EU gun ban

There are gun owners in europe?

>>30606903
Not anymore, apparently.

>>30606899
Do not comply

>>30606903
France and two of the Scandinavian states (I'm guessing Nor & Fin b/c LOL Swecucks) are all in the top ten gun ownership per capita in the world.

>>30606899
Time for Polexit, based Poland.

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>>30606980
eat shit

>>30606899
Do not comply with their laws. And push your politicians to follow the UK out of that retarded and failed EU experiment.

>>30607011
My country is not even in the EU and will have to follow these rules.

>>30607007
thank you serbia

>>30606899
>live in UK
>vote leave
>leave Europe
>not affected by ban
>centrefire semi autos banned in 1987

Just fuck my shit up

>>30606899
>The Internal Market Committee text restricts Category A to firearms with specified characteristics, such as semi-automatic firearms capable of firing more than 21 rounds without reloading, if a loading device with a capacity exceeding 20 rounds is part of the firearm or is inserted into it, and certain folding or telescoping firearms.
so.... this doesn't even ban magazine over 20 rounds in capacity, it just says if you insert one into a semi automatic rifle it is now illegal? how do you fucking enforce that

>>30607222
They will just say that any gun that ACCEPTS those mags will be banned.

Since pretty much ALL guns that accept detachable mags can have mags over the capacity of 20 rounds, these will be banned.

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>pissing off a lot of gunowners while anti-eu sentiment is steadily rising
They are burying their own graves.

>>30607324
Two things
First, how exactly does one bury a grave? Do you just toss more dirt on it? Wouldn't that just become part of the grave?

Second, what is that in the image, it looks interesting

thank you brexit

>>30607335
I mean digging of course, no idea why i wrote that.
It's a hermle 5-axis CNC mill.

>>30607372
Of course, of course, I only had to make fun, you understand.

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>>30606899
>Tfw grandparents came to America from Finland
>Tfw Finland won it's independence from the tsar, fought the scourge of communism in the winter war, and won every battle but lost the continuation war for fighting the communists with the stroke of beurocrats pens
>Tfw betrayed again by europe
I find it sad that I have 2 Finnish civil guard rifles as the country they fought for is subjugated

What's the chances every country that doesn't have their heads firmly buried in their colon just ignoring this mandate?

>>30606899
>37 voted determines law for en entire EU

you're fucked alright.

>>30607348
>implying brexit will happen
>implying you dont already have more fucked up laws
I feel for u britfag

>>30606899
>37 votes determining the fate of a continent
Fucking what?

>>30607493
This. You guys lost a long time ago. Today was just a symptom of the disease your continent was infected with decades ago.

You're as fucked as you allow yourself to be.

You're [presumably] armed.

well at least 'you faggots are trying to disarm our populace' is a GOOD reason to exit the EU

What if i modify my gun to fire only belts? Like make the magazine well narrow to barely bigger than the bullet and just have a belt coming out from under.

>>30606899
Those EU folks aren't even elected, are they?

I also don't understand how this group can overstep local governments. Do EU countries really have no sovereignty?

>>30607595

Modifying a firearm to comply with the law is a loophole.

>>30607539
our new old lady pm said she'd get us out
>>30607595
Seems impractical af

>>30607622
They cant possibly have a law banning a loophole, can they?

>>30606899

Let me understand this.

If a semi-automatic gun can accept a mag with over 20 rounds in it, it's banned?

So someone could manufacture an oversized mag for any semi they want to see banned in the EU?

>>30607007
i guess sweden isnt as cucked as i thought

>>30607631
Is it considered a magazine if theres a hole in the bottom? Would be interesting to see a 'magazine' that just hangs the top round on top and belts the rest under

No fucking way Switzerland would comply with this...right?

>>30607632

No, that's just the agenda.

>have gun with features
>ban specific features
>modify gun to comply
>compliance seen as loophole
>ban compliant features
>repeat as necessary to disarm your subjects

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Can they even enforce such a law throughout all of Europe? The big cities I can see them enforcing it, but Europe is fuck huge and there's a lot of rural areas.

>>30607673
Why doesnt the populace ballsy up and use said loopholes to revolt and finally be free?

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>>30606899
And just when me and my friend were getting our licences... I saw it coming though

>>30607684

Because it's easier not to

>>30607646
I understood it that the weapon is illegal only when it has a 21+ rounds magazine attached. AR with 20 round mag - ok.

>>30606899
Can I still have my flintlock muzzleloaders?

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>>30607007
>Serbia

>>30607650
that's a shout

Or we might see the return of internal magazines.

>>30607676
Plenty of oldfags that have cottages in hills have "misplaced" ww2 ordnance that was never registered in the first place.

So when Russia invades, will EU hold emergency vote to ban foreign invasions?

>>30607796
We should ban all sorts of violence preemptively.

Apparently you can still get 20+ rounders for sport / reservist shooting, so all is not lost.

