Get an M1A they said

>>30645888
What specific models were they?
Standard? Oversized stock?
Any damage to the metal parts, or did the magazine blow out and damage the stock?

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>>30645888
Trips, lel
You know it's true now

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>cast receivers

>>30645929
this

>>30645888
>buys springshit
>surprised that it's shit
next time buy from a company that isn't known to be shit, kid.

>>30645888
Reloads?

>>30645918
Bolt head fucked, chamber fucked, stock fucked, magazine fucked

Trigger group and shooters ok

>>30645943
Any picks of the ammo? Searching "M1a explodes" gives an article that mentions another blowing up due to some fucked up metallurgy

>>30645942
1 shooter was using reloads, but had already shot maybe 20 rounds without issue

The other was shooting surplus (can't remember the brand)
Both prices of brass looked identical where the failure occurred

One guys shooting mat even caught on fire

>American guns

Really makes you think

>>30646000
>Both prices of brass looked identical where the failure occurred
Do you have any of those?

t. increasingly nervous M1a owner

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>>30645998
I figured I should let the owners deal with the ammo situation.
But I thought I should warn my fellow /k/ommandos what's up.

I hope Springfield Armory makes it right.

I've been match shooting for over a decade, never seen a catastrophic failure during a high power match before, the within about 20mins it happens again

>>30646044
No, I wanted the owners to have these


But both of these guns are apparently about 2 years old or less

>>30645942
Its reloads. Look at the round by the bolt, and the round by his hand - they have completely different OAL's and you can see almost a whole extra 1mm on the cannelure on the one by the bolt.

>>30646076
>I've been match shooting for over a decade, never seen a catastrophic failure during a high power match before, the within about 20mins it happens again
maybe its a bad batch of powder? IMR just issued a recall on powder a few months ago.

>>30646076
>I hope Springfield Armory makes it right.
Why would they? They have little incentive because their name isn't tarnished with the majority of gun buyers who still buy in to the name and don't actually research things.

Guns made for as little money as possible and sold for a lot of money will always be shitty. You expect companies like that to care about the products they make as long as people will still buy the shit they produce?

>>30646105
This gun was using surplus, I have a pic, but won't post the brand sorry

That's where the ammo was blown out of the bottom of the mag, all of the ammo was out of spec after the cato

>>30646131
In my experience with SA they have one of the best customer service models I have experienced as a gun owner

>>30645888
>NRA hipower match

How many M1A shooters are at the match today?

>>30646130
The first guy left before the 2nd one died, I figured his was a reloading fuckup or duplex load until the exact same thing happened again on a different rifle

>>30646097
This. Only buy pre 2003 M1A's built with M14 parts kits.

Springfield armory outsources small part production of their M1A line to Taiwan and they are almost all MIM parts

The receivers are even cast in Canada of all places.

>>30646162
2 today
But over the years I've seen dozens

>>30646202
So the only people that brought M1A's to the match had them explode? haha oh wow.

>>30646202
Most shoot ar15s, a few shoot Garands
It's cheaper to shoot .223 though & is a bit more comfortable to shoot

>>30646135
>This gun was using surplus
>They just tumble the whole bullets to make them shiny and get rid of most the annealing discoloration
just tell us the brand bullshitter.

>>30646158
That may be but what bearing does it have on their manufacturing?

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serves them right for not getting the tacticool model

you want it

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>>30646217
The first guy was actually borrowing his sons gun iirc, so I can't imagine how that conversation goes

Shot my hog hunter at 300yrds today as well

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>>30646237
Have you seen this chick? lower left.

>>30646251
They fix shit

All mechanical stuff breaks (eventually)
So it's nice to have a business that doesn't fuck their customer base

>>30646266
Anyone shoot M1917s?

>>30646266
No, but I have seen some qt3.14's at the National Matches over the years

Including one shooting an m14 or M1A

>>30646284
I do for bolt service rifle matches that we have at the club, I go between the 1903a3 and the 1917

I routinely shoot it at the CMP during the vintage match, last year I got a silver

>>30645888
get a Rockola then.

>>30646352
>Drop almost three fucking grand on an M1a
Might as well have one built at that point.

>>30646357
Does James River make those too?
I know they do the carbine reproductions, I love mine...

