Body Armor

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>>30767203
>by the way the 3 "a" is just a marketing term.
False. Shut the fuck up if you don't know jack shit.

Levels 1-3A are SOFT ARMOR ratings, designed to stop frag and pistol caliber rounds.

Levels 3-4 are HARD ARMOR ratings, designed to protect from intermediate and full-size rifle rounds.

I assume you mistook III-A with the recently popped "III+" and "++" ratings, which are not official NIJ levels. They're just a fancy way of the manufacturers to say that their armor exceeds Lv III protection requirements, but do not fulfill the Lv IV requirements.

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>>30767169
There's dozens of those "concealable" kevlar and dyneema vests on the market. Just choose your poison.

That being said, there are also these super-slim plate carrier options, that while almost require you to use a metal plate to stay sleek, would still be easily concealed, and would protect from rifle rounds + anything lesser..

>>30767203
AR500 is fucking awesome what are you talking about?

>Huge easy menu, fairly fast trackable delivery, dozens of live youtube videos showing their exact level of protection for whatever type of ammo you may ever get shot by so you can know exactly what it will stop. Also the spalding is a very nice touch both in normal and +coatings

>wearing hard body armor above IIIA underneath clothes
Uh what? How huge is your outfit?

>>30767300
Any other surprising exceptions like the speed of M193 not going through barriers well but still penetrating level III hard armor?

>>30767365
Links? Never heard of this concealable level III hard armor gypsy magic

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>>30767459
just google "concealable plate carrier". There's tons of options nowadays.

>>30767370
not really that ridiculous. Some lightest kevlar vests could be easily hidden underneath a bit looser shirt, and any normal PC is meant to be worn on top of your outdoor clothes.

Then again, if you need to go that far, I'd ask why not just get a cheap Armor Carrier, like the good ol' Interceptor vest?

>>30767500
Assuming it's concealed and not for OH SHIT FIREFIGHT IMMIMENT wouldn't hardarmor be incredibly heavy and hot to walk around in vs soft IIIA?

But yeah if you're anticipating a mob of armed murderers coming, I agree with going with a carrier and some III+/IV ceramic and sparemags/sidearm holdster like the OP image

I bought a set from galls.com a few years back. You need to know your suit size.

They have sales all the time so there is no reason to spend over $300 on a vest new. If you plan to wear it a lot, get extra carriers because the cover is synthetic and doesn't do well in the heat.

>>30767631

any armor is going to be hot as fuck, it doesnt breathe.

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>>30767631
>Assuming it's concealed and not for OH SHIT FIREFIGHT IMMIMENT wouldn't hardarmor be incredibly heavy and hot to walk around in vs soft IIIA?
Sure thing, but it really depends on the assumed threat level you expect to face. If you believe that the worst you will have to deal with will be random NigNogs with "Glawk 40s" and sawnoffs, then even Lv2 kevlar would do just fine. The jump from 2 to 3A ain't too big, after all.

that being said, nowadays you can find modern multi-hit rated Lv3 hard plates that weight a mere 1 - 1.5kgs (2-3 pounds).

>>30767727
>that being said, nowadays you can find modern multi-hit rated Lv3 hard plates that weight a mere 1 - 1.5kgs (2-3 pounds
WHERE

>>30767863
start searching.

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>>30768099
>I made shit up now try to prove me wrong
>I'll just say you didn't look hard enough if there's no evidence of me being right

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>>30768128
>I cannot use Google / keep up with modern technology, so I must submit to being spoonfed
FTFY.

https://www.varusteleka.com/en/product/cpe-light-weight-armour-plate-nij-iii+-stand-alone/16512

Now scram.

>>30768128
>>30768255
>>30767863
Not that guy but here is some close stuff
http://bulletproofme.com/RP-Polyethylene.html

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>>30768255
>Extremely light weight, only 1,45 kg.
*cough*

>>30768165
>>30767727
>modern hard plates
>recommends UHMWPE unironically

>>30767727
What's the difference between II and IIIA besides the types of rounds they stop? Why go II?

>>30768300
They do seem way too light. What's wrong with them?

>>30768671
thicc

>>30768671
II can generally be lighter and thinner because they don't have to stop .44.

