Japan Orders MV-22 Ospreys.

File: 1469318941286.png (548KB, 700x700px) Image search: [Google]

548KB, 700x700px

These things are a fucking marvel of engineering. Seeing these in real life is amazing.

>>30736252
>Interesting. I thought the Japanese hated these things.
clearly you haven't watched enough ghost in the shell.

>>30736276
They fly out the local base, never get tired of watching them. Yank space magic is real.

>>30736276
>>30736338
They're over complicated maintenance nightmares. But I do miss working on them.

when you put 2 six thousand horsepower engines on something

You can make anything fly

Japs are probably bribed to agree to this

>>30736252
Japan saw how useful they were after the 2011 earthquake. That why they asked for them.

>>30736292
If the hollywoodized version turns out well we could see more of their aneems become part of US mainstream

>>30736338
>Yank space magic
that's because we steal alien tech for all our planes
All the money the went to the "F35" was really just more money for reverse engineering more alien shit.
The delays of the F35 however were to make it more believable when it comes out.

>>30736655
This is the plot for the new independence day

File: habu-005b.jpg (560KB, 900x600px) Image search: [Google]

560KB, 900x600px

>>30736338
No shit. Put this on ice, it freaked out the normies too much. Tell them it never carried nukes or missiles, just cameras, that'll make them feel better.

>>30736252
>Interesting. I thought the Japanese hated these things.
probably the okinawans lmao, those niggas are butthurt at anything american

>>30736252
They're MASSIVE. For Japan, which has plenty of land bases from which to fly, they give HUGE combat radii, not to mention their applications when dealing with islands, which seems to be somewhat important to Japan. This of course completely ignores the humanitarian benefits of having a large, fast helicopter with huge range. Overall, a good choice for Japan.

>>30736758
You'd be pretty butthurt too if drunk chinese soldiers came and raped/murdered your neighbors every once in a while

>>30736252
Those things used to kill more marines than enemy combatants, but they're not bad now.

Literal bitch to maintain though.

>>30736276

>These things are a fucking marvel of engineering.
Then why does it feel like it's falling out of the goddamn sky every five seconds when you ride in one?

t.Marine

>>30737042
That's normal. You know the P-3? It gained a reputation for being a vomit comet because turboprops at low altitude.

>>30737042
They used to literally fall out of the sky when you rode in one. It's all a matter of degrees.

>>30737000
except V-22's can't fucking hover above like 5000 ft
And japan is 75% mountains

They'd get way more usage out of buying some STOL planes

>>30737014
*drunk niggers

>>30737290
race is a social construct

>>30737302
>t. Tumblr

>>30737289
Most of Japan is below 5k feet.

And no, there are no STOL aircraft that can do what the V-22 does.

File: US_Navy_100126-N-6247V-171_A_U.S._Customs_and_Border_Patrol_helicopter_awaits_passengers_as_a_Navy_MV-22_Osprey_tilt-rotor_aircraft_lands_in_the_background_near_the_U.S._Embassy_in_Port-au-Prince,_Haiti.jpg (3MB, 4288x2848px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 4288x2848px

>>30737289
They seem to be used mainly in flatter areas such as coastal areas and urban environments. Great for disaster relief and naval patrols/deployments but if you want to go for mountainous areas I guess there's always the Blackhawk.

>>30736655
>Undercutting human achievement once again because you think we're too dumb to do ______

Just because you're too dumb to understand science and technology of the time, doesn't mean the entire civilization is.
It's like if you were a kid, and you finally understood a math problem, but the teacher cuts in and says God helped you understand that equation, not you or anyone helping you.

This fucking meme needs to die.

>>30737289
99.9% of the Japanese population is below 5k. Even Nagano and the surrounding ski resorts are only a kilometer in altitude (at their bases, obviously).

>>30737042
thank u for ur service

>>30737042
babby technology. The v-280 will be amazing too.

How long until we see the Ospreys fitted with talons?

File: headband.png (159KB, 344x309px) Image search: [Google]

159KB, 344x309px

>>30736747
holy shit is that real? i didnt know they had pictures of them

>>30737643
Long story short, now, and shortly. Currently they're literally throwing shit out the back, which does have steering fins and SALH guidance. They also do have some of those guns under the belly. However, they're in the process of putting a hell of a lot more on. Rocket pods have already been test fired in sufficient quantities, and some Griffon missiles have been as well. I heard some talk about Hellfires, but nothing about it since.

>>30737692
>literally throwing shit out the back
Are Marines secretly a bunch of Orks?

>>30737738
I mean, it works.

>>30737655
The nose of a Blackbird?

>>30737738
Haven't you seen the WW2 documentaries from the Pacific? You can clearly notice the Waaagh! going on.

