submachine gun thread

>>30636690
I really want one of these. looking at possibly building one.

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>>30636690
Have a huge hard-on for stamped sheet metal SMGs.

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>>30636793
Here's the babby version

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>>30636690
I've been wanting to get into the machine gun game some point into the future. A m/45 or clone thereof is probably going to be my first.

>>30636835
Your best is probably the american clones, as most of the swedish ks are pre-dealer samples

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semi auto sub gun but fuck it, i love it

How much is an MP5 in full auto? are they even available? is it worth getting it in semi?

>>30637393
Yea MP5 SBRs are dank. Just get a registered HK sear.

>>30637393
around $30,000 for a transferable one.

Semi aint bad.

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Posting the Cadillac of Submachine Guns.

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>>30636745
>>30637393
You buy pic related
I will when I turn 21

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Hello friends.

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>>30637443
>Fuck ugly rail
>No paddle mag release
>No three lug
>Stamped steel

So it's a pistol worth $600 TOPS.

Oh wait, it's got pic related so let's double that figure, fanboys will still buy it :^)

>>30637466
this right hear is what makes me REALLY want to get an EVO.

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>>30637592
Had an evo.

Sold it.

2/10.

>>30637592
>>30637646

I like mine a lot. Makes a nice suppressor host.

>>30637592
this >>30637646

MPX > Evo

>>30637661
I've played with airsoft guns that felt more robust than my evo. The cheap plasticky feel, the weird controls, the weird recoil, I just really didn't like it.

It's funny, I shot my friends MPX and I LOVED it, so I decided I needed a PCC. As it turns out, you get what you pay for.

>>30637646
What is this one?

>>30637491
>double that figure

More like quintuple.

MSRP is $2,999.

Should I get a MPX or Kriss Vector? Both will start as pistols for later SBR. 9mm for the Vector because I have a glock 19 and bunch of high capacity assault clips for it.

>>30637696
Some custom fancy $4,000 AR9. I looked up the source but after seeing prices ranging from $3,900 to $6,000 I nope'd the fuck outta there.

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>>30637697
Holy fucking shit
I'd rather just get an MPX then

>>30637697
You're fucking kidding me. Here I was thinking I was exaggerating. Fuck that noise.

>>30637709
They make the Vector in 9mm now? Oh boy, time to get the checkbook.

>>30637717
Lol thats egregious. At least it looks nice. Thanks for sourcing it anyway

>>30637723
>$80 for some cheap stamped shit steel magazine

>PEOPLE WILL BUY THIS
>WHY.jpg

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>>30637717
you are a fucking retard. if you don't know don't make some bullshit up just to look like you have knowledge.

>>30637737
they are only 1,400

>>30637709
MPX. The whole point of the vector was to be extremely manageable under full auto fire. It is a neat gun but the MPX seems much more practical.

Yeah having common mags is nice, but for the money you save, you can get plenty of MPX mags.

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>>30637646
>>30637737
Belay that, I just looked into it again. They run $1300 average, but look like complete horseshit unless youre at a very specific angle.

>>30637755
Oh shit thanks for clarification! Not my fav design but the price point isnt too bad

>>30637688

It's a mostly polymer gun but I get the want for more substantial steel. I found the recoil impulse a little sharper than the MP5 but not terrible. My only big compliant so far is the Evo magazines do not do well being left loaded for long periods.

The MP5 is definitely nicer shooting...but it's also bigger heavier and a lot more expensive.

>>30637755
Just corrected myself>>30637772
. I probably got confused with Cobalt's shit, or some other boutique AR nonsense I was looking at recently.

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>>30637799
I want to get one of those adjustable ultra-light triggers so I can better live out my subgun dream with one of these things.

>>30637758
>>30637799
nice backpedal because you posted the serial of a NFA firearm that you don't even own

>>30637821
I tried a ruger 452 trigger in it but it does have a lot of trigger slap. your finger damn near tingles with each shot.

>>30636690
So just a heads up for those wishing to join the super fun club of PCC. The cheapest way to get into the game currently is a hipoint carbine, followed by an AR in 9mm (PSA stocks ready built stuff that will run sub $600). After that you're into evo/mpx/mp5 territory. I quite like 9mm carbines, but if you buy a 9mm AR/Uzi be aware those mags are a bitch to load (that is if you get a colt style AR9). The MP5 mags are really easy to load, but pricey. The evo has only one source for mags as does the mpx.

>>30637821
>>30637860
to add, yes the trigger was a bit heavy at first but it smoothed itself out. I toyed with the idea of some lighter springs, but its less noticeable during live fire.

I was considering one of those binary triggers but the price is just too much. Maybe I'll find someone with buyer's remorse looking to ditch it.

>>30637860
I've heard that a hundred times but to this day I've never experienced trigger slap. What exactly is it?

>>30637887
The hammer bottoms out and smacks the trigger towards the rear esentially causing the trigger to flick you in the finger. Its not painful, just irritating and very distracting. Gloves solve the issue, at least with the MPX, but im not shooting with gloves all the time.

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le plastic brick

>>30637949
how is that compared to the MP5? I heard it was supposed to be an upgrade but im not too knowledgeable on HKs

>>30637877
>hipoint carbine

For some reason it's damn near impossible to find one with the first generation stock near me. As in, I've been looking for almost four years and I've seen *one* come up for sale.

Did they all get confiscated from crack dens? Bubba'd up with those psuedo-Beretta CX4 stocks? Just left to gather dust in closets?

It's bizarre. I thought they'd sold a lot of them.