Still sucks though, and the chances of that getting repealed are pretty slim.

>>30606899
Well, at least we can't be jealous of Switzerland anymore.

>>30607608
Its basically a bloc of nations bullying and threatening to not talk (trade) with any one nation that dares to not follow all dress code put up by the head bitch in the group.

You niggas need to do what England did, she's being shunned right now, but she's fucking free of that high school shit right now.

>>30607007

This always cracks me up. We literally have more guns than people, I love it.

We should have more households armed, though.

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>>30607684
>ballsy up
>revolt
Same thing could be asked about gun laws in the US. Why haven't you burgers taken up arms against your 1986 machinegun ban yet?

>>30607792
Christ, how many "misplaced" Stens and MP-40s alone do you think are sitting nestled in French and British countryside cottages?

>>30607836
Switzerland isn't in the EU.

>>30607909
Because the amerikan gun laws are nothing compared to the EU's level of bullshit.

>>30607796
Why doesn't the Russian Army just say its refugees? They'd get welcomed in with open arms. Maybe the Bear has too much pride for such a ploy?

>>30606899
>Goatfucker is white
ok

>>30607400

The EU is going for the whole ball of beans.

It'll never amount to a hill of wax.

So are the Gestapo going to search every gun owner's house now?
Are you going to fight back?

>>30607622

That's not a loophole, it's outside the law.

A loophole is an intentionally placed gap in the law. Like "everyone goes to jail for lying to congress except Hillary Clinton" if that were actually encoded into the law.

Side note: obviously the above example is not in the law. That makes it a "travesty of justice."

http://www.commonsensepost.net/2016/07/13/worst-case-imco-approves-eugunban/

Tl;dr this exact wording has been used to ban all semi autos for hunters in germany, it will ban semi autos for everyone because literally every semi auto with a detachable magazine can accept magazines >20 rounds

>>30607927
Switzerland will be bullied into accepting it via Schengen

Schengen is a rubber treaty that allows one side (the EU) to constantly add new requirements the other parties need to accept to stay in, despite it not at all being what they signed

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>>30608123
>>30608164
So the 4th Reich is oppression by libtard bureaucracy instead of the militant industrial right wing?

>>30606899
>firearm that accepts mags with more than 20 shots

So all semi-automatic firearms that accept magazines are banned?

>>30608250
shh don't give them new ideas

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If I get accepted into a university in America what are the chances of me getting a job there and being able to stay? I've dreamed of moving to America for a long time. Especially with how Europe is going to shit now I wanna get off the sinking ship.

Any Americans know any European immigrants?

>>30608290
Get a degree that is in high demand and will retain value for a long time. Becoming a citizen does take like seven years, assuming immigration doesn't get clogged up with more amnesty bullshit.

>>30608287
But that's what the law says isn't it?

Makes it kind of weird that they'd say 20 rounds then. Banning any firearm that "accepts" magazines over 3000 rounds would, legally speaking, do the exact same thing because any gun that can take a magazine could theoretically take a 3001 round one.

>>30608338
I don't care about becoming a citizen right away. I plan to live in America for the long term anyway, permanent residence is the thing that counts.

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>>30606899

Still think the Brits had the wrong idea?

>>30608407
Nobody with a brain ever thought that.

Why is it that states in the U.S. that have no standing military power of their own and have to face a powerful federal government have more ability to resist tyrannical laws individual nations all with their own militaries and governments? Literally what is stopping them from going "nah, fuck that shit" and doing whatever they want in spite of the EU?

Some states actually have laws that make it illegal for federal agents to enforce other laws they don't like, but there are entire European countries that have to bend forward when these incompetent fucks tell them to? I don't get it.

>>30608354
Yes it's exactly what it says.
Fuckers used the same wording in a court ruling Germany, effectively banning all semi-automatic guns for hunters, since they could accept mags with more that 2 rounds in them (in Germany it is forbidden to shoot at game animals with more than 2 rounds in the mag when using a semi-auto rifle/shotgun).
And you see they said "semi-automatic GUNS", not rifles or shotguns.
BAM! No more handguns for you! Some states and registration offices actually did that shit.

BUT that shit got slapped down recently. Thanks GRA, thanks DJV.

>>30607684
The same reason we haven't. We're all this horrible mix of comfortable, lazy, and easily frightened that we won't do anything to compromise all the shit we have.

IIrc this proposal still needs to pass the european parliament to take effect and I think I read once that european gun lobbyists allegedly have a good amount of influence in the parliament. So while things aren't looking great there is a good chance that whatever the commission drafted up will still get watered down

>>30608472
The directive stated clearly semi-automatic rifles which can accept high capacity magazines or have a length < 60cm. Handguns are not concerned as pistol ammo doesn't have the power rifle rounds have.

Even if this law would pass, you'd still be able to own semi-automatic shotguns like the Benelli M4 or FN SLP as they have internal magazines.

