cfa-44 nosferatu

>>30766150
Because it's nt expensive enough which is why we're are going to stick with the F-22

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>>30766150
>not funding a FALKEN

>>30766150

Because the USA doesn't build planes that look like Su-27 derivatives.

Because it won't cost us billions after billions of tax dollars so we need to stick with the current one that does

>>30766206
They basically copied SU25 with F15 which is an unrefined SU27.

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>>30766735
>They basically copied SU25 with F15 which is an unrefined SU27.

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TFW America finally comes up with a Russian-esque design and we don't even build it.

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Why the FUCK are we not funding a Stonehenge in Ukraine?

>>30767033

Wat?

>>30766150
Because we have plenty of F-22s and F-15s which no one has managed to kill yet.

>>30766150
Because the drones were more effective than the plane deploying it

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>>30766165

"The F-22 will make us 100 billion dollars richer!"

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>>30766735
>They basically copied SU25 with F15 which is an unrefined SU27.

I can't exactly place my finger on it, but something tells me that you don't really know what you're talking about

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>>30767439
I had a brain fart and said SU25 instead of MiG25

>>30766150
BECAUSE THE JAPANESE AREN'T REAL FAGGOT.

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>>30767692
>I had a brain fart and said SU25 instead of MiG25

Even then, the F-15 isn't a copy. It was based on what the Americans mistakenly thought the Mig25 was, so really, it's an American original.

>"My god Jenkins, look at the wings on that thing! It must be some kind of advanced super-agile fighter."
>"Those crafty commies! We'll have to beat them at their own game."

meanwhile, in Russia:
>"finally, comically oversized engines are mounted."
>"..."
>"Shit, plane too haivy. Better give bigger wings."

>>30767818

They had performance numbers for the foxbat, but not all of them, and no idea of what it's doctrine would be. Once we got our hands on one via a defector, we figured out that it was a highly specialized interceptor for their air defense forces.

It's not a bad design, it's just that it's totally outside American experience and doctrine.

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>not wanting to be scarface

>>30766150
Because it is aerodynamically terrible and the F-22 is better.

>>30766150

That's the plane from the campaign that fires a dozen super-long-range missiles at once from VLS and also has a railgun.

Safe to say that's unrealistic.

>>30768174
I mean, a mini-missile pod isn't TOO far off, I think. Range would be crap as would the guidance but for Macrossing ground targets while minimizing misses it wouldn't be too bad.

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>>30766150
Because we ain't a bunch of slavs.
besides the ASF-X II is the most realistic.
>but but muh Camilia
you got fucked by a hired gun

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>>30768213
*Morgan

>>30768325
Well true, just without the massive TLS on its back

>>30766150
Because we don't have the Belkan rail-guns it comes with.

>>30768325
Interesting that they based it off of a Sukhoi and not an F-15 seeing as it was Pixy's machine. Though I'm pretty sure in canon he just stole it instead of having it developed for himself.

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>>30769811
F-15 clearly lacks aesthetics.

X-02 best planefu

>>30767081
Because the one we built in Georgia didn't make Russia happy...

>>30766150

F-15 ACTIVE called. Said your a bitch.

>>30769811
Hey friend.... You dead yet?

-Pixy

>>30767818

It wasn't meant to be super agile though. It's meant to be super fast so it can chase down spy planes.

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>>30771096
Which would be great if it hadn't been chasing the SR-71.
In Slead Driver SR-71 pilot Brian Shul writes that doing a recon run over Libya to assess strike damage, they received a launch warning of an incoming SAM. Shul decided to finish his recon pass at the proscribed speed (MACH 3) then turned north and pushed the throttles fully forward to avoid the Libyan SAM. As they crossed the coast, his copilot said, "Don't you think you should back it off a bit?" Shul realized he had left the throttles at full and thier SR-71 was travelling at 1.6 miles per second when he throttled back.

Doing some quick and dirty math, and knowing the speed of sound is 678 mph above 30,000 ft, Shul's SR-71 was traveling at roughly MACH 8.2 when he reduced power.

Soviet defector and MiG25 pilot Viktor Belenko confirmed this by saying publicly that attempts to intercept SR-71s were futile as the Blackbirds would often circle the Foxbats and toy with them before leaving.

>>30771552
>Soviet defector and MiG25 pilot Viktor Belenko confirmed this by saying publicly that attempts to intercept SR-71s were futile as the Blackbirds would often circle the Foxbats and toy with them before leaving.

