Hoping to enlist in the Army as 37F, Psychological Operations

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>>30774737
Hello I am a PSYOP NCO. First off there is no S at the end.
here is a list of things you need to be able to do to be a PSYOPer.
>talk to people
A large part of my job involves walking up to people I dont know and talk to them to either convince them we are the good guys or learn whats going on in the area that I can exploit. I also have to convince Infantry commanders that I am an asset and that I should be used.
>switch from making friends to killing people.
We are riflemen first. Yeah we "sell America" but we also mke it easier for the Infantry to kill more bad guys. This makes us a target for bad guys. We are also expected to do everything our supported unit is doing, including attacks and ambushes.
>be able to ruck march
on a dismounted combat patrol YOU WILL be rucking while everyone else is just walking with guns and armor on. Why? Because we take a loudspeaker everywhere, its our weaponsystem

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>>30774891
PSYOP NCO
AMA

>>30774970
How intensive is the language training? I read it was four weeks iirc. Do they just give you a base understanding of Farsi? Was it enough for you to be able to hold coherent conversation with people?

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>>30774997
Im reserve so I didnt do language. But those that do get it generally speak it semi-fluently.
The language you get will depend on what your test scores are and what you want.
Are you currently on active duty?
pic is the man portable loudspeaker

>>30774970
Another question, this one is probably pretty stupid...

Have you ever had to barter with someone to get information? Like give them a small amount of money or a pack of cigarettes or something, or do you not do that?

I just see myself saying something like "hey man, here's a cigarette.... can you tell me where X is or if you've seen X?"

Maybe I'm disillusioned about the whole thing, but I'm sure they'd be happy to smoke a real Marlboro or something, if they don't outright want to kill you.

>>30774737
>Doing it because it seems pragmatic, not because "lol PSYOPS"
Bull shit that's exactly why you're doing it.

>>30775041
Nah man, I'm currently in the very beginning process of becoming enlisted. I know jack shit about jack shit, so I made this thread. The website said I qualified for it, so I started filling the shit out. I looked at it and it said it wasn't entry level, so I'll do whatever I have to to get there.

>>30774891
>>30774970
>glorified PA

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>>30775052
Sort of. We hand out stuff all the time for that very reason. I used to pass out cigarrettes and lighters to establish raport and help with gaining trust to build relationships I can exploit.
>>30775062
if you want to start as PSYOP you will have to go reserve first. You can go active duty from there, but there is a selection process. But we do have plenty of language slots and airborne slots to send you (but always get airborne inyour contract).
>>30775067
>glorified PA
one part of our many jobs. Thats like saying the only thing the infantry does is in Iraq is shoot dogs

pic is of the speaker bag

So... are PSYOPS dude legit evil genius-tier masters of manipulation and thought control, or a bunch of nerds trying to out-edge each other?

>>30775107
>or a bunch of nerds trying to out-edge each other?
I imagine it like the networking yuppies at a tech conference. A bunch of people going around handing out business cards pretending to be your friend so they can get 'contacts'.

Except that I guess you log your contacts and maybe ask them if any jyhadists are around.

>>30775041
>The language you get will depend on what your test scores are and what you want
Isn't ever going to be anything other than farsi, arabic or maybe pashto for a change?

>>30774891
> I also have to convince Infantry commanders that I am an asset and that I should be used.
I'm guessing it's a real pain the ass. Considering how you perform functions equivalent to political commissar and as such are detriment to unit's combat capabilty.

>>30775136
>you perform functions equivalent to political commissar
Ever executed a wounded squad member to improve the damage output of the rest of the squad by 10%?
Or do you just report on their disloyalty to the party?

>>30774737
What is pragmatic about signing up for a POG MOS during peacetime?

Whats the promotion like?

>>30775191
>What is pragmatic about signing up for a POG MOS during peacetime?
When is the USA ever at peace?
There's always somewhere to send boots.

>>30775107
both. Depends on who it is.
>>30775125
like SF there are commands for regions, so there are French speakers, Chinese, Korean...ect arab speakers are a dime a dozen.
>>30775136

We are in no way commisars....not even a little.
>>30775194
promotions are easy, bonuses are high
ALMOST automatic....but we dont advance shitbags.
>>30775198
PSYOP deploys in peace and wartime

>>30775265
So what do you even do.

