SHTF Body Armor

>>30646787
Don't buy Condor
Don't buy AR500 Armor

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>>30646787
Get an Armor Carrier.
That's a soft-armor with plate pockets.

360 degree coverage for your torso against frag, common handgun rounds and 12ga buckshot, and protection from most rifles for your chest and back, all in one.

you can usually attach / rise up neck and ground protection with them too, and apply MOLLE pockets on them.

IBA very related; very cheap these days online.

>>30646837
How much does it weigh with all armor inserts?

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>>30646844
Depends on your plates.
I got an L-sized vest with pair of surplus German Lv4 double-curved 10x12 plates in it, which I believe to be steel / steel backed, and the thing weights pretty much 10kg sharp with them + collar pieces on it.

Doesn't really feel bad at all once its on (and sits snuffly).

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>>30646793

y
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>>30646884
That's lighter than I expected. Still would prefer a plate carrier for work in rural areas.

>>30646907
Condor plate carriers literally fall apart from the stress of holding a plate.

AR500 Armor has a recall out because they sold plates that won't meet NIJ III requirements.

>>30646793
>mfw when hopped on the ar500 train

I picked up two level 3 plates for $115, i regret nothing

>>30646950
Well, I guess they'll make good training plates if you ever do pull ups in your carrier or something.

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>>30646950
's alright.
Having armor > not having armor at all.

And no, in some armed uprising, people ain't gonna be blasting black-tip ammo at you. Most nignogs are gonna be waving their "Glock 40s" and maybe blasting some cheap .223 at best.

>>30646907
BAN ASSAULT PISS BOTTLES!
THINK OF THE INNOCENT CHILDREN PEOPLE!
YOU DON'T NEEEEEEEED A WHOLE JUG!

>>30646991
>rated to stop majority of the most common ballistic treats you are most likely going to face in a western, civilized world
I seriously don't get the "hate" towards AR500 stuff. Sure, they're heavy, but being unable to stop threats it is not designed to cover from ain't exactly a "flaw".

>>30647086
Not being able to stop 5.56 55gr ball past certain velocities is kind of a big deal in a country where ARs are commonplace and 55gr ball is one of the most common rounds available.

>>30647109
then get a III+ plate?
Or wear the III one in tandem with soft armor?

>>30647062
It doesn't have the shoulder thingie that goes up and it has serial numbers so it not a ghost jug with a thousand gallons per second, ban it anyways

>>30647143
III with soft armor is not going to stop M193 reliably.

Steel III+ is not my idea of a great system. The III+ steel plates (AR650, AR680) are all on the very ragged edge of stopping M193 out of a 20" barrel. Meaning that anything very slightly lighter and faster will still penetrate. 45gr and 50gr hunting rounds come to mind. That and the inconsistency of steel from suppliers and existing plate failures and recalls do not exactly fill me with confidence.

>>30647254
Please listen to this guy and just get the fucking ceramic LVL IV plates already.

>>30647254
huh. I've seen quite a bunch of torture test videos on YT, with some guys spraying their AR500 with ARs, AKs and various .308s, and they tend to work just fine against anything lesser than a literal black-tip 7.62 NATO loads.

>>30647348
The gun used barely matters, all that matters is the projectile make and the velocity. You can bang on AR500 all day with M855 but some of the exact same plates will look like swiss cheese if you shot them the exact same way with M193.

>>30646991
>>30647322

I plan on getting ceramic lvl 4s, I just dont have the money yet

For some reason having airshit plates in my PC was triggering the shit out of me

>>30646940
>Condor plate carriers literally fall apart from the stress of holding a plate.

source?

>>30647254
Don't forget weight. Steel weighs double what most ceramics weigh. Pure polyethylene plates are the best for lightweight setups.

>>30648951
Don't have any one specific source. Just googling will find examples.

>>30648978
Absolutely. One thing is that I would caution against using poly plates in CONUS because they won't stop M855.

>>30646787
sure it could be useful but daily reminder if your SHTF plan is not to avoid human contact as much as possible your SHTF plan is shit

>>30648951
Not him but experience. Single stitched garbage that doesn't even have properly spaced MOLLE.

>>30646907
>>30647062
I knew a dude who killed a girl in iraq with a frozen piss bottle.

>>30649070
>>30649018
I'm not gonna defend condor as a high quality brand, but as a starter PC it's pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjNPdpmkt0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js3A_-cJEIM

are either one of these reviews bad?

>>30649070
Mine holds mag pouches pretty well, plates are coming in soon so i guess ill see about that.

>>30649194
Idk. I'm not going to watch any reviews on it. This is shit to hold protective armor. As in, you believe you will be shot at, at some point. Why even entertain the notion of going with a shit option meant for airshit because "it's a good starter"?

Buy good kit in the first place or don't buy it at all. If you don't think you're going to need something to stop bullets, then buy a chest rig from condor and enjoy your time at the range/innawoods.

>>30649194
Look, just because you can find some good review doesn't mean if you buy one you'll have a good experience. A lot of the reviews are shit like "I've had it for a month and worn it twice, it holds up okay." You can pay $150-$250 and get a very nice plate carrier nowadays.

