/k/ wut shotgun is gud

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>>30729047
Get it. Its gud

>>30729047
you can go cheaper without losing much quality but its your choice.
Pump shotguns tend to be reliable no matter the brand, only difference is fit finish and available aftermarket parts

>>30729047
If you do get an 870, replace the extractor with one not made out of stamped steel, or else you'll start to get failures to eject after a few hundred rounds.

Mossberg 590.

Remingtons are for old men who keep throwing logs on a dying fire.

I've been looking at shotguns. Ithaca Model 37 Defense is worth a look.

>>30729047
Remington's quality control has been shit for quite a long time now. Get a mossberg 500, 590, or 590a1 instead.

>>30729047
If you're going to cheap out on the Express just get a Mossberg.

If you're willing to pay $600+, get a Wingmaster.

Remington's budget line of guns have all gone to shit.

>>30729047
it's shit, get a chinese clone or the mossberg

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>>30729692
>>30729670
30729643
Really, any mossberg pump. I had a maverick 88 that I put thousands of rounds through without any noticeable wear.

Then I sold it and bought this sexy pakernized 590 w/ magpul furniture for $356

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>>30729670
>control has been shit for quite a long time now. Get a mossberg 500,

The remington quality meme on this board seriously needs to die. It's funny, half of the people who spout the nonsense have never even owned a remington. Keep spewing everything you see the other newfags spewing.

When it comes to shotguns, I definitely prefer the 590, but not because of manufacturing quality.

>>30729643
This with 20" barrel, literally the perfect pump shotgun

>>30729826
Do me a favor and stop being a fanboy. Thanks.

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>>30729891
>Get called fanboy for not being a typical bandwagon faggot...

Try harder.

>>30729891
Do me a favor and stop being a fucking parrot. I own a newer remington and has about 2,000 rounds through it with ZERO issues. I also know a lot of people with newer remingtons that also have no problems. You just hear something and you parrot. You're like a liberal.

>>30729951
I'm sure there are good Remington being made. I actually want to buy one of the new V3s to duck hunt but I'm holding out till they get some field testing because of my experience with my 870 supermag (made in 2013). It had major issues with spent hulls sticking in the chamber because of how roughly machined the chambed walls were. You could run your finger through it and just feel the ridges. I ended up getting a new barrel from Remington.. except it had the same problem. 3rd time was the charm and it's been 100% ever since. Still left a bad taste in my mouth. Plus, there's the R51 fiasco. Also I used to lurk the Marlin forums and almost as soon as they got bought by Remington's parent company, they started having major issues too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMYXku-idJQ

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anyone else feel like 18" barrels are already way, way too long?

it's like maneuvering a broomstick and it's so much slower to point

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>>30730364
No.

>>30730364
Yup. I really don't get why rifles were kept to 16" but they felt like shotguns needed 2 more.

Wouldn't want to go too short and affect my capacity though.. I feel like cut flush with the end of a standard 6 shot tube would be just right. And it would look damn sexy

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>>30730425
that looks so ridiculous and goofy

have an aow

>>30730364
Not enough shells in there.
I'm already disadvantaged against a 30+ rifle

>>30730425
>>30730464
Have any of you ever tried to effectively hit anything with a pistol grip only shotgun or did you just see it in a movie once?

>>30730464
I like that it holds 9 shells and is more manageable to shoot

>>30730586
It's not that bad at 10 feet and it can be safely fired at eye level with a good method and stance

>>30730586
>how dare someone enjoy a hobby

>>30729047

I've got the 870 express magnum with a tube extender, night sights and a 12.5'' barrel, it lives under my bed and I feed it military grade 00 buck.

>inb4 overpenetration
>mfw living in the boonies

I've never had a feeding issue with it, it strips easy, cleans easy, and I've probably put 500 target loads through it, has a surprisingly tight spread even with the shorter barrel. I've mag dumped with it several times

I'd definitely recommend it as a solid and adaptable shotgun. You can sometimes find police trade-ins for great prices, that's how I got mine.

>>30730586
PG only shotguns are hard to shoot. But not impossible. In a proper stance and grip you can fire it effectively.