This is the most delightful thing I have read all day

> Mach 8.2

Wat

>>30771701

Mach numbers get funny at high altitudes.

>>30771050
>Friend
>not Buddy

>>30771552
>Shul realized he had left the throttles at full and thier SR-71 was travelling at 1.6 miles per second when he throttled back.

Hmm. Interesting contradiction and subsequent nonsense in here. The story excerpt I see outside of 4chan is "a mile every 1.6 seconds, well over our mach 3.2 limit." The speed of sound drops with altitude, and a mile every 1.6 seconds is basically mach 3 at sea level. Unless those numbers are reversed, "1.6 miles per second" makes a lot more sense.

>>30771638
>MEEP MEEP

>>30772177
1.6mi/s is like mach 7.6

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>>3077155
>wienn yur MIG is like borscht fall from mouth

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>>30770218

>>30771552
>Mach 8.2
>Way over Hypersonic

fucking please

>>30771552
>roughly MACH 8.2
ur WAY off
a better guess would be mach 5 or less.

mach8.2 is like 6000mph you nigger

>>30771552
its top speed is 2,200mph
an S-75 Dvina flies at 2,700mph

>>30775036
2,200 is the posted top speed.
The sr71 cruised at 2,000mph for hours at a time.
Considering that one guy pinned the throttle for like 2 min straight, about 2600mph would be a good guess for top speed.

That missile would not be able to close the gap in time

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>>30768110
>>30768213
>>30768325
>>30774532

You're all wrong. THIS is what we should be funding.

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>implying we should be funding innaspace

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>>30766735

>>30771552
Ok then, so is the myth true that if it flew over the USSR, they wouldn't be able to shoot it down? The idea in my head right now is getting me a bit giddy.

>>30775215
I don't know, I couldn't really find anything to back up what he's saying. Any citations about this?

>>30768018
It is also reputed to be expensive to maintain due to the monster engines. It ultimately was not a very successful design.

>>30775215
From what I understand about the SR-71 it was just too damn fast. By the time you saw it it was already to late sort of thing.

>>30766150
>ace combat child

You have to be 18 to post on this board

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Out of all the Ace Combat tech out there the one thing I really wish we'd seriously develop is the COFFIN system. And not just for planes.

>>30775284
Shut up nig nog. Ace combat is old gaem.

>>30775309
literal rule of cool

>>30775382
I don't know about you but a fully sealed cockpit that still lets you see and track everything going on around the plane sounds pretty good to me.

>>30775352
Go eat your breakfast cereal and kiss your mom goodbye as she goes to work, child. You have a long day ahead of you playing pokemon go and ace combat while patiently waiting for your chicken tendies dinner

>>30775441
Mfw this nigfag doesn't like tendies

>>30775394
Basically what a HMD does now.

>>30775309
I don't know about COFFIN but I can tell you one thing: VR is gonna play a huge role in aviation pretty soon. As soon as data links are capable of sending and receiving at the required speed.

Think about it. Planes without pilots have so many advantages. Especially if an alternative form of drive with greater mission endurance rolls around. More importantly though, you free up the cockpit area for more weapons or fuel. You remove the G force limitation imposed on maneuvers by pilots. You also remove the risk of pilots being killed or captured.

I can't wait.

>>30775577
I laugh at posts like these.

They're cute.

>>30775535
Can't literally see through the bottom of your aircraft with that though. With COFFIN you're basically in a sphere of monitors displaying and tracking literally everything around the aircraft with minimal visual obstructions in the cockpit, basically your seat and the control console.

Only thing I'd make sure of is that at least the forward-most screen can be ditched or retracted to reveal a traditional cockpit material window in the event of a electronics failure.

>>30775577
If we get to a point where data transmission rates and other things make it worth swapping manned for unmanned it will also have to be something REALLY hard if not impossible to jam. Even if we crap out AIs they'll still need to phone home fairly regularly (assuming they're not bombing it in a terminator scenario). I don't think we'll be getting rid of manned aircraft any time soon desu.

If/when we get to that point my bet it instead of VR goggles each pilot's station will be like a flight trainer but very much like COFFIN for it's field of view. Cameras integrated into the hull of the aircraft covering most directions is something I would be downright amazed if we never do for that sort of setup. Throw in a system capable of visually IDing targets through those cameras alongside traditional methods and you're golden assuming it all works properly. That guy in the stealth aircraft can't exactly go invisible (yet).