>>30737042
tenk u for ur cervix

>>30737738
>scavenge battlefields for usable equipment to fix their broke ass vehicles and gear
>regularly get hand me downs from the Army that barely works but they make do
>their shit works from shear belief it will

Sounds pretty accurate

>>30736252
It looks like a mecha, of course they want it

>>30736252
More like
>US orders Japan to order MV-22 Ospreys

>>30737290
Forgot what you were supposed to be hating on halfway through the sentence huh? Don't worry, it happens to the best of us.

>>30737738
I don't really think that was ever much of a secret.

File: 5ba.jpg (75KB, 500x477px) Image search: [Google]

75KB, 500x477px

>>30736252
They've been wanting them for a while...

GiTS one step closer to real life completion.

okinawans just hates them because of US presence in okinawa, and they have a bad safety record so its more gas on the fire.

File: 1468958162448.jpg (101KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

101KB, 1920x1080px

>>30738479
For fuck's sake Japan...

>>30737042
thank you for your cervix

>>30737289
>except V-22's can't fucking hover above like 5000 ft

Are we pretending they were not used in Nepal after the quake last year?

>>30737042
Tengu for ur verbage.

File: Dornier Do 31.webm (2MB, 726x400px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 726x400px

>>30738472

File: Boeing-347-1[1].jpg (35KB, 700x526px) Image search: [Google]

35KB, 700x526px

Ospreys are STOVL aircraft. They suck at doing helicopter work.

Chinook beats it at everything but range and speed.

File: destroyer.jpg (58KB, 794x520px) Image search: [Google]

58KB, 794x520px

Question: could these takeoff/land from a japanese "destroyer"?

>>30741196
yes,but it is going to be interesting if they want to take off with full fuel and a real payload. The Osprey will need to get a rolling start.

>>30741196
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0vQQU50gdk

>>30741196
Have you heard my rant about how it IS in fact a DDH and not a CV? Because I really don't want to have to go through it again.

>>30741157
>except for range and speed

The two reasons the osprey is around?

>a helicopter is better than a tiltrotor at helicopter things

Yeah, no shit. The tiltrotor is better at plane things.

>>30741275
>▶
tell that to the muhreens though.

they found out their precious vertibird can't operate in Afghan high country. Had to get my Chinooks to take them places.

>>30737289
Ospreys can hover with 3,000lb of payload at 10,000 feet.

>>30741218
Max vertical takeoff weight is 52,000 pounds, which is nearly 20,000 pounds of cargo/fuel.

>>30741294
Lucky for them Afghanistan is the exception, huh?

>>30737289
>What is geography

>>30741294
Do we need to make a bingo chart for the Osprey like we did the F-35?

Why is Japan remilitarizing at the same time as trying to rewrite their own history?

>>30741331
>Why is Japan remilitarizing

China.

>>30741345
Why do they want China? It's full of chinese.

>>30741331
China is trying to take island and ocean space.

Obama has been a horrible ally to Japan.

So Abe is going to Make Japan Great Again

>>30741273
no idea what those letters mean lol

File: 3981533-6503022817-39686.gif (690KB, 382x357px) Image search: [Google]

690KB, 382x357px

>>30741273

>>30741363
lurk more

>>30741363
>no idea what those letters mean lol
Why are you even posting about them if you have no clue what ship class abbreviations are?

>>30741312
14,000 pounds of that is fuel

So you have 6000 pounds of crew and cargo.

>>30741218
>The Osprey will need to get a
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pls6OyJpCWg

>>30741390
Because boats are cool. :)

File: osprey_performancechart.jpg (385KB, 1440x1006px) Image search: [Google]

385KB, 1440x1006px

>>30741157
>>30741218
>>30741294
>>30741312
>>30741408
>inb4 REEEEEE SHILL

>>30741511
don't forget the lack of auto rotation, and the horrible glide performance

the problem of it flipping over and crashing if one side falls into its own wash. which has limited has fast an osprey can vertically land.

no armaments besides a tacked on rear facing machine gun.

to fast for helicopter gunship escort, too slow for fighter escort.

>>30741358
>>Obama has been a horrible ally to Japan.
[citation needed]

File: 3518210-tumblr_m67vwbkh9u1qjhzw5o1_500.gif (499KB, 430x323px) Image search: [Google]

499KB, 430x323px

>>30736575
a starfighter fiasco all over again.

and we say other nations are bloodthirsty. lol

File: v-22 remote guardian.jpg (70KB, 1238x855px) Image search: [Google]

70KB, 1238x855px

>>30741545
>memes
V-22 can auto rotate a bit, but not very well. It needs quite a bit of altitude for it to work

It is actually less susceptible to VRS than conventional helicopters

It can be equipped with a bottom remote turret and rockets

It's main job is to transport things/people in and out and it does a faster job at that than the Chinook or Phrog with longer range and that has saved a lot of lives already in transporting the wounded

File: x6d2ejcdqsi8nsaneqqk.jpg (37KB, 636x424px) Image search: [Google]

37KB, 636x424px

>>30741657

>>30741545
>>no armaments besides a tacked on rear facing machine gun.
Because Chinooks are FAMOUS for being loaded for bear, amirite?