>>30768671
UHMWPE plates are thick and usually don't stop M855, 7.62x39 MSC, or other rounds with steel cores or penetrators.

>>30768702
How are UHMWPE plates rated III if they wont stop M193/M855?

>>30767300
Whar're the pros/cons of II vs IIA?

>>30768971
Level III doesn't require anything to stop 5.56. As a matter of fact, no current NIJ threat ratings require testing against 5.56/.223 threats. NIJ level III requires the armor to stop 6 shots of M80 ball as well as all the lower threats from levels I, IIa, II, IIIa, etc.

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>>30769006
II is all that IIa is, and more. It can take hotter 9mm and .357Mag rounds, and even occasionally stop lighter .44 Magnum bullets. Weight ain't that much different either, especially nowadays.

Nobody really makes or uses IIa armors anymore, as that's going to the vintage flakvest and steel-pot levels. Still better than nothing, but seriously: LvII is a great middle ground for daily wear.

>>30770001
That said, level IIIa is going to give you less pain on stopping that level II threat than if you wearing II. They say it still feels like a hit from a baseball bat and can still break ribs.

>>30770080
IIIA considerably thicker than II and heavier too I assume?

>>30770001
Don't slugs still kill through level III just because of the force? Seems kind of silly to say they won't penetrate when they cause so much damage without penetrating

>>30770165
Not necessarily. Newton's laws, etc. Depends on BFD and how wide of an area the impact can be spread over.

>>30770344
Is any level III armor stopping a magnum rifled slug at close/medium range?

Those rounds do take down bears

>>30770380
Straight up level III? All of the UHMWPE plates will do it. Even IIIa vests will stop slugs. Doc. Roberts describes it as being comparable to being hit with a fast pitch.

>>30770380
>>30770407
Reread and saw you said magnum. DocGKR's comment was in reference to standard slug loads, I believe. I don't think either will elicit an instantaneous stop.

>>30770407
Noone is getting hit by a 3" rifled magnum slug at close range while wearing soft body armor and survivng, too much force.

>>30770380
Level II soft armor stops all commercially produced shotgun slugs.

III will stop any homebrew AP slug even with steel penetrators.

They simply have too low velocity and too much frontal area.

>>30770490
I mean, you'll probably die of hemothorax. But that's over the course of hours, given no medical treatment.

>>30770165
Depends on whether there's enough backface deformation to still inflict a penetrating injury, but generally no.

There have been cases of things like broken ribs poking holes in important things and the shot guy dying later from that, and a small few cases of preexisting conditions causing a death because of taking a hit in the vest, but generally if the vest stops the round it won't do more than bruise.

>>30770474
All plates will stop all slugs.

All IIIA soft armor will stop all commercially produced slugs, even 3.5" ultra bearfucker loads.

>>30770626
By stop I meant you stopping someone by shooting them with the slug. Sorry for the ambiguous verbiage.

>>30770626
>All plates will stop all slugs.
and the lead splatter will take off your jaw

>>30770603
>and a small few cases of preexisting conditions causing a death because of taking a hit in the vest
Sure, but even beanbag rounds can kill a guy in some of those cases, causes the heart to stop.

>I remember that shit from Jackass the Movie when they made sure to shoot him in the abdomen to avoid that and had him sign one hell of a waiver first anyways

>>30770574
Combine that with the fact that noone is getting hit with that and continuing to fight or even stay on their feet and my point still stands. Body armor is useless against a magnum slug.

Curious what happens with level IV ceramic plates though. Don't they absorb and dissipate the force better while breaking?

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What kind of plate carrier does /k/ own? I'm going to invest in one soon and need some oponions.

Kind of want an XL SAPI carrier compatible with side plates.

>>30770811
OP pic looks pretty sexy, get that with some III+ front/back plates and 2 curved III+ side plates

>>30770852
desu I'll probably double up ar500 plates since I can't into sprinting anyway.