Hope you don't get raped. Plenty of rape in the army, should probably join the marines instead.

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>>30775356
This sounds suspiciously like something a Marine rapist would say...

>>30775338
what do I do? I persuade change and influence the thoughts opinions and feelings of the target audience in accordance with thr national objectives. Duh!
Basically I get people to behave n ways that make it easier for us to win and kill bad guys.
>>30775356
There is less rape in the Army than there is in college.

>>30774891
do you also suffer from autism?

>>30775391
Do you guys get deployed often?

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>>30775402
Maybe. But if I do it was learned from this place.
>>30775431
Yes. The active guys are short staffed so we fill in a lot. A lot of it is training with NATO, but when there is a combat mission PSYOP is on it.

PIC is what I am doing today.

>>30775522
What kind of places are PSYOP getting sent to? Africa?

>>30775538
All over the world. As I said, if there is US military there chances are PSYOP is there.

>>30774970
Tell me everything about Civil Affairs my friend

>>30775836
They find shit that locals need and have it built. Generally those guys like to pretend they are SF....but they are not. Hell they dont even fall under SOCOM like our active guys do.
>we have a rivalry because we share a patch and aspects of our missions can be similar.
>I know you are trolling.

>>30774970
What makes you certain America are the good guys?

>>30775884
could I enlist straight into psyop reserve?

Can you talk about some top secret experiments you have got going on? Do you have any former Nazi scientists working for you?

>>30775884
You said earlier you wanted to know if any jihadists are around,

What makes a jihadist a jihadist? Am I at risk of becoming one? (Feel free to evaluate me) how can you tell if a rifleman is becoming a jihadist?

Why is anwar alwalaki a source of radicalization in most US Isis cases? He doesn't seem that radical to me.

Lastly what's the difference between fundamentalist Islam and radical Islam?

>>30775942
The last of the nazi scientists were deported a couple of years ago they were receiving SSI checks over seas.

Is psyop stuff mostly an american thing? Long shot but do your allies like uk, au, and nz do that stuff or are they too small to consider doing those things?

>>30775910
>>30775945
>>30775952
could you please just shoot yourself already

>>30775910
Another PSYOPer told him so.

>>30775984
Basically all countries do it. Even small ones countries Denmark, Netherlands and Sweden have psyop units in their foreign deployments. The US more than others because of the heavy presence abroad.

>>30775910
Because that is the side that I am on. Very simple. Were I on another side, that would be the good one.
>>30775911
Yes. On active you must go to selection and reclass.
>>30775945
I said bad guys. Never said jihadi. But pretty much, anyone who intentionally kills children is a bad guy.
But with fundamentalism and radicalism, those are just terms the media and political people kick out. To me on the ground its just good guys and bad guys or "the enemy" because it is simple.

>>30775984
Every country had PSYOP and even the Taliban and ISIS have a version of it.
>>30775997
Nope. Because I love my country, even when the President is an idiot.

>>30776086
>Isis has a version of PSYOPs

What is kufr bit taghoot?

Even so it doesn't justify killing civilians.

So your loyalties rest with whatever side you're on? How does that make any sense? If America is the good guy I wanna know why their the good guys. Why is Assad still in power? Why does America prop up puppet dictators and elected officials? If democracy is as great as people make it out to be why is globalism becoming more and more paramount?

Thanks for answering my question.

The one I really want answered is why are you a good guy?

>>30776130
"good guy" is a relative term. Is your side the good guy? Assuming you have a side. Where we (Americans) try to limit civilian casualties, the enemy (ex ISIS) target them on purpose.

>>30776130
>why is assad still in power
isis detected.
fuck off sandnigger.

>>30776271
This is true...
I suppose I don't have a side because I see flaws with every group.

>>30775103
>Thats like saying the only thing the infantry does is in Iraq is shoot dogs

based

>>30776326
you are thinking critically, keep doing that.

