How does /k/ feel about the NRA?

Pretty good, but need to stop bugging people 24/7 for donations and work on the Hughes Amendment.

It exists.

>>30663179
I like their museum. Everything else about them I could care less.

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>>30663194
This. As long as they are not making the machine gun ban, at the bare minimum, a priority, they're not getting a red cent from me.

>>30663179
Don't think I'm signing up again after they probably spent more than my dues check sending me endless "renewal notices" starting month two.
The pocket knife and gear bag were worth it, though, and I'm glad they keep up the good fight.

They're the only reason our politicians haven't fucked us up the butt like Australia and Canada.

I'll join when they start fighting import bans.

But they never will, because that would put half of the domestic manufacturers out of business overnight.

>>30663179

I have mixed feelings about them, on one hand they're the only group who's winning battles for gun rights but they've intentionally lost a few as well

>>30663828
you know they;ll never change their stance if you don't join and try to force change

>>30663179
I'm honestly thinking about joining but I need a military person to vouch for me to get that life time membership.

I believe in the NRA but I wonder about them.

>>30663179

I'm a member. They don't do as much as I'd like them to do, but they're the most influential pro-gun group with political sway. Also, anything that progressives hate is something I feel obligated to support.

>>30663179
I joined beacause the range im at requires it, i shoot nra matches , the insurance is great. And it pisses of grabbers.


Just dont put the stickers on your car.

>>30663194
>>30663236
> this

>>30663828

import bans on Russian arms are 100% justified

>>30663961

Call me an icy Machiavellian capitalist but I don't think that politics should interfere with free enterprise. Those import bans were backdoor gun grabs by the Obama administration.

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in donald trump's "art of the deal," he mentions that you should greatly inflate your desired compensation for something, and when the other side makes a counter offer, you work further down toward your actual goal for compensation

in that regard, the NRA's rampant retardation makes more sense

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>>30663961
i really hope you are literally pants on head retarded to have said that

>>30663988

The embargo applies to their finance and energy sectors, it would be silly not to also embargo their arms industries which profit directly from the Ukraine conflict.

A political proxy for the arms industry, they don't care about 2A rights they care about making money for the American arms lobby. Fortunately however that has the side effect of supporting 2A rights.

They're a bunch of spineless candy asses. They should be pushing for full repeal of the Hughes Amendment, Gun Control Act, and NFA, and shuttering the ATF forever.

>>30663819
This... They are the only reason we didn't get AWB 2.0 after Sandy Vag. They are dumb and annoying at times, but they have real power, far more than any other gun rights group, and will continue to get my support as long as they continue to piss off the leftist gun grabbers on a regular basis.

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>>30663179
>How does /k/ feel about the NRA?
maybe if we all join the Pink Pistols we can stop relying on the National Fuddgun Manufacturer's Association to 'protect' our rights.

I agree with the previous posts that the NRA only exists the make the arms industry more money, who then in turn donate more to the NRA. Im a member of the USCCA, because unlike the NRA whom i refuse to support, their organization focuses on responsible gun ownership, education and training, and actualy providing resources to help american citizens.

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>>30663179
If you're fuddius maximus and only give a shit about your thirty ought six durr rifle, the NRA is golden.

Otherwise, the NRA can fuck off. GOA is where it's at.

Good for stamping down bad federal legislation, shitty for everything else. I'm for them because there's no one else that can rival their impact but I hate that they're the face of gun rights.

I'm never going to give them a cent. There's much more deserving organizations out there, personally I'm all for SAF and my state's gun rights organization. NRA has its place but it doesn't need the money of non-corporate entities. At least it shouldn't, because it doesn't fight for their ideology.

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>>30664354
Forgot my related pic. Just a sampling of the tools the USCCA gives you when youjoin.

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>>30663961
Get a load of this goy. My sides go into orbit every time i hear some fed fuckface get up there and talk about how mean ol' russia is trampling over other sovereign nations. We do this shit on a daily basis.

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>>30663961
Fuck you.

>>30663179
Deeply, deeply flawed, HOWEVER, they are still the best asset we have to preserve the universal right to bear arms.

They are a giant. A klutzy, badly dressed, tactless, slightly stupid giant, but nonetheless a giant who is on our side.