>>30770796
>Combine that with the fact that noone is getting hit with that and continuing to fight or even stay on their feet and my point still stands. Body armor is useless against a magnum slug.
That's not necessarily the case. Adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

http://articles.philly.com/2000-03-25/news/25606757_1_bulletproof-vest-body-armor-police-officer

This is presumably a regular slug but how much harder is a magnum slug going? If 2&3/4" slug "feels like a punch" then how likely is a magnum slug to drop a guy?

On a rigid plate the BFD will be acceptable and the force will be spread across a lot of plate area. You'll be fine for sure in a level IV or even level III plate.

>>30770811
I got a LBT 6094. Mayflower is good and not too expensive. Buying new is going to cost more than used, though. Also OP's image is a fucking abortion, just say no to nylon holsters.

>>30770811
Eagle land CIRAS with soft armor and actual real-deal ESAPI front, back, and side plates.

It's a heavy fucker.

>>30770652
Yeah. I know.

If they are wearing lvl2 soft armor or better, odds are it will not take them out of the fight. If they are wearing any kind of plate, it is guaranteed to not take them out of the fight

>>30770678
Yeah no

>>30770973
What's wrong with nylon?

>>30771170
Nylon holsters are floppy and have questionable retention. If you undo the snap it becomes basically a gun sack, jump up and down once and the pistol's coming out even if the holster is vertical (muzzle down). The holster may not stay open if you need to reholster and the gun may not stay in the holster on its own while you do the snap if the holster is horizontal, making it a 2handed reholster process.

Also chest mounted holsters are suboptimal for most things, they're really a specialized carry method. 95% of the time carrying on your hip makes more sense.

>>30770973
Nowhere in that article does it say the gun or the round fired. Could've been shot with a .45 and the author just called it a "slug" the way typical no-guns do.

>>30771230
There's multiple strings, velcros and button options on that nylon holster in OP's pic depending on how secure/easy to draw you want your sidearm

Agreed chest holsters aren't the best, but they're not 100% worse either. For example, with side plates in and a hip holster right below them, some serious uncomfortability from the plate being jammed into your side or your sidearm being knocked off can happen anytime you crouch

>>30771252
You're right, I just reread it. I remember hearing that once of Second Chance's saves involved a shotgun with slugs but I can't find the details.

>>30771328
The point being that even after I unsnap the holster, defeating all the retention mechanisms, I want the gun to stay in it without my hand on it. Reholstering a gun one handing into a nylon holster is pretty fiddly.

>>30771371
True about the chest holder, but I still think it's a tradeoff with the hip holster running into side plates and interfering with mobility.

Whatever floats thy boat in the end.

>>30771462
That's what a short drop belt loop is for. Or wearing your side plates high, the way they're supposed to be.

>>30771462
Side plates should ride high enough to clear a full frame pistol in an owb holster if the vest fits right.

And if you're built weird or your vest is too big, pretty much everyone that makes a holster worth using makes a jacket slot version that rides ~2" lower.

Chest holsters blow dick for anything but riding in a gun turret.

Hey guys I don't know much about body armour (im some foreign scum who cant buy cool shit) are all Type II's lacking plates? And what are plates made of? Only ceramic or other materials?

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>>30767365
Before anyone ask, that ones a first spear slick.

Ferro concepts makes a slickster thats slick.
The pig brig is teeny tiny. Fuck, there's probabaly 5 more decent super slick minimalist carriers. But ceramic plates, the thinnest ones under $300 a piece are still 18mm thick, versus 6mm thick lvl 2 soft. Im on the fence about edc of a lvl 2 soft vest
>>30767370
http://www.ar500armor.com/level-3-recall.html

This has happened 3 times. Steel is shit, and ar500 the company is extra shitty

>>30767437
Really anything travellig over 3000 fps will eat steel

>>30767863
Polyethelene plates like one anon posted exceed lvl 3 (so 3+ but who knows what that entails) and are 4 pounds. But they're thicker than ceramics and susceptible to high and low temperatures (-20 and 150 farenhiet i believe)

>>30768671
II is lighter and thinner. I myself figure the lighter and easier to conceal, the more likely ill wear it

>>30770145
Only ~2-4mm. And there are a few expensive IIIa that are 6.5mm thick. But II tops out at 6mm and gets thinner.