>>30776588
Critical thinking is basic, the flaws of various Islamists groups are that they aren't open to peaceful negotiations and the ones that are (Taliban) happen to be negotiating with the enemy rather than negotiating peace with the occupiers, as a result they're losing their country to boy fuckers just because said boyfuckers helped fight them and their not winning hearts and minds that's what this entire war on terror is about, hearts and minds. The Taliban don't seem that effective at it yet some how their gaining ground. I simply don't understand their tactics/ reasoning we've been occupying their country for 15 years and yet now they allegedly have more ground than before our occupation yet aren't willing to go to the peace negotiations talks, it doesn't make sense that they aren't compromising when their nationalistic and not globalist. More over if they wanted shariah for Afghanistan it would have been easier to go to the peace talks and be realistic about the current situation.

AQ On the other hand is losing support globally as more and more groups are disassociating themselves with the terrorist group. More over they aren't putting out good propaganda, I've seen their training videos and speeches and its only mildly effective, they have some talking points but it doesn't and can't justify 9/11.

As for Isis they have a good idea of a chaliphate but their issue is that they keep exporting terror when that's A not effective at changing policies and B a waste of human life. The battle of hearts and minds isn't one that is constantly involved in the killing of others in retaliation for the injustices committed against you. Rather it is one of patience and preservercence in the face of calamity.

As for the US their foreign policy effects the Muslim world in a way that doesn't effect any other nation or power in the world as such I fail to see how they operate as "good guys" they should simply operate as mercenaries.

>>30776711
critically thinking buddy, you're going off what they told you and not why they told you it, and really haven't given much reflection into what you think they're not telling you.

>>30776711
The caliphate is not a "good idea" unless you are a muslim.

The US does what is best for the US.

>>30774737
You can't enlist as 37F on your initial enlistment.

>>30776956
Read the thread.

>>30774970
Did you enlist and apply there? Or go through something specific in college before?

Do you guys get slots for schools?
Whats the selection process like to go from Reserve to Active?

>>30776815
I don't know what their not telling me...
>>30776880
I am Muslim.


Wouldn't it be in the interest in the US to be paid for protection?

>>30775103
>I used to pass out cigarrettes and lighters
Gib smokes. Play "Panama" again.

>>30776880
>The caliphate is not a "good idea" unless you are a muslim.
Not that great for most muslims either desu
And I'm not even being fedora there but there's that too.

I read about 30 words from this thread and can't remember any of them. I would recommend getting a skill and look toward the future when we don't / can't fund endless wars and you will have a skill that is marketable.

>>30777342
Not good why????

>>30775103
>Thats like saying the only thing the infantry does is in Iraq is shoot dogs
Fucking savage

>>30777084
I reclassed as PSYOP after I went to reserves from active.
the Army retrained me.
>>30777171
slots come and go. Airborne and airassault are ususlly available. Language too.
>>30777196
I dont think it would go over well if infidels were protectinv the Caliphate

Do PSYOP still remember Skippy's List?

>>30777469
well for starters you would have to live under the strictest form of Shria law, no smoking, music, ect...

>>30777524
Yes. 213 things Skippy cant do. Hell I added a few things to that list.

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Give it to me straight, doc.
Is /k/ the kind of place full of people gun control doesn't want to have guns, or are there reasonable people here?

>>30774737
anytime I see something GK related I smile...... wonder why

>>30777654
I still cant find anything that i've enjoyed as much as generation kill. I can constantly rewatch it

>>30777617
>the kind of place full of people gun control doesn't want to have guns
/k/'s mostly civilians, so yes.

>>30777042

What is your day job?

>>30777196

You are worst tripfag, you are the tripfag stink! Bat Guano still alive on operator chan! We will remove kebab tripfag!

What's being deployed often like?
It seems like it'd be hard to keep bills payed if you don't have a solid constant connection everywhere you go.

>>30777847

You just autopay everything.

>>30777771
Armed Security.
>>30777847
I have a wife to pay the bills. but there is internet everywhere even on shitty outposts

>>30778236
I don't exactly understand. To be an PSYOP NCO means to be a psychologist? Do you skeap with people without any of this "Yes, but you are a good guy, everything would be okey and etc. bullshit"? =)

Greeting from Russia.

>>30774997
35M here, just failed Farsi at DLI. I was only 12 weeks in and I already know more than all 4 years of highschool spanish. Its a 47 week course though. They say that after the course you could run a assisted gas station in your language country. I didnt see any 37Fs there, only 35Ps and us Mikes

>>30775052
Thats the job for 35Ms.