I haven't joined yet but I intend to, in addition to other more on-point groups like GOA, SAF, and my state group.

If you don't like the NRA, you need to join up, lean in and light a fire under the Board's ass to get them back on track. More focus on human rights and less US gun industry dicksucking.

>>30663179
they have protected your rights to own guns, but not your rights to manufacture guns.

>>30663179
They go about things pretty stupidly a lot of the time. So I won't sign up or donate to them.

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>>30664466
>If you don't like the NRA, you need to join up, lean in and light a fire under the Board's ass to get them back on track
this, also checked

>>30663961
This.

What if Russia armed a bunch of American communist peasants and they rose up against the government?

>>30664431

I don't remember us invading a sovereign democratic nation and annexing an incredibly important piece of their land with no real justification.

Iraq was a shit show and of questionable legality but at least Saddam deserved it for being a genocidal piece of shit.

>>30664522
>American communist peasants
yeeeeah, they have to be paid to protest soooo, but they could arm Texan/Alaskan/South Carolinian secessionists.

>>30664296
>A bunch of straight guys join the PP and it replaces the NRA.
>Liberals don't know how to react to progun gays.

>>30663179
They abuse their position as the biggest and most serious gun lobby by juicing both shooters and domestic manufacturers for cash every chance they get. They've thrown large sections of gun rights under the bus and really only fight for domestic companies. They're lazy crony-capitalists.

>>30663179
I'll join once they start pushing for the deregulation of SBRs and SBSs. Baby steps, but I'm not going to join on the hopes that they do something about retarded laws. I want to see action first and not this call and response shit that happens every time someone mentions gun control. It's time to stop being defensive and go on the offensive.

>>30664533
I'd only worry about Texas. But if Texas wanted to secede, they could with or without Russian AKs. They have the largest National Guard in America and an industry to support it.

they need to drop the cuckservative poppycock. they don't have alot of support in the queer community (arguable the community that needs the second amendment the most) because of their anti-gayness stances.

>>30664597
>their anti-gayness stances.
wat?

>>30664597
How are they anti gay? I never hear them say anything of the sorts. Even googling it brings nothing up.

>>30664588
dubs speak truth, although russian aid wouldnt hurt, keep the americans from trying anything.

>>30663179

Fudds

But theyre the largest organization who'll stand up for my rights.

But I wish theyd take supressors and short barreled shotguns and rifles off the nfa

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>>30663961
the fuck you say???

You can go fornicate yourself with a broom handle.

>>30664523
10+ shekels to you.

>I don't remember us invading a sovereign democratic nation
>democratic
This meme is still going strong i see. The government doesn't give a fuck about "democracy". You can be whatever government type you want, so long as you bend over and kiss america's ass. If not, you'll be disposed of or fenced off and labeled an evil rouge literally hitler dictatorship.

>>30663236
I'd rather not lose my rights altogether like California did than have them focusing on wedge gun culture insider issues.

They have the largest political clout and network of operatives. They need to fight the big fights and I support them for that.

There are other orgs that can push the smaller issues

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>>30663961
We should import ban turkshit too. slavs and roaches will not receive a single american dollar until they change

>>30664597
Seriously. Not even just gay stuff, but literally everything. Just be a fucking single issue organization. The second it becomes a partisan big tent organization the more it alienates people that aren't in the tent, and this should be a cause that spans party lines.

>Obama and the dems in Congress trying to push through an AWB, no gunz for turrists and UBC;s
>media is anti gun and reports that the SKS is an assault rifle.
>100+ million gun owners don't want to pay the NRA 30 bucks a year

Yeah the NRA should totally be focusing all its energy to pass a bill to make it easier to get legit machine guns and assault rifles again. It's not like ANY other pro gun bill faces a guaranteed veto by Obama.

You guys are simply retarded and can't see the big picture or are just entitled children that want the NRA to work miracles while you circlejerk about slavshit.

>>30664794
Don't throw good money after bad. If the NRA isn't getting the results we want and has no plan to do so, why pay them at all?