>>30741657
Your facts and logic has no power over memes.

The bradley is a inferior failure, the blackhawk is too expensive, the f-16 is a lawndart, the V-22 is unsafe and the F-22 is an worthless expensive boondoggle.

File: literally who.webm (270KB, 1280x534px) Image search: [Google]

270KB, 1280x534px

>>30741373

>>30741511
these charts are bogus and have caused crashes

File: rABAGxO.jpg (410KB, 1600x1067px) Image search: [Google]

410KB, 1600x1067px

>>30741545
>don't forget the lack of auto rotation, and the horrible glide performance

Except they do not have horrible glide performance.

>the problem of it flipping over and crashing if one side falls into its own wash. which has limited has fast an osprey can vertically land.

All helicopters are vulnerable to vortex rings.

>no armaments besides a tacked on rear facing machine gun.

Or a 7.62 minigun in the belly, or pylons for weapons like APKWS.

>to fast for helicopter gunship escort, too slow for fighter escort.

Funny how that isn't how it worked out in Afghanistan.

>>30741678
What is the Abrams, meme master!?

>>30741487
Then learn something about them.

>>30741683
>these charts are bogus because they contradict what I want to believe

File: 2jsfax6.jpg (244KB, 1477x2067px) Image search: [Google]

244KB, 1477x2067px

>>30741714

>>30741704
A house sized mass of unkillable* american freedom

*does not apply to exports.

>>30741698
Just wait until a GAU-19 is mounted on the nose. All these naysayers will go back to their F-35 threads.

>>30741810
No they wont.

They have invested YEARS into these memes. They cant let it die.

They are still shilling the safety lie.

The tremendous downwash from the Osprey is a serious handicap as well
It throws debris up into the engine intakes
Can & does start brush fires
will fire shingles off roofs which is a big reason why its useless in disaster relief work(along with its shitty payloads & too high costs)

>>30741810
And every time they add shit like that
It's another 1000 lbs+ off the payload(which is already tiny), another 2-3 passengers it can't carry, etc

>>30741856
>And every time they add shit like that
>It's another 1000 lbs+ off the payload(which is already tiny), another 2-3 passengers it can't carry, etc

Just like every other cargo helicopter, shocking isn't it? And it's payload rivals a Chinook.

>>30741698
The problem with arming Ospreys is that they are ball-crushingly more expensive than pretty much any other aircraft in the entire US inventory.

>B-but they add capability from LHDs!

Would literally be cheaper to fly a B-2

>>30738472
>>30741115
Germans building whats basically a fucking Pelican during the coldwar, someone needs to go ahead and make a V-22/Do. 31 gunship already. I want to see that shit.

>>30741942
70 million dollar cargo helicopters can manage more than 5,000 lbs vertical lift
unlike the osprey
It's payload is nowhere near a chinooks, despite having substantially more power.
Sure if you reduce the fuel load you could lift more, and if it had a full sized runway to take off from.... but then whats the point of having an aircraft crippled by the VTOL requirement

>>30741971
They reduce capability from the LHD's because they are fucking huge
They also can't do a lot of the shit that the CH-46's did.

>>30742019
They add the ability to put cargo and troops out to far, far longer distances and more quickly than any other helicopter. Thats their niche.

>>30742019
V-22 can do 16k pounds at pure vertical takeoff.

Fuck nigger, at least do research.

>>30742076
see
>>30741511
Says the Osprey can manage about 50,000 lbs HOGE at sea level
(probably is actually less)

Empty weight of an Osprey is 33,000 lbs
Loaded weight of an Osprey is 47,000 lbs before payload
Doesn't leave much huh?

So now you are reducing fuel load to increase payload, when the ospreys superior range was it's only advantage...
And doing rolling takeoffs, which can be risky...

>>30741358
>Obama has been a horrible ally

The avian of evidence looks in your direction

>>30741678
And William Lind is strategic genius

>>30742195
>So now you are reducing fuel load to increase payload, when the ospreys superior range was it's only advantage...

The a payload/range ratio will always be in the Ospreys favor, which isn't even accounting for its superior speed and altitude.

>>30742019
>They reduce capability from the LHD's because they are fucking huge

A folded up Osprey is not much larger than a Chinook or Stallion.

