Outdoor Rifle

>> scar17

Hahhahhahahah. Good luck.

>>30767246
7.62x51 wont stop a charging grizzly bear. I wouldn't trust my life with it at least.

Get a 12 gauge with slugs or a .45-70 Marlin 1895.

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>>30767246
Hard to find today. Might change if FN ever ships.

That said, here is mine

I've had good luck, so far with an mtac scope. If you get one that's 1-4x, you can put it at 1x and functionally use it as a red dot for "defensive" purposes, while at 4x, you'll potshot a deer a tad easier.

The scar 17 will be a great choice. I have a 4x optic on mine but would be happy with higher magnification. If you need to kill giant fucking bears and a magazine of 308 won't do it then sure, supplement with a larger caliber. The 308 is an excellent all around caliber and the scar is an excellent platform.

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>>30767342
>this whole post

Well fudded.

>>30767246

I read stories of people killing bears with Ar 15s. Either way with 308, you have to aim for vitals and SPAM.

As for SCAR, choosing an optics is one of the hardest things to do with it. It can be a battle rifle, or a DMR if you shoot 168 grains through it. Weight is the main concern.

What is your budget?

Aimpoint T1/2 + Magnifier if you want CQB and Med range. ACOG + Reddot will work too.

1-8x if you want short-medium/long range. 1-8x PA at $1300 is good. Or Spend ~4k on a S&B short dot. March also makes one. Imho 6x is not really worth getting for a SCAR, might as well go 8x.

Next is 2.5-10x. Vortex PST or Nightfoce. 2.5 is useable for short range but not CQB, so you may need an offset red dot or irons. Nightforce is 2nd focal plane and is more expensive than the 2.5-10x32 Vortex. But NF is the SOCCOM issue for MK17s. Vortex has lifetime warranty and is under 1k.

Next we move on to DMR scopes. These go from 3-20x. A lot heavier, and will need a bipod to work well. You may not want to carry this around innawoods.

Then finally the 25x range. This may be too much mag and weight.

The standard SCAR mount is the ADM DELTA. It's under $200 at PA. It's a one piece made for SOCCOM's mk20, and levers can get flipped to left or right side to stay away from charging handle.

If it's only for self defense, you might as well save the money and just use irons. Aimpoint would be nice since it doesn't weigh much. If you walk around, a scope might not be a good idea. Carry more ammo instead.

>>30767246
>rear sight removed

anyone who goes out of their way to do that deserves to die

>>30767342
This. .30-06 is considered entry level for bear and moose, especially for defensive use, which are the two main large animal threats in AK, moose especially.

12ga or a bolt/lever gun in something like 30-06/44/etc. is far better if you're serious. A SCAR is basically just the mall ninja/try hard choice for those applications.
Don't get me wrong, the SCAR is awesome and all and I want one, but for your stated purposes it's overly expensive and ill fitting for those purposes.

>>30767532
>What is your budget?
$4,500 total give or take. I'd like to keep it around there.

>1-8x if you want short-medium/long range
I was thinking a bit about the Razor 1-6x. Do you know anything about these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jilqXipJFm0

>If you walk around, a scope might not be a good idea.
I am planning on hunting with it though.

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>>30767592
>30-06 is considered entry level for bear and moose
Good thing 7.62X51 has almost the exact same terminal ballistics.

>>30767636

Okay $4500 is good enough for everything all the way up to the Schmidt and Benders, so now you only have to consider Weight and Function.

The 1-6x razor is very good. Good glass, durable. But is heavy. 25oz vs 22oz of 1-8 S&B. However it is only ~$1200 so about 1/3 the cost. The FOV on 1x for the razor is phenomenal. Both these are 2nd focal plane. March has one that's 1st focal plane.

Well, you may want to consider a dedicated rifle for hunting and keep SCAR as defense. The reason it's so hard to choose a scope for SCAR is that it is so versatile and can fit many roles, but if you pick a jack of all trades scope, then it becomes heavy and a master of none.