>>30646284
Only downside is having to drift the front sight during a match, but the trigger & long sight picture, and narrow front sight make it an excellent 200+ yrd rifle

>>30646357
Rockolas are 2.1 grand MAX

If you are a dealer it is even less.

>>30646357
It's not three grand you massive faggot.

https://www.jamesriverarmory.com/products/product/49-rockola-m14f.html

post more pics of the parts kaboom OP. lets see the bolt face, and lets see pics of the brass shells failure points. was the whole case head missing? just a hole/crack near the bottom rim? pics please

im betting the retard shooting handloads blew up his own rifle out of negligence. noob loaders dont realize its not just powder amount that can cause kabooms, but improperly sized brass, improperly seated bullets, improper projectile size etc

the guy shooting milsurp im not sure, would like to see pics of the failed case and bolt

>>30646483
to elaborate, i see lots of retards picking up brass at the range from other peoples rifles, and when i ask how they size their brass they say only shoulder length sizing because they heard its more accurate

fucking morons

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>>30646266
she looks like the girl from "the goldbergs"

>>30645888
I dont have the sand video

But they couldnt even go one round with a tiny amount of dust.

M1A is a shit

>>30646483
I neglected to take a picture of the case failure, I kick myself now, but both pieces of brass failed in the exact same way.
It was almost like the bolt failed to open, it squished the extractor and the base of the cartridge was mangled with the bolt locked closed, we had to take both rifles apart to remove the case and it required the use of a block of wood to break the bolt lose to confirm the gun was not loaded

>>30646577
so did the case have a cut out where the gas escaped? total rim separation?

>>30646577
sounds like it detonated out of battery, like it wasnt seated fully in chamber

were the shooters OK or injured? any damage to receiver?

>>30645888
>2k16
>not shooting a garand

m1a's are overpriced dogshit
get a gun with real history

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>>30646598
OOB discharge is very unlikely on the m14 platform due to the safety bridge retaining the firing pin until the rifle is in battery.

>>30646588
Yes
>>30646635
Lel
>>30646598
I originally thought that might be the case- especially with all the fucked up ammo laying around, however I asked about that to both shooters, the both said it happened when the pulled the trigger so it is unlikely

>>30646665
Not completely rim separation, but a large hole were the gas escaped

>>30646610
Both shooters were shook up, one has burns on his forearm where his mat briefly caught on fire.
Their cheeks hurt & their shoulders took a beating, but no blood or loss of eyesight

>>30646657
>>30646665
hmm, what else then? did the bolt lugs get sheared? maybe the recess in the receiver that holds the bolt lugs failed?

>>30646678
Where* rather

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>>30646665
If there was rim separation and brass blowing up so strongly that it adhered to the inside of the chamber and bolt then it was definitely an overcharged round.

Those kind of kabooms completely wreck AR-15's. I have seen uppers split in half like this.


Those shooters are lucky the receiver held up.

>>30646357
building one will cost 2.2k if you pay for the gunsmith work

>>30646709
I'm wondering if the bolt somehow failed to retract, there didn't seem to be any damage to the charging handle, but I never looked at the recess on the receiver.

The bottom of the chamber was damaged and lost some metal or it was marred / squished somehow, I think it happened during the failure not prior though

any idea what brand milsurp they were shooting? what country/age? even milsurp can have doublecharges, its always a risk

>>30646748
If the bolt failed to retract it would just be a jam. It's either an overcharge, an OOB or a failure in the shitty cast receiver.

>>30646720
It is very possible
The first shooter said he had purchased commercial ammo, pulled the bullets loaded them with his "usual & customary load)
So I had considered he may not have completely emptied the original powder & ended up with a duplex load...
After the second failure with commercially available surplus with a different shooter not 30mins later, I figured it was probably not a reload fluke and more likely a machining issue or headspace problem
>>30646785
I know, but don't want to post - don't want to ruin the chances those shooters won't get some free parts or replaced guns by SA.

Might come down to a legal thing, so unfortunately I don't feel good about posting my other picture with the ammo in frame.

Sorry guys

>>30646748
>>30646797
The bolt failed to retract because the round literally exploded inside of the chamber hard enough to cause the brass to flow and stick to the walls of the chamber and bolt.