>>30742019
>70 million dollar cargo helicopters can manage more than 5,000 lbs vertical lift

Not while having a flight radius of over 400nm.

>>30736747
What is this?

>>30742470

SR-71 nosecone

>>30736252
Not hating on the V-22 but if it were any good, where are the buyers?

And seriously the Japs buy anything the burgers tell them to buy (Japan Airlines fleet is entirely Boeing...NO Airbus need to apply).

>>30742950
It's expensive.

Good shit though.

Also, I think the only militaries on the planet with logistical needs on par with the US are Russia and China.

>>30742950
>Not hating on the V-22 but if it were any good, where are the buyers?
The V-22 is good, but most nations have no need for it. They already have helicopters which serve their roles, and they don't need the range and speed the V-22 has. This speed and range is essential for large scale amphibious operations, which no one other than the US can conduct at the moment.

File: Type10MBT.jpg (423KB, 1500x1000px) Image search: [Google]

423KB, 1500x1000px

>>30742950
If that was the case, Japan would be using M4s, Abrams, and F-16s. Japs still have enough stubborn pride to want their own indigenous designs even if the cost of doing so is kind of absurd.
An M4 costs about $650 while the Howa Type 89 is $3000 per rifle

Also the US recently approved V-22 sales to Israel

>>30742950
Airbus A350 is on order though, not that it in any ways refute your point

File: pain train.jpg (62KB, 960x721px) Image search: [Google]

62KB, 960x721px

>>30742950
>wanting Airbus in your airliner fleet

File: cv-22_001.jpg (131KB, 1200x800px) Image search: [Google]

131KB, 1200x800px

>>30742950
A quick look at wikipedia says that India, South Korea and the UAE are working on deals to buy the Osprey.

>>30742950

Ever thought that anything that comes out of Europe is just trash?

Only shitholes buy European equipment, real countries buy American.

>>30742950
>where are the buyers?

India, Israel and South Korea are all thinking about buying it now that it has some service life under its belt.

>>30743075
But isnt this also somewhat caused by economics-by-scale? Seeing as they cant export any of their stuff, sales will be limited and development price spread over less units

>>30743004
Japs could use the range to enforce their claim over the various islands.

>>30743120

this to be honest family, even Europeans don't want European equipment. The only country that makes good military equipment is America.

>>30743122
Economy of scale in both production size and R&D costs.

>>30736252
It's similar to the aerial vehicles in their animes. No wonder they want it.

>>30743087
>what happend?
>well, the front fell of

File: retro-man-whore-guy-is-amused.jpg (109KB, 413x395px) Image search: [Google]

109KB, 413x395px

>>30743162

>>30743120
Depends on what we are talking about.

There are gems in europe. They have some great components too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocopter_UH-72_Lakota

Here is one such gem, going into US army service.

File: NERVnave10.jpg (325KB, 1000x561px) Image search: [Google]

325KB, 1000x561px

>>30736747
Holy shit for a second I thought that would be a part of pic related

>>30743213

>cheap piece of shit to replace 50 year old cheap piece of shit

ok ahmed

>>30743122
again, if the japs cared about economies of scale so much, they'd be using m4s, abrams and f16s

I live on beach, these things fly by in pairs pretty regularly. Fucking awesome.

IF THE OSPREY IS SO FUCKING GREAT WHY ARENT TILTROTORS MORE POPULAR THAN CONVENTIONAL HELIS INNIT

>>30743233
There are negatives to the abrams... And if the US isn't exporting all the little things that make the Abarms into a top tier tank, like DU armor/electronics/sensors

Then you could probably build something better in country, more suited to your terrain/environment/situation

>>30743265
>>30743004

File: 8cYOxyo.gif (2MB, 504x1080px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 504x1080px

>>30743229
I've seen some stupid designs, but.. this

>>30736655
Check'd. Dubs confirm V-22 is ayyy lmao Tech

>>30743373
SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
IS THAT
THE OSPREAY

IS NOT SO FUCKING GREAt

>>30743120
>>30743137

Simply epic comments.

>>30743136
If only this thread was about Japan purchasing them...

>>30743285
>And if the US isn't exporting all the little things that make the Abarms into a top tier tank, like DU armor/electronics/sensors

Japan isn't a middle eastern country, they could probably get SEPv3's if they really wanted.

File: Japanese_Type_90_Tank_-_2.jpg (1MB, 4004x1997px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 4004x1997px

>>30743285
They could have bought actual Leopard 2s instead of just copying them

>>30743540
Well no, the arguement ITT is only latge countries like china, usa, russia could use the range and speed of the V-22.

>>30744157
The literal title of the thread is "Japan Orders MV-22 Ospreys."