On one hand they're the main proponent in keeping out second amendment alive and well

On the other hand they say stupid shit like "vidya games to blame"

On the other they provide alot of fire arms services like training and stuff

On the other they're a bunch of limp wristed deal makers when it comes to non fudd guns

Pretty split here, still not sure if I want to subscribe to them

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>>30664665

cool

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>>30664864
wonder if she realizes both sides hate gays, oh well, americans aren't renowned for intelligence

>>30664858
Until some other group rises to prominence, they're our only hope.

>>30664794
They had some years in which they could have at least tried.

>>30664823
>can't get the results you want
What results? As far as gun bills at the federal level are concerned we are at a deadlock in congress and Obama WILL veto anything remotely anti gun Its been that way for awhile.

>Why give them money
They are lobbying right now to pass bills that would take suppressors off the NFA and make ccw licenses honored nationwide. Two things a few dems in congress and your average gun owner can get behind when we have a pres that will actually sign them.

On top of that they are pushing hard for Trump, who, unlike Hillary, is not pushing for Australia tier gun control and nominating anti gun justices

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>>30664864
You sure showed me.

>>30664933
Meant to say "pro" gun bills. Obama won't sign any pro gun bills, especially now.

>>30664905
You mean try during the Bush years? Bush Sr supported and AWB and signed the 89 import ban to start the process then we had Clinton who signed the AWB, Geiorge W wanted to originally not let the AWB expire for fucks sake. Then we had Obama.

During all that time?

Not to mention it wasn't until Obama got elected that most gun owners even knew about the NFA

>>30664942

Just as surely as your whataboutism showed me.

>>30665091
>whataboutism
Nigger what? There is no "what about". The US government tramples on other sovereign nations, and then throws a fit when "evil rouge" russia pushes around one of the US government's puppets.

>>30664522

>communists

nah

They did say at one point they'd support Texan secession if it ever happened, though.

>>30663179

Sellouts that should be dissolved and replaced with GOA at the forefront.

>>30665137

>we should be able to support Russia's arms industry despite their invasion of Ukraine because the US does bad things to dictators and did some bad things during the Cold War

literally whataboutism

>>30663961
Russia's a shit, but I love guns more than I care about turnip farmers fighting over turnips

>>30664522

Russia has not been technically communist since the 90s.

>>30663179

Mixed feelings. One the one hand, I'm glad someone is out there screaming in the faces of liberals for my rights. On the other hand, the one year I was a member they sent me further requests for money every fucking week. Like, "Hey, thank you for joining the NRA, here is your membership card and sticker, can we please have more money?" That was several years ago and they are STILL trying to sell me a new tote bag, I mean membership renewal.

Maybe I might find a way to donate anonymously so as not to encourage them to mail any more shit to my house.

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>>30665187
It's not whataboutism, it's i'm not a globalist moral crusader and Ukraine is not my problem.

If you are going to get butthurt about what Russia is doing, and support an embargo on them, but still purchase American products, you're a hypocrite.

>>30665193
I kind of hate that.

On the other hand, the reason they do it is because there's plenty of 80 year old fudds that see "Barack HUSSEIN Obama (and a lot of people forget the Hussein but I think it's important) is coming for your guns, give us money" and then they proceed to actually give them money. It's annoying as fuck but I'd rather that the NRA has that fudd money rather than the Cracker Barrel. They know it alienates people, hell it costs money to advertise that hard, but they wouldn't do it if it didn't work.

They suck but they suck a lot less than nothing.

>>30665232

Like I said earlier; the US hasn't invaded any democracies lately. That doesn't make me a hypocrite, it makes me a person who places a higher value on democracies than dictatorships.

>>30665379
Of course we don't invade. It's more effective to do it more subversively. As for democracy vs dictatorship, what you prefer is meaningless if it is not your government. Ukraine doesn't give 2 shits what your preference is for them.

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Look at their enemies. Look at who demonizes them and scorns them and whoops them up and look at how frothing at the mouth batshit upset they get every time the NRA weighs in on something.

That's worth the price of membership right there. Just tick the little box that says DO NOT SOLICIT or you will be buried by an avalanche of spam calls and junk mail.

>>30665455
Kill yourself Phil

>>30665455
You're the single worst poster on /k/. You bear more responsibility for decline in this board's quality than any other individual.