I feel like 6x isn't enough for hunting, just from what I've read but I've never hunted before. You might want to go up to a 16x. There's a S&B that's 3-20x, so you can cover the low end of the mag range pretty well.

Personally I would stick with irons, get an aimpoint, or get the 1-8x PA, then also consider buying a 13" barrel assembly and getting a can with spare money.

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I agree with
>>30767592

The scar wouldn't be my fist choice for a general purpose Alaska rifle. A good bolt gun with bottom metal that takes AI mags and a 2.5x-10x scope would be my huckleberry. The chances of you finding parts for a Remington 700, Winchester model 70 or Ruger m77 are gonna be much better than for the scar. Something like a Glock 20 would cover the close range stuff well.

>>30767592
A semi-auto 308 is going to be a fuck of a lot more effective at defending yourself from large wildlife than a bolt-action 30-06. No fucking question.

>>30767757
>>30767592
>>30767342
>7.62x51 won't stop a bear
>choose a shotgun or a lever action instead
>30-06 has way more stoppin powah

Holy shit. Is this bait?

>>30767246
OP DO NOT listen to these fucking retards. I have actually lived in AK and hunted Grizz with .308. The cutoff caliber for hunting them is even lower than .30 cal. So a .308 would be more than sufficient. I have no idea where fudds come up with bullshit like this, but a SCAR would be an excellent rifle for stopping charging game. Rapid follow up shots of a hard hitting RIFLE round are better than a shotgun with slugs any day. People who've never even seen a bear like to wax poetic about fudd guns. The truth is, people have killed Grizzlies with multiple shots of 5.45 and moose with 10mm pistols.

>>30767824
I figured as much. I just wasn't going to respond to them. Sounded pretty damn fishy to me.
>>30767753
>you may want to consider a dedicated rifle for hunting and keep SCAR as defense
I've thought about that. Logistically however, I will not be able to take multiple rifles up there (it's a work thing). This is why I've decided on the 17s.
>I feel like 6x isn't enough for hunting
Okay, so a 1-8x would probably cover the bases better?

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>>30767824
I've hunted brown bear with a Sako bolt action chambered in 9.3x62mm for years. Never had a problem.

I've seen a brown bear literally shake it off and run almost a kilometer before bleeding out after a clean .308 hit. If I moved to Alaska and was looking for a bear-defense rifle, then fuck no I wouldn't pick a .308.

>>30767914
A grizzly isn't going to "shake off" half a magazine of .308.

>>30767874

Yes. 1x for every hundred yards. But for hunting a bit more mag might help you take a more precise shot. 1-8x is a good do it all, but master of none.

Some 16x scopes weigh only 24oz like Vortex PST. I don't know the weights for all scopes, so you'll have to dig for yourself on that one.

Another good option would be 2.5-10x + offset red dot. If you don't like offset dots, then 1-8x is better. Excuse me, I think the March might be 1-10x. Also consider what reticles are good for you.

1) 1-8x PA or S&B
2) 1-10x March
3) 2.5-10x Vortex or NF with offset RMR
4) Fixed mag 10x or 16x with offset RMR
5) 4-16x Vortex PST or similar S&B 3-20 (Razor Gen II is heavy), + offset RMR.
6) Irons or Aimpoint

That's in no particular order, and just some examples. You may choose another model based on reticle preference. IMO an rmr or true 1x will be useful if you ever get charged by an animal at close range, or a variable with good low mag at low end will help track moving targets at closer ranges.

>>30767940
You're not going to get off half a magazine, 2-3 rounds max if the damn thing comes charging at you in the bush.

>>30767940
>im going to dump half a clipazine into a charging bear into a high stress situation
t.range operator

FUCK I really want an AI Artic Warfare.

Should I just drop a 700 receiever into an airsoft Artic Warfare or stop being jewish and buy a real one?

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While mine is a 16, not a 17, I feel my setup is pretty much ideal for a do anything rifle build.