>>30637681
an EVO is LITERALLY half the cost. AND smaller. I've been eyeing one to get for my new truck gun.

>>30637980

Evo magazines are also cheaper. The aftermarket is also getting pretty good but that applies to both.

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>>30637975
it kicks more than my mp5 RS in the pic but It is not any thing of any significance. I like it much better than my mp5 and it is very uncomplicated. it's a bolt and a recoil spring in a plastic housing. it gets points for not eating brass or being a bitch to clean like the mp5.

>>30637980
>A Honda Civic is LITERALLY half the cost. AND smaller.

Yeah, I'll stick with my Cadillac CTS.

>>30637977
Probably just aren't ordered go online my son.

>>30638037
>MP5 bitch to clean
>Rough on brass I know this feeling my friend.

>>30637980
and less durable, uses a blow back design, lacks customization options, has a less than desirable trigger, weird grip angle, and although it has inexpensive mags, they aren't all that durable.

Ive felt the SBR, yes it is very light and maneuverable. I would like one in the furture if I get it for a decent price, but by no means would I dedicate it to serious heavy duty use. Any sort of carbine will get banged around more than a pistol which makes polymer framed and parted carbines more of a risk for damage.

The MPX is an overall better built firearm. There are guns in different price ranges for good reason. There are more expensive materials used as well as an increase in over all quality.

>>30638004
mags are cheaper...if you can find them. They do need to step up the quality though.

>>30638041
I would not call the MPX even close the cadillac of pcc simply due to the ungodly amount of gas it shits back into your face when suppressed.

>>30638062

I'm not interested in the new model. They switched to making it with a shitty tacticool stock, rather than the solid, one-piece original.

The old one hasn't been made in like 6-7 years now, so it's not something that is still in distributor channels that can be ordered. Used market only.

>>30638084
It isnt as horrible as many make it out to be. .45 cans ive used give me little to no gas to the face. Some with 9mm cans depending on the size. Im still toying around with which can I should dedicate to it but it can be remedied like any other firearm.

>>30638084
>has issue when suppressed
>YOUR ENTIRE METAPHOR IS INVALID LOLOLOL

No. The build quality is better, trigger is better, ergonomics are better, the controls are better, etc. The only way it loses out is heavier weight and it's twice the price. For someone who has no intention of putting a can on their PCC(See: Most people), it's without doubt a better carbine.

>you get what you pay for

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>>30638126
it is as shitty as they make it out to be. I was ready to buy one and then I shot it.

>>30638080

Dunno how it's less durable. All sorts of polymer firearms have been doing fine for a while now. The Evo hasn't established as much of a track record yet but I don't see any inherent fragility yet.

I'm guessing you haven't looked into the aftermarket for the Evo much because it's taking off pretty well. Safeties, pistol grips, rail systems, handguards, stocks.

I prefer the MP5 but for the price I like the Evo a lot. The MPX, while a neat concept, struck me as more overpriced mediocrity from SIG USA.

>>30638164
The CZ is by no means a bad gun, but how much abuse can a polymer carbine take? The carbine is nothing like that of a glock or M&P where it is more flexible. The polymer on the CZ is a bit more brittle it seems. There is a bit of chipping when used with the M-lock system.

Im not sure how much id trust dropping it or banging it up like you would an AR or AK.

I feel the MPX is fairly priced for what it is. At least the Evo seems a bit less expensive than building an 9mm AR.

>>30638156
what suppressor and ammo was used?

>>30636690
What is the absolute closest thing I can get to the aesthetically pure MP5 without breaking the bank too much?

aac illusion 9 and a octane 9. with 115 and 147gr ammo. same amount of gas spitting with both

>>30638213
>>30638234

>>30638201
You can have a 9mm AR for sub $600 it's not hard at all.

>>30638201

The Evo polymer seems to show scratches but I haven't noticed any significant damage. Even pogoing it to clear a stuck case, thought I might snap the stock hinge but it's held up fine to some rough treatment and limited cleaning so far.

Having seen some significant QC issues in person early on in the MPX release I have some bias. My major complaints are that, retaining an awful AR charging handle, and I question the wisdom of a gas operated 9mm.

Still better than a 9mm AR for sure. They beat themselves apart and like to break bolt hold opens.

>>30638307
>The Evo polymer seems to show scratches but I haven't noticed any significant damage. Even pogoing it to clear a stuck case, thought I might snap the stock hinge but it's held up fine to some rough treatment and limited cleaning so far.
Time will tell how these guns are doing. ill get one eventually but it may be a while before I trust it to serious use. Glad to hear you've done that to it and it held up. Id really like to see torture tests putting both guns head to head.

>Having seen some significant QC issues in person early on in the MPX release I have some bias.
What kind of issues have you seen? Ive had my since week 2 of the release and have had no issues related to the gun. The only malfunction was from shitty Maxxtech ammo.

>My major complaints are that, retaining an awful AR charging handle
Im an AR guy and dont find it to be too bad. Even then, you load it once, then use the right handed bolt release for quick reloads. An extended latch helps so you can use your palm to charge the gun

>I question the wisdom of a gas operated 9mm.
The gas system keeps it operating with all types of ammo and even saved my ass from a squib load. I have yet to clean it after 2.5K rounds and no malfunctions other than the squib.

>>30638080
If I were going to commit to a PCC or such for that price, I'd stick to what I know. HK. BUT in the meantime, for the price I'd go with the EVO.

>>30638041
1.)The CTS is a pile of shit. extremely unrefined for what they advertise it for and for the price.
2.) the only thing that would be the equivalent to a civic would be the hi point carbine.