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>>30664522
Sounds good to me.

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>>30665455
Fuck off Phil you inbreeding fudd
Just cuz fags like cocks doesn't mean they can't like guns

>>30664543
>>Liberals don't know how to react to progun gays.
They do. Now that gays are seeing the light, multiple leftist organizations are saying shit like "Gays arent really opressed, they're part of the pay tree archie"

Great hunters and youth Firearm education and events. Politically its iffy because on one side you have the legislative political branch called the NRA-ila that lobbies and fights ALOT of gun control bills that might have had a chance of passing or going up for a vote, they are good at that. It's a two way street though, the NFA of 1924 was supported by the NRA and so was the gun control act of 1968 and the import weapons ban, its also a good point to mention how the NRA has also worked against efforts for permitless carry of handguns and constitutional carry. Especially in Texas during last years legislative session in lock step with the Texas state rifle association against constitutional carry when people were demanding it with petitions and massive genuine grassroots effort. So its a double edged sword, they are great for education and safety, along with their lobbying efforts being effective at times, you can still see there is alot of complacency in them as well to work with and compromise with gun control advocates on a lot of Jim crow type laws like the NFA or GCA or conceal carry permits. Just pick your battles and know where you and them stand.

>>30665455
wtf i hate gays now

>>30663179
The only SuperPAC that I am neutral/positive in opinion towards.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

>>30663179
Social Media tier.

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>>30666404
>lesbians are part of the patriarchy

>>30664296
The problem is the hundreds of thousands of Fudds that make up most of the NRA's donation base wont' come along, or move to a better org like GOA. The NRA is pretty beta but it's the only one big enough to have any effect. We either roll with the tide or drown, unfortunately.

If any of you were thinking of donating/renewing your NRA membership, do it through this website: https://www.riafreedomchallenge.com/

It's a funds-matching event by the guy that runs one of the auction houses Ian always visits on Forgotten Weapons. He'll match up to a million bucks, so you basically double your donation for free, and it's only gotten a little over $14k so far.

>>30664876
>tfw I worked in a McDick's for a summer and they actually asked me to drop out of college and go to Hamburger U.

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>>30666787

>>30663179
Life Member here.
Yeah, they beg me fo mo money, but they are the ONLY ones who are fighting for my right to own guns.
So, sign up if you can. $10 a year, no magazine is the best deal if cash is tight.

>>30664455
COCKSUCKA!!

>>30666878
>the ONLY ones
Revolution PAC
Second amendment foundation
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms
Gun Owners of America

>>30663179
They're pretty fly for a white guy.

I'm not a member because minimum is 30 dollars a month and I hear they constantly mail you flyers asking for more.

If membership were 10 dollars a month and they left me alone, then I'd be a member.

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>>30665455
>Look at their enemies. Look at who demonizes them and scorns them and whoops them up and look at how frothing at the mouth batshit upset they get every time the NRA weighs in on something.

Story time

>be me
>be freshly minted NRA member
>live in NOVA
>closest shooting range is the NRA range
>go to the range a week or so after Orlando
>see protester with "NRA is a terrorist organization!" sign
>mfw

It was a good day.

>>30666980
>30 dollars a month

It's $30/year and can be even less if you get a manufacturer/partner discount.

>>30666948
>Gun Owners of America
Literally stealing peoples money. Like Susan G. Komen for the Cure, but for gun owners.

>Second amendment foundation
Excellent organization, but they're only in the courts working with the laws that come down from Congress. The NRA handles lobbying Congress.

Gun Owners of America? Larry Pratt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycq4EUVOtaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6TxdVEIurI

>>30664391
>>30664354
While everything you said is correct you do not mention any political activity on the part of the USCCA? The NRA, as flawed as they may be, are a lobby group these days.

>>30664431
That we do and far worse. I don't even think we really even bother to hide are proxy bullshit anymore either.

>>30666997
Oh... it appears that I misread it.

>>30663819
This.
They could be doing more, but they're useful.

>>30664783
This.

>>30664783

The extent to which they've gone all-in for Trump, a guy who was peddling your standard NYC anti-gun line right up until he went for the GOP nomination, really rubs me the wrong way.