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>>30730706
>permanently SBS'ing an 870
>chose the "express" line
Ya blew it

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Why are pistol grip shotguns so goddamn aesthetic

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>>30730725
Something like this is so much quicker on target though. You can brace it against your shoulder but also tuck user your elbow and hip fire if you want and it's just as maneuverable.

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>>30729047
Remington has been shit for the last decade, avoid their product line.

Get a Mossberg 590 instead.

>>30729826
>The remington quality meme on this board seriously needs to die

But it's not a meme
>R700 safeties tripping the sear
>R700 bolt handles breaking off because they're soldered on (this goes back WAY before their QC took a nosedive)
>shotgun extractors shearing left and right
>The R51 being a shitcrafted deathtrap twice in a row

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>>30730816
>>30730796
Honestly i find that pistol grips, even with stocks, miss a lot of the "point" of a traditional shotgun which is low profile. It's simple to handle and balance because there's no weirdly jutting out parts. Like as a thought experiment, imagine saran wrapping this vs an ar15

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>>30730869
I used to think this until i tried pistol grip + stock. I love monte carlo stocks, but fuck PG + stock is so much better when it comes to ergonomics and control.

>>30729047
Not OP, but a friend of mine recommended an Ithaca 37 or a benelli nova as other good options to the standard 500 & 870 recommendations. I like what I've read about the nova, but the 37 has got a solid history behind it. Any suggestions?

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>>30730963
Also pistol grip is biomechanically more efficient because there's less ulnar rotation.

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>>30730706
Hope you paid papa ATF or else doggo's gonna get it.

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I like my Benelli.

>>30731194
>projecting your own total ignorance onto others

>>30731194
>he doesn't know how to make a non-NFA shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches

>>30731231
How? Do you start with an AOW?

>>30730757

I meant the 18''

I don't have an SBS, should have double checked.

Also it was a gift and technically its my wife's even though she can barely handle it, she can barely lift my kar98, she's a small gal.

Anyway, I'm no shotgun expert but the thing goes boom and I've never had an issue with it.

>>30730963
>PG + stock is so much better when it comes to ergonomics and control.
nah dude youve just got ill fitting one size fits most stock
if the choice is between a badly fit traditional and a badly fit pistol grip with sights the pistol grip with sights wins since youve got to contort your body to fit it and youve got references for the proper hold in the ghost rings
its way better than contorting yourself with only a bead
a properly fitted traditional stock is great

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Not sure why I said 12.5, an SBS with a tube extender would look so retarded.

>>30731194
>>30731308

pic related, not mine but pretty much identical

>>30731231
>implying the express magnum was ever produced without a stock
>implying there exists a birdshead grip long enough to legally balance out a 12.5" barrel

>>30729643
Well said/10. /thread/

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>>30731306

>>30731320
Except the original stock that my Remington came with was perfect. It fit snug, and it was overall perfect fit. I was really reluctant and switching to pistol grip + stock because my bro has PG only mossberg and i hated it. So i pulled the trigger and got a speedfeed IV-S (it has identical length of pull to the original stock) and i noticed an improvement in speed and ergonomics. With the pistol grip i had more options of holding the gun

OP, I've had an 870 for months and put hundreds of shells trough it and the only issue i've had with it were friends baby handling it. No rust no part brakage nothing. /k/ loves to shittalk remington, and while it might not be as glorious a company as it was before (true) They're not bad guns. With that being said, if you wanna poorfag it, look at the maverick88

>>30731326
I need to get a full tube for mine already. But yea over 500 shells and no issues with mine.

(((mossberg)))

>>30731224
'Sup fellow Canadabro. I have the same style of supernova with the 14" barrel.
>tfw you cannot justify an M4 Super 90

>>30731629
They're swedish-american though
Doublewhite

How does /k/ feel about Ithaca shotguns? I was thinking about getting one.

>>30731688
Ain't they great?

Only reason I got it over a semi is I just prefer pumps. I love this little shotgun.