As for hardplates, multicurves in a fitted slick, meaning a pc specifically designed around that plate cut hid under a jacket kinda sorta.

>>30770811
First spear stt not very practical, but I train in it and keep it near by because we dont get issued iotvs or plates at my unit (NG) and if shit hits the fan and we can get supplied, Im still ready to go.
>xl
I know what you're thinking and no. Protecting your gut is less important in a fire fight then your ability to bend over. Measure the distance of your nipples, covering them both. Whatever width that is, match it up to the width of your proper plate size.

>>30771117
when soft lead hits a steel plate it will splatter
the germans figured this out and added a throat protector to their armor all the way back in 1916 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5rxq7ZXVws 11:30 ish

>>30771597
III and III+ are steel plates, IV is ceramic, IIIA and below are soft lightweight kevlar

>>30772448
Fantastic, thank you /k/ommando

>>30767169
>any suggestions/experience?
put it on and then go jump in a deep body of water.

Buy ad-space if you want to advertize your overpriced annealed scrapmetal.

>>30772498
Why do anons always make up these incomprehensible but aggressive "kill yourself" posts?

>>30772498
>Buy ad-space if you want to advertize your overpriced annealed scrapmetal.
having a stroke m8?

>>30772240
You can add &t=11m30s to the end of a youtube link and it will start at 11(or w/e number) minutes, 30(or whatever number 1-60) seconds

>>30772513
They have low self esteem and feel better about themselves talking shit online. Eventually they realize they are dissatisfied with something in their life and then they stop acting childish.

>>30772240
So...dont use an uncoated steel plate?

I mean, even the poorest of the poorfags still get coated ar500

>>30772240
>>30772616
I wonder just how severe is the spalling is in reality? After all, the plates are usually carried inside a strong nylon shell?

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>>30770905
Double up on plates
Nope

Alright someone link me a Level II/IIIA carrier option that is as low profile/comfortable as possible. Price is not really an issue.

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>>30770001

>No 5.7

Out-dated as fuck...

>>30776599
No links because im on mobile, and lazy

Bulletproofme.com

>>30772448
>>30772473
He isn't right though. Level III and IV are just hard plate, not necessarily steel. Level III+ isn't a real standard. IIIa and below are gonna be soft armor.

>>30776423
Don't listen to this guy. Doubling up on plates is the easiest way to deal with common threats like .338 mag. Usually won't fit in a carrier but you just duck tape them to your torso.

>>30777287
>common threats like .338 mag
If Plan A is to take multiple .338 shots to the back, you really need to come up with a Plan B.

>>30777287
Doubling up on plates wouldn't do anything, if a plate is not rated to stop a treat it will not stop a double layer. When the north hollywood shootout bank robbers used double plates it didn't mean a damn thing.

>>30777329
Lol this

>so I'm getting shot by multiple .338 mag rounds to the chest...
Just consider yourself a corpse then. You also won't find body armor that can help you with a .50cal at point blank either

>>30777287
III is typically steel, IV is typically ceramic

III+ isn't official but I have shot a spare side plate with M193 and it stopped it, unlike III.

IIIA and below are varying thicknesses of light material that struggle with high speed rounds typically out of a rifle.

>>30777676
>III is typically steel
Not if you're shopping in the right places. There are a lot of non-steel level III plates out there. Just off the top of my head Paraclete, Velocity Systems, AMI, and DKX all make non-steel level III plates.

>>30777717
How do you trust armor you cant see tested dozens of times on youtube yourself though?

Not exactly going to go shoot my brand new armor with every caliber imaginable until 1 goes through and then rebuy another. Or is that what you do?

>>30777287
>taping plates to your chest
Gecko45 plz go

>>30777287
Ducktaping plates to my chest sounds painful...

>>30777819
Anon, youtube armor testing is the most fucktarded shit I've ever seen. None of those fuckers know how to secure a plate properly. No shit stuff doesn't penetrate when it hits at 20 degrees obliquity because youtube tards are too cheap to buy some fucking straps and just leave the plate propped up against a milk jug.

Buy plates from reputable manufacturers, preferably plates on the NIJ compliance list, and if they aren't or if you're worried about special threat, contact them and see if they'll email you independent lab testing results (not "we took them to the range and replicated NIJ conditions on our own").