>>30767950
Awesome, thank you. Now I want to make it clear that the $4,500 is also for all of the accessories that I might need. Do you have any other recommendations for slings or otherwise? Is a light necessary? Should I ration money for something other than glass?

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>>30768006

>>30767975
>>30767960
Do you fuckers even know what "semi auto" even is?

>>30767757
>recommending a heavy accurized sniper rifle for a woods gun
It's like you've never hiked before.

>>30768006
>>30768017
nice desu senpai

>>30768019
Do you have any idea how fast a charging bear is?

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>>30767975
>>30767960
this dude literally killed a charging brown bear with an AK74

>>30768006

Your setup is heavy as fuck senpai. Lose the atlas. It's stuck between carbine and DMR. If you must have the bipod, then get a 2.5-10x at least.

BTW, cantilever mounts are not necessarily good on a scar with continuous rail.

>>30768009

Oh. In that case, forget about S&B, they are pricey. Japanese glass is almost as good as German. I forgot to mention other brands like Zeiss, Swarovski, Khales, etc. These are European, but have less expensive hunting/tactical scopes.

Also, if you plan on shooting past 600 yards, get the ADM Delta with 20moa offset. Otherwise you'll need a scope with at least 85-100 moa adjustment.

-PMM grips if you want after market. K2+ or MOE+ if you like tacky rubber.

-BFG padded slings is all I'll ever use. The padding makes wearing for a long time a breeze, and the adjustment is so fast.

-QD sling mounts from PMM. Or get those small wire loops from BFG so you can be more flexible and choose left or right side mounting without having to spend like $150 on QD mounts from PMM. Loops may not be as fast as QD, but they are still quick detach type.

- Yes. Try and get an upgraded trigger. Super Scars 25% off at PA a few times a year during major holiday. IMO, upgrade trigger first, then get a light, sling, glass/mount, finally other bling shit like grips, bipods and MREX rail.

>>30767992
buy a real one. they are worth, but if you go with the new model don't get a small firing pin version since there seems to be some shit going on with AI or at least that is how it seems with the current thread on SH.

just glad mine isn't having any issues with the stuteville bbl from EO. fucking laser with rem premier 175s

>>30768121
Right on. I really do appreciate the help.

>>30768187

You're welcome. I'll be here for a while more, so if you got a question, ask.

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>>30768025

How is a bolt action with detachable mags and a 2.5x-10x rifle scope a "heavy accurized sniper rifle?" This rifle is only 8.3 pounds and would be even lighter with a lower magnification scope.

>>30768187

Forgot to say, don't get HK hooks for slings. They will scratch up your sling mount points and aren't as strong. Wire loops or QD is fine. Another option is loop sling to rear of stock and buy a rail mounted QD (magpul, etc.) and use QD on front.

>>30768121

The point is to be stuck between carbine and DMR. That's the "do anything" part.

And yeah it's pretty heavy (vs say a nude AR) but almost all the crap on it is QD to adapt as needed.

1) Sling, doesn't matter it's a fucking strap you wrap on yourself. Get tacticool if you want, or don't.

2) 1-6 optic, ditch that non-mag shit you will thank me later. Trijicon, Primary Arms Platinum, SWFA, Vortex all fine.

3) lightweight light if you think you'll find yourself out after dark. TLR-1HL, M300, XC1, X300, etc.

4) NOTHING ELSE, START TAKING OFF NON-CRITICAL SHIT. MORE WEIGHT IS BAD.

>>30768237
>don't get HK hooks for slings
Yeah, I've actually learned that one myself.

>>30768017
>>30768245

Yea. Fair enough. Saw your 2nd picture later, and that looks fine.

I like how those stubby grips feel, but never liked that they make your profile higher when shooting over an obstacle like a car hood. Also, they make your barrel harder to stick through small openings. They are ergonomic though. How do you like the MREX? Is it heavy? Does the weight penalty worth the ergos gained?