>>30731224
the m machine... nice

>>30729047
I got an H&R defender 12 for around 150. Never had an issue with anything and doesn't feel cheap. Probably not the best for aftermarket parts, but I think you could use 870 parts on it. Dicks and academy keep them in stock but they always sell quick.

>>30731975

OP here, ended up going to my LGS and picking up an 870 tactical express for ~330 out the door after a special they had going on. I know they may or may not be the same quality as the olden days, but my father has one from the 70's that's still running fine, having exchanged hands among our family member a number of times. I liked how it felt and have always wanted to get myself one.

FWIW they didn't have a 500 or 590 in stock, and said that they have had a number sent back to the manufacturer for defects and warranty work?

>>30732021

didn't mean to quote >>30731975

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>>30729047
Dis un

>>30731458
That looks pretty retarded senpai.

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>>30731629
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O.F._Mossberg_%26_Sons

You have to go back.

>>30732108
No shit? It's a novelty piece, it's like the AK pistol of shotguns.

>>30731629
Kek

>>30730323
that's because marlins were full of tribal knowledge...remington has since corrected the issues

>>30729643
this
t.upset freedom group 870 owner

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though the Mossberg is basically objectively better, unless it's got a heatshield on it it looks like shit, Remington 870s look good no matter what you do to them, I'd rather spend money on a pretty Remington that doesn't work than a functional Mossberg that hurts my eyes
t. Mossberg 290 16 gauge owner (and recently acquired Mossberg 500 Persuader owner)

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Benelli Nova takes longer shells, and is pretty sexy, i have it with the mag extension

http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-rifles-shotgun-discussion/116153-benelli-nova-pump-tactical-vs-mossberg-590a1-special-purpose.html

>>30730427
Army lobbied Congress to amend the NFA for rifles to 16 inches when they wanted to surplus their M1 carbines.

>>30730866
>The R51 being a shitcrafted deathtrap twice in a row
Wait, isn't it just now getting a re-release? Who's saying it's still a lemon?

>>30732267
You've got some weird priorities M8.

I want a 20ga shotgun that is cute but powerful enough for HD.
remington 870 or mossberg for youth model pump actions?

>>30732316
I don't deny it, but Remington 870s are sexy as fuck. I wouldn't buy them because nothing good has been said about new production models anywhere I go. That's why I went for a Mossberg 500 that's sufficiently AESTHETIC

>>30732280
also has a magazine cut off button, that you can press if you want to eject a shell, and no load one in from the magazine, good for hunting, or putting in another shell, say birdshot, or a slug, if you are not loaded with that shell

>>30731957
gimme some o' dat schadenfreude

>>30732348
>youth model
you're a disgusting pedophile degenerate, get out of /k/

>>30732354
Bud's Fun Shop has pre-Freedom Group 870s listed as "Remington 870 Police 12 Gauge." They come with wood furniture and 18.5" barrels, but they're marked up at bit over $500.

You could troll armlist or local classifieds for a pre-freedom group as well, but, in my area at least, I can only find non-freedom group 870's with 24"+ barrels.

>>30729643
Is there much of a difference between the 500 and the 590 outside the trigger group?

>>30732460
The problem with Bud's Gun Shop is that it's 2000 miles away and I live in commiefornia

>>30732422
so mossberg, then?

Sold my 870E, got a Kral/Tristar. The problems are not hearsay, Expresses have always had extractor problems and finish rusting issues. The newer ones have even had broken firing pins, which is ridiculous. Don't be afraid to look around and buy non-US. Benelli and CZ are two good examples.

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>>30732267

>>30732303
They released it again.

Same shitty quality and problems, even used the same frames, it has new problems too.

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>>30732880
They out-Colt'ed Colt and went full Taurus

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>>30732486
>what is the internet

>>30732354
>>30732267
i think 870s are OK except the angled trigger guard is a little weird looking

mossberg shotguns have a full retard mess of magazine tubes/extension/barrel combos while the 870 is just "extension y/n?"

>>30732857
where's the heatshield senpai

>>30733066
call me paranoid but I don't like ordering guns directly over the internet

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>>30729047

Go to armslist or something and pick up a used 870 wingmaster. I got one with the police folding stuck for $400 and you can find fudd versions for half that.

