfag", but weapon lights are pretty fucking dumb. Spend $250 on something you're only going to end up using around the house when you're playing operator at night, kek.

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>>30783138
>being jealous of a TLR-1

>>30783102
FBI Glock, search and you'll find the news. Feds wanted a gun with features not on glock. Glock came back and said they would build it

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>>30778440
Dude even I will admit a Glack is lighter.

I love my Beretta and I have zero regrets buying one as my first handgun, but I am giving serious thought to purchasing a concealable Glock now that I found a configuration that doesn't feel like a limp dick in my hand.

Not a Berettafag, but IIRC the A1 series of handguns have slide and frame strengthening modifications.

>>30783216
>weapon lights are pretty fucking dumb

Literally the most basic accessory is fucking dumb?

I think you're fucking dumb to tell you the truth, famalama.

>>30783108
>>30783159
Rails are ugly.
I already have an ugly shooting appliance with a light, I want a pretty Italian pistol for fun.
Some of us aren't poorfags like you.

>>30783308
Okay. I'm open minded. Please justify a light to me. If you can, I'll go and order one right now.

>>30783357
>Please justify a light to me

You can see shit in the dark. There ya go justified!

>>30783403
Holy shit. You can't even defend your own purchase.

You've really convinced me, pal. Good job.

>>30783357
Unless blind firing sense of sight is essential to safe firearm usage. Unless you live in a part of the world that experiences 24hrs of daylight indoors and outside a wonderful tool is available called a light.

Just joking. If the likelihood of needing a firearm is low yet conceal carry is popular could we not agree that unfavorable light condition combat is also low? I go out at nights and have poor low light vision so for me it just makes sense. Light rails are hideous as fuck though. Manufactures need to figure out a replaceable, integral option that fits form and function.

>>30783108
LoL my little post really brought the spergs out the woodwork.

>>30783357
>You hear a noise in your yard at night
>You grab that nightstand HD Beretta 92FS with its 19-round MecGar mag and attached weapon light
>You slowly make your way to investigate
>Night time hooligan surprises you
>????????
>You end up on the ground, Beretta still in hand
>He's coming at you with an crowbar
>No time to get the irons up, so you hit the light and point-shoot, knowing if the light is on him, the bullets will follow

Bam. Get fucked.

>>30783357
Are you fucking serious? Do you really need to be told what the advantages of seeing what you're shooting at are?

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>>30783357

>>30783436
>>30783492
>>30783495

It still seems pointless to me.
If you have a light on your home defense gun, the only use I see it having is temporarily blinding your opponent (in which case if they're carrying they magdump towards the light). The downfalls? Giving away your position/giving your enemy a target.

If someone were invading my home, I'd more than likely know it. Yes, positive ID is necessary before discharging a firearm, but you'll probably know if someone is in your house that shouldn't be. Instead of romping through the house with a light on, why not lie in wait, allowing your eyes to adjust. You know your house better than them, probably. And if it's so dark that you couldn't see, chances are they can't either. And if they have a light? Well, you know exactly where they are. Wait. Listen. Act accordingly. Or you could fucking charge through the house with a gun light, hoping you get the light right in their faces and can drop them before you get pumped full of lead because you're basically a walking neon sign.

>>30783357
>Please justify a light to me
>>30783492
>>30783550
>It still seems pointless to me.
Then no one here is going to change your mind. I just gave you the most legitimate use I can think of.

>>30783550
>What is light discipline
>What is flash and move
>What is using backscatter to illuminate a room without pointing a light away from the floor or ceiling

It's not the 1990s where everyone sweeps rooms with the power switch stuck in the on position anymore.

>>30783089
Aside from the sights an dust cover it's mostly minor shit, but still different

"The differences between the M9 and 92FS:
The M9 usually has a straight dustcover and non-radiused backstrap (Contract Pistols will always be straight/straight)
The 92FS (recent model) has a radiused backstrap and angled dustcover
M9 markings (including proof markings and cage # markings)
M9 lacks the warning to read owner's manual
The rear sight of the 92FS has 2 dots, whereas the M9 has a single half-moon
M9 (unless special or limited edition) comes in cardboard box, with no plastic hard case"

>>30783550
U know they make strobe and allow temp bumping it on vs full ON/OFF? again peace of mind. Rather not shoot my dog or wife while half asleep cause not ATF nor Pistorius

Now if i could have a fog machine linked to my home security along with strobes and a PA bumping "Monster Mash" I'd probably be all set. Until this fantasy happens a weapon light is valuable to me.