>>30667085
Christ thos a million times. If they had balls they would have endorsed Johnson or one of the other guys in the primary. When progun democrats stopped being a thing (oddly enough a tea party influence) they went from an influencing force on both parties to being cheerleaders for the GOP despite the GOP often not being the best choice.

This has cost them potential allies and made them bet the bank and rally the ranks around utter losers.

>>30664597
The NRA:
>has given A+ ratings to Democrats.
>is old enough to remember the first Clinton ban that Bush let expire.

You fucking kids, a big part of why I appreciate the NRA is they tell you which candidate is pro and which is anti gun. We have an extremely anti-gun candidate that has vowed to pursue more extreme gun control and who has done so in the past. You're shocked the NRA is saying vote for the other guy?! Fuck you, the NRA has recommended demoncrats in the past.

I generally like them, but I wish they would support smart guns. No one is forcing you to buy one, but I want one and it seems every time one becomes available for purchase, the NRA scares the gun dealers and manufacturers away.

Let the free market decide. Stop using scare tactics and death threats to silence a market opportunity.

>>30667194
>wanting to buy a cuck gun

I think your wife needs help prepping the bull

>>30667210
I have an RFID implant in my hand. I would love to go all James Bond with a smart gun. Plus I'm tired of guns getting stolen out of poor white people's homes and then being used by even poorer black people for drug crimes. The media then reports black gun crime committed with stolen guns as if it's regular law-abiding gun owners out there murdering people over crack money. Smart guns, in any capacity, would help stop crime committed with stolen guns (and the numbers are pretty high last I checked with FBI stats).

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>>30667135
>When progun democrats stopped being a thing
Pro gun Democrats are still a thing.

>>30663179
Plenty good people in the NRA, but they seriously need to shut the fuck up and quit strawmanning so hard. They're hurting us at least as much as they're helping us, if not more.

>>30663179
They get too caught up in republican politics (non-gun shit) and are too willing to compromise away our rights, but on the balance they help more than hurt.

It's kind of like the ACLU; better than nothing but they could be better.

Personally my favorite gun group is the MCRGO

>>30664364
>not hunting deer w/ an HCAR...

>>30667361
Kinda, though the party is practically hemorrhaging them all over the place. I mean, it's a demographic with a considerably higher median bullshit detection ability than than all the other (non-crooks) lurking about the party ranks.

If it weren't for the GOP sabotaging hard enough to make me wonder if they actually /want/ to abolish themselves, I'd probably say something along the lines of "on the bright side, at least some of the ones that are leaving the Democratic Party now might wind up reviving the whole Rockefeller Republican thing".

Oh, well.

>>30668069
I'm pro gun and forced to vote Democrat because Republicans think science is a hoax.

>>30667135
> If they had balls they would have endorsed Johnson
The dude who threw a gun away and took on an anti-gun veep? Are you fucking retarded?

>>30667085
And who else are they supposed to go in for, numbnuts? Hillary?
>I want to just straight up ban pistols and dissolve the NRA.
Johnson?
>I'm pretty much just a DNC puppet at this point. Also, meet my good buddy, former Gov of MA and rabid anti-gunner, William Weld.

Or, gee, maybe the guy who did make some dumb gun comments a quarter century ago during the height of the AWB as a NYC-dwelling mogul, but who has long since changed stances (did you know people are capable of such an amazing feat?), has a gun-loving son who reloads his own ammo, and has shown a willingness to consult them on gun rights matters as evidenced by the no-fly list talks he had with them?

What the fuck do you want from them, shitbird? To conjure up the perfect 2A candidate from mud and get him as the only real opponent to the greatest threat we've had to the 2A since the 1994 AWB?

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>>30668181
>Doesn't know a fucking thing about the context

Austin Petersen is literally a professional internet troll. He spent near his entire campaign shitting on Johnson, then, when he clearly had no chance of winning the primary, he literally memed at Johnson on stage and handed him something which at the time probably looked like a cosplay prop.

Johnson's damn pro-2A.

>>30663179
donate money to them all the time

>>30668244
>Johnson's damn pro-2A
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/05/22/weld-seeks-common-ground-on-guns.cnn
Okay. I guess I'll take this fucking liability on top of open borders.Lovely.

