Are combat engineers considered POGs?

>>30750589
if your mos is not 03xx or 11xx you are not a grunt

You would fall under the category of Personnel other than grunts.

Behold the combat engineer
He neither combats nor engineers

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are m113 drivers considered POGs?

>>30750589
I'm not military but I never understood the POG/not POG thing especially since it includes any MOS that isn't 03xx or 11xx as >>30750592 said.

What's so special about infantry? I don't get it. They're just the most basic thing, they have no significant battlefield responsibilities besides existing. Meanwhile special units like engineers, armored units, and cavalry units actually have a specific function that seems to be treated more like a guideline than a set rule so POGs are functionally not-POGs when they're available but have no job to do.

Plus it makes no sense that the stigma toward "being a POG" exists when the 18xx range of MOS exist.

I just don't get it.

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USArmy - POG is Person Other than Grunt.

Every other english speaking Army and Navy in the world the word is 'Pogue'.
A word whose history is lost in time.
Some believe it to be from the same origin as the Gaelic "Pog mo thoin" or Pogue Mahone = "kiss my arse" and meaning a fag or ass-seller.
Others use Pogo = Posted on Garrison Only, meaning never deployed in action.

So, CombatEngineers are POGs, probably Pogues, and occasionally even Pogos.

>>30750592
But 12Bs and 1371s usually spearheaded convoys in Afghanistan with all the IED-detecting shit.

>>30750634
grunts train for combat and typically see combat

POGs generally dont train as much and dont typically see combat

Of course there are exceptions to both of these.
POGs with a lot of combat experience under their belt or grunts that dont see shit in their whole enlistment.

I was a POG myself. I spent my deployment in Afghan doing semi grunt shit and never saw combat.

>>30750603
just blow shit up and watch

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13f best POG
Who wants to be an infantryman when you can be in the same platoon, not get stuck with the shitruck work, and have access to the most firepower in the platoon.

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>>30750589
Say that to my face. I dare you.

>>30750589
Similar to their MP nemesis the engineer is predominantly POG with a few companies that get lost on their way to the fob and get press ganged into doing some hardcore gangster shit.

>>30750589
Yes fucking POG

>>30750589
Personel
Other than
Grunt


YES. Even the medic in an Infantry olatoon is considered a POG.

>>30750589
>>30750679
>>30750728
>>30750592
Never in military but my buddy who was a foward observer is considered a POG.

The jokes on the grunts who only have basic infantry skills. My buddy is now in Marsoc and he said a big part was the technical skills he learned as a FO.

>>30750749
See >>30750704
He said right.

Milfags gonna Milfag.
If you aint a milfag. You probably wont ever understand it. Cause we dont even understand it.
Same as with branch rivalries.
But Im a civfag now. So fuck all of it

>>30750779
/thread

>>30750779
Still subject to recall for 2 years but at least the active and reserve nonsense is over with.

Grunts basically need an outlet from all the suck they get so they invented the word pog they're just hella salty don't worry about it too much

>>30750634
Role of the infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to seize and hold ground and repel attack, by day or by night, regardless of season, weather or terrain.

The training is the physically hardest to reflect this.
Grunts seek out combat, not just end up in it.
The role is to be the tip of the spear so to speak. Simply, the riflemans role is to kill the enemy. The snipers role is to kill the enemy. The mortarmans role is to kill the enemy. The recon infantrymans role is to find the enemy so the riflemen can kill him.
The engineers role is to build shit, to clear the way and support the grunts.
The artillerys role is to provide indirect fire to support the grunts.
Armour provide support to the grunts.
Sigs exist so the grunts can talk to each other and everyone else.

Grunts arent the role with the least responsibility
Theyre the lifeblood of any army

>>30750603
>>30750681
fuck you cunts

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>>30750634
>What's so special about infantry?

>>30750708
is that a big tractor or tiny men

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>>30750603

You know why bridges are built, right? And why they are exploded in wars?