>>30607670
The Swiss arn't part if the EU, just the Trade Union so everybody can get some Sig. They have always been against joining, killing a referendum in 2001 with a high 70% majority, and withdrawing their outdated bid to join in March of this year. (If you want them I have sources)

Switzerland is pretty based about most stuff.

>>30608528
Yes. The parliament refused to modify the EU gun directive once. Chances are they will refuse it again, but the first vote was before the Paris terrorist attacks.

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>>30607324
It's "digging" Biff. "DIGGING their own graves".

>>30607183
The fucked up thing is that it was Britain that pushed the hardest to get this through. And Britain was the one pushing for magazine limits.

>>30608545
Switzerland but also Norway are part of the Schengen treaty and as such have to apply EU directives. And not being part of the EU means they have to apply but are not allowed to vote. So it's pretty much the worst situation.

>>30608545
They're Schengen so it has nothing to say. I'm from Norway and we aren't EU either, but still this shit will get our semi-autos banned if we want to remain in Schengen (ofc politicans would rather want to remain than to throw that under the bus for the sake of gun owners)

>>30608164
I hope we leave Schengen
Fortunatley even some of our libtards see that the EU is oppressing us big time

>>30608560
I don't understand the way they make laws in the EU.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/news-room/20160711IPR36757/Gun-control-MEPs-clarify-licensing-rules-and-safeguards

Didn't it PASS parliament today? Or was it just a smaller committee of the parliament?

>>30608290
I know a couple of french, Spanish, and Swedish immigrants (Some family from all 3). They are pretty cool, especially when I taught them how to shoot, and they're the white non-Muslim type, so that's even better.

Here I'm posting a € 600'000 EU study showing that more guns = less crime.

Link: http://www.coventry.ac.uk/Global/08%20New%20Research%20Section/FINAL%20EFFECT%20PROJECT%20REPORT.pdf

Download it and share it, because the EU bureaucrats are hiding it.

>>30606970
Your a funny guy.

Like in the US where full auto machine guns are used on a regular basis by the current generation because their fore father's didn't comply?

>>30606899
Pampered people of polite pretenses need to realize that if you will, under any circumstances, let people walk all over you; they will.

>>30608612
It passed a commission today. The commission decided how the amendment has to be done. Then the final amendment will be presented to the MEPs and the decisive vote will take place in November.

>>30608579
>>30608582
Shit, I had no idea Schengen was that brutal. My condolences for the sovereignty of both nations.

>>30608562
5 internets to McFlydore

Calm down everyone.
It'll take years until the final form of the law.

The situation now is not that bad:

-Registration of more parts of the gun

So what? A bit more ink in my license.

-10/20 magazine limit

It ist not said that every weapon which accepts magazines with rounds more that 10/20 will be banned. It's just the magazines. That's why Luxembourg is whining about it.
10 or even 20 is way enough. If you feel the urge to shoot more bullets in a row buy a high cap magazine and tell noone. The range owner I know would'nt care.

-Stricter controlling of people when purchasing online

A bit more paperwork. So what.


And Switzerland can keep it's militia as well.

Don't know what's the problem here.

>>30608654
Okay, so the commission that voted on it today (Internal Market Committee) is a subgroup of the parliament, and the now modified bill will be present to the whole European Parliament as a whole in November?

Am I wrong?

>>30608679
If you go on like that you'll have nothing left. This is a slipperly slope.

They're not banning magazines, they're banning GUNS that can accept those magazines.

>>30608679
Fuck off.

>>30608632
>Prison
>Easily obtained license for a profitable business
>Richfag option for legal MG

Gee I wonder.

>>30608679
Kill yourself.

I told you about the communists. I told you. You could have listened.

>>30608618
Have you ever spoken to them about how they came over there?

>>30608679
>you can'y rape the willing
the post

k y s

>>30608679
>And Switzerland can keep it's militia as well.
Switzerland isn't in the EU...

>>30608542
I wasn't talking about handguns or shotguns in correlation to the EU, but the court ruling here in Germany and how they justified not allowing people these guns.

>>30608804

And it still has to enact EU directives. Sucks, huh?

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>>30606899
>law to ban any semi automatic firearm that accepts mags with more than 20 shots

Who voted for this retardism?
Like... seriously, who?

They wouldn't actually go into museums and start melting down the exhibits, right?
That's just a step below book burning.

>>30607019
>bergjude detected

>>30608679
Fuck you, traitor!

Luckily, the whole thing is a directive. It means that the different countries have some liberties about how they will apply it. I mean, there was already 91/477/EEC and Switzerland didn't apply it fully. We have no weapon categories, and very few restrictions. I assume things shouldn't change too much in the worst case. There's also the problem with the mass-immigration vote that passed in Switzerland and that is still not applied. I assume that as long as there's no compromise with the EU about it, there won't be any law change in Switzerland. Finally, the SVP/UDC has still an initiative in its sleeve, to make Swiss laws come before international laws. That would probably be the end of Schengen, though.