>>30767824
This.

http://www.newsminer.com/news/alaska_news/man-uses-assault-rifle-to-kill-charging-bear-near-anchorage/article_3470e44a-f8b3-11e2-b51b-001a4bcf6878.html
>TRIGGER WARNING: "ASSAULT RIFLES" MENTIONED

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>>30768286

It's actually lighter than the Midwest extension I had on it beforehand and in addition to the ergos, I like running my light as far forward as possible. So yeah, I like it.

I've found it handy to actually brace the rifle against low cover stuff with the VFG. I think the best car hood approach would be to lay the rifle down canted for those shots anyway to minimize your profile as pictured in this screen grab from one of the VTAC videos.

>>30768383

And yes, I know the position of my charging handle would be in the way for that specific position. It's just an example.

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>>30767592
>>30767757
are you samefagging or are you both just goofy?

>don't get a scar they are tryhard ninja rifles
>but they are awesome and i want one
>use a glock when bear get close
>can't easily get parts for a SCAR even though they have been in mass production for 12 years
>get a bolt action for charging bears
>you're not serious about shooting bears or moose unless you have a bolt action or a shitgun
>the scar is overly expensive and ill fitting

You apparently know little about the SCAR and less about large game. OP has already selected the SCAR 17 as a high quality multipurpose battle rifle and he was asking for advice on accessories, not if you think it's a bad choice for a rifle. Just because $3k seems like some impossibly large amount of money for a young fellow such as yourself doesn't mean that responsible grownups can't spend $3k without an issue.
I got mine closer to $2k and it was like new, before the Feinstein shit. Guess it's gone up in value already, huh, bud.

>>30768327

fuck i hate the mainstream news outlets. And all the little ones that follow in their footsteps. disgusting fampai

>>30768383

How sturdy is the MREX? Especially with Atlas mounted to it? SCAR is a bit front heavy already with the polymer stock, does it make it a lot more so?

Yea that makes sense. I like shooting off bags sometimes at the range, so the grip annoyed me. And just maneuvering around, it kept getting hung up on things. I prefer a slick rail on my carbine anyway and personally, I didn't find it useful enough to keep.

>>30768478

They are the same as the .45 has 1 shot stoppNpowah crowd. Just ignore them.

>>30767246
Hunting rifle in a high caliber like 30-06, .300 win mag, .338 mag, 45-70 etc. An AR or SCAR won't do nothing to a charging bear doesn't matter if it's .223 or 7.62x51, perhaps nugget food might be effective if you can work dat bolt to quickly let off 2 rounds into the bear

>>30767950
1-8 or 1-10 anything but mk8?
I hope you like tunneling

>>30768569

Bad troll is bad. Ballistics of 7.62x54r is closer to 308 than 30-06.

>>30768121
Japanese and American glass, as in the material the lenses are made from are the best. Germany doesn't compete for that anymore. They import the glass.
Now they know how to grind a lens

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>>30768569
sure, pal. How many bears have you shot at?

Curious, what is hunting brown bear like?

Do they frequently charge you?

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>>30768478

I'm sorry you're so upset about people offering this guy a different point of view. Never once did I tell him not to get the SCAR. I merely stated it wouldn't be MY first choice for a rifle. I have, in fact, owned both a 16s and 17s and enjoyed both. The 17s is the flattest shooting .308 i've ever fired, but it sort of felt like a compromise between a carbine and a DMR type rifle. When I owned my 17s, magazines were nearly impossible to get and spare parts weren't easy to find either. Certainly less common than parts for an everyday bolt gun. The fact that he may find himself in rural Alaska is only gonna make that issue worse. Price was never even discussed as being an issue.