>>30649232
I'm not disagreeing with you i just don't see how it is going to fall apart unless ridiculously abused.

>>30649227
I don't get what you are saying,how will the PC affect the plates bullet stopping ability.
Are you saying that a condor PC will hold armor less securely or incorrectly?


To both when i said "are either one of these reviews bad?" i meant are they trustworthy or are they shilling.

>>30646787
Any common hunting round can defeat body armor

>>30649295
It will effect it by falling apart after a couple training classes or long weekends in the boonies.

>>30649027
This

I love the deluded sheepdogs and wannabe raiders

>>30649318
Not necessarily. ESAPI will stop AP .30-06

>>30649341
I guess we will see, i got plates coming in and i plan to stress test during an island camping trip.

If salt water, sand and sun don't beat it nothing will. If it break then i'm glad in break then and now during shtf.

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>>30649027

Nigga that's my EDC plan.

>>30649295
As in major components are literally held together by one row of uneven stitching. That is a major failure point. Hell on the pictures of the Gunner PC I've seen, the stitching holding the plate retention flap on is stitched to the 3d spacer mesh so if that shit wears out the plates are going to sag in the platebag or eventually just fall out. Remember this thing is going to be loaded with 20 lbs or so of weight between plates and ammo. Even higher end carriers in constant use with SOF units end up being replaceable items. Just know that if things get really bad your ability to get new gear is going to be very limited, you want your equipment to last.

>>30649368
It wont stop 22 250, 25 06, 270win 6.5x55, 243win, 204 ruger, 7mm, definitely not 300 win, 300wsm 300wby mag etc. Alot of calibers blow even level 4 plates the fuck out, be it penetrating or transfering energy. Still better than no armor.

>>30649438
Are these things that you've tested or seen tested, or are you just hypothesizing? Match .300 win mag won't pass through a typical level IV plate. Hell, there are janky youtube videos of people shooting M2AP projectiles loaded into .300 win mag and not having shoot-through.

>>30649493
Correction: The M2AP can pass through if loaded to win mag specs. Skipped through a video too quickly and mixed up some results. The typical ball stuff will not.

>>30646787
If you have deep pockets and 12000 usd hete you go helmets good against rifle rounds and is baptised with a /k/ommando patch

>>30647109
Link to video?

I've seen videos of it stopping .308 from a 20" barrel, which it claims it is rated up to. They're the same weight, if not lighter than, most ceramic plates I've looked up online. And they're at least half the price.

I still don't get the hate.

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>>30646787
I'd rather Die on my feet loud and fast

>>30646787
http://www.beezcombatsystems.com/

I like mine. I work out in it every other day and haven't noticed any wear.

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>>30649623
Whoops new phone camera. Still waiting on my Spectre Clearance from the mods

>>30649610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vkighPlBoc

Stopping .308 is easier than stopping something light and fast like M193 for a steel plate. Larger diameter projectiles can be harder to get penetration with.

The reason they can be lighter is because companies that make steel plates chop off all the fucking corners to make them extra light, leaving you with roughly 2/3rds the actual sq. in armor coverage. Meanwhile for less than $180 per you can get level IV ceramics that are sub 7 lb and have a regular SAPI profile.

>>30649493
If you get hit by a 300 win mag under 300 meters it doesn't matter of it goes through or not. And yes ive tested a few, the fast 6mm SP/HP/and ploytip rounds fly through it at up to 100m, if they dont make it through your seeing a fuck load of back deformation thatll kill you, 300win and wsm ballistic tips blew through it consistently at 100-200, and about 40% of the time at 300 but always had massive back deformation the kinetic energy transfer would kill you no matter what. Also you can load 308 AP into most 30cal hunting cartridges like 300win, 300win ap is scary stuff out to 500m

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>>30649623
>>30649664

Stats?

>>30649664
Where you get that sweet helmet?

>>30649678
>posts a video that is not AR500 plates
anon...

yall need to specify ar500 the steel or ar500 the brand.

Cause i have ar500 lvl 4 ceramic and they are fine

>>30649762
Opscore, along with velocity systems and TNVC that helmet costs 3500 usd to order and make... I am the only citizen with one on record... becuase no one was serious enough to want rifle rated protection to there skull

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>>30649781
But it is. Just because it doesn't say AR500 in the video title doesn't mean the plates aren't AR500.

http://www.catiarmor.com/Base-Coat-10x12-Single-Plate-Formed_p_102.html

anon...

>>30649940
>>30649678
so I guess this video (and others) where they shot the same ammo out of the same length barrel at AR500 (brand) armor is bullshit? anon...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3TsZbX5BwI

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>>30649756
the entire system is based off halo 4 and doom guy. all the plates can be removed or Jettsoned. from the main body. with fast detach clips, the armor carrier is an eagle land CIRAS with quick release deltoid ceramic pauldrons got in the way of quick release hooked them underneath vest into suspenders

>>30649974
system weight is around 22 lbs..

>>30649974
>CIRAS
Best vest.
Though I actually prefer maritime.

>>30649971
>your youtube video is wrong but my youtube video is right!