>>30608824
They wouldn't. There are special rules for deactivated weapons as well as collectors and museums

>>30607792
Reminds me of this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11101639/WW1-machine-gun-found-in-mans-garage.html

RIP

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>>30608823
>EU
>Voting

>>30607909
>>30607909

Because we can make magic with a fucking semi-auto

We could probably defy the laws of the universe with machineguns again.

>>30607007
Serbia just has a bunch of surplus shit from the Yugoslav wars sitting around in peoples basements. I know a Serbian girl living in Canada whos grandparents have 2 AKs and a few nuggets in their basement witha bunch of handgrenades. Though her mother is also a 1st cousin of Goran Hadzic

>>30607493
>executive orders

>>30607967
>>30608866
Double dubs and that other guy confirm what assmad Europeans miss every time. We're aware of our ability to revolt, we just don't choose to do so because it is a -very- dangerous thing to do. It's the last resort of all the last resorts, but the fact that we talk about it openly is sometimes enough to get the point across.

>>30608632
no, more like no one complied when NY and CT changed weapon and magazine laws.

So does this mean Russia is now eyeing the EU hungrily?

>>30608700
They are NOT banning every gun that accepts more than 10/20 round magazines. Again: This is exactly the point so many politicians were whining about: Put 30 round magazine in the weapon and it's illegal, 10 and it's legal.

>>30608804
It's written in this thread a dozen times but only for you: Switzerland is part of Schengen and took part of the negotiations with the result that they can keep their militia. Tradition or something like that was the main reason.

>>30608829

Betraying whom?

Of course there are some parts of the so called law I don't like. For example that psychological assessment every 5 years. But alltogether it is not SO bad.
Registration of the essential parts of the gun is actually the only reasonable part of the law. Won't make a big difference for a terrorist but you can't deny that it could (!) help stopping people from re-building disabled weapons.

Until it's final form the law will be weakened anyway.

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>>30608967

Well said.

>>30609001
>now

>>30606990
>not Poleave

>>30609036
>They are NOT banning every gun that accepts more than 10/20 round magazines. Again: This is exactly the point so many politicians were whining about: Put 30 round magazine in the weapon and it's illegal, 10 and it's legal.
You're the first person to say that, do you have a source? The press conference was very diffuse.

>>30608679
The extra paperwork adds up, especially when you factor in bureaucratic "delays" (getting a gun license takes several months here in Canada, most of which is just waiting for your paperwork to be processed). On top of that, that bit of added paperwork adds all sorts of wonderful new firearms offences the cops can hit you with if it isn't up to date, filled out correctly, or the correct type. Extra paperwork is the roadblock these bastards use to dissuade potential gun owners from taking up shooting, so that they take one look at the process and say "fuck that".

>>30609057
The wording is rather unclear when it comes to the magazine capacity part. best I could find was this article
http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/eu-waffenrecht-101.html

>The same gun can thus be legal or illegal, depending on the size of the magazine used.

>>30609101
That's for Germany dude, and check the date (pre-vote)

>>30609097
THIS

>>30609036
Are you retarded? The whole law must be fought.

Europe has one of the lowest firearm-related death rate of all continents. 1'000 die each year in firearms-related homicides and accidents. That's nothing compared to the 26'800 deadly car accidents on EU streets each year, or the 700'000 smoke-related deaths each year in the EU.

So, why does the EU needs stricter gun laws?

And don't come with that bullshit with deactivated guns that get deactivated. The French government placed the guns that were used in Charlie Hebdo massacre under Secret Defense. Which means that no one can investigate the guns' origin anymore and has to believe what the Grande Nation says. And as we all now, France's elite is not corrupt at all (oil deals with Saddam Hussein and Khadafi during embargoes, training of troops before Rwanda massacres...).

>Doch wer Böses im Schilde führt, kann selbst mit Schreckschusswaffen großen Schaden anrichten.
Fucking Krauts. The last real Germans died holding off the communists 72 years ago.

>>30609036
>SHILLING INTENSIFIES

>>30609222
WITNESSED

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>It only takes 19 votes to decide the fate of an entire fucking continent
Holy fucking shit, why the fuck would anyone willingly be part of the EU?

>>30609273
You don't.

It's an undemocratic bureaucrat cesspool.

>>30609273
It doesnt. The european parliament still needs to vote. The parliament may be a bunch of people with no clue, but at least more than 19 people with no clue.

>>30609330
It WAS the parliament that voted today.

>>30609339
>The Internal Market Committee (IMCO) of the European Parliament voted today on the proposal for an amended European firearms directive (Control of the acquisition and possession of weapons Amending Directive 91/477/EEC )
>The European Parliament’s first reading is scheduled for November 22nd, after the summer break. Its is the body that will ultimately approve or reject this proposed directive and is now the last line of defense that European owners of legal firearms are left with.

from
>>30608123

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>>30608679

Eat a bullet you fucking traitor piece of shit.