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For the weight fags here. This SCAR weighs in at 12lbs with a fully loaded mag. Keep in mind this has a heavier scope mount and the heaviest handguard extension on the market

sling, light and optic

>>30767532
fuck magnifiers always
in general, fuck 1-8x for the ridiculous cost and weight. I think 6x is perfectly strong enough for 600m shooting, and while .308 can go further, here in western north carolina you rarely get sight lines over 200m, and 400m is incredibly rare don't know where in alaska op will be

in cqb, you shouldn't be using your optic anyways. point shooting, practice it op. so i'd skip the 1-x power optics all together

so it really depends on Op's engagement distance
id do it based on regularlly expected shooting distance
>aimpoint pro for 200m in
>acog+rmr for 400m in
>sfwa ss hd 2.5x-10 for everything beyond that

>>30768620

You're right about that. Some S&Bs tunnel. But they are still the king of the glass world. There are cheaper options now that get close, but still not the same. Leuppy doesn't have any reticles that I like. I'm sure they are nice scopes, but not best bang for buck.

OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKzfgclu1js

This is a good channel to see how many scopes work through POV.

>>30768721
The 1-8 short dots have been poorly received.
Now the rest of their line is fucking tits

>>30768031
Yes. I know exactly how fast a charging bear is. Faster than a horse. Slower than a car on the freeway, and they tend to start their charges from a fair ways off. Do you have any idea how fast you can unload 20 shots into a bear-sized target with a semi-auto?

>>30767753
again, in 5 years of deer hunting in western NC, I've never ever seen a deer further than 200m
I know Alaska is a different environment, but how often do you anticipate shooting past 500m? because i'd shoot something with .308 @500m with a 6x.

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>>30768219
>Only 8.3lbs
That's a varmint contoured barreled action with an HS precision stock and a nightforce.
>Only 8.3lbs
Yah, nah.

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>>30768555

Pretty damn sturdy. Or at least it feels solid. I haven't thrown mine down a hill but I've got no reason to think it's less secure than any other product on the market. I own and don't use one of the KDG ACR style stocks because it felt a little less than trustworthy (plus I actually like the boot better) but the forend has been nothing but a joy.

As for weight distribution, got my shit out, did some in hand tests and I went ahead and made this just for you... All were with the bolt forward.

>>30767532
>2.5-10x. Vortex PST
>short range but not CQB

Run at 2.5X Turn Reticle on zoomed out full and your set. Its what's its like a mini-Red Dot and works Wonders for me on my SPR. Mine is First Focal though.

>>30768649

Yea glass is just glass. The raw material is the same, but lens alignment and grinding is what makes the Krauts known for their scope space magik.

>>30768700

It's heavy for patrol work senpai. On the range it's fine. You can make it work I'm sure, but it's not ideal. How is that ergo grip? I want to try one, but I heard it flexes so I stayed away.

>>30768718
>>30768753

Yea magnifiers aren't ideal. 1x for every 100 yards. 6x is fine, but the 1-8x PA makes is good for $ and gives you extra zoom without being too heavy like the Gen II Razor. SOCCOM uses 1.5-6 Elcan in Afghanistan. I think OP wants a do it all rifle so 1-8 or 1-10 is probably best. It's a variable, so you can always turn the zoom down, but you can't turn a 1-6x zoom UP.

Sometimes it's not about what you need, but what will give you the most flexibility and options. For hunting a fixed 10x is probably lighter and cheaper still. The military have been using fixed 10x for years, and only recently in mid 2000s changed to variables.

As for CQB, using a red dot will be more accurate than point shooting.

>>30768738

That's news to me. I just know they exist. What's wrong with them?

>>30768569
>SCAR won't do nothing to a charging bear
What a fucking retarded faggot.

>>30768811

The point I guess I'm making with that image is that the difference is near an inch or less across the board.

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>>30767992
>AI Artic Warfare Super Magnum
Dream Gun at the moment.

>>30768811

Thanks for the work senpai. I have a SCAR H so maybe that's a bit different. 308 barrel and all. With my atlas it feels sluggish. Maybe it's because I prefer lighter faster rifles nowadays.

Yea, I heard the ACR stock looks cool but is useless because the cheekweld is too low for the scar. Would you agree?