>>30778299
bump from russia

>>30778299
basically I act as the situation needs me to act. Of I need to scare away the enemy I do. If I need to justify American actions I do.

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>>30775910
you mean goys don't you?

>>30778633
I guess, I get it. You object is to hold a fine moral level and you would make all that it needs to do so?

>>30778804
it helps. We are not permitted to lie in anything we do. We can decieve, but only in terms of making it seem there are more soldiers than there are

>We are not permitted to lie in anything we do
But can you lie if the situation demands it? For example, there is a warfare but one of yours is sufferring from guilt because he occasionly killed civil and thinks that death is good punishment. You don't have time to speak about this, you need him to become 'normal' again.
Also,
>This makes us a target for bad guys
How enemy can understand that you are a PSYOP?

>>30774970
Do you have a bunch of bald guys named Yuri who are really good at making enemy units shoot each other as well as lighting things on fire with their mind?

They also like to say from time to time "Yuri is master"

>>30777486
They protect Saudi.

>>30777537
I'm ok with that I can listen to music on earbuds in my own house safely...
>>30777783
What were you doing on operator chan?
Bump
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Bit of an interesting and semi-relevant read:
http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/bosleslr/bosleslr.htm

>It is not only the Dayton experience that has proven valuable for Russia. In May, an article appeared in the Russian paper Nezavisimaya Gazeta (Independent Newspaper) that highly rated the use of U.S. psychological operations forces in Bosnia. The article drew three conclusions: first that peace is being managed "largely thanks to the efforts of the PSYOPS specialists" in spite of the fact that the peace plan is so complex, that plans for weapons surrender and prisoner of war exchanges have not been completely implemented, and in spite of the presence of Mujaheddin mercenaries who fought on the side of the Muslims; second, the PSYOP staff permits them to effectively "react to the developing situation and to change the direction of the information psychological influence" (the Americans are already beginning to gradually prepare public opinion for the fact that the one year that was allotted by the Dayton accords may not be enough); and finally, these efforts have exposed Russia's inability to use such levers of influence on public opinion.

>>30778910
We cant lie when putting out information. So we couldnt say group A killed good guy B when it didnt happen. Its a credibility thing. But we can decieve, like we can make it sound like there are tanks moving toward you.
It is illegal for me to use PSYOP on US forces or Us civilians. I also dont deal with PTSD or mental issues.
>>30778973
Yuri is not on my team but I am sire we have one.

>>30779024

You didn't even get the joke, that's how much of a fresh, retarded trip you are.

>>30779283
Understood. Thank you.

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>>30774737
Just read this and you'll be good to go.

>>30780440
So I see you bumped it....what else would you like to know? Ill be checking in every hour till 10pm EST

>>30779831
I think I just got cancer

>>30779283
What's the difference between Active Duty PSYOP and Reservists?

Also, I heard from an SF captain that Civil Affairs guys get used more because they're more versatile. What do you think of civil affairs?

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>>30780454
Not that anon. But I'm considering graduate school but would rather do something else. I took the ASVAB in HS but never pursued. I speak a bit of Hindi, will they have me do another language if I choose the 37F route? Do they need Hindi speakers? Also would living in India and other countries stop me from getting a clearance despite being born in America and both parents being American citizens, one by birth.

>>30779831
On the bottom pic, the first face on the second page... who was that again? I forgot his name, I remember him being sort of popular

>>30780454
Does PSYOP ever get to do Psychological warfare stuff, like, nasty stuff?
A bit of a dumb question but, If being PSYOP means I get to do this type of shit im in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d9H_1ygEv8

>>30780492
>>30780492
You have to be a troll. But in case you arent. CA and PSYOP have the same patch. CA will pay to fix wells and give bribes. PSYOP

On active you have to have already been in the Army for a while, be an NCO, be airborne and pass a language course.

Reserves you just gotta pass MOS training. Capabilities are the same, but some of the units are shit, others (like mine) are good.
>>30780505
Hindi will get you more pay because not a lot of people speak it. So long as you are upfront about where you have lived it wont be an issue....lots of paperwork though.