>>30744157
Except japan has a few islands that are decently far off that COULD use rapid defense, like from an osprey

File: 1469053314125.jpg (52KB, 681x496px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 681x496px

>>30741157

>>30743122
It's more that they can't amortize the R&D costs over a long production line

>>30743285
Japan would probably put in their own armor modules and electronics. They aren't Arabs

>>30743671
The Type 90 has an autoloader tho

File: hydropneumatic suspension tank period type 90.jpg (83KB, 460x1180px) Image search: [Google]

83KB, 460x1180px

>>30743671

She bleeds like Japanese schoolgirls after a night out with marines

>>30743213
It's already in US Army service, with the Guard Component only. And that's how it's going to stay, because big Army doesn't need little commercial-size util helos.

File: tmp_10557-1456974766377-132349813.jpg (10KB, 272x260px) Image search: [Google]

10KB, 272x260px

>>30742950
>airbus

>>30741151
Quick question, why when they start to take off do they dip back down slightly?
Is it the pilot compensating so they don't overshoot take-off or something else?

>>30743472
A small yuropean country buying the Osprey is like telling your sister she needs a $2000 gaming rig when all she does on the computer is facebook and farmville. Its more capability than she'll ever even know how to use at a cost she probably can't even afford.

Its great. It just fills a role only one or two countries even have use for.

>>30745094
>s it the pilot compensating so they don't overshoot take-off

Basically. In any helo when you first leave the ground you need to find your balance before you can actually get moving.

>>30741669
Yes. They do Chinook gunships in 160th.

>>30741669
>guns-a-go-go

Yeah, they kinda fucking are.

>>30743671
Leo2 was too big for asian manlets.

>>30743091
>UAE
Well, there go those halfway decent safety records

>>30746036
I'm surprised you're not calling out the idea that fucking INDIA is trying to get these. They can't even maintain simple Russian tech without handing back to the manufacturer. Just how badly are they gonna fuck up the maintenance on an Osprey?

>>30746258
>one engine jammed down
>intake clogged
>electrical bugs galore
>on further inspection, the entire thing has been smeared in shit and left to harden

>>30745619
>>30745600
Hive mind has hives.

>>30741698
>7.62

You can't hurt anybody with that pansy ass gun!

File: vtol_gunships.jpg (238KB, 1690x928px) Image search: [Google]

238KB, 1690x928px

>>30742003
You'd like the new Arma expansion

The big one in back comes in "Spooky" style gunship flavor too.

>>30745600
>>30745619
>4 Chinooks out of over 1000
>taken out of service before the Vietnam war ended

That is a mighty big straw to claim Chinooks are famous as gunships using Guns A Go-Go.

>>30749508
>Just fuck my aerofoil up

>>30736638
and what are the odds of that...

all hope is already lost

File: 718.png (477KB, 1657x1900px) Image search: [Google]

477KB, 1657x1900px

>>30742950
>most expensive truck ever known to men

>>30750251
Performance comes at a price.

File: Remote Turret.webm (1MB, 1280x720px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1280x720px

>>30741657
is the remote turret?

>>30736338
Loud as fuck too

File: 1467719307029.gif (2MB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 320x240px

>>30750304
>Performance

For $600,000

>Sortie of 3 V-22s carrying 24 men each out to 260nmi

OR

>Sortie of 40 AH-64s and some change

I don't give a shit what those marines are doing, enough Apaches will do any job. Construction? no problem, land two Apaches and put a tarp inbetween them. Resupply? Give the gunners a couple of MREs and get them to throw them out the window.

>>30750251
Why the hell does the Global Hawk cost ten times as much as the next UAV listed to operate?

>>30750682
Because the Global Hawk is fucking gigantic.

>>30743385
anno hideki will always be a hack. just like bill watterson.
>YOULL NEVER SEE ME AGAIN LEAVE ME ALONE
>REEEEE PAY ATTENTION TO ME

>>30743285
>There are negatives to the abrams
Apart from the weight, the Abrams is a dang good tank.

Still, its cool how the japanese build their own stuff, makes everything more varied.

>>30750682
its global you mong

>>30743373
It also seems like a nightmare in development

>>30741799
>>30741799
What are up to now, 6 mobility/crew/total kills on M1A2s in Yemen right now? Probably a few more and this is max aknowledged a few months ago.

ATGMs don't ask for memes.

>>30744935
>
Until they really needed them a year ago, at which point the Guard can suck a dick and give them those helos for a pack of smokes.

>>30742264
>>30741645

He isn't doing shit about China trying to expand its territorial waters in Asia.

He was going to create instability in Japan when he wanted to apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese government told him to politely to fuck off

>>30752742
Exports dont have DU.