The "it's only x" mindset you're employing has a distinct problem. AT SOME POINT X ENDS, and it usually ends with the complete ban on guns. But that's okay, because you'll be that faggot whose like, "Oh well what do we need gun anyways? We still have the police!'

>>30607007
>uruguay
>7th

Uh whot?

Okay so far I've seen you guys mention three different voting parliaments. Why the hell are there three? Is there more?

>>30608679
Literal cuck: the post

>>30608942
My grandmother threw a surplus hand grenade we had into the trash about 10 years ago.

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>>30609422
Niggers are very well armed.

>>30607608
No they arent
They are chosen behind closed doors by older officials

>>30608679
>it's not that bad guys
>we can still own registered muzzle loaders
>so what we need to fill out more paperwork flint and percussion caps

>>30606899
NOTHING HAS BEEN DECIDED YET

This has to be approved by the plenary session of the European Parliament, which is scheduled for September.
And then it is slated to be discussed within the European council, which is presided by Slovakia at the moment (which is Czech Republic's little brother).

If Slovakia's gun laws are anything like the Czech Republic's, they're not going to be too happy with this shit.

What happened today was a vote by one of the bodies of the EP; the IMCO.
There are a bunch of countries in the EP proper that have already expressed that they do not back stricter gun laws (Finland etc.).

>>30609434
There's probably more. Nobody can really say, EU politics is a fucking mess. And the voting assemblies are just the tip of the iceberg, I dare you to go and try figuring out how the committees and advisory panels and courts all feed into the mix.

The only good part about it is things can take years to get anywhere if national governments drag their feet implementing it, and everything gets interpreted about as many ways as their are countries, so what leaves the central EU machinations is probably a long way from what most places will actually get, which could be for better or worse depending on local politics.

>>30609627
I also want to add that the original proposal has been watered down a lot already.

Pretty much the only thing that we can be sure will pass is the "better cross-border monitoring" and the EU-wide rules on deactivation and blank firing guns and shit.

>>30608407
>Multicultural homogeneity

Wait, wut?

>>30609671
Don't ask
Why use logic when you can spout things with no logical thought behind it

>>30609647
And these idiots want to make an EU army?
If some country decided to invade the EU it probably take three years to vote, deliberate, and decide if the EU should even fight back!

Canada here
Noncompliance.
If it's on a massive enough scale, it will work.
It worked for us. They pushed us already with the bans and our right to carry. So when the long gun registry was rolled out, NOBODY REGISTERED. The RCMP looked at the number of guns imported, and noticed that it was nearly double what was registered. So it was repealed, and burned, and laughed at as a massive waste of taxpayer money.
Just stash your guns in the basement. Bury them. Hell if you are paranoid, just secretly destroy them! Just as long as the EU gets the message when they ask for guns and none turn up.

Didn't German minister of the interior (de Maizière) already shoot down this EU gun law proposal?

>>30609627
The vote is scheduled on the 22nd of November actually

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>>30606899
The REAL vote is due to the end of November. That was just the vote on what exact laws will be voted on November

>>30609434
You basically have cunts number 1 being the commissioners, they are unelected bureaucrats running around being contact by political parties and lobbies, then cunt number 1 (a French contacted by the French Minister of interior in this case) brings his shitty proposal to bunch of cunts number 2 who are the commission (the cunts who just passed this and it's led by a brit right now, see the irony?), they discuss it for 6 months, give us some hopes and decide that their shitty text is wonderful and will definitely not help create a huge black market because of the no buy back policy and fucking over all semi-autos using box mags. Then it gets to the biggest bunch of cunts in the group, the European Parliament which is one quarter euro sceptic, one quarter greens, one quarter conservative and the last quarter jerks off somewhere. They'll vote if the directive has to be adopted by all our collective asses.

So you would say there is hope since the eurosceptics are a huge part of the parliament and we have conservatives too, actually no. the Eurosceptics are the biggest cunts in the bunch because they'll vote for more gun control obviously to prepare for the day they get elected and take advantage of all our Orwellian laws. Welcome in the European Union, shit's fucked.

>>30609765
>three years
That's a staggeringly optimistic estimate for a decision on some intentions for what an initial response should include. If you want an actual budget to move towards something happening you should probably try at least 10 years.

Then again if it was a joke before then any kind of EU military concept is now way off into the realm of silliness. At present the only 2 countries capable of doing much more than play on their own doormat are Britain and France, and I don't quite see Britain wanting to hand over military sovereignty whilst heading out the exit door on everything else.

>>30609434
There are 5 committees in the EU:
* European Parliament
* Council of the EU
* European Commission
* European Council
* European Justice Court

>>30609845
No, the actual law to be voted can still change.