You realize how illogical this line of reasoning is, right? Sometimes armor does not behave the same way in different tests, even when the variables are controlled as best as possible. There is inherent variability when comparing AR500 plates from different manufacturers, of different thicknesses, with different suppliers of the steel used. The velocity of the actual rounds chronoed in differently in these two tests as well, which doesn't surprise me given M193 is not known for good velocity consistency combined with the possibility of different ambient temp.

>>30650060
Nice backpedaling and excuses. Here's another video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRh6sf6LLtM

And I'll leave you with a video of the "level III+" steel plate defeating 55gr from a 22" barrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfA3Qv9JjBA

>>30650042
the soft armor was fucking expensive but it was even harder to get nij 06 ancillary panels and matching additions in 2015. The vest and all parts related to it have all but dried up now.
when I am old and grey I will donate my load out to the smithsonian

>>30650116
>backpedaling and excuses
Yup, the fucking 100+ fps velocity difference doesn't mean anything. Neither does different plate thicknesses! Apparently only the plates you like qualify as AR500, fuck what the manufacturers say about the steel.

All the level III+ steel plates on the market right now are a reaction to people finding out they could shoot holes in regular level III plates with M193. Like seriously 2-3 years ago nobody made those until youtube vids showing shoot-throughs with M193 started popping up.

Also seriously you are so defensive about these steel plates. Do you realize that maybe I'm not a fucking ceramic plate manufacturer trying to cuck you into buying my expensive plates? I don't waste my time making the exact same fucking arguments on /k/ every week just because I find it enjoyable. It's because this is fucking life support gear and because internet misinformation spreads like wildfire.

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>>30650253
I agree people said rifle rounds to the helmet would kill you I am alive and have this to prove otherwise. no concussion but it was a terrible head ache. spine/ neck is good to go. Until I can get some thin lvl 4 ceramics that weigh less then 4 lbs and stops 11 rounds of 30-06 I don't think anyone will be satisfied with the armor industry in its current state.

Also people should go read >>30573563

Cause I spent way too much time fighting random anons in a thunderbowl-esque armor debate for that info to be lost to the ages.

>>30650319
>>30650298
I was there before I bought my pass been there done that what a mess that thread was.

What's the cheapest you could get adequate protection for an action packed trip to Detroit?

>>30650253
Why are people scared about steel??and what's the difference between steel plates and ceramic?
First time poster.

>>30649664
Why wouldn't someone want a rifle proof helmet? Where's you get the mandible guard? Did it come with the helmet? Also have you seen revisions batlskin helmets?

>>30650298
I'd like to get a helmet in black, but not for 3500

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>>30650411
my mandible guard is a gunsight mandible from ops core. Not a big demand for them since they only work with their helmets They come in black , coyote,multicam, & foliage green. Humanity has sure come a long way ...

>>30650411

There's a common 5.56 round that can defeat level III steel when shot out of a 20-inch barrel

Level III was supposedly supposed to stop most common 5.56 and .308 threats

Steel is almost twice as heavy as ceramics but is much cheaper

>>30650411
People are invested in their steel plate purchases or they don't want to pay out $160 for some level IV ceramic. Steel tends to have difficulty stopping higher velocity stuff with relatively low sectional density. So historically the stuff like M193 would pass through level III steel plates. Then people started posting vids on youtube of that and level III+ steel plates became popular, sometimes using extra thickness of AR500, sometimes using different hardness (AR600, AR650, AR680, etc). Some of these plates (eg: Armor Wear) can be penetrated by hot M193 out of a longer barrel, others can be penetrated by 40gr and 50gr hunting rounds. This will depend somewhat on batch to batch variations in heat treat and other processing as none of the steel armor manufacturers own a steel mill, they all rely on outside suppliers for materials.

Ceramic plates are generally lighter than steel of equivalent protection levels. Ceramic as a material offers more potential for higher threat protection like NIJ level IV simply due to weight. It will fragment and break up when hit, but generally the plates will be fine, don't get fooled by people memeing about ceramic not standing up to multihit.

>>30650411
It's not rifle "proof" its in conjunction with the helmet to stop up to 2500fps threats so most .300 blk, ak47, slow moving lead .308 and 5.56 at 100/150 yards. Its by no means rifle proof and I don't have the time nor the funding to buy another one... shits already /k/ spectre level black. only one site sells to civilians and the others require dod credentials.

>>30650490
Sounds like once they take enough rounds their finished though.

>>30650497
Couldn't you just bribe a swat guy to give you a steel helmet? During the Orlando shooting a swat helmet stood up to the guys AR.

>>30650473
If its not rifle proof what's the point of spending 3500 dollars? Sounds like a waste of money. When society breaks down your going to need a helmet that can stand up rifles.

>>30650638
"Enough" rounds is not really something easily quantified. Realistically I don't think it's very likely to get shot 10 times in the plate.

>>30650638
>During the Orlando shooting a swat helmet stood up to the guys AR.

Simple kevlar helmets stopping rifle rounds happens often enough to make note of, but 9/10 times the round will go straight through. He got lucky or took a glancing round is all

>>30650688
Also he had a NVG mount on that fell off when the round hit it. So it may have caused the round to frag before it even hit real kevlar.