>>30750634
Because everything that isn't infantry is there to support infantry. It's just a stupid trivial distinction, there's nothing wrong with being a POG.

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>>30750749
But that was simply a school they picked to send him to based on his background that played in well with his skill set. Much like how some of the grunts that (probably) went through at the same time as him had skills in their sets that helped them out. direct support MOSs do offer grunt type skills but at the same time its real 1000 level tasks. Nothing complicated or on the stage of supported company attacks.

>>30750589
>>30750634
The term "Grunt" is only considered to be something you wear with pride to grunts.

Signed,
0323

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>>30751816
Just imagine the skill set you need to be a grunt.

>Have to be good at fucking shit up.
>Don't think to long before doing stuff.
>Can carry an excessive amount of shit he will neither need nor use. And move it on foot through every type f terrain in (preferably) rain or extreme heat.
>Does not ask questions when told to do something.
>Always complains, yet always does what he has to.

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>>30751909
Hey....day to day.
"Are you little faggots complaining about the cold!!?? You think that the Marines at the Chosin reservoir complained about the god damn cold?....*moment of thought*...well they probably did, but they still got the fucking job done!!" My SDI dropping some realistic motivation way back in boot

Grunt actually stands for ground unit.

>>30751958
Not really.

>>30751958
Rest your barrel on your stomach pog

>>30753796
Yes really

>>30750608
how does the driver see out of this fucking thing

>>30751653

Massive combat bulldozer, it might be a D9 from caterpillar

>>30750589
Yeah but we love them anyway just like medics.

>>30750589
I might have been a "POG" but at least I wasn't a fobbit.

>>30751958
Wow, never knew that finance Airmen and maintainers weren't POGs. Crazy how I never saw any in my infantry unit.

>>30754200
It stands for Ground Roving Unit Network Terminator.

>>30750634
Insecurity.

They want to feel like they're infantry without actually being infantry. There's no shame in not being infantry, but they feel like they need to compare themselves to infantrymen.

If you are not SF, a medic, or an Infantryman, you are a POG

Get mad, stay mad fuckers

are marines pogs?

>>30755402
>peacetime infantry calling others mad

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>>30755633
>deployed infantryman
ftfy

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>All these people arguing about who had it the hardest.

Trying to win the pity party competition? POGlife.

>>30750589
They are, but they can see combat. Some can see lots of combat. Lots of them are like that actually.

POG isn't an insult. Only some people think it is.

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>>30754133
periscopes

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>that feel when you were an 11B that ETS'd out and no longer have to deal with this stupid shit

[spoiler]military spouses who try to carry their husbands rank are literally the worst thing about being in the miltary, even worse that the token Timmy Assfire Corporal.[/spoiler]

>>30755766

>113's

shittiest vehicle in the entire military

8 hours of maintenance just for 2 miles of operation before catastrophic EVERYTHING failure

>run over a soggy stick
>break track

>>30755809
>That wife who cares waaaaaaaaaaay too much about the FRG.

Once had a cool wife send the whole unit a care package, and the head FRG bitch flipped out because it had been done behind her back.

>>30750951
Ausfag detected

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>>30755835
May I introduce you to this beauty?

The fucking 2ID took these to Afghanistan, consequently you don't see them here anymore.

>>30750592
or 18?????

>>30755873

Loved being a driver for these

Chill as fuck job

Never had to dismount

Comfiest driver seat ever

Best taxi ever

>>30750951
>t.college dropout

>>30755935
How many phones, cigarettes, fleshlights, etc. did you lose in the hellhole?

I watched my PSG attempt to unbolt the floor of the Stryker to get a fucking carton of Marb Reds on week 1.5 at NTC.

>>30750679
Ever kill anyone?

>>30756035
>never saw combat

>>30756049
Right my bad... Not sure what I was thinking.