Ever think about SBR 10.5 that thing? Is it unwieldy with the can?

Do you happen to have a rifle with SSA/SSA-E installed? Is the Super Scar trigger closer to SSA or SSA-E? Thx.

>>30768817

For me CQB is room clearing. In an fast, tight, and dynamic environment the 2.5 will work but it's slow for me.

Variables even on 1x is not ideal for CQB for me because I found that even though the eye box is forgiving, it is still too limiting and less than ideal. A reflex is best for this type of work. Piggy back or offset rmr is welcomed but not necessary I guess.

>>30768819
I like ergo grips. The AR ergo grips flex a good deal. What I have is the ergo grip made for SCARs. Very rigid.
The weight is fine. I'm not trying to get a sub 10lb spr. The gym doesn't charge me extra to use the dumbbells.

>>30768801

It's a 17.5" varmint barrel in a mcmillan game scout. the game scout is only 2 pounds. There's one sitting on my tool box right now.

>>30768994
Dude, that rifle is heavier than 8.3 pounds. Show the proofs.

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>>30769023

I don't think the guy has any reason to lie about it. I have all but the optic and mount sitting on bench right now. It's pretty fucking light.

>>30768743
This

I just can't see a bear shrugging off 20 rounds of even 5.56mm. Even just some green tips (assuming you are aiming head/heart) are going to be breaking through bone and ripping apart parts of the bear that it needs to move it's muscles.

But yeah if you shoot it 100 times in the leg it's going to eat you.

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>>30769140

>>30768743
>>30769140

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuMuJy50Tx8

2:25 Yea. I don't think any living thing can survive magdump from 308 at vitals at close range.

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>>30767246
Stop being a pussy and buy a real mans weapon.

>>30769208

Holy fuck that's terrifying.

For some odd reason I have a sudden urge to take my AR15 out innawoods and get in between a bear and its cubs...

Wish me luck

>>30769208
Did I count 3 or 4 impacts and he still kept on coming?

>>30769218
Jeezuz christ, how old are you? Aren't you missing Wheel of Fortune?

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>>30769416
>Wheel of Fortune
No. Just missing your Mom and her oven.

>>30768819
>flexibility and options
and sometimes, I feel losing some of that in the name of weight or cost savings is worth while. 2.5x-10x would probably be the most versatile option. with an issued acog, I still am able to make very quick and accurate shots at 25m, and 15m in I would start point shooting. So there's just that little awkward space between the two where it's too far to point shoot but the magnification is an encumberance. so the 2.5x setting should be fine in there.
>>30768819
>12 pounds
>heavy
an m249 is 16 pounds, and hella uncomfortable without a foregrip thanks to the rail system the current ones have. and this isn't a 5.56 it's a .308. a fully kitted socom block 1 m4 is like 11 pounds.

>>30769404
I count three.

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>>30767246
The real issue here, as others have said, is in the optics choice. I think you have to understand that there's always some tradeoff when you choice optics, so be upfront with yourself on what you're willing to give up and how much. Image quality, robustness, short ranged performance, long ranged performance, weight, cost... those are all factors and non of them exist in a vacuum.

For me, I chose a balance that favors mid range (say, 50-300 yards) with good capabilities at the short and long ranges, at the cost of money and weight. For me and my eyes, that means a 1-8x optic - I chose the minox 1-8. Your needs may be different - a 1-6 might be fine for someone with different eyes. In that case, a vortex razor or kahles 1-6 would both be great (trade off here would be between weight and price). Maybe you favor lightweight and portability. A trijicon TR24 is very light, but the 4x is still fine for reach out to mid ranges.

Another thing to consider is magazines. I like to keep at least 10 mags for any rifle I would use defensively. That's $400 right there. Your needs may vary, but remember magazines are ultimately a consumable item.

>>30769748

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/viper_pst_riflescopes

Vortex 2.5-10x is only ~18oz. It's a good option for sure. ACOG is fine on AR, but I'm not sure it'll be okay on a Scar with it's 1.5inch eye relief. Might get scope eye if not careful.