Also I would take a Paraclete or Velocity Systems plate over some youtube tested plates any day of the week. These are companies that are focused primarily on the LE and Military market. They cannot bullshit their way into big contracts without meeting the requirements, while shitty steel companies like AR500 just need to befuddle or baffle uninformed citizens or private purchasing cops, none of whom have armor expertise. The military and large LE organizations have the funding and the ability to carry out more detailed and rigorous testing than some youtube guy in his backyard.

>>30778032
plenty of vids with the plates secured in body armor and receiving the same rounds, doesn't make a world of difference with a plate sitting against something as long as the backstop is reasonably similar. your plate in a carrier is not going to be cinched tight AF to your body anyway. I'd like to see the vast difference you speak of, when secured with straps vs taped up to a hunk of pork or whatever.

>>30777329
>>30777870
These guys get it.

>>30777546
>>30777653
>>30777959
These guys don't.

>>30778032
Don't bother anon. The people who think that watching regards shoot steel in their backyard is "just as good as" actual repeatable scientific testing like the NIJ are exactly the target consumer for steel plates. Same as the guys who buy RIP ammo and those stupid light Liberty rounds.

>>30778070
The more the plate is allowed to move the easier it is to stop a round. There's a reason why they have to be firmly affixed to a clay backer per NIJ testing specs. If the plate is not even taped down that's even worse, I've seen youtube "tests" where the plate is literally propped up and it flops over with each shot.

Also obliquity matters. Being hit at 20-30 degrees obliquity can change a lot about how armor performs, and some snake-oil armor companies will bullshit people by telling them their plates stop X round, without mentioning that this only works at 45 degrees obliquity and atypically low velocities.

Informal testing is no substitute for actual independent lab testing. Sure, some police departments can afford to do a little in house fucking around shooting old armor panels or whatever, but that's more of a sanity check and learning opportunity, not a major part of the acquisitions cycle. Buy some shit that's lab tested by actual pros, not some guy who's a software developer by trade and a weekend armor tester.

>>30778149
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfA3Qv9JjBA

So you call this a horrible test?

Is there anybody that offers level IIIA vests that you can add a front and back plate to if you need to but don't require or have a built in plate? Like so you can go from having IIIA to IV armor if you need to?

>>30778415
The way he has the plate secured is giving it obliquity. It still gets to wobble around. It's not nothing, but this is obviously not a substitute for real testing. Just because you can see it doesn't mean it's better.

>>30778415
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8vkighPlBoc
Heres a penetration one too

And dont make strawmen saying we buy RIP ammo, Federal HST is my go to.

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>>30778442
Velocity Systems' Low Profile Armor Carrier. Holds their own cut of concealable soft armor, and standard SAPI cut plates.

>>30778447
You're assuming we don't watch all the videos with extreme skepticism though. Vids like that one are 90% fine, you aren't going to consistently get shot at perfect 90 degree angles with no obstructions or moving of the plates in a firefight anyway

>>30778569
>You're assuming we don't watch all the videos with extreme skepticism though.

Not sure where you're going with this.

> Vids like that one are 90% fine, you aren't going to consistently get shot at perfect 90 degree angles with no obstructions or moving of the plates in a firefight anyway

Armor testing is done the way it is for a reason, just because something works a few times in informal test conditions doesn't mean it will in reality. The guys at Mid-South found that out when they had a fucking shoothouse shoot-through in which a SEAL from Team 5 was killed. Turns out that making a shoothouse without reading the reference materials, following DOD standards, or hiring a professional engineer and doing informal ballistic testing on the walls was not such a hot idea.

>>30778503
Will AR500 level III+ 10x12 plates and 6x8 side plates fit in there?

>>30778665
Probably mixing up who is talking to who but I have never seen anything bad about modern III+ AR500 plates.

>>30778788
It's a matter of time. People used to think steel level 3 was the ticket as recently as 2 years ago. Plus supplier inconsistency and recalls aren't helping.

>>30778864
What idiots thought that 2 years ago?

>>30767169

Kevlar with a plate insert is a better option. L3 protection soft, 4 hard.