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>>30668224
>And who else are they supposed to go in for, numbnuts? Hillary?

I mean, they could also endorse Trump but not shill so hard for him. Say that they are glad to see that he has changed his views but that they will hold him accountable if he changes again.

>Or, gee, maybe the guy who did make some dumb gun comments a quarter century ago during the height of the AWB as a NYC-dwelling mogul, but who has long since changed stances (did you know people are capable of such an amazing feat?)

He was pro gun control when his buddies the Clintons were in office, and now that he sees an opportunity with the GOP he's anti-gun control. That makes me suspicious, especially since he's all about "making deals."

If he were someone like Reagan or Rick Perry, who also changed political affiliations but then spent 20+ years in office actually following through on them I wouldn't be as worried. But he hasn't, so I don't know how much of his newfound pro-gun attitudes are genuine and how much of them are a ploy.

>What the fuck do you want from them, shitbird?

Somebody's mad.

>>30664466
Dat triple double

>>30668390
>I mean, they could also endorse Trump but not shill so hard for him.
Any effort not expended on Trump's behalf is effectively expended for Hillary. It's a simple matter of electoral math and motivating the base to get to the polls.

>>30668390
> they could also endorse Trump but not shill so hard for him
What the fuck even is this? Are you new to politicking?
>He was pro gun control when his buddies the Clintons were in office
Yeah, that was, what, 20+ years ago? For fuck's sake, I was a raging liberal who thought only criminals needed guns less than a decade ago and now I own more semi-auto scary baby killers than I have fingers. I said it once, I said it again; stances change.
> and now that he sees an opportunity with the GOP he's anti-gun control
Or maybe it's because he had an about-face? How do you know what is backing his statements?
>I don't know how much of his newfound pro-gun attitudes are genuine and how much of them are a ploy.
I don't think you really have a fucking choice considering the only other viable alternative is fucking Hillary.
>Somebody's mad.
Answer the question. First you're mad that they chose to endorse the only candidate platform that actually fell in line with their entire reason for existing, then when this is pointed out you think that they should only support him "just a wiiiiiiiidle bit". What kind of retarded pageantry is that?

>>30668142

Just how many refugees live with you Carl?

>>30663179
I wish they held or organized large public rallies in California...God knows I see more NRA stickers in CA than any other state and I myself paid the 1,500 for a life time membership, yet my rights are still being trampled on by San Francisco Cock Suckers.

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>>1006682
/Thread/ >>>>>>> /pol/

>>30663179
They nearly cause me and every man on my dad side of the family to stop supporting them.

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>>30668469
Today I will remind them

>>30669897
$1500? I thought the life time membership was 300

>>30670684
>look up entire speech transcript
>Obama basically saying it was a tragedy and that carelessness lead to something that could have been prevented
>zero mention of gun control, which at the time hadn't been anywhere on Obummer's plate
>using this as evidence Trump is antigun
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/16/breaking-we-have-wept-with-you-obama-says-in-newtown-speech/

I don't like the NRA but their sheer size and the amount of money that its members put toward their efforts are important because without big groups like the NRA or, to a lesser extent GOA, then gungrabber statists like Bloomberg and Soros would be the only ones bribing politicians with regards to 2A issues.

I always get about half-way through the membership form on their website before I decide "maybe some other time" because their goals aren't totally congruent with mine.

>>30663989
>in donald trump's "art of the deal," he mentions that you should greatly inflate your desired compensation for something, and when the other side makes a counter offer, you work further down toward your actual goal for compensation

haggling 101 - fancy words edition

>>30663961
and this is the kind of cuck mentality that fills the NRA with weak kneed attention whores

>>30663179
I don't know. It seems like they stand strong on some issues, but buckle on others.

>>30663179
Proud and a member.

My true church

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>>30663194
>work on the Hughes Amendment.
But won't that hurt the value of current Machine guns in circulation?
don't be selfish

>>30671508
Don't be a jew anon

>>30663179

I hate them, they should have never cozied up to the bible nuts and other crazies just to get their agenda furthered.
Now we're unintentionally fighting other groups fights instead of our own, all the while giving ground on our most cherished causes.