Semi-unrelated: Can any BVR air combat experts answer a question for me real quick? How does stealth factor into BVR? Assuming both sides use good quality stealth aircraft can BVR still reliably happen with hard to detect aircraft or is that the sort of thing to force much closer encounters where making visual contact might be a decider?

>>30775577
>i cant wait
creaming your pants over this shit huh, you little fuck. ill have you know that i served in the air force and i saw shit that would give you nightmares, kid. you 'cant wait' huh? you cant even begin to fucking imagine the horrors of war. i was there. i saw it all. hiroshima. nagasaki. do you think this is a motherfucking game? millions - literally millions of people die every day, in part by war planes. and here you are thinking that 'you can't wait.' fucking faggot. when i become ace one commander im going to have my predator drones smite people like you off the face of the earth. i have had it with you filth. you armchair air force dick sucking faggots dont even deserve to live. i have a friend in the navy seals with over 300+ confirmed kills and a network of hacker spies that can track you down anywhere on planet Earth, bitch. you are finished you little cunt.

>>30775748
Can you do it after I get Artificial Academy 2 installed? This jap localization stuff is a bitch.

>>30775695
>Can't literally see through the bottom of your aircraft with that though

Yes you can.

F-35's HMD does that right now.

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>>30775695
>>30775767

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>ayy lmao
Make it happen.

>>30766150

It's too Russian...

But dang, does a Russian silhouette look sexy with a USAF paint job.

>>30775695
>Semi-unrelated: Can any BVR air combat experts answer a question for me real quick? How does stealth factor into BVR? Assuming both sides use good quality stealth aircraft can BVR still reliably happen with hard to detect aircraft or is that the sort of thing to force much closer encounters where making visual contact might be a decider?

BVR will still happen, but what you'll most likely see is drones or stealth fighters staggered forward and aft; some operate as active sensors / bait. If they get engaged from BVR distances, they can so passive and disappear from the missile's FOV while their friends engage silently from behind it, if the enemy tries to get closer (so that the stealth fighter is already in range of missile terminal guidance) and the active stealth fighter sees it, it can engage.

In other words, any advanced fighter engaging a stealth fighter will either have to get close to it to engage (which is hard because the world is 3D and nothing says you're necessarily pointed at the enemy - many people forget this) or rely on data links to engage, and in general, more missiles will have to be used per stealth fighter than non-stealth fighter, simply because the relative effects of countermeasures is greater; it's easier to hide a mouse behind a rock than an elephant.

>Even if we crap out AIs they'll still need to phone home fairly regularly (assuming they're not bombing it in a terminator scenario). I don't think we'll be getting rid of manned aircraft any time soon desu.

Not necessarily; if you can produce well defined rules of engagement (set up kill boxes and rigid IFF procedures) and implement teamwork in its programming, an AI fighter can do quite well without phoning home, at least assuming that the jamming doesn't follow it all the way back to home.

>>30775781
>>30775767
Now how quickly can the pilot pan his view on that though? The idea is basically this done by multiple static cams across the hull (top, bottom, sides, rear, front) transmitting to screens covering the inside of the cockpit also displaying relevant info you'd typically find on your HUD and more. It also puts the cockpit under some metal.

I know /k/ generally hates any suggestions based on a games and whatnot but can you guys really not see the potential advantages of something like COFFIN?

Beyond aircraft imagine throwing something like this in a tank for the driver. Can literally look down and to the left and see the squirrel you're about to grease the treads with even though there's a bunch of steel between you and it. Can also pretty easily see that suspicious patch of disturbed soil off a little to the right where you saw Ahmed and Habib standing nervously yesterday. Still keep the traditional view method as a backup of course.

>>30775309
>>30775577
>>30775695
There are multiple generations of COFFIN in-universe though
If I remember right it was 3 generations, but there may be more in-betweens.
Gen 1 in the first pic basically amounted to 360-degree view from a fully encased cockpit using monitor banks, and was a hallmark of the ADF family
Gen 2 seemed to be applying Gen 1 through VR along with consolidating a lot of the mechanical controls in some way
Gen 3 was a straight up brain-jack into the aircraft

>>30775931
It's slaved to his head; wherever he looks the image appears with negligible latency - the sensors are stationary and are just having their footage spliced together; the webm was just a script demoing the field of view of the sensor.

>>30775266
Not only that but to even be able to reach its top speed it will burn out its engines in a few minutes and need to have them replaced.