>>30753108
Oh, and before anyone asks...

http://www.deagel.com/Main-Battle-Tanks/M1A1-Abrams_a000516002.aspx

>It has been exported to the Armies of Egypt (M1A1), Saudi Arabia (M1A1 and M1A2), Kuwait (M1A2), Australia (M1A1) and recently Iraq (M1A1). Roughly 10,000 M1 Abrams main battle tanks were produced for the US Army, the USMC, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

>Export Abrams are not provided with the depleted uranium armor.

>>30752742

I think its 9 M1A2S confirmed, up to 14 suspected.

but AFAIK only two US Abrams have been MKd by enemy fire; both by newest gen Russian AT weapons, a PG-29V mobility killed a M1A2 in like '06 and I seem to recall another instance of an M1 being MKd earlier to do ATGW fire. Neither resulted in US loss of life, and one was a damn good shot.

>>30749456
>minigun
>can't hurt people with it
wew lad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGE23Uykd1Y

>>30744863
#Tanklivesmatter

File: rq4b_block30arrival_2_20091127.jpg (228KB, 1999x1339px) Image search: [Google]

228KB, 1999x1339px

>>30750682
You tell me.

>>30753094
>He isn't doing shit about China trying to expand its territorial waters in Asia.

What are FONOPS for $200, Alex?

>He was going to create instability in Japan when he wanted to apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki
>He was going to create instability

Sounds like you just pulled that out of your ass. Surely you can substantiate that.

>Japanese government told him to politely to fuck off

Since the rest of your premise is garbage, this doesn't follow

>>30743091
those guys are wearing an odd mix of gear (from different branches?). also what mos is that?

>>30750690
>>30750768
If size were the determining factor in cost the B-52 would dwarf all the others, followed by the AC-130. Try again

>>30753725
That just underlines the point. There's one engine and relatively few moving parts, and its role means it's not a fuel hog. Why is a low stress recon drone taking more money per flight hour to fuel and maintain than high stress fighters?

>>30750314
that pathetically small ammo can.

>>30750251

The numbers frankly sucks for the MV-22:

UH-60 Blackhawk:

cruise speed: 150 kn
combat radius: 320 nmi
capacity: 11 troops
unit cost: $21M
cost per hour: $4k (assume same as Apache)


MV-22 Osprey:

cruise speed: 240 kn
combat radius: 390 nmi
capacity: 24 troops
unit cost: $72M
cost per hour: $83k

Japs are cucks confirmed.

>>30750314
>big, expensive, fast freight craft
>remote multibarrel turrets
>weird engines

Did someone at Air Force procurement want to make the Millennium Falcon or something?

>>30754721
Combat radius is a meme because it varys wildly depending on the mission.

Ferry range is a true baseline average, because it eliminates the variables.

>>30754721
Yes, because being able to carry twice the payload with greater speed and range is a bad thing.

>>30754721
I'm calling bullshit on the UH-60's combat radius there. FAS puts it at 200 nmi.

>>30754797
That's because he basically pulled those numbers off wikipedia.

>>30754721
>using the numbers with the external fuel tanks installed for the UH-60 and the one without MATS tanks for the V-22
For shame.

>>30736276
>cat on lap
>digs claws in
>get crumbs from food on her left in the blanket
>cant reach the laptop
>has to get up from all that to go and do things (bathroom, or get something)

Im seeing a lot of flaws in that image

>>30736252
Is this some new devlopment of the kamikaze attack concept?

>>30754988
The cat on lap is not a flaw
The crumbs on your blanket are only a minor issue at best and you can mitigate them easily.
You totally can reach the laptop, it's just swung out so it's not in the way at that moment.
And yeah, you have to get up, but you can go sit right back down. That's normal. The difference is that most things you'd be sitting down for are all in one location, within easy reach.

>>30750314
has to lift up when they land, aka the only time you actually need it lol
Then I think you lose 2 seats installing it because now you need a gunner + other equipment.

File: strongly approve.gif (2MB, 640x480px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 640x480px

>>30736276
>Danbo figurine

I am not surprised for the Performance, capabilities and especially compared to other craft with similar capabilities, they seem reliable and fairly cheep to maintain and fly.

All in all the complaints about Maintenance is probobly badly overstated when the flight per hour cost is something along the lines of 10K USD (this is actually pretty good)

>>30741151
>>30741140
These things are fucking neat as hell to see at night

Straight out of fucking Halo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH3ZN2DKapI

>>30753725
Do aircraft without cockpits freak anyone else out?

They look like eyeless whales

>>30756053
We should bring back terrifying nose art for drones.