CQB = room clearing for me. Yea 2.5 is fine for 25yards +.

http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-platinum-series-18x24mm-riflescope-with-advanced-mil-reticle/p/pa1-8x24ffp-ad-mil/

~26oz for 1-8x. That's pretty good compared to 25oz Razor 1-6x.

For an average hunter, it's heavy. Not everyone does PT and patrols everyday. OZs = pounds.

>>30770329

How its that BCM grip? Does it flex on the scar due to the material they had to file off?

>>30770467
I'm a big fan of the BCM grips. I have them on almost all my rifles. I didn't want to mess aground with filing material, so I ordered a pre-modified one from parker mountain machine. Once mounted it's been rock solid.

>>30770555

That's what I meant. PMM has to file and fit it to the SCAR. I'm considering that or a K2+. How is the grippiness since there's no texture on backside?

>>30770631
It's been fine for me. The side texture and front serrations have been more than enough traction for me. I haven't used the K2+ though, so can't say how they compare, though personally, I'm not too keen on the somewhat abrupt angle change on the backstrap.

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Why are SCARs so scarce right now?

>>30770723
panic buying and meme rifle status inflating the price

get one of those chink-made tavors or something instead

>>30767824
This

Also a decent compensator to allow for those rapid follow up shots. And practice.

>>30770723
Few, very few, have made it into the US in like the last nine months.

Add in people panicking....

>>30770892
>Few, very few, have made it into the US in like the last nine months
What's going on? Does FN produce them in Belgium still?

>>30770915
Yes.
Also demand from governments has been pretty high.

>>30770892
can you expand on this? provide some import data?

>>30770676

Yea. You can't get as high of a grip, but what you do get is more finger-LOP for your finger so that you're not hooking the trigger. It is good for keeping your hand aligned to trigger, but it's most comfortable with a short arm-LOP weapon, like if you have the stock all the way collapsed for CQB. I like the texture on my K2 though.

I want to try the Mod 3 for a higher more aggressive grip.

>>30771038

Fn doesn't make that many to keep prices high. They import uppers (the serialized part) from belgium, then finish it here with 922r parts as far as I know. The military ones are made here 100% due to federal law. No one has import data, just look at the market prices and you'd already know. Also you can email and ask a bunch of retailers and shops, and they'll tell you they can't get any for almost a year.

>>30770378
get a ta11. the .5 mag loss, extra size are totally worth the extra 1.5 inches of eye relief.

>>30771444

Pst 2.5-10 has 47 ft FOV, TA11 has 29ft

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3b.php?pid=TA11

http://www.vortexoptics.com/category/viper_pst_riflescopes

TA31 is good for its durability and FOV, but TA11 has bad FOV and less mag. I think there are much better modern options out there.

>>30771601
Pst is also 1/3 the bottom mag on the low end

>>30771601
What about the VCOG?

>>30767246
Ignore all the retards.

5.45 and 5.56 have both brought down charging grizzlies. Just keep pulling the trigger till it's bowels evacuate.

I live near healy alaska and would prefer a quality .450 AR build over my 45-70. Not that I think my 45-70 is lacking. But a semi auto would be the difference between 3 shots off before a mauling or 8.

>>30773596

Not good bang for buck if I recall from reviews I've seen.

>>30767824
There's a gif floating around of a moose being KO'd by a glock .40

>>30767975
>pulling a trigger is hard

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>>30767342
>7.62x51 wont stop a charging grizzly bear
>Get a 12 gauge or a Marlin 1895

>>30774823
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1XlsskYmY

>>30776226
It's better with sound.

>>30775623
Those do deliver higher foot lbs with heavy projectiles that are more likely to get the penetration required to stop a bear.

But sure, you may continue to roll around in your LOL REAL EFFN NATO XXDDDD memes if you'd like. It's not like there are generations of experience telling us heavy high energy brush cartridges are best for bear attacks or anything.