>>30650654
You are in war

>>30650712
How did you know that anon?

So it was a fluke?

>>30650930
Even in war very few people get shot in the plate, much less multiple times.

>>30650957
http://soldiersystems.net/2016/06/28/revision-helmet-saved-orlando-swat-officers-life/
Pretty much.

>>30650975
Hopefully you /k/ommandos make me war ready

>>30649508
neat

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I have a IBA with AR500 and a several second chance vests with stab protection and trauma plates keepshooting.com sold 4 or so years ago.

My wife has C cup tits and nothing fits her great. Anybody have suggestions on carriers for girls with tits?

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Hmm, new Eagle CIRAS for 129.00?
Downside: ACU

What's the catch here...?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Eagle-Industries-ACU-Maritime-CIRAS-Vest-Medium-ARMY-Rangers/152069057960

>>30647086
>ballistic treats
9mm tootsie roll.

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>>30651292

>>30646787
Most ghetto affordable option is too melt HDPE plastic into slabs about an inch thick, then top it with porcelain tile. Duct tape that shit in place.

>>30649664
What is this?

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>>30652104
more like pictured but not Lv4.

Do you faggots not have wifes?

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Bought a pre-owned, basically new plate carrier yesterday and it came with two of pic related.

Can anyone tell me what level protection these are? All I could find was one forum post saying its lvl 4

>>30652205
nope. I actually am a fgt so I don't have to worry about my partner getting tits in the way of his armor

>>30652205
this is why i like smaller tits. because shit like this is worthless. Armour molded to larger breasts will more often than not, deflect a blow in a way you really really dont want.

>>30652328

didn't mention that the plates are like, half an inch thick which is why I doubt its lvl 4 capabilities

>>30652112
I've seen the HDPE vs .45 ACP video so I know that works, but do you have any evidence for the tile? I've never seen anybody actually shoot that

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>>30652358
Most /k/ommandos have dd cup or larger.

>>30650474
So, as a firefighter in an urban area I keep a shitty condor carrier with III+ plates in the back of my truck. My plan is to wear it under my turnouts (it does fit) if I ever have to respond to nignog-ville during extreme civil unrest. I would like to get a better carrier, so we can ignore that 0art for now.

From what I usually see this will protect me from pistols and 7.62x39 without much trouble, yeah?

>>30651292
My wife is chesty as well. D cup but wears a small size shirt cuase she is slim. These things are just not made for them.

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>not going fully retard

>>30646793
>don't buy condor
but anon, I am going to

>>30647252
3d printing has begun an era where people can just make as many assault piss bottles as they want. If we don't start banning soon, we'll have mass splashing on our hands!

>>30649083

Story?

>>30646787
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/01/robert-farago/just-case-elsa-ballistic-vest/
How does everyone feel about this? I think itd be pretty practical to have armor that isnt super flashy and can be carried anywhere if shit went down

>>30653868
You are wasting every penny. You will look like a fucking christmastree on IR.

>>30654113
pretty interesting, I like how it packs up with mags ready, buuttt
>MSRP: $449
I think it'll just get a small duffel bag

>>30654401
Thats with plates included. The carrier alone is $190

>>30653962
While driving through towns and shit Iraqis would run up and ask for water and stuff. Most guys would throw a water bottle over or sometimes candy (we learned not to do that too often because kids would swarm the vehicle). Well there's always a few assholes and they would throw bottles of piss instead, some especially heinous privates would throw MRE bags full of shit (hearts and minds right?) One especially fat and mean Mexican decides to one day freeze a 1 liter bottle of piss he filled up. Day comes and he flings this pissicle out of the turret at a group of kids running alongside yelling for water and beams a little girl in the side of the head and cracks her skull. Killed her. PFC dick bag is smoked and whole company told to stop throwing shit out of the vehicles.

>>30652328
Yeah if those are from 1999 there is no way they are level IVs. Original SAPI plates were rated for M80 ball.

gear queer question here: do you attach pouches and shit to your plate carrier or do you put a chest rig over it?

>>30651469
CIRAS vests aren't expensive. The armor is super expensive.

>>30646793
Their 1020 series looks good imo. I think I'll buy JNB though.

If I were to make a home made plate out of -
- ceramic floor tile (1-2 layers thick)
- woven roving fibre glass weave saturated in synthetic polyester resin (a fuck ton of layers)
- Kevlar backing behind this (1-2 layers thick)

and stuck it in a plate carrier, would it be able to stop bullets?

>>30656885
Depends on what you need to do. If you aren't going to switch back and forth between different loadouts and weapons then it's easier to direct attach pouches. If you're a mil guy there are some situations where you would want to be able to unclip your chest rig for 5.56 and swap it for your 7.62 chest rig.

>>30656891
Never seen them at 129 though... usually at least 200ish, on up to crazy money, depending on how they are loaded.

I figure at 129, no reason not to buy - at least for me.

>>30656584
Lost

>>30656991
Try it

>>30657007
I want to but I would have to commit to getting materials and I'm not sure if I should bother.

