Would you use pic related for plinking?

>>30768924
no, because reloading is cheaper and you get better quality ammo

>>30768936
>reloading is cheaper

If your time is worthless.

>>30768955
Reloading doesn't take long at all unless you're doing bulk pistol or precision rifle. I can pump out cheap spam ammo like it's nothing.

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>>30768924
Only on chromed barrel or pistol calibers. Tula erodes "black" barrels fast. Faster than one would expect.

>>30768966
how much does it cost to set up a basic reloading setup for something like 5.56 or .300BLK?

>>30768924
Yeah.

If your gun doesn't suck, Tulammo fine

>>30768924

Where I live Tulammo and Wolf is at best a dollar cheaper per 20 over bulk brass cased US manufactured plinking ammo. I'll stick with cheap Federal and Remington for putting holes in paper.

>>30768989

If your gun doesn't suck does it not deserve better than bottom of the barrel bi-metal trash?

>>30768980
$150 or so not including consumables

>>30769045
If your gun doesn't suck it should handle it just fine

>>30769053
Not the other guy, but could you provide a link? Im interested in reloading too. Gotta save funds somehow.

>>30768924
I don't have an AR, but I do use Tula and RAS ammo (same thing lol) in my AK, SKS, Mosin, and 9mm Glock.
Never really had any major problems.

I did have one 7.62x39 that seperated the bullet from the case and spilled powder in my receiver once, but it only happened once.

>using Russian-made ammo in American-made guns

>>30768973
I use Tula for my Mosin, are you saying the ammo is corrosive?

>>30769106
Joke's on you, I don't own any American guns

>ITT: Poor people justify using poor people ammo

>>30768924
No. XM193 is good not only for self/home defense but it is also inexpensive enough to train with. You can pick up xm193 for around $.35/round.

>>30769159
Ammo is ammo, nigga

We're not shooting silver bullets here

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>>30769073
Here you go, just made it. This is a pretty simple setup that will provide a few extra quality of life bonuses. It's what I started out using and you can do just fine. This is for .556, you would need different dies and gauge for a anything else.

>>30768924
No. Because I don't have a weapon chambered in .223.

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>>30769117
If I meant its corrosive, I would say its corrosive.

Tulammo bullets are non-jacketed steel. Its very abrasive to a normal non-chromed barrel.

>>30769183
What brand would you recommend for 7.62x54R then?

I don't want to use surplus in my Mosin, despite sitting on an unused Russian spam can.

>>30768924
I've shot a couple boxes of it, no malfunctions or anythingbut it's kinda meh and the clip they come on makes them harder to take out of the box.
>>30769160
This. I mostly shoot Independence M193 and that's my choice for any defense or hunting situations, but I do buy small amounts of anything else that's reasonably priced because variety is good too.

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>>30769214
Red Army Standard

>>30769176
To add onto this, you could buy a bottle of brass polish at your local sporting goods store to make your cases look really nice and shiny.

For reloading data just use http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/

It's nice to have reference books but if you don't wanna cough up $35+ dollars each for them that will work just fine too.

>>30769214

Dude, its fine, I promise. I shoot surplus out of my M39 and Remington M91 with no ill effects. Just clean well after use. They were built with this trash in mind.

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>>30769214
For Mosin it really doesnt matter. Garbage ammo for the garbage rod.

>>30769176
Thanks a lot man. I was looking at some presses and I saw that Lee Reloading Press, but other presses on the same page were anywhere from that price to 500 dollars for single stage presses. Had no idea what the heck I was looking at.

>>30769258
In my opinion the cheapest single stage press will do the job just as fine as an expensive single stage. I prefer the short handle on that lee press because when loading precision rifle rounds you can feel if something is amiss when seating the bullet, the more expensive ones with tons of leverage you would never notice.

>>30769176
Thanks. Saved this.

>>30768924

Sure, and have. It's not the best, but it works good enough.

Ran loads of it through my AR's and a Minimi I used to deal with.

Short answer: no, buy wolf/wpa

Long answer: steel case wears your parts faster, a gun blog mag dumped 10,000 rounds of 4 different types of ammo in 4 identical ar15s: tula, wolf, bear, and brass cased american eagle. While the eagle was the dirtiest, it had fewer worn out parts and i dont think any failures. Tula had significantly poorer performace than the also russian steel cased wolf and bear. While those test were worst case maximum rifle abuse scenarios, the effects will be similair over say, 15000 rounds of regular usage.

Tula also has less powder behind it, and can lead to short stroking ar15s, depending on gas tube length, barrel length, and port size

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>>30769176
anon can still deliver

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>>30769159
> only have 30$ to spend on ammo
> Can buy 100 rounds for 25$
> or buy 60 rounds for 24$

Let me think about that real qui-yep you're retarded.

>>30768924
If I had no choice, but I'd rather use Barnaul.