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>>30776249
Are you retarded or trolling?

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>>30767342
>7.62x51 wont stop a charging grizzly bear
>>30776249
>fudds will defend this

>>30776249
Kill. Your. Self.

>>30767246
I don't have much experience with that rifle but I live in Alaska and my protection guns are a super redhawk in 44 and a nugget. When in the woods, simpler is better. Make sure you can operate the rifle with heavy gloves on and that the gun will work no matter how much dirt or snow gets inside. Aside from that, if the gun is for bears all you need is a sling.

>>30776231
Fair enough

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>>30776249
At 100 yards the effective ft/lbs energy transfer of a 405 gr. 45-70 is around 3,000 to 3,100. A .308 at 100 yards is 2,720. It's really not that big of a handicap for the 7.62, especially considering the fact that it retains more energy at further distances, is more accurate, has lower recoil, and in the case of this thread is semi-automatic with 20 round magazines. Do what you like of course. My opinion? A SCAR 17 is about the best I could hope for to fit OP's role.

>>30768286
>when shooting over an obstacle like a car hood. Also, they make your barrel harder to stick through small openings.
I guarantee you've never done either of these so why are you concerned

>>30767246
>A SCAR
>Not an FAL
Wew

>>30768569
>can work dat bolt
You know what's a sure fire way to prove you don't know what the fuck you're talking about?

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>>30776639
this

>>30776612

How would you know? I guessing from your condescending tone of voice that you think I mean in a combat situation. Then no.

Competition shooters frequently are required to shoot through barriers, including car windows, over car hoods, small cut outs in wood barricades, during many stages.

Don't be /k/ancer. Drop your smugness and actually learn about stuff.

>>30767246
>scar
Galil and Valmet were the only rifles that survived the SWAT magazine testing.

>>30768921

Yeah, there were a few things I didn't like about the ACR stock. It looks neat though.

I'm just not a fan of SBR balistics for shooting at ranges greater than 200 yards. Might not have much basis but it's a thing for me. Plus the legal aspect of moving NFA shit from state to state. The SCAR does a lot of traveling. The can doesn't make it particularly unwieldy (especially with the bipod off) but that's mostly because the Omega is a pretty damn light can, all considered.

As for the SSA/SSA-E, no. I've got a few drop in AR triggers (CMC mostly) but I only put a geissele in my SCAR.

>>30777284
not op; but what does that mean?

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>>30777284
>SWAT magazine
Oh noes. Please, someone tell SOCOM.

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>>30777284
>>30777624
http://imgur.com/gallery/uLfvt

>>30767757
what gun is that?

>>30768040
That's not an AK-74.

>>30777616

A 2nd barrel is always an option. Just 4 screws.


>>30778063

AWP. MLG 360 NO SCOPE FAGGOT.

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>>30778120
Uh, yeah it's a picture of Ivarr Bergmann, who used an AK-74 to kill a bear. Quit being retarded.

>>30777284
>>30778015
>1986
Anything with more modern rifles? Scar was made late 2000s I think.

>>30778170
THAT is an AK-74. This: >>30768040 isn't.

>>30768006
>>30768017
that gun makes me all giddy inside

>>30778227
Started development in like 2002 after FN finally got fed up trying to make an FAL I to what the SCAR is today. Came out for civvie consumption something like 2007?

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>>30778584
>>30778584
>THAT is an AK-74

Hey, you're retarded.

The post >>30768040 never claimed that there was an AK in the picture.

>>30777284
>SWAT Magazine
>1986 test
>SCAR not tested
>rifles that win are in the wrong caliber
>suggesting a rifle when OP clearly already picked one

Everything about your post is dimwitted.

>>30778166

Yeah but the fuckers cost as much as a new gun. Seriously, over a grand for the barrel and gas block assembly.

>>30778635

Me too, anon. Every time I pick it up.

>>30778690
And I was only responding to: >>30778170 and referring to: >>30768040 because I'm not: >>30778120