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>>30652358
>>30652471
>boobs getting in the way

they have a surgery for that you know
delicious high speed/low drag chest is best for operating

>>30646793

Yeah, buy ceramic so when you treat it too roughly, you can drop another 300 dollars on a new one. Also, shelf life, multiple hits, etc.

>>30656996
It's because it's in UCP. No one wants UCP shit anymore and they can't sell it.

>>30647254

You are so full of shit. 3300 fps not fast enough?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FfA3Qv9JjBA

>>30656996
Buy that shit if you don't mind ucp. It's a great price.

>>30657086
Holy shit, when will people stop parroting the same misinformation over and over again? You realize that even Muhreen privates who can break anything get issued ceramic plates and do fine, right? As for shelf life they are stable, the 5 years what the fuck ever is basically how long the manufacturer will support them for due to liability reasons, not that they will suddenly fail to stop rounds after the 5 year mark. And ceramic plates are good for multiple hits. Anyone who thinks they will just fall apart after 1 shot is delusional.

>>30657120
Wow, I guess seeing a youtube video has disproved my entire premise, it's not like other III+ plates will fail against M193, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S14LyHUsZI0

>>30657086
Yeah come SHTF how many are still xraying their ceramic plates

>>30657216

Yeah, the muhreens, with a fucking unlimited government checkbook to replace plates once you see microfractures starting.

>>30657241
In 6 years in the army I literally did not have a single guy in my company have to get issued new plates because he broke them.

>>30657241
>muhreens
>unlimited government checkbook
ahahahahahhaahh

pls anon

Seriously though the plates don't get replaced nearly as often as you think.

>>30657257

I'm sure you kept a detailed log of your unit's gear.

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>>30652358
>>30657058
>Not using your tits offensively

>>30657267

I know its not a monthly thing or even a yearly thing, but if shit goes down, there is no way to just order up a new set. Or if your plate gets hit, you are still stuck with that plate. Not a huge confidence booster in my opinion.

>>30657274
Well considering we got our shit x-rayed both in theater and coming back, and that whole platoons would be smoked for breaking shit, and that never happened because of a broken plate, I would say it's a fairly accurate statement.

Source your fucking claims if I'm so wrong.

>>30657326
You shouldn't be getting hit in the first place. Your armor is basically a get out of jail free card for when you fuck up. You shouldn't be fucking up so colossally in a "SHTF" scenario that you're even in a firefight, let alone hanging around long enough to be hit.

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Eagle industries CIRAS or SPC? Whats the better of the two in your opinion?

I have the chance to pickup an SPC for 200 and it comes with iiia sewn in

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>>30646837
Woohoo party like it's 2006 again!

>>30652356
Until he decides to MTF without you knowing or consenting. Her body, her choice.

>>30646787
how many more nigga dallas style police ambushes do you give it before body armor becomes illegal for personal purchase?

>>30655428
oh OK, that's not bad then

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Verseidag Bellator, NIJ III soft armor and NIJ IV plates. Very happy with mine.

http://ballisticprotection.fi/fi/product/bellator/

http://ballisticprotection.fi/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Data-sheet-BELLATOR-012015.pdf

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>>30659884
Coupled with Savotta M/05 load bearing vest if need be

Lol everyone wanting to be tacticool soo bad

>>30649438
Stop posting bullshit

>>30652171
I'm not that anon, but that looks to be an Ops Core helmet equipped with a SLAAP (Super Light Applique Armor) plate and an Ops Core Gunsight mandible.

>>30656584

Wow, just wow. On the one side I can laugh at the absurdity of the story, on the other hand it's just sad how stupid and incompetent some people are.

>>30654394
see the problem is body armour is illegal here in Australia but the condor carriers are freely available on ebay but the plates would be nearly impossible to import without sending up flags.
I could get one and try making my own plates with a 6mm steel plate covered with resin, kevlar a layer of mesh backed small tiles, fibreglass and resin in any gaps, more kevlar and resin, another layer of tiles, fibreglass in the gaps, more resin, another layer of kevlar and then a final wrap of kevlar to hold the layers together.
it probably wont work but its all I can do

>>30660372
Test it yourself

>>30660521
replace "stupid and incompetent" with "assholes"
well, they're probably the former along with the latter

Why are plates flat? If you made them with half inch deep hills along the length of the armor, like pin stripes of a suit, wouldnt rounds fragment before impacting the valley? Which in turn could have thicker reinforcements along the length of the back.

>>30649664

>Power Rangers lead the way!

A milsurp store nearby has what looks like an M69 vest with short sleeves. It's obviously not bullet proof, but I does anyone know how effective those were against shrapnel? Is it worth getting for anything besides shits and giggles?

>>30660594
Some are curved, but they're more expensive and how much more effective they are is debatable compared to other factors.

>>30660594
>>30660761
Whoops, read that wrong, damn it /k/ stop making me drink.

It's because that'd be expensive, heavy, and terribly uncomfortable.

Also, the reason plates work is because it displaces the energy across the entire plate, if it's just displaced on the "hill" it'll break that part of the plate, which would make more shrapnel that's now being thrown at your face. also it'll lead to faster structural integrity loss once the initial shot chips it.