>>30775931
No, I don't see any use for it at all.

Applying screens to an entire area is just a moneysink and a stupid way of doing something that already works.

/k/ has got to be the least imaginative board on the site sometimes.

>>30771552
>Shul's SR-71 was traveling at roughly MACH 8.2 when he reduced power.
Bullshit.
Only figure i have seen mentioned with this incident is 3.6+

>>30775036
With that low relative speed high altitude interception is unlikely, not to mention it starts losing speed once the main engine burns out.
While the SR-71 can keep cruising at Mach 3.5

>>30776535
>has obviously never seen a keltech thread

>>30775441
The last good Ace Combat gaimu came out in 2007, Ace Combat is oldgame

If any of you retards knew anything about anything, you'd know that the SR-71 can do only do Mach 3.5 max at 85,000ft.

You try and go any faster, and the engines can't deal.

>>30771552
Haven't read bullcrap like this in a while.

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>>30775130
>having a bridge that exposed

deep within the super-structure or bust.

>>30779032
>navigating when you can't see outside

look at this goofball

>>30766187
NEVER
EVER

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>>30779069
>not having remote displays

>>30779151
>flying in space without the benefit of mk 1 eyeballs

It's like you want to crash into a star

>>30779172
>crash into a star

If you manage to suddenly and accidentally crash into a star of all fucking things, no amount of perfect eyesight will help you.

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>>30775309
I fucking love COFFIN

FALKEN makes things so easily, but it's so fucking cool

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We should fund this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXadee4y5PQ

>>30779032
>putting structural weak points like windows on a starship when any action would take place well outside visual range anyway

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>>30779380
Fuck, Yukikaze had such great sound design.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OFS-5_L6G0

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>>30779435
I actually like Super Sylph more than Mave.

>>30779518
>not wanting to fly a fighter jet in a glass dildo

but why

>>30766187
That's a Polish plane, anon.

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>>30779172
You do realize the distances you're working with in space right?

>>30766150
It's too russian but the name sounds cool.

>>30766150
Why is there a motivation to remove rear wing? I don't know the technical term for it but what I mean is the second set that has the elevators or act as elevators.

>>30782483
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_wing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailless_aircraft

>>30782521
Thank you.

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>>30779518
They're both pretty sexy.

>>30780515
W-what, can you elaborate ?

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>>30766150
Did somebody say nosferatu?

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http://youtu.be/yuOSkNglFM8

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>>30775441
It's been around since 1992

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Who is excited for ac7

>>30771552
But it's not like the SR-71 was completely un-interceptible, MiG-31 squadrons managed it more than once, and one pilot claimed he got an IR tone.

>>30783611
Maybe if they released some information for it.

>>30784184
It would be nice

>>30776460
>Minutes
Boy, this gets shorter every time I hear it.
It did shorten the life of the engines at lower altitudes, drastically (reduced engine life to like a third if what it was) and manoeuvring was really hazardous to the air frame, but it wasn't like you'd fall out of the sky.

It was designed to be cheap and to do one job cheap - that job was intercepting bombers and fighters.
They didn't care about service life, nor did they care about manoeuvring, they just cared about getting to ceiling and getting to the combat radius.

Back in the hey day of the USSR, it was cheaper for them to manufacture multiple cheaper fast burn engines than one long term reliable engine.
They just had a massive manufacturing base and are still sitting on stockpiles of parts, because they would run a production line for engines and parts until an airframe went out of service.

It'll be interesting to see with their new engine for the PAK-FA if they follow the old method and try to rebuild their old manufacturing base for engines, use Chinese engines or start developing more reliable, longer service life engines like Western firms have.

>>30786290
The version I've heard is just that they can go up and thrash the engines for as long as they have fuel, but once they landed, the engines weren't really safe to use again.

>>30786405
It's not really that simple, engines have a typical service like and overall engine life.
The extra heat and force going through them would drastically reduce service life, especially on a climb, but not down to a single run.
It would not surprise me that the Russians rebuilt engines after every high burn flight, if you have the extra stock and manpower why not use it?
Modern day Russia, I don't know if they're still sitting on stockpiles of parts for the engines or replacement engines, so they may be more conservative if they were to fly any (IIRC Russia retired all theirs due to the death of the bomber interceptor role).

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Why arent we funding this?

>>30786510
Lack of dorsal armaments.

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>>30768213
>a hired gun

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Why is Belka so crazy

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>>30787079
Belka is the Germany we wish existed in real life