>>30756035
>>30756083

jesus, just fucking get out you useless cunt

>>30756049
doesn't mean he didn't kill someone m8

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>>30750951
>engineers clear the obstacle/construct bridges or bridgeheads (often under fire) so the infantry can fight
>artillery kills more people than infantry ever does. At best infantry pins them in place for the artillery to kill people. FOs even accompany infantry and do infantry shit while still doing their job.
>armor spear heads any large attack. Look at desert storm for a perfect example
>signals accompanies infantry and does infantry shit while carrying a radio and doing infantry shit. Or they get out in top of a hill in the middle of nowhere with a repeater.

Infantry are bodies to occupy space after big guns and other, more specialized, units have done their job.

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>>30755402
>>30755654
>tripfag in charge of being retarded as always

Are POGs ever called POSs as wordplay?

>>30750589
OK, here's the skinny on Grunts vs POGs

POG (as Personnel Other than Grunt) is a backronym. It used to be (and still is, in some places) 'pogue', which basically translates to a man who is receptive to anal sex.

In the Vietnam era, that term was used to describe personnel who did not actively fight. It was not MOS dependent and was used primarily by Marines, though the usage spread to the Army in time. An engineer disarming booby traps was not a pogue, a tank driver was not a pogue. A cook, though, or a mechanic, was a pogue because they never left base.

At the time, being infantry was not considered something to be proud of, since it meant you were literally too silly or ignorant to be worth anything more than a bullet sponge wielding a poorly-aimed rifle.

After Vietnam, there was a long period where the US military did not get into any wars and, consequently, morale and discipline began to waver, particularly among the infantry who didn't have interesting jobs, nor were they actually training for any looming conflict. To improve their morale and discipline, the brass encouraged infantry units to think of themselves and carry themselves in a manner befitting a proud, fighting, front-line unit.

From this point, Marine infantrymen re-defined the term and turned into the term 'POG' that we know today, albeit now excluding every non infantry MOS. As always, the Army adopted the term shortly after the Marines.

Nowadays, among the currently serving and among veterans, the term is met with mixed feelings. On one hand, it's a fun term to use to rip on your friends, but on the other hand, it demeans the brave experiences of thousands of combat veterans, many of whom saw more combat as truck drivers than most infantrymen fortunate enough to be stationed in quiet parts of Iraq.

Personally, I stopped using the term after my first deployment. (I was a Mortarman from 2003-2011.)

>>30750779
Truer words have never been spoken. Plus I was broken when I got out so I don't believe I can be recalled if WWIII breaks out...

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>>30750589
Got a 92% on a practice ASVAB, is that worth anything?

I'm an art major so I'm not exactly bright, but I want to things besides sculpting ugly girls.
I started running and eating better a few months ago so I'm not a complete fatass anymore, and I've gained a little muscle too (hoping for a non-combat role because I fear death but I'm not picky)

>>30750603
1371 where if you aren't blowing shit up you are building dumb shit.

>>30756476
A 92 is fucking fantastic. You could go pretty much whatever you want with that kind of score.

>>30750592
This is correct.

However it will be argued against due to the vast amounts of people that never knew what pog meant in the first place. It's a specific term often misinterpreted as an insult.

>>30756476
A 92? are you serious, I've never met anyone with a 92. You could probably go to the academy with that score. The world is your oyster friend

>>30750589
They aren't POGs but they aren't grunts.
They are combat arms, so Combat engineers are in the middleground.

Calling a sapper a POG is fucking retarded.

>>30750951
>The training is the physically hardest to reflect this.
Aside from all the training that is harder

>Theyre the lifeblood of any army
Nope, that would be logistics. Unless you want your grunts roving around fist fighting and scavenging from the enemy

I won't take away from the job but talking it up is gay

>>30757610
>hurr the only difference between 11B and the Rangers is the Rangers spend all their time doing faggy ass training!

Someday this meme will end.

>>30750779
lol


I was in the military and I still don't see why people care about branch rivalries.


Unless you're 18 years old and you drink the koolaid you're pretty dumb for caring.

It's just a job.

>>30757778
A good chunk of the interservice rivalries is poolees and boots trying to convince themselves that they made the right choice selecting the [USA/USN/USAF/USMC] instead of the [USA/USN/USAF/USMC].