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>>30776971
in case you didn't know, the chart does not even include the ancient 7.62x25 Tokarev. Both that and the "so-90s" 5.7 are known as armor killers for a reason. Just recently have manufacturers started creating 7.62x25 proof Lv-IIIA vests.

Also, it's way easier to get a Tokarev than the actually deadly 5.7 ammo.

>>30778773
Doesn't have side plate pockets by default. Don't fuck around with steel armor, especially not from AR500 "2 months of plates recalled" Armor. Steel is a very niche armor material. The only time I would personally consider using it is for super low visibility stuff in an area where all the bad guys are shooting 7.62x39. All those faggots who heard rumors about DSS issuing the Velocity Systems ULV steel overseas and then bought a set for CONUS use are retard wannabes.

>>30779010
To be honest, the same guys who think steel is the ticket now. I just looked on desuarchive and some of the retarded arguments were literally happening early 2015 and late 2014. IIRC the AR500 Armor level III+ only came out early 2015, as a reaction to youtube vids of M193 penetrating level III steel.

>>30774805
Not much at all, tests have been done with ballistics gel and it penetrates about as far as an airsoft BB:
http://www.sierra12.com/s12-home/spall-aka-the-big-splash

>>30780048
The spalling is enough to tear the shit out of a 500D cordura carrier. As in plates literally falling out. Spall is sharp, BBs are not. There's a reason why the newer generations of the Velocity Systems ULV carrier have kevlar lining around the edges of the platebags.

>>30780077
>Spall is sharp, BBs are not
And BBs have more mass and retain their velocity better. There's more that goes into how far shit will penetrate than just a single factor.

>>30780115
When it comes to passing through skin at relatively low energies sharpness is a key factor. Again this is an actual issue people who use steel plates professionally have seen and addressed. Just because someone did a backyard gel test doesn't invalidate real world results.

>>30780168
>Just because someone did a backyard gel test doesn't invalidate real world results.
Then post evidence of those real world results. Simply saying that designers in 1916 considered it to be a potential problem does not prove that it was ever actually a problem. There are plenty of examples of ridiculously over designed products from before there were easy ways to test all of the aspects that they might have to design the product to deal with, for example the Frommer Stop pistol where the designer thought a long recoil action was necessary to safely contain the pressure of a .32 ACP cartridge.

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>he doesn't own the whole IOTV
Better start doing some more exercise.

>>30767169
I bought some at the end of march, it's the end of july and I still haven't gotten my armor from them. I'm pretty angry

>>30770165
trauma pads are a thing

>>30767300
Anyone else bothered by the dragon being 30-06?

>>30780735
meh
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>>30780363
Is it actually worth getting an IOTV?

>>30770796
people have been shot with all sorts of shit amd continued to fight, without any armor.

>>30770811
I got a TAG Rampage. It's pretty nice, very minimalistic and doesn't fuck with bags, slings, etc too much.

>>30780325
This is not designers in 1916, this is actual armor products being used in the middle east. VelSyst also didn't originally include kevlar in the ULV carrier until end-users told them to. If it's sharp enough to tear up 500D cordura it's pretty darn sharp. Not life threatening but if you've been shot you really don't need to be leaking if you can avoid it.

>>30780848
No, nobody who got it issued liked it.

>>30780848
maingun has them for like $170 if you really want one.

>>30780971
I'm honestly just trying to find body armor that has the best performance. I have no problems with money, so I want to choose something that I can be safe in. I do know that the most expensive isn't the best.

>>30781016
If that's the case buy a nice armor carrier (Velocity Systems, First Spear, Crye) and put super ninja plates and soft armor in it.

>>30780943
>VelSyst also didn't originally include kevlar in the ULV carrier until end-users told them to
The product page on their website makes no mention of that.

>>30781256
It's a special order item IIRC. There's some discussion of it on Lightfighter. Might be in the Shadoworks section of the site.

>>30781256
>>30781294
Or I may be misremembering, might be from Primary & Secondary or something.

>>30781294
>>30781311
>it totally exists, but it's a special order item that they don't list on their website
>go dig around on various websites and you might find evidence of its existence
Got any actual evidence?