If the NRA was really focused on the 2nd and nothing else I could respect it, but those days are long past.
Their constant nagging for donations that always turn out in the pockets of corrupt politicians also don't inspire a single shred of confidence in me.

>An election where the nominations of no less than three (3) SCOTUS Justices hangs in the balance
>The DNC candidate has literally called for Feinstein-tier gun control on a federal level
>People unironically advocating on /k/ voting against the only real opposition candidate, AND railing against the NRA
Hey, guys, I support your right to be little snowflakes, but could you, like, not do this when the Bill of Rights is hanging in the fucking balance? That'd be great.

>>30664523
>annexing an incredibly important piece of their land with no real justification
You mean something that was Russian until 1952, when it was illegally transferred to Ukraine, that Russia has been pissy about every since?

That piece of 'their' land? With no 'real' justification? Oh okay then.

>>30664522
>American communists doing anything requiring real effort

>>30671570
The SCOTUS is the one thing I worry about the most in an election year.

>>30667361
Progun dem checking in. Hate from all sides cause party mentality vs single issue voting.

>>30671570
>leaving out that one of the presiding justices has said, verbatim, that Heller was a mistake
But yeah, I think a lot of newgunz here are missing the big picture

>>30670755
In one paragraph he says something that could be interpreted as advocating for stricter gun laws.

Anyways, reading that speech was fucking weird. Compared to the shit he says nowadays, he seemed more level headed back then, if only slightly.

>>30664858
Don't forget La'Pierre saying gun owners will suffer a holocaust a la Nazi Germany with the Jews. Oh, and that the UN is causing this.

>>30664858
>On the other hand they say stupid shit like "vidya games to blame"
Please be joking.
Are they really that cozy with their GOP buttbuddies?

>>30671674
Could be, but it was incredibly vague. It really is kind of jarring to read that speech Trump was referencing in that old tweet, nowadays the Gun Grabber in Chief would be screaming
>MUH SALT WEAPONS
right out of the gate. I really can't fault Trump for more or less agreeing with what he said then.

>>30665658
>>30665682
This

>>30671703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z61-FthCetM

Have fun.

>>30671640
I get being frustrated with the two-party rat race. Really, I do. But for a third-party to stand any real chance, they have to be campaigning for at least two years leading up to an election, cramming the Bill of Rights down everyone's throats as they go. Instead, the Libertarians gave their most half-assed effort in recent memory, selected Gary "open borders" Johnson, who then hand-picked a no-fucking-joke ex-Governor of Massachusetts as his running-mate. It's like they're sandbagging. With the SCOTUS seats in the balance, and Hillary going after guns first and foremost, this is not the time for
>I'm a gun lover, BUT-
and
>If you don't vote for the third party, then they'll NEVER win
bullshit. The Libertarians have fucked up, and if you truly care about guns, you'll be giving your vote for Trump. I can see why some would see that as unsavory, but this is a dire goddamned situation we are in now. Next election, fine. Hillary is going to be tossed to the garbage pile of history if she loses 2016, and no way the DNC will nominate anyone half as bad as her as a result next time. Maybe the Libertarians can remember how to campaign properly and actually put some effort into choosing their candidates. Then we can play the game.

>>30663194
God damn quit sperging about this.
It will never happen.

>>30671834
30 seconds in and I'm already angry. Jesus.
>>30671839
Honestly fuck the Libertarians. They play as much party politics as the Republicans and the Democrats, while pretending to have some moral highground.

Political parties only work at dividing people even more.

>>30671834
>citing a really shitty looking flash game
I have no mouth and must REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

>>30671887
I've been growing increasingly less supportive of them, but I'll admit half of that is due to the insufferable smugness you'll get bombarded with by one. After the cherry on top that was the Veep nomination, I really don't know how anyone who aligns with the party for purely ideological reasons instead of memes isn't outrages.

>>30671901
He also COMPLETELY missed the point of American Psycho.

FUCK.

>>30671910
I get what you mean. They sounded like a good option, until I started looking into them, and their candidate.

It's very hard to discuss steel & other less-toxic ammunition or the INSANE TOXICITY of lead without enraging gun faggots.

I really wish stupid people would just shut up.