>>30660521
Yeah. That one specific guy is the embodiment of almost every negative stereotype about veterans.

>>30646787
Just got 2 level IV ceramic plates from shellback tactical for 296 dollars.

What's a good high quality PC for someone who's 6'4" and 270 lbs with a gorilla chest? Looking to spend 300-400.

>>30649438
>204 ruger.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahah proofs?

>>30661402
The Velocity Systems Scarab is in your price range but I would check to see which one takes 10x12 plates. The Mayflower APC in S/M should take your plates and it's easy to order it with a larger cummerbund. The SKD Tactical PIG PC should be a good option as well. The Eagle MMAC is also well received.

>>30661402
AWS OCPC

- Stitch by stitch the same as a LBT 6094 (proven plate carrier used by SOF)
- Uses more durable 1000 denier fabric for outer construction instead of 500 denier that LBT uses
- 150 bones for OCPC vs 450 for a LBT 6094
- Made here in Muricuh by a very reputable gear manufacturer
- Same day shipping

>>30660576
Bullets will fly through regular A36 steel like butter, the Kevlar and resin won't be much help either. You can try looking for high wear steel that is used in mining operations which has a much higher hardness close to that of AR500 steel armor.

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What's the best crotch protection you can get?
Seriously senpai.

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>>30661932

>>30652356
what about manboobs?

>>30653249
>protecting something that will never get any use
j-jokes on you

>>30650654
>Get shot 7 times in the plate
>Dude, move

>>30653209
After seeing videos of the Watts riots I can't agree with this idea more

>>30661724
yeah some 4340 plate
the kevlar, resin and tiles are just to try to slow the bullet down so it dongs into the plate and doesn't ping through it

>>30653209
get a level 4 plate for the rear
niggers love attacking when you're backs turned

>>30656891
Exactly top tier lightweight balcs soft armor runs 1000 to 1200 usd new then add another 2000 for light weight plates to make up for the extra couple pounds for the quick release I run Dkx M3's the side 6x8's weight 1 lb each so I have my vest with all the stuff on it around a moderate 10 lbs.

>Guys! Get the most heavy armor protection, thats not really comfortable, and sticks out like a sore eye
>go outside during SHTF
>by yourself, because who needs other people, right?
>you'll be taking people down left and right! That body armor will also deflect 1000 shots aimed at you, like in the video games!!

Unless you have an organized armed group, if you're civilian, keeping your fucking head down and not sticking out is number 1.
Or you can keep dreaming those fantasies about you being rambo.

The company AR500 makes a decent level IV plate, I don't trust their other stuff.

I have a Crye helmet with sparta chops, I don't expect it to stop any bullets, just shrapnel when the race war begins.

What I really want is gen 3 NV goggles, with IR laser.

Make sure you get a helmet first

Protecting your head from bullet splash, bounces, and ranged fire is more important in defensive actions, which SHTF is

You can always put your body behind cover, but you'll always need to expose your head

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US Palm Defender, Tactical Tailor Fight Light pouches, DPX H.E.S.T.

Also, I'm a surefire fan boy (have over a grand of their lights) but I got a hard on for the Streamlight Sidewinder compact. Wanna keep it on my rig until I get nods then mount it on a helmet. Anyone used it?

>>30663050
Yeah, but non-retards will always be aiming for your center of mass. The head is insanely hard to hit because it is a small, constantly moving target.

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>>30662935
instead of thinking covert vs overt why not think about what the mission dictates? Just becuase I have a ciras with all of its crap does not mean I would wear all of it! LOL no I would wear the bare minimum of each and keep the rest in storage or add the required protection pending close quarters house raiding or if I was in the arctic and needed insulation. You don't want to go over 20 lbs total and 13 lbs for armor overt or covert sheesh guys I post my cool helmet and ciras and EVERYONE on /k/ ASSUMES I don't radically train and have been trained to handle what an armor carrier is. wanna keep it light enough to not blow out my knees on 20 mile walks - hikes or my 3 mile jobs in my county park. lol

>>30663182
try aiming for legs even its even more difficult. When I was training with sim rounds I found most rounds ricocheted off walls and grazed my forearms and quads the most when I did get it it was directly center mass during a hostage situation with our fire team pinned down in a "fake village" O_o

>>30663182

I'm assuming that you're actually bunkered down in SHTF, such as in your home with fortified positions inside of such

If you're in the streets, yes, a vest with front, rear and side protection is going to be better

You don't want to go in the streets unless you need something life saving, though

It's why I say to buy a helmet before a vest and steel

>>30663134
Do you know the name of that fixed blade "special forces group" knife? Its basically spearpoint and straight, but has a weird J-tail for the checkered-grid style micarta grip?

>>30663357
Are you talking about a J knife?

>>30663357
Sounds like you're talking about the Winkler/Dynamis knife or rhe Outland Equipment Kryptos

>>30663436
>Outland Equipment Kryptos
Thats the one. Thanks!

Any experience with it?

>>30663464
Nope, just what I see on Soldiersystems. Looks like a nice knife though. Size wise I bet it would disappear under a t-shirt with the right sheath.