>>30736252

More like Japan is actually trying to build an amphibious assault capability. Hence the Western Army Infantry Regiment. One company trains on small boats; one gets to ride in on amtracks; and one company gets to hit the area well inland via MV-22s. The other parts of the equation is Japan will have to provide this force with real armor and artillery support not to mention the specialized logistics requirements of putting what essentially is a battalion on a ship for weeks at a time.

>>30745094
You want to stabilize, make sure you have your wings under you. In an emergency they could do it quick, but it isn't safe if you just gun it forward after you get some lift.

>>30741151
I saw some documentary these were being flown in Iraq and basically it took hundreds of people to keep just a few of these things flying. Half were unable to fly at any given time. True?

All throughout history, Combustion engines always had and still have problems with extreme conditions, sand Ice extreme temperatures.

Its very likely considering that at the time these where fairly new and unrefined.

On an unrealated note, if You look at the Bf-109G from WW2, these where specifically designed for Desert environments and they still had problems, in particular from the Silicon dust Scratching transparent surfaces and clogging up all sorts of unexpected stuff.

>>30754617
The Global hawk is expensive due to its jet engine compared to the Reapers turboprop.
Also the hawk uses more sophisticated equipment, weighs more and take longer flights.

>>30757333
Not hundreds of people unless you REALLY stretched for a definition of involved. Readiness rates were pretty bad to begin with, but last things I've been reading have been 70s and 80s, which are respectable numbers.

>>30737795
It's "sheer" you fucking twit.

>>30757515
>>The Global hawk is expensive due to its jet engine compared to the Reapers turboprop.
Every human piloted plane below it on that chart also has jet engines, so that's not sufficient. How much extra maintenance does that actually mean?

>>30757515
>>Also the hawk uses more sophisticated equipment, weighs more and take longer flights.

We're talking about cost per flight hour - up front cost has nothing to do with that. Every human plane below it also weights more, and longer flights should bring down cost per hour, not raise it- landing and takeoff are typically the biggest stressors on an airframe and its equipment, after all.

Are you actually trying to come up with reasons for the higher cost, or just spitballing characteristics in the blind hope that one of them is the reason?

Since y'all were being repeatedly useless, I googled it. Third link explained it all - and that the cost per flight hour for the Global Hawk dropped from 45k in 2010 to 19k. Turned out it was mostly contractor costs, which figures, but also that they are getting more use and therefore ground costs were being spread thinner over longer and more frequent flights, which makes much more sense than this fuckwit. >>30757515

Link:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northropgrumman-globalhawk-idUSBRE98C12220130913

Jesus Christ, when I get more information from a European general news site than /k/ on a piece of US military hardware, something's wrong.

>>30757545
nice. Wonder how these will do when someone good is shooting at them.

>>30754721
>MV-22 Osprey:
>cost per hour: $83k

In 2005 while it was in development.

And those numbers start looking a lot better for the Osprey when you realize it takes 3 Blackhawks to carry as many men.

>>30754234
Its AF but if it actually PJ's then they prob wear what ever they want

File: 1469499538339.jpg (52KB, 550x581px) Image search: [Google]

52KB, 550x581px

>>30736276
>feet sticking out from blanket
0/10 not comfy at all

>>30760051
She has it folded twice up by her chest, so it's not as bad as it looks.

The real question is, what did she use all of those tissues for?

>>30758147
Reuters is usually pretty good

>>30760216
sorry to point out how wrong you are
>feet sticking out of the covers
>ever
>for any reason

>>30760308
sometimes it's good to get them some air

>>30760051
I don't know what kind of heat lover you are, but my feet get really hot if I leave them under the blanket for too long. During summers (>15C) I sleep naked without a blanket because it's so fucking hot

>>30741356
They don't want china you retard, china want's japan!

all those void if broken stickers "REE NORMIES! STAY OUT OF MY AVIONICS!!!"

>>30736252
Meme aircraft for a meme country.

>>30744863
I though this tank was on it's period for a second.

>>30741286
all its need
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPf_PJlJsJQ

File: F-2A_(505)_of_3_Sqn_takes_off_from_Misawa_Air_Base_during_Keen_Sword_'05,_-16_Nov._2004_a.jpg (411KB, 2798x1710px) Image search: [Google]

411KB, 2798x1710px

>>30743075
Japs do use F-16's but they are produced by a Japanese company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_F-2

>>30765754

The design is clearly based on the F-16. But it isn't an F-16.

There are no interchangeable parts.

>>30741331

China's getting more aggressive.

Obama's America has reconfigured for tactical sensitivity training operations and maximum inoffensive pussy footing.

If America won't defend Japan, then Japan will. The same goes for South Korea and Taiwan.

>>30743120

Hey, with airbus you benefit from the multicultural cooperation of the EU itself!

>>30750745

It's a fucking amazing tank. But for a country unlikely to fight many ground battles and a high manpower cost, a diesel with an autoloader makes much more sense.