>>30609912
The commission isn't supposed to state on it another time unless there's a counter-initiative

>>30608449
The Constitution.

>>30609775
Fellow syrupfaggot here. They also banned over 50% of all handguns in Canada at the time by requiring barrels over 4.25" long. All of those guns promptly vanished into the ether, I'm sure (most were reported as lost). Just quietly don't comply.

>>30609876
>>30609892
This is why the French cut off the heads of their "oh so noble" royal families. Have you learned nothing?

>>30609954
What does it have to do with anything?

>>30609949
>lost

How do you "lose" a firearm you can only take from your home to the range and back?

>>30609954
There's literally a political party that's trying to put the last heir back on the throne though

>>30606899
good, piss off the middle upper middle classes.

everyone will bail on the EU eventually

>>30609984
You put it somewhere to full some papers and it wasn't there anymore. Or you change its place to tidy up your home and forgot where you put it

>>30607019
no more mp5s for you.

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>>30608679
This is literally the sort of person that ended up in the gas chambers.
>it's not so bad
>it's not getting progressively worse
>you're just paranoid

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>>30608804
Wake the fuck up

>>30607684
because people dont want to throw away the years worth of work they put in for their jobs, educations, credit scores, retirement plans, swimming pools, and kids to fight for something they arent sure they can win

>>30610078
At least the swiss can always tag out.
They quite literally have no one to blame but themselves, like no one else in Europe can really say.

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>>30609186

>>30610105
Except the time needed for us to vote on the gun laws would be greater than the time needed to EU to enforce the said laws. We're cucked

>>30609954
Honestly our best hope is to see Europe's darkest years once again, the European Union crumbling and all the far right wings party getting in power with all it implies would mean that people would realize how badly they fucked up by letting all that pass.

>>30608679
Go back to your cuckshed, Sven. Jamal's not done fucking your wife yet.

>>30609186
Leftist Frenchfriend is that you?

>>30608679
-ban of all firearms that look like "automatic weapons of war" : bye bye AR15, Saiga, Vz58, FAL, etc
-ban of all handguns that can shoot more than 21 rounds without reloading
-ban of all rifles that can shoot more than 11 rounds without reloading
-ban of all rifles which length can be reduced to less than 60 cm, either with a telescopic stock, folding stock, or a stock that can be removed easily
-ban of all category A firearms (although they are already banned in France, but they are trying to fuck up countries like the Czech republic or Switzerland by doing so)
-new deactivation standards for the whole of the EU, which have been in effect since april, requiring a deactivated gun to be fully welded and pinned so that no part can be moved or disassembled, not even the magazine. Even with the new deactivation standard, deactivated weapons that look like an automatic weapon of war will still be banned
-category D will be removed, and everything that was in it will be moved into category C, meaning that you'll need a license, a safe and registration in order to buy antiques, black powder replicas, deactivated guns, blank guns (starter pistols), replicas (including airsoft and paintball), etc...
-a special tax on guns and ammo
-the marking of all parts of a gun with a serial number, as well as the marking of every single cartridge in each ammo box
-ban of internet sales
-making it illegal to buy guns or ammo with only cash
-stricter medical exams

Sure doesn't look that bad, eh? Kys

>>30606899
That ProTell picture is goddamn right
Switzerland in charge of "ads"

>>30609975
>>30609990
So nothing was learned after all. Lovely.

>>30610183
>-making it illegal to buy guns or ammo with only cash
How am I doing it then? By snapping my finger?

>>30608290
Off of one sinking ship onto another sinking ship

>>30610183
>you'll need a license, a safe and registration in order to buy antiques, black powder replicas, deactivated guns, blank guns (starter pistols), replicas (including airsoft and paintball), etc...
>you need a safe to legally own a deactivated non-firing gun or replica, airsoft guns, and paintball guns
Holy shit you guys are fucked

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>>30609954
>>30610209
So what's the correlation with the 5 EU committees and a king ruling a country? You still haven't answered

>>30609469
>terrorist attack in EU using smuggled fullauto AK's
>"EU has decided to ban all guns!"
>"but they're already banned, ma'am"
>"W..Well, I guess we need to double ban guns and super-ultra outlaw terrorism!"
>EU committee and citizens all clap and pat each other on the back
>mass media proclaiming what a progressive reigion EU is
>welcome in another 5 million refugees

>>30609984
Canada, particularly southern Canada, has a lot of lakes and coastline.
Boating accidents happen all the time.
There is also the old gem
"I sold it to Mike, from Canmore. He had a PAL, everything checked out. What, he didn't report the sale to you? That's odd..."
Or of course "I was on the way to the range and bikers broke into my car!"

>>30606899
What happens if the country like refuse to enforce it?

I mean seems bullshit law.