>>30663182
I agree in principle but the head is not that much harder to hit than the upper chest. Nobody is bobbing and trying to slip punches in a firefight. There are some SOF guys (NSW guys especially) who swear by going for only headshots in CQB distances because of armor, terminal effectiveness, and bomb vests.

>>30663538
I remember now why I didnt buy it before....
>$395

Is Blue Force Gear worth the money? They seem like stupid light carriers but am unsure of the quality, especially at the price.

>>30663572
to be fair though we wont have to deal with many operators, who we'll be dealing with a shitload of scared and hungry human animals with easily obtained weaponry shooting anyone who they come across to steal supplies from or if they're desperate enough, cook and eat their human flesh

Is voodoo tactical any good?
Im looking for a plate carrier for urban SHTF.

I had these 3 in mind and would like some input.

http://www.voodootactical.net/p-2253-voodoo-tactical-rapid-assault-tactical-rat-molle-plate-carrier-vest.aspx

http://www.voodootactical.net/p-797-voodoo-tactical-high-mobility-plate-carrier.aspx

http://www.voodootactical.net/p-1583-voodoo-tactical-20-0097-molle-hayden-plate-carrier-for-soft-or-hard-armor.aspx

>>30663582
Yeah, knives are fucking expensive. At least it's better priced than the Rat Kyle Defoor likes. I'm pretty much done buying knives now that I have a Colonelblades Lowvz and a Clinch Pick. Maybe someday when I have free time and money I can learn to make knives myself.

>>30663654
That's true. I personally think 3 body + 1 head is the ideal engagement sequence with a carbine. Some people like John McPhee (former CAG) teach a "zipper," shooting 3 rounds, starting in the high chest and walking them up so the second strikes the neck and the third strikes the head.

>>30663666
I think Voodoo is the same stuff as Condor under a different name? I wouldn't have high expectations for a sub $100 carrier. This is one of those things where a carrier that costs twice as much can last much longer than twice as long.

>>30660576
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsycTtzWw2s

>>30646787
With SHTF, your best bet unless you are at some kind of guard at a Compound, is to NOT stick out. So, Concealable body armour is your best bet.

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>>30652471
>Most /k/ommandos have dd cup or larger.
I chuckled.

>>30663572
This

>>30663713
cheers

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>>30659884
the FDF's M05 bodyarmor seems to be at least based on similar design. They're maximum comfy, I tell you.

>>30663713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXmyCfB_k5I

>>30664015
This one is better, it stops rifle then handgun rounds:
>>30664045

>>30662695
I've got both plates, but no side plates. I still need to move.

>>30663255

pretty much guaranteed the mission does not include standing out like that. not only does it say shoot me first it also says I have a lot of great loot at home.

>>30664045
>>30664079
interesting
I wonder if two ceramic and a steel plate wrapped in denim would do the trick

>>30664114
no I mean, get a rifle plate for your back

>>30646837
has the DoD stopped hunting down every last piece of that sold on ebay?
https://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=218605

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>>30664256
No idea. I grabbed a pair of IBAs a few years ago from Ebay for ~100 bucks each, and now it seems like I did well.

Last time I checked, all military issue gear was becoming no-no. If it's said to be a private purchase, it should be OK.

>>30664405
well they haven't come for you yet, that bodes well

>>30664518
well, I got the small benefit of being also an Euro-bean. I don't give a fuck if the sales were "allowed" or not, and almost half a decade later, who'd care.

anyone have the LBT slick? thinking about it for my first PC, already have a few vests, including a smersh, so load bearing ability isn't much of a concern to me.

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>>30664806
pic not necessary but I thought of adding it anyways and forgot because I'm drunk

>>30660576
>Australia
not even once. fuck you guys and your faggot laws.

>>30664868
>not even once. fuck you guys and your faggot laws.
don't have to remind me

>>30664873
not him, but I pity you guys, hope your politicians see reason sooner or later

>>30664973
Better they see a noose.

>>30664973
yeah me too, I don't mind the licensing system and the requirement to have a gunsafe and all guns being registered etc etc but having to be part of a gun club to get a license is the poops

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What's the best/most reliable place to buy plates and vests online?

>>30665058

craigslist in a city immediately adjacent to a military base.

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>>30664806
>>30664815
Check out their new prototype
It looks like it has tubes like a First Spear vest

>>30665109
Bullshit dog, I'm right by Pendleton, not a damn thing except for old gulf war shit in the surplus stores

>>30663255

Got any tips for outfitting the CIRAS vest? I just snagged a carrier for 50 bucks at work and want to start getting it set up.

>>30665223

god you're stupid

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>>30665124
TUUUUUUUUUUUBES

>>30646940
You get the level III+ plates if you go AR500, nobody ever says to get shitty III's, ceramic or steel.

>>30647254
So what am I supposed to do if a ceramic plate turning into dust after 3-4 hits doesn't fill me with confidence?

Sure they saved my life but if it's a SHTF scenario I can't get new plates.

>>30649438
>But Roland your plate mail will not stop a giant wielding a great maul! Chain mail is best!

I feel like some arguments never end, just change slightly. Any option comes with a trade-off, just pick which one you feel you're better off with.