>>30768924

Shut up cuck

>plinking

Self defense only desu

>>30769373
go back to /pol/ ya dingus

>>30769106
>not shooting Prvi Partizan in a Sarsilmaz
>not shooting Magtech in an H&K
>not putting Tokyo Marui crap on a Daewoo
>not shooting Radway Green in a Bersa

>>30769214
I've put an entire spam can through my Mosin, and it's had no effect on the bore. Just clean it out every time you shoot with ammonia or hot water, I find that some Windex down the barrel washed down with the latter suits me just fine.

>>30768924
out of a low end AR, sure

but id rather use wolf or tulammo in an SKS or AK

>>30769106
>implying I own any American made guns today garbage tomorrow

>>30768924
nah bro its shit ammo just pay a littl emore and get the good stuff

>>30769307
I question the results of that test. Creating a same day "torture test" isnt accurate to most users that will never out that many rounds throufh a rifle in one sittinf. It IS good to knpw what a Bushmaster will do under extreme use but hardly an applicable lesson. Most AR users that shoot steel will go through thousands of rounds without issuenfor the life of the barrel.

>>30769258
>>30769176
I agree with this setup for a beginner, but if you plan on reloading a lot, I do recommend a progressive press. They're a bit more, but they speed your loading up prolly like 500%
If you don't know what a progressive press is, look at a Dylan 550b, you can see the plate in the middle that spins, with every die set up

>>30768924
Bought 1k of golden tiger .223 few weeks ago (the ones from sgammo with shitty primers)

Average about 7 duds per 30 round clipazine, the ones that do fire short stroke with my 14.5" mid length barrel

So no I won't be running slavshit thru my yankshit again, the only bittersweet logic is that even with the duds I'm probably still going to come out about even cost per round if I had bought m193 ammo. But having a single shot ar makes for a long shitty range day

>tfw feel for the golden tiger meme
>tfw feel for the middy gas length meme
>tfw my ak74 shoots 40 year old 7n6 all day erry day erry damn day no problems

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>>30768924
ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY

Anyone here saying that you should "just pay more for your ammo lol why treat your gun bad xD" either doesnt even fucking OWN guns or they literally dont shoot at all, or theyre the dumbest cunts in the gun world akin to "9mm will jus hurt him .45 will KILL HIS SOUL" retards.

Heres the breakdown, unless you reload (reloading is just not a reasonable time and money investment for 99% of shooters out there, this will trigger reloaders) then buying brass cased ammo is the dumbest shit you can do period. For .223 brass cased is at its lowest 30 cents per round and ive seen recently steel cased get to 18 cents per round SHIPPED.

If you actually shoot your guns then that shit adds up fast, and if you have a gun that doesnt run steel cased ammo as well as it runs brass then you have a peice of shit gun you need to throw in the goddamn garbage can, and thats not hyperbole.

Tulammo and Wolf are king of steel cased with Wolf being the better of the two, Im weary of Brown bear though.

BUY STEEL CASED AMMO, SHOOT YOUR FUCKING GUNS.

>>30776038
Were you offered a refund or anything? 7 failures out of 30 is absurd

>>30776132
oh and to add to this Golden tiger is garbage.

In a Slav gun designed for steel case, sure
not in a Western gun with a chamber designed for brass, it just ends up being more trouble than it's worth

>>30768924
Yes I but it in bulk

>>30776132

>i'm too lazy to reload
>therefore is isn't worth it

You're correct. I'm triggered and you are a moron. Enjoy your shitty inconsistent steel case.

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>>30776183
Triggering has already begun, the reloaders are a very delicate breed.

>>30769176
>Lee Powser Measure

FUCK those things. If you're ok with powder leaking everywhere then go ahead and buy one. Lee precision stuff is decent, but their powder measure is absolute fucking garbage. Spend a little more and get a measure that actually works.

>>30776194
We are only trying to save you from yourselves.

>>30776272
Nothing wrong with reloading, I fucking reload (sometimes), but for the vast majority of shooters its just not worth the money and the investment of not only actually reloading but learning how to reload so they dont blow their gun up or worse because they overloaded or just plain put the wrong fucking powder in.

Nothing wrong with buying factory rounds.

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Yes i do use Tula. Even in my SVD. Works fine. I dont use pussy american weapons though. Only real ones.

>>30776146
he's offered a refund for anyone who's bought gt .223 but I think I'm going to power thru it

people with aks and ars with extended firing pins or heavy hammer springs have been getting better results

>>30768924
Yep. I would, and I do, and I have had zero problems.
That said, it's getting harder to find and prices are going up, so as far as I'm concerned, all of you guys should stop buying it so there's more for me at cheaper prices. Um... yeah, it tears up your barrel and jams miserably and it ejects through the pistol grip straight at your balls. Don't buy it...let me take the hit for ya.

>>30769307
You forgot to mention that the cost of replacement of the worn parts is less than the difference in the cost of ammo over the life of the gun. There is nothing wrong with steel cased ammo.

>>30776340
The manufacturer used 5.45 primers and didn't consider the impact that would have on AR users.