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>>30783610
>Now if i could have a fog machine linked to my home security along with strobes and a PA bumping "Monster Mash" I'd probably be all set. Until this fantasy happens a weapon light is valuable to me.

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>>30783108
>Not A3
>Not Combat
>Not Steel I/II
>Not Elite IA
>Not Vertex G
>Not G-SD
>Not Langdon Hybrid
>Not AGW Centurion
>Not M
>Not Compact L

Goddamn Anon are you even trying?

>>30783550
What if there's something in your backyard? What if the burglars knocked shit over on their way in and you trip on it, putting you in a hugely vulnerable position? What if you accidentally left the door unlocked and some drunk retard accidentally wandered into your house? What if your cat knocked some shit over and you don't want to ventilate your kitty because you were too retarded to buy a light? What if there was an earthquake that knocked over your shit making you believe there was an intruder and you wind up putting a bullet in your flatscreen because you couldn't be assed to use a light?

What if you were a responsible gun owner and identified your target and everything behind your target before deciding to pull the trigger?

>>30783666
Firstly,
>those trips
Secondly, that picture makes my pee-pee hard.
I've got three Berettas:
-Regular ol' 92FS
-92FS Compact Inox
-Samurai Edge

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>>30783283
Traitor.

Too bad they let the 9000 die of shitty rubber and no rail. Still gotta pick one up eventually. The Px4 compact is nice with the lo-pro levers

Call me an outlier but I like Centurian D's because of my stupid hands and constant dry fire

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>>30783743
>Traitor.

To what? I have my 92FS, and that's the only Beretta I want.

I doubt I will ever carry anyway. I don't do much outside of go to work and go home again.

I really would like one of these motherfuckers next.

>>30783706
Pretty solid. Just be aware that you have an obligation to either suppress or SGS comp one of those

>>30783785
Unless you plan on completely decking it out I've seen seen what's so boner inspiring about those. I like the FNP/X/S but nothing about that one every really caught my eye

>>30783834
>what's so boner inspiring about those

I don't really know either. For some reason it gives me a huge dick.

I've been known to be an FNH slut previously, though.

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>>30783857
To be fair I think for me it's mostly a matter of the may tumor and the color. Me being the DA/SA guy that I am, I would be all over that if it we're just black and 9mm cause at that size it's and easy 19 or 22+1. Turns out P30s and VP9s don't look half bad with RMRs. Sigs offering doesn't look half bad and the price looks good.

Either way I like the trend, excpet for pic related

>>30783947
>it we're just black and 9mm

There is a version like that, though.

>>30783986
Not for the Tactical there isn't, which is ridiculous

>>30778440
>AIRSHIT PHOTO

>>30778440
>no external redundant safeties
>no fucking retard tier slide mounted safeties
>no barrel/slide interface exposed to the elements
>muh weight
>Shorter and more positive trigger reset means it's a lot easier to ride the sear with a Glock
>underbarrel rail
>orders of magnitude higher MRBF
>more lax maintenance schedule
>gen 4 magazine releases
>no external action bar open to the elements and dust
>no hammer to snag on clothing during the draw
>more aftermarket support
>Not Italian

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>>30784554
>has a safety and decocker
>has a safety in my preferred location on the slide
>is a Beretta so its going to be open
>is similar to other alloy handguns
>smooth da and in sa it is extremely easy to feel the reset
>proofs
>proofs
>now comes in reversible mag release
>any proof it causes anything
>unlike your brick
>claiming a gun thats been in use for 30 years has a poor aftermarket
>Not Austrian

>>30782563
for all intents and purposes they are, I own a M9 and have handled 92FS's the only difference are the sights and markings, the military ones also have all steel triggers, steel guide rods, steel magazine releases, steel safety levers (basically a steel parts kit). But aside from that they guns are the same, parts commonality/interchangability is 100%

>>30783422
they're very practical for home defense situations. You want to be able to ID your target and holding a gun and a light at the same time is easier said than done.

>>30778440
granted most of the weight will be ammo and barrel, but there is still something to be said of a polymer frame vs metal

>>30784748
13th amendment makes it illegal to own niggers like that anon

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>>30778506
>Polymer frame is more durable than aluminum

Yeah no...

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>mfw ive won all my army shooting comps with the M9
>can have solid groupings at range

Weight helps. Doggo is a filthy no guns

>>30784855
Wrong thread /pol/ is over their.

>>30784883
I find it interesting that the internet says the military hates the M9 yet every vet I've talked to with decent trigger time behind it loves it

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>>30784903

That's because Private McFuckface usually gets an M9 that's his age or older with tens of thousands of rounds through it.