I wanted to get the plastic stuff at one point but it gets damaged if it's around 150° and it gets that hot here in a car during summer... everything has its negatives.

>>30665620
make new ones
>>30664045
>>30663713

>>30664188
Yeah, I have both. Front and back.

>>30661664
>>30661519
So I'm torn between the PIG SKD or the shellback banshee. Will probably end up with the banshee.

Anyone know much about the safeguard coolmax IIIa concealed vests? Thinking about getting one of those too.

>>30649438
>It wont stop 22 250,
wrong seen test that shows otherwise
>25 06,
dunno
>270win
wrong seen test that shows otherwise
>6.5x55,
dunno
>243win,
doubt
>204 ruger,
doubt
>7mm,
doubt
>definitely not 300 win,
wrong seen test that shows otherwise
>300wsm
dunno
>300wby mag etc.
dunno

LVL 4 ceramic stops a lot higher than its rate for in most circumstances

research more man youtube is your friend

Does /k/ side plate?
I need to read up to figure out what setup I want, any good forums discussing armor/gear?

>>30659884
Verseidag is based

>>30646787
LBT 6094 cuz it's expensive and it feels nice, they're really fucking tough too, you can buy a nearly decade old carrier and everything will be intact and ready to rock

For armor plates, run whatever you want to run, everything has plusses and minuses but AR500 even if it's not up to it's own spec which is fairly exceptional to start with, should stop anything nignogs throw at you

>>30646787
would ductaping magazines around my fore arms and shins like in that world war Z movie, be effecive against riot type violence?

>>30666383
better than nothing but significantly worse than simple sports gear like shin guards

>>30659899
radio?

>>30649938
>search out the slaap
>milpol customers only
God dammit

>>30646787
From what I've read in first hand SHTF accounts, concealable body armor is the way to go. And you'd really only wear it for major purchases or transactions. I'm talking real life SHTF, not 10yrs-after-the-apocalypse SHTF.

I have a slick plate carrier and am now considering getting the old school concealable vest type.
>sadface

>>30650497
Post full kit ?

>>30666185
I'm looking into the banshee as my first PC as well.

Any one able to give us some input?

>>30661402

Where did you get those?

>>30666769
What do you have? Im looking to buy a plate carrier.

>>30666704
>>30666769
nelson and co sells to upstanding citizens just tell them Hossler sent you. Also SAS sells a concealable vest that supports my ultra thin balacs panels and 10x12 plates. I would have to get steel though to keep thiness under .35 inchs

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>>30667010
full kit when I am not wearing but I am still getting it adjusted to fit I designed it to have detachable plate pockets and the deltoids are connected to my suspenders on my belt to not interfere with quick release . looking to get buoyant hoplite plates for it soon and waiting on my dkx m3 plates should cut 14 lbs off my loadout so I get plate carrier weight with full upper /hip coverage. No drop legs no kydex its to rigid.

>>30665124
>tfw when lbt's "innovations" for the past 5 years involve copying someone else
>tfw their copies don't even have reverse compatibility with originals

As a 6094 owner I wish LBT knew how to innovate. If I could design my ideal PC for a $200-$300 price point it would be a hybrid of the LBT 6094 and the Mayflower APC. The front platebag would have the swiftclips and the front flap would have the velcro molle like the APC, both platebags would be padded like the 6094, the cummerbund attachment would be like the APC, the drag handle would be from the 6094, and the shoulder straps would be the new ones off the APC. The front platebag would also have the integral admin pouches off the APC.

Or what I'm saying is that Mayflower seriously needs to just put padding inside the platebags and add a drag handle and it would be a complete no brainer choice.

>>30664745
ah. well if you are american you could expect some feds to knock on your door and demand the return of your stolen armor. getting your money back from the seller would then be your problem.

>>30667095
Aren't the buoyant ones only rated to III+ though?
Also, are you the tiny skellington man that posted with similar gear a month or so ago?

what's the deal with soft armor/trauma plates? do you just throw a hard plate in your vest then a soft armor/trauma pallet in front of it?

>>30667032
Shellback tacticals website. They have a deal going on. They also have deal going on that includes the plates and a banshee for less than 500.

I unfortunately placed the order for plates before I saw the deal with the carrier.

What's a good price point for a run of the mill pasgt IIIa helmet?

>>30657274
Faggot
>>30657537
I was with 2/6, same shit. Not one of us, even the biggest fuck up idiots possible managed to break plates.

>>30668703
theyre really supposed to be with "in conjunction" plates that require kevlar backing to reach the listed level of protection.

>>30659884
does verisdag sell internationally(specifically US citizens?) that vest is sexy and i want it.

>>30662935
> He doesn't have an organized armed group
gay

>>30669092
Verseidag is real bitchy about selling to individuals, you can get their stuff through retailers if you custom order it through them. I got mine through http://www.teuvolouhisola.fi/fi

There are no export restrictions on body armour in Finland / EU atleast so as long as you can make a deal with a retailer it should be no problem.

Mainly Verseidag makes stuff for military and law enforcement.

>>30667670
weight vs protection level iv weighs 10 lbs more sinks like a brickfor 30-06 where I would rather it weigh less and aid in swimming.