>>30780589
>Hindi

Not to mention if you can speak Hindi it means you can speak Urdu.

>>30780589
Appreciate the info, PSYOP anon. No reason I wouldn't be, just don't want to start the process and then get denied for some reason.

>>30780589
Not a troll, just heard that some foreign nations don't like PSYOP because they know your mission is manipulating people and spamming propaganda. CA manipulate too but they also help out communities with their free money and stuff like that, or so I was told.

Also, how are officers you've seen? I'm thinking about going active duty PSYOP or CA when I get a couple more years in. Is stuff like a ranger tab required? Combat arms preferred or MI?

>>30780521
bump

>>30780521
Yes!!!! We even have a special course on it. Ive done it a handful of times real world. Basically as a PSYOPer you can do whatever you want so long as you can justify it and articulate how it will hep the unit you are supporting. The lame part is a lot of PSYOPers are lazy or want to be combat tourists so they give us a bad name.
>>30780702
there is a big rivalry between us.
Basically if a local knows you are PSYOP you are not good at your job. Plus we have the same patch.
Combat arms are EXTREMELY helpfuL to have as PSYOP. Basically when you get attached to a line unit you are expected to do everything they do, plus your job Think combat medic, except PSYOP.

I want to learn about elite PSYOP tactics and have a few questions:
1: how difficult is it to intercept enemy radio communications? how much over-the-phone dissing is needed to break an enemy commander's will and force a surrender?
2: is calling the enemy's mom a whore a no-go?
3: on average, how many brojobs are required a month to maintain a battalion's morale? how common is it to be in the barrel?
4: are arabs actually capable of rational thought or is just a myth
5: is playing 80's power metal over the loudspeaker to raise midcombat hype against protocol?
6: is playing Death Grips over the loudspeaker to terrify and confuse the enemy with unfamiliar Western music against protocol as well?
7: is playing Wandering Soul over the loudspeaker still a legitimate tactic? can the hadjis understand Vietnamese?

>>30781093
Do guys use PSYOP as a jumping board to something else like SF for example? or 35M?

>>30781093
Man PSYOP Looks based af, So you basically get to do all the awesome psychological warfare meme stuff while also working as a rifleman?

>>30781113
1 it depends on the general.
2 that is a go. Its called "tactical call out"
3 thats the Navy I am Army.
4 Yes they can and do, but keep in mind if you live in a place thats hot sandy and people try to blow you up, someone giving you a Rolex might turn you into a terrorist too.
5 I do that as often as I can. I justify it by saying its to degrade the enemy morale
6 thats another morale degrade tactic, its still used.
7 Arabs dont understand the language, but if we went back to Nam we woukd use that again

all of our broadcasts, leaflets, and "PSY-acts" are all thought out and planned. We never do anything "just because." Sometimes blaring Pantera is the roght thing to do, sometimes its calling someones mom a goat fucker. We are only limited by our imagination and ability to justify our actions (often times after word gets back to higher). Kts a lot of fun, hard work, but FUN.

>>30781258
Why not develop a new mixtape made for arabs, Use it, and post the results on /k/?

>>30781395
Im not currently inthe middle east. Also the area of operation has to be roght for it. I literally feel out whats I should do based on the days mission. A lot of days Im just talking to locals, others I am doing cool shit, and others Im just patroling with the Grunts.

>>30781463
Try it out while you're there, post results on /k/ once you return.

>>30781463
So you're kinda just another solider then huh???

>>30781189
you can. The issue is that a lot of guys THINK they are SF or "pretty much infantry" so when they go to selection they get a harsh reality check. But there are a lot of guys from PSYOP in SF.
>>30781217
Yes if thats your thing. There is also a lot of room to be a shitbag, more than other jobs because no one really knows what you are supposed to be doing and you are always away from your chain of command.
>>30781556
Ok. Next time I will. All week I am fucking with national guard OCS cadets. So far I managed to get "killed" for being an asshole at a check point. Better it happens here than in the real world!
>>30782382
nope.


alright Im off to bed. If there is a PSYOP thread tomorrow I will post again. There is a lot of time between lanes....sooo thats why I had a rocket on my jeep if anyone was wondering.

>>30782690
good luck psyman.

>>30776130
Fuck off, isis