>>30784903
because that's probably the only trigger they've ever tried lmao

also
>taking gun advice from a vet
most are ignorant on the matteer

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>>30784925
>taking gun advice from a vet
>most are ignorant on the matteer

I am a vet and am not ignorant on the matter
>>30784903
Even the worn down M9s can shoot a solid grouping, but some of those m9s were from the fucking dawn of their arrival. Only problem ive had was shooting them in 19oF weather, the saftey can stick and is hard to shoot with thicker gloves

>>30784925
not in the cases I've seen, they own several different guns yet like the design. They've used it in combat and have had little reliability issues

also >combat arms vets are ignorant on firearms

circlejerking tacticool civilian much?

>>30784978
I imagine, I haven't done any gloved shooting with mine. I like it. As a new shooter it recoils mildly, and is just fun as dicks to shoot.

I also got it to train for ROTC, so it'll be nice to be familiar with the platform

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>>30784995
Shoot the M9 or 92fs and then fire a glock or a ruger. You will find the 92fs will have far less kick back or jolt due to the weight of the frame. However it does make it heavier than most hand guns and harder still to conceal carry

>>30784978
>>30784979
contain your butthurt, faglords.

I own a M9A1 and a glock 17. Both great in their own ways.

>>30785061
see>>30784748
It is similar to other alloy guns in weight.

>>30785112
Are you implying you can conceal carry a p226 or jerico?

Meme reply: Beretta APX

>>30785122
Considering the number of people here claiming to conceal p226 cz75 1911 and even 92fs' yes if I didn't live in Texas where that is only possible 3 months out of the year.

>>30785140
Wearing a heavy coat hardly counts down in these hot states. You can CC a fucking ar pistol in august in the north

>>30785061
I have a friend who CC'd a 92A1 up until recently (replaced it with a custom CZ P07) he's given me some tips to CC it

>>30778559

I've owned both and I liked both. The beretta was just larger, which made the Glock 19 better for Concealed Carry.

Glock is also striker fired, which felt more responsive to me.

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>>30785070
>muh butthurt
continue being a wannabe operator while the ones you criticize actually do shit

>>30785061
Feels like sex shooting it and racking it. So much lube got fined for indecency.

>>30785140
I know a guy who CC'd a 92A1 in Texas pretty much every day lol. It's not impossible

>>30785254
And here I am looking at the LCR for cc.

>>30785061
will try and shoot a Glock, got a family friend who actually has a G19.

>>30785140
Carried my 92fs today, Dallas weather was hot as shit. Wore jeans, thicker cotton button down shirt, and flip flops. You certainly feel it there more than polymer but don't believe the lies that its impossible. Carried appendix iwb

>>30785241
The 92fs does have a meaty and hearty rack to it. Friend of mine said he heard me rack it during a cleaning and it
>Was scarey. If i heard that in the dark is be running fast as fuck

>>30785258
I'm gonna CC my beretta, it'll be difficult but so worth

>>30785268
I was thinking of carrying either appendix or 4 o'clock IWB

>>30785268

Seems like a pistol you'd carry in your car, to me. In a car holster.

I would rather carry a smaller pistol in my pants.

>>30781165
you're holding it wrong

>>30781369
>What is the Glock 17 outside the US

>>30778440
this is shit bait

>>30783138
much kekkles

>overpriced flashlights


and I thought I was the only one

>>30783159
not a poorfag

just don't see a need for a little gun mounted flashlight.

sooo stooopid

>>30783216
kek

>>30783422
please mr. badguy, give me a second to switch on my little puss light so I can see you. you see sir, i didn't want to flash it on earlier for fear of giving up where i am.

Dear God

>>30783566
legitimately, the dumbest thing I've seen as a gun accessory.

>>30783610
>Now if i could have a fog machine linked to my home security along with strobes and a PA bumping "Monster Mash" I'd probably be all set.
KEK

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>>30786854
>>30786827
>>30786774
>>30783550
>>30783357

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>>30786827
>Not sure if seriously that retarded or just pretending to be

>>30786884
nope. I can ID my target without giving my position away.

>>30781369
UK adopted the G17 famalam

I own both. I like everything about the Beretta 92FS better except size, which limits EDC.

>>30786909
turn your little flashlight on and "see" who gets "lit"

lmao

>>30778637
"Buuuhuuuu I have tiny hands and my arms are incapable of holding anything over 2.5 lbs"

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>>30783610
>Now if i could have a fog machine linked to my home security along with strobes and a PA bumping "Monster Mash" I'd probably be all set. Until this fantasy happens a weapon light is valuable to me.

i need this