The officer corps have their own version but it's more like Harvard vs. Yale bullshit.

>>30755760
lol found the black female supply specialist

>>30756505
>>30757418

I remember when I took the test, I looked at the book with all the scores on it at the recruiting station and one guy got a 98.

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>>30750589
If you want to be an engineer, do yourself a favor and go EOD. Army is overstrength atm, but try air force. You won't regret it.

>>30750951
>tfw you memorized that entire page, then you realize everyone else at the assessment session only memorized that paragraph because most of them could hardly read

ay lad.

>>30750673
Poor spelling

Leaving cert Irish triggered

>>30758417
Air Force is downsizing btuh

>>30750589

I thought that guy's name tape said "Bitches" for a second there.

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>>30750589
So engines have a place in the military but you want to define pog i did'nt capitalize because looks are important

>>30757813
Boots being faggots about their branch is understandable to an extent. The ones that are really insufferable are the guys who have been in the Nat Guard for 6 years and still spout that shit.

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>>30758181
>Took ASVAB in 2010 or 2011
>Everyone at school in my grade "had" to
>90-something overall
>99 in Electronics
>Navy still won't get off my dick about it
>Can't even enlist in first place due to medical shit

>>30760901
So join a police academy or you deaf too

>>30761050
I wasn't saying I wanted to enlist, it's just humorous that they wouldn't have been able to get me in the first place

>>30755953
What does t. mean?

>>30761231
>What does t. mean?
>t. clueless anon
what did he mean by this?

Field engineers are a combat trade. So are tankies. But neither are grunts. It's entirely a different role. So they are indeed pogs of a far lesser degree than the blanket folding variety

I don't mean this is all so bad, being a grunt sucks sometimes. People like engineers are in a strange place. They'll assault some buildings and talk shit to the infantry about how they probably do more grunt shit than them. I don't know if this is better or worse than someone like an aircraft technician who tries to tell you he was a "sharpshooter". Ok it's worse. But your blase camping/vcp approach to something like an op shows the difference in focus

>>30758424
>worked out the pay per week instead of fortnight and got treated like a smart-arse for it.

>>30750951
Yep... Ausfag. Even straight copypasta from the ADF Fairybook

>>30758604
Not EOD, they aren't. We have army techs laterally transferring to the air force.

anyone who isn't a combat arms Marine is a FILTHY POGUE and needs to gET THE FUCK OUT

>>30750634
It's just another way to bust balls. You get shot at and you kill the enemy, you make the hard decisions, you form a bond that people outside of that group can't really get. It's deserved, it just doesn't make anyone "better."

Every airborne soldier is worthless without the folks packing their parachutes. Every pilot worthless without the ground crew. Every grunt worthless without the supply and logistics folks procuring hardware and getting it moved to the front.

The whole thing worthless without cooks to keep people fed, engineers to build bases and intelligence folks to direct it all.

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>>30761231
Swedish for regards

>>30756505
At my flight in BMT at least two people had 99s, I personally had a 93, but I am also a linguist, so it works out.

>>30755402
Medics are pogs, fuck you mean nigga

>>30750704
Here here

>>30763573
As a 11B no one fuckes with the 68W, ours even fell in on our team when we were down a guy. I wouldve have considered him a POG but i guess it comes down to who the guy is,

>>30750634
The dummies have this trait where they're really proud of being dummies and will make fun of others for not being as dumb as them

>>30762948
Finnish

>>30760901
Same shit here man. Tell them the condition and they will fuck off. I told them as more of a question. "Would i be able to join since i have a spine injury?" "How severe is it" "well the doctors say it is degenerative but i can't remember if they told me what it was called. Essentially my spine didn't completely form at birth and then in football i fucked it up." "Oooo well sorry to hear that have a good day"

>>30750589
>Are combat engineers considered POGs?
is the so called "acronym" POG, pogue? you bet.

>>30760784
The fuck is that cancerous religious garbage you posted