>>30737042
all helis do
all of the 4 ive flown anyway

>>30753751
>What are FONOPS for $200, Alex?

Worthless if State Dept asks permission to avoid provocation. It undermines the whole point of the exercise... Unless it was meant as PR for allies and domestic US consumption. Which, obviously, it was.

China's pushing so hard, so fast because they're on a six month clock before a new administration. They want facts on the ground and a new status quo firmly in place by then.

>>30744863
Someone edit blush marks unti her

>>30737289
Except
>they can hover above 10k feet
And
>what STOL aircraft can carry and do what the MV-22 does?

>>30738438
Underrated as fuck

>>30768629
>Worthless if State Dept asks permission to avoid provocation

t. Didn't read UNCLOS

Your premise sucks, and conclusion is unfounded.

>China's pushing so hard, so fast because they're on a six month clock before a new administration.

Proofs.

Have you considered a job in talk radio?

>>30736252
How could the Japanese hate a complex weird-ass aircraft that looks like something out of a science fiction film?
Everything about is exactly up their alley.

>>30742195
You dont just gas up aircraft. Fuel weight and distance is taken into consideration vs how much you want to carry

File: IMG_15121.jpg (300KB, 2400x1598px) Image search: [Google]

300KB, 2400x1598px

>>30742950
>buying airbus

>>30765754
Read the article. Its bigger and non interchangeable with an F-16

>>30736252
They hate *Americans* flying over their territory. They could give a shit less what the aircraft itself is.

>>30743075
Japans SF still uses the M4. 'Murica

Are they kicking the marines out yet?

File: 150521161053-osprey-gallery-150105-m-yh418-004-jpg-super-169.jpg (136KB, 1100x619px) Image search: [Google]

136KB, 1100x619px

God these things look gorgeous when they're on deck.

File: image.jpg (122KB, 272x519px) Image search: [Google]

122KB, 272x519px

>>30736252
The empire is rising

Could Japan have won WW2 if they had 242 Ospreys for Pearl Harbor?

>>30769032
they hate us flying over their territory?

we're the only ones keeping china from steamrolling their territorial claims

>>30768390
That must be why we keep ramming ships, carrier groups, and fighters through their 'security zones' in both the South China and East China Seas.

I'm sure it's also why he's been shifting naval, air, and marine assets to the Western side of the Pacific, reestablishing basing rights in the Philippines, and establishing basing rights in fucking Vietnam.

I'm ALSO sure it's why he's hosting ASEAN conferences and increasing ties with nations like Myanmar that are resisting being drawn further into the Chinese sphere of influence.

Tell me, do you consider any actual facts before rotting your mind with bullshit?

>>30770896
no
they wouldn't have had anywhere near enough fuel
and maintaining them would have bankrupted them

>>30737289
>And japan is 75% mountains

And the V-22 has the range to actually fly around mountains.

>>30741363
Yes, anon. We know you're ignorant.

>>30773451
Or it can just fly over them.

>>30745600
>Yes. They do Chinook gunships in 160th.

No they don't. MH-67Gs have improved range, reliability, and avionics. They don't have improved armament.

And the 160th is a special forces infil/exfil unit, not a CAS unit.

>>30743091
Ya can't say that thing doesn't look badass in that picture, I mean honestly look at it. It's like some halo shit, it's awesome. Photoshop the grass blue and the sky orange and it's a total alien planet scene.

>>30773474
Or just take the 新幹線。

>>30742003
V-280 is being offered in armed scout and gunship configurations.

>>30754617
The Global Hawk has had a very... troublesome... development and acquisition period.

I would not be surprised to see them retired early and replaced by something by GA.

File: aaa.jpg (4MB, 3300x2200px) Image search: [Google]

4MB, 3300x2200px

>>30774999
If the Hawk has so many problems then why are they pushing ahead with the Triton?

>>30743559
Except for the part where the full M1A2 package is not exported to anybody much less the sepv2.

>>30750705
the two are nothing alike.
bill watterson has done nothing since the 90's while anno has been milking the shit out of eva, and is also doing godzilla.

also, it would have been the utter definition of hackdom to continue a series just for financial gain.

>>30776685
but everyone loves the rebuilds, foolish gaijin
totally not a contrived money grab at all

>>30776175
Because american R&D reflects capitalism. If something doesn't work WE MUST BUY NEW DESIGNS instead of trying to fix problems.

>>30776750
I'd say that more reflects the civilian leadership not having a stomach for sitting down and trying to fix things, or even a basic capability to plan ahead.

File: guyver.jpg (30KB, 509x500px) Image search: [Google]

30KB, 509x500px

>>30776750
What are the problems with it?