>>30610279
They can't. That's literally the point of it

>>30610270
That either one will fuck you over any it pleases then make you say "Thank you, my lord, may I have another?"

>>30610273
Yep, that's modern Europe in a nutshell.

>>30610279
The EU fines the shit out of the country. I mean I guess the nation could refuse to pay the fines, but that would result in an arseload of sanctions.

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JUST FUCK MY RESERVIST GUNS UP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czLYl4fM8yk

>>30610279
The other EU countries will stop trade and all other penalties in order to bully the refusing country.

>>30610289
So Scandinavia can ignored this the ban and carry on the norm?

>>30610290
Except you can't argue/negociate with a king but you can with the EU committees.

>>30610279
Its like not inviting that one kid that called the birthday kid a poopoohead to the birthday party

>>30610319
Scandinavia is fucked too. Like all EU and Schengen

>>30610316
>>30610300
I hope a large group of country refuse to listen to EU ruling.

EU can keep their imaginary debt to themselves.

>>30610345
That's a hollow hope when the majority of people living in the EU are sheep

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>>30610323
>but you can with the EU committees.
I've yet to see proof of such thing. Please prove me wrong. Seriously. Prove me wrong I don't want to give up hope on you guys.

>>30610225
By using a debit card

>>30610358
You can't, we had hopes when they started debates at the commission and most of them said the text was awful and useless then we had the results of their vote.

>>30610357
Well a parallel universe EU did that. I hope they're happy and shit. Wish that was our universe.

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>>30607007
>112.6
F.R.E.E.D.O.M. I.S.N.T. F.R.E.E.

>>30610358
>Literally what initiatives are
>Literally why it has to go to so many contraptions to even pass a law that will only be applied in 2 years
>Literally why the guys who propose the law can't vote on it

>>30610378
D.U.T.Y is better

>>30610279
Others have already answered, but don't forget that the main driving force behind the ban is French minister of interior, Bernard Cazeneuve, pressuring the EU MEPs with muh 130 killed by terrorism.
MEPs are under extreme pressure from socialists and greens from all countries. That can even goes as far as threats.

>>30610367
>thinking everyone has credit cards
>not knowing half of the gun shops only accept cash

>>30610395
Haha you said doody

>>30608577
But we don't have magazine limits.

>>30610404
I have never seen a single gun shop who didn't take debit cards but whatever, blame the fucktards behind this law, not me. I guess their goal is to be able to trace down all financial transactions concerning anything related to guns.

>>30610368
;-;
>>30610390
And how difficult are these processes?

>>30610440
You need one people signing an initiative for it to be considered by the EU, you can't make initiatives to oppose things, you can only propose new things.

>>30610368
Because nobody fucking comes to those voting sessions. They're supposed to be more than a hundred of guys in there but only 37 showed up

>>30610462
Then how does one stop bad legislation? By proposing new less shit legislation?

>>30610482
You can't.
The EU is like a gift that keeps on giving.

Why would European gun owners not just immigrate to the greatest country in the world which is the United States of America?

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>>30610503

>>30610482
You don't, even useful shit like unique phone tarification in the EU didn't pass because it was infringing on the right of phone companies to fuck you over.

>>30610503
Because you don't let us migrate over there.

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>>30608679
how do you say SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED in Serbian?

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>>30606899
Fucking fucked fuckity fuuuuuuuuck.
Fuck this fucking EU cuntshit and fuck this spineless government. Someone ought to go to Brussels and sew their balls in their goddamn eyesockets.


What the fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>30610503
because there's some faggot building a wall

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>>30610503
Because the US give hell to white people who want to come legally while mexicans can just hop over the border and make an anchor baby

>>30610503
>>30610536
He has a point.

Fuck these Syrian refugees, we need to let in European refugees.

>>30610494
>>30610520
You guys need guillotines again.

>>30610609
Or you could marry some of us so we can get in Freedomland.

>>30610631
I am not opposed to adopting a qt /k/ommando.

>>30610482
the only one who can propose new legislation is the European commission, which means there's no real way to reverse bad legislation, or choose a new path of legislations.

It's really a dictatorship, but those stupid fucks down south can't seem to grasp it yet.

>>30610414
I like M.O.N.O.L.I.T.H

Wasn't the FN FAL 20 round only. Where was the defacto capital of the EU again?
Gee, I wonder who could be behind this.

>>30610812
FYI there is a 30 rounds magazine for the FAL. And I believe for the G3 too. Also, some very high capacity magazines compatible with these magwells and magazine catchers have been made in the US.
So, technically, everything with a magwell may be a more than 20 rounds capable weapon. And thus bannable.

It's bullshit ! And it's gonna be the last error of these pricks.

Meanwhile the mudslimes acquire complete arsenals they use to KILL AND TERRORISE !!!

>>30610896
I fucking hope there will be more attacks. Maybe people will get fed up and overthrow those fucks.