It's not about toxicity to animals; it's about toxicity to humans. These people are more interested in making wage-slave clones of themselves than trying to do right by their children.

My gripe is less about the NRA and more about their sub-100 IQ followers.

I want to buy non-toxic ammunition for myself and the future of my family, so I guess I'm unamerican, anti-gun, anti-hunting and a science-denying fudd.

Eh, I dont like half of the people that are NRA members, but they're the only lobby group I have in Washington.

>>30671957
I've always thought they were memey, but Johnson and Weld are fucking horrifying candidates if you're an actual Libertard and would deservedly send that ship to the bottom for the next two decades. If those candidates are the best they had to offer, it's time for another third-party. The Pauls were the last real hope, it seems.

>>30671989
Johnny was bad enough Weld convinced me to just jump ship to the GOP

If they're not going to take the race seriously, then why should I stick around

>>30671570
BUT MUH REAL CONSERVATISM

>>30671570
>>30671606
>this concern over the SCOTUS

Christ, how do Americans get by when their top court can't even agree on what the supreme law of the land means?

>>30672071
These are exceptionally dark times. This election is going to decide interpretations of the BoR for the next half century or more. That's why I think it's best that the usual pussyfooting gets crammed into the fucking broomcloset this goaround.

>>30672077
>This election is going to decide interpretations of the BoR for the next half century or more.

Can you imagine the uproar when Hillary's lib court finds the 2A to be, itself, unconstitutional?

If she gets elected, I honestly hope there's a civil war.

>>30672071
Because no matter how unbiased the judges on the SCOTUS are supposed to be, they're still appointed by partisans. Hell you had Ginsberg recent publicly comment on how she thinks Trump is a retard. She isn't wrong, but that's inappropriate as fuck and puts her jurisprudence into question.

>>30672071

They know exactly what it means. The whole system is a charade where they go through the motions of precedings to announce that they'll ignore the parts they don't like.

>>30663961
>guns are only imported from Russia


But for real though, I'll join once they start pushing to repeal retarded import bans.

>>30672101
>If she gets elected, I honestly hope there's a civil war.

Forget if she gets elected, I want one right now.

>>30663179
I have a lifetime membership. They sent me a nice backpack. I like them. I also like that I can buy good brand-name tacticool shit with an NRA label for 5 bucks extra (I have an NRA spyderco and some 5.11 boots)

>>30671886
it may with a trump presidency

>>30671567
dunno man, the jury is still out on corruption... but kinda agree on the whole republican schtick becoming way too bible thumpin' for me

>>30672274

Soon, friend. Don't try to summon the reaper before he comes a-calling. Trump may win, after all.

>>30663179
Good, but kind of fuds

>>30667339
>willingly taking the mark of the beast
Shit, maybe the bible-thumpers were right.

>>30671834
old dudes don't understand video games, now at 10.

But in all honesty nra may not be the best, but they are the only thing helping us.

>>30672694
>using the term fudd unironically

Go away.

>>30672790
open carry fags sure as hell ain't helping

>>30672817
What is wrong with open cary? If you think it is a threat you can see it coming? If people open cary they probably arn't.

>>30663179
Not radical enough. Mostly just an industry trade group to promote the Happy Merchant's gun factory. You want a REAL gun enthusiast organization, try the KRA, Kansas Rifle Association. That's the real deal, cucks.

>>30673062
>What is wrong with open cary?
It is counter-productive in more ways than one. If literally nothing else, it somewhat defeats the purpose of carrying, to be able to defend yourself. When you open carry you publicly go 'LOOK AT ME I HAVE A GUN' and make yourself a target. If a criminal knows you have a gun, they'll do their best to make sure you don't get a chance to use it.

Also people who open carry are half the time being edgy tards with long arms, purposely trying to make people uncomfortable while making a point. Again, if nothing else, it just makes the rest of us look exactly how leftist media wants people to think we look.

>>30667194
>No one is forcing you to buy one, but I want one and it seems every time one becomes available for purchase, the NRA scares the gun dealers and manufacturers away.
Except the New Jersey state government of course (which of course is the reason people blow up when smart guns are talked about). The problem isn't smart guns. The problem is gungrabber legislators making it so that only smart guns are legal to own/purchase.