>>30781318
This is the best I got for you right now. http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/rfi-low-visibility-armor-systems

To be honest I don't know why you're so salty about this. It's a well established idea that spall and frag are bad things, is it really so shocking that someone would sew in reinforcing materials to prevent spall?

>>30781318
>>30781335
found this as well:
http://www.lightfighter.net/topic/velocity-ulv

took me like 5 minutes?

>>30781335
>To be honest I don't know why you're so salty about this. It's a well established idea that spall and frag are bad things
Because to many "well established idea" in the gun community have no real evidence to back them up, people have just repeated them so many times that everyone accepts them as fact.

>>30781349
That really doesn't prove your point for the reason stated above.

>>30781451
>Because to many "well established idea" in the gun community have no real evidence to back them up, people have just repeated them so many times that everyone accepts them as fact.

Fair enough but I don't think this is one of them. The amount of damage frag coming off a plate can do to cordura is enough to tell me I want no part of it. What's easier to cut with a knife, 500D Cordura or skin?

>That really doesn't prove your point for the reason stated above.

I mean, there's not going to be anything recent and searchable online about spall anymore, since almost nobody uses uncoated steel and those who do are not getting shot on the regular.

>>30781543
>What's easier to cut with a knife, 500D Cordura or skin?
The problem with that is the plate carrier is significantly closer to the plate than any skin that the fragments might hit and the fragments will be more tightly grouped when they hit they plate carrier than they will when they hit your arms/neck.

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>>30767631
>>30767715
I've posted this repeatedly. Too lazy to make new pics. Interceptor and BlackHawk rig. Heavy and hot as fuck, but with more protection comes less comfort.

>>30771748
blucarpet is spot on about AR500

Wearing armor soft and/or hard sucks ass in ways that are unimaginable. It's why I like to have the load out separate from the armor, I would rather not wear it. The coyote interceptor is more for nostalgia but someone might need it on the future.

Anyone bought from bulletproofme.com? Site seems legit. I'm looking to buy a pair of plates now then grab a vest later on.

>>30782093
bulletproofme is g2g

>>30770811
I ordered this: http://www.ar500armor.com/ar500-armor-urban-go-plate-carrier-w-level-iii-body-armor.html the night those cops got killed in Dallas. Still waiting for it. Not that great, no side plate option but I can always upgrade later.

>>30782093

I got my kevlar and ceramics from pulletproofme. Custom work and it ran over a grand but I'm very happy with what I got.

>>30782315
>>30782872
Thanks anons now I gotta break out the measuring tape and see how much fat I can trim from my wallet right now.

>>30778503
Is there a way to put 6x8 side plates on this carrier?

>>30783819
You can get it with a molle cummerbund with plate pockets but they only take 6x6 plates. I would consider using this on the default elastic cbund: http://www.skdtac.com/PIG-Elastic-Cummerbund-Sleeve-p/pig.611.htm

>>30783859
Those say they take 6x8 plates

Are those black plastic clips woven in required?

>>30783859
Lol are those unironically called PIG or what?

>>30784273
made for cops, pig is a joke name

What companies are known for the best quality armor? not just in terms of pricing. Ive heard Patriot armor is good, they have IV ceramics and seem nice, but I only recently got into armor and am looking around for the best I can get to save up for.

>>30770796
>Combine that with the fact that noone is getting hit with that and continuing to fight or even stay on their feet

thats a myth.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdqaM-zpOQ0&spfreload=10

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>>30782019
that's incorrect more protection with less weight costs an arm and a leg more.as far as cooling goes still waiting on a better solution then an eod liner

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>>30780363
IBA is comfier, and not in faggy colors.

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>>30780943
>No, nobody who got it issued liked it.
Nobody ever likes issued ANYTHING.
>baww, my rifle is too heavy!
>why do I gotta wear a helmet?
>these boots are too heavy!
>can't we just ditch these clunky NODs??

>>30786830
If you got issued Crye I think you'd like it

>>30786830
IT really restricts your movement.

>>30786830
>guy mixing DCU with UCP

I threw up a little in my mouth.

>>30784414
>>30784273

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