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>>30732857
>>30733185
forgot my pic (not my gun though)

>>30733185
That's reasonable
I wouldn't survive without internet purchases because of the niche stuff (factory SBRs/AOWs for instance) that i would either never find locally or would have a massive markup

>>30733209
Needs the MOE fore-end.

>>30731224
That looks like a dildo

>>30731308

>she's a small gal.

pics ?

>>30733336
ribbed 4 your pleasure

>>30731308
>she's a small gal
For you.

>>30733643
Its like it was meant to be up my ass

>>30733742
in b4 the screencap of the anon who literally stuck a rem870 up his ass

>>30729759
>maverick 88

Should I get one of these? The price tag is very tempting and they have them at Dick's Sporting Goods.

>>30733467

If this were any regular message board, gladly.

But there is no way I'm throwing that to the 4 winds of the internet.

>>30733719

Dude you have never even had the guts to talk to someone as energetic, intelligent, and beautiful as my wife, go play with your pokemon.

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My 870 from the 90s has served me well for over 17+ years and action is super smooth

>>30733811
>babby's first day on the internet

>>30733773
Yes, the only shotguns worth getting are either dirt cheap or super high end, the maverick 88 fits the former perfectly

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>>30733839

>>30729643
870. Mossbergs are for young men who take it up the ass.

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>>30729134

>rear sights on a shotgun

>>30734454
time for somebody to post the screencap of anon sticking a Remington 870 up his ass

>>30729047
Its ok. A 590 is better

A bps is best

>>30731458
So if it's not a shotgun, but has a bore over half an inch, isn't that a DD?

Rip doggo.

>>30732356
>magazine cutoff button
I might buy one soley for this reason, this shit should be commonplace, its genious

>>30732479
only the 590A1 has metal trigger group, Maverick88 and 500 and other 590 are all polymer.

>>30733811
>
Dude you have never even had the guts to talk to someone as energetic, intelligent, and beautiful as my wife, go play with your pokemon.

If you say so autismo

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>>30734495
> Thinking a shotgun is like call of duty
Ghost rings on a shotgun is a great idea the bead was good for quick target acquisition, but hitting anything past 100yards with a slug proved difficult. So ghost rings it is. I prefer bead sights for trap and skeet shooting

>>30734454
> mossbergs are for young men who take it up the ass.

Wow, no wonder i own 3

>>30735089
Technically an AOW, I believe.

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>>30733467
You can have a picture of my managers legs (im not the original guy you replied to) shes small as fuck, can barely shoulder my AR even on the lowest point of the adjustable stock

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>>30729047
I fired a friends 870 before I bought my moss 500, pic related, and something about it got uncomfortable to shoot after several rounds, I think the recoil kept shoving the trigger guard into my middle finger. Not severe, but noticeable after a while and I haven't had the same problem with the 500

fire both the 870 and 500 before making your choice if you get the chance

>>30735728
>AOW
Call it what you want, if it's not a shotgun, and has a bore over half an inch, it's a DD.

So it's either a SBS or a DD.

Budget?

>>30736374

Actually neither. ATF has ruled that smoothbore firearms that leave the factory with a barrel length under 18" but never had a shoulder stock (pistol grip only), are legally AOWs, not SBSes. Still NFA Title 2 firearms, but they transfer for $5 instead of $200. State laws may also otherwise restrict them, but at a federal level, they fall under AOW classification.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any

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>>30736595
>>30736374
>>30735728
>>30735089
'cept they've regularly defined shotguns with a 14" barrel and 26"OAL without a stock as "Firearms", not NFA items.

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I'd like to find an old Wingmaster to swap my oldschool riot furniture onto, but I'm okay with my Express Magnum

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>>30729047
590

>>30735719
>shooting past 25 meters with a combat shotgun

You brought the wrong gun m8

>>30736595
>https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any
>none of the examples given are 12 gauge
Because then it would be a DD.

Just because a rifle is an SBR doesn't mean it isn't also a DD if the caliber is >.50.

>>30736794
Life isn't vidya, you can easily use a shotgun at double that distance, four times the distance if it's got a fitting choke and load.