>>30646804
>I know, but don't want to post - don't want to ruin the chances those shooters won't get some free parts or replaced guns by SA.
>Might come down to a legal thing, so unfortunately I don't feel good about posting my other picture with the ammo in frame.
>Sorry guys
You've got nothing, is what you're saying. Or, you actually believe that Springfield both trolls /k/ for chances to get out of warranty work, and would do just for someone shooting surplus.

>>30646821
The barrels both seemed undamaged, I figured that would blow the side out of the barrels too

It was some crazy shit to see a shooting mat on fire & a guy panicking to get the gun off of his arm while it was still in the sling (shooting prone)

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>>30646557
My local range doesn't have anything like that :(

>>30646851
barrels don't usually explode or split unless it is a squib kaboom (one of the worst), the pressure was relieved out the front of the barrel because the bullet did go out.

>>30646828
I just don't believe it is right to slander the ammo company
It could be their fault Idk for sure,
The constant part in my adventure today was the guns....
They both looked really nice, then they died

>>30646882
I don't think you know the definition of "slander", then.
You've already said you're not out to blame them, and everyone else is trying to piece together what happened.

>>30646929
The silver box
Not the creedmore, that was for an m1 Garand

>>30645888
>>30646748
This was an overpressure round. You see that broken extractor in your first image? The first point of failure is typically a blowout at the extractor since that is the weakest area around the bolt face.

The round was so high pressure that the brass pushed pressed back against the bolt face and spread out causing the cracked extractor.


>>30646929
>turkshit ammunition sold by jews
Never ever

>>30646929
I think it's worth pointing out that the stray bullets on the map are a pretty good indicator that the bullets weren't properly secured in the casing, right?

I don't know much about the specifics of loading 308, but from what I have read you're basically walking on razor wire to keep the M1a from blowing the fuck up. Does anyone know what kind of role improper crimping could play in the failure?

>>30646978
My M14 had no problems shooting M118LR when I was deployed.

>>30646978
The magazine was almost conical when it blew out.
I'm sure that is what caused those bullets to come loose.
It looked like you could put an apple in the mag - it was crazy

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>>30646929
Turkish ammunition made by ZQI/MKE

There are a few reports online of ZQI/guardian kabooms in FAL's but none in M1A's yet.

They are espically susceptible to rim blowouts (what happened here) because they are much thinner than most 308 or 7.62 nato cases in the rim.

Pic related, Turkish ammo right next to a lake city round, you can see the difference by eye

>>30647134
Crazy...
Maybe both guns Cato'd due to thin brass, I'm intrigued

>>30645888
Huh, wierd. I bought a SA M1a about 10 years ago and have yet to have a problem with it.

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>>30647190
Here is one that kaboomed in a FAL a few months ago, completely blew the magazine out.

>>30647222
Looks similar to what I saw today in the same location.
The m1a's brass was more mangled though - bigger hole & more macerated

>>30647222
I am surprised the primer isn't pancaked or completely pushed out though

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>>30647261
Seems like it blows out through the point of least resistance

Another kaboomed MKE that killed a FAL

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>>30647277
I know what ammo to never buy again

Thanks anon

>>30647282
Never trust turkroaches

>>30647293
Will it be better after the military takes over?

>>30646076
Bro... don't shoot 8s. Nothing good comes of an 8.

Self... don't shoot 8s. Poor little round, he wanted to be a 10, it was in him to be a 10. I failed you friend. :(

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>>30647929
I usually do better, but I was coaching the guy next to me and running out of time...
Oh well

>>30648013
200 yrds rapid prone

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>>30647134
Wait, but the LC one (on the right) has the thinner wall??

>>30645888
>>30645924

$10 says it was relo....

>One was using surplus, the other was using reloads

Yeah im sure one was using "surplus"...

>>30648191
/thread

OP, stop going shooting with retards.

I'm glad this shit company gets to sully the name of the most prestigious gun manufacturer in American History. Duck Springfield Armory, Inc.

>>30648191
see>>30647134

OP deleted the post cuz he's a faggot

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>>30648247
dont worry, i saved it

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>>30645943
Fuck the shooter nigga, No not the poor rifle is die.