>>30606919
Why do so many people treat this as a total gun ban, when it's just one type of guns being armed?
The majority of guns in Europe are not semi auto to begin with. They're bolt action rifles and doublebarrel/pump action shotguns because the hunting/fudd community is much bigger than the sporting community.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending EU or anything that it does. As a Norwegian I'd like to see it burn. But none of my guns are semi auto any way and very few of the hunters I know have semi auto guns. So I feel for the sports shooter guys cause they are the ones that will suffer. But that doesn't mean I am losing my funs because they aren't even semi automatic.

>>30609001
This implies that civilian european gun owners have ever been a deterrent against invasion in the first place.
Protip: I don't think Russia has ever been afraid of the civilian gun owners. And our defense has always been based on the professional military organizations + militias that are organised and armed by the government.

>>30611016
You do realize that this ban is going all according to a plan started by Cecilia Maelstrom years ago, right? That their plan was to ban ALL guns eventually, but not all at once. First semi-auto rifles, then handguns, then any gun with a magazine, and then they'll ban the few guns left.
Note that hunting will eventually be banned as well, the greens have been working on this for decades. Eventually, eating meat will be banned as well, nordic countries are already experimenting insects and algae to completely replace meat in human consumption.
Yes, while us sport shooters lose our guns, you'll keep your fudd hunting shit. That's the point, to not hurt too many people at once, so that there isn't too much opposition. Furthermore, they are saying to hunters "if you help us banning evil sporting weapons, we'll let you have your hunting shit for a little while more". But they'll come for your guns someday, I guarantee it. You might not believe it, until the day it happens, but it's going to happen, in 10 years at most.

>http://www.coventry.ac.uk/Global/08%20New%20Research%20Section/FINAL%20EFFECT%20PROJECT%20REPORT.pdf
They funded a research program on the effect of firearms in the EU and literally came to the conclusion that
>More handgun ownership leads to less victimization, however being armed increases the chance of escalation
>Gangs is a big reason for gun crime
>It's more important to focus on criminal not the gun/weapon
>Most firearms in crimes are smuggled

>>30611176
I'll add that some French politician (France is the main force behind the ban, by the way) said at some point about hunting weapons :

>do you think it's normal for hunters to have guns when they are old and have a bad eye sight? There should be strict medical exam who ban people with glasses from owning guns. Their guns are extremely dangerous, their Winchester (sic), can shoot up to 1500 meters, they are almost weapons of war.

The key word here is "weapon of war". Currently in leftist lingo, it designates evil semi-auto rifles. But don't worry, your bolt action will become a weapon of war someday as well.
After all, bolt actions used to be weapons of war in the past.

>>30611075
The biggest problem with invasion and conquest is locals rebelling. Without guns said rebelling is a lot harder. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

>>30611176
oh no, not the almighty Cecilia Maelstrom and her powerful swedish green party?!

lol, she isn't the only person who has wanted this, that doesn't mean her ebin master plan is in motion and that the rest of her plan will naturally unfold.

Make fun of the fudds if you want, but they are the ones with some actual sway in politics and the main reason we still have gun ownership. it certainly isn't the sports shooters who convince politicians to keep guns. It's the hunters.
And you're clueless about hunting if you think it will go away. The government actually sort of like us because we do their animal population control for free. The fauna need to be managed and controlled so that it stays diverse.

Who is gonna shoot all those cancerous wild boars for example? The government will thank us when we do that.

>>30611213
How will they justify labelling over/unders as weapons of war?
>This gun can fire many pellets in one shot, it is a weapon of war.

>>30611284
>The biggest problem with invasion and conquest is locals rebelling.
I can't really agree with that, the military organization that is defending the country is a bit more bothersome to defeat than some loosely organized and untrained civilians with subpar equipment

>>30611368
Which is why USSR and America have done so well in the middle-east

>>30611368
And yet they fucked up all of the middle east.

>>30609461
This is why they have to detonate trash in a 3" thick steel box before tossing it into the incinerator.

>>30611378
>>30611379
the middle east failed because of middle eastern politics, western ideas on how to govern those countries simply don't work

from a military point of view, they wiped the floor with the rebels and killed people in droves
the kill ration in the middle east is insane, and the rebels are constantly defeated on the battlefield

that sort of civilian defiance doesn't necessarily require guns, it just requires a civilian population that will never do what the invaders want them to

>>30611455
I have to disagree. Guns are a deciding factor in any form of group that is resisting what they see as invaders.

>>30611295
Keep telling yourself you're so high and mighty and politicians can't touch you. You'll lose your hunting shit before 10 years, mark my words.

>>30610551
Idi u picku mater.

>>30611284
In America for example the militia/weekend warriors bring their own guns and ammo.
In a lot of european countries they are armed by the government.
So there will be opportunities to rebel. Guns are still going to be present. In my country the Home Guard has hidden gun caches for such occations.
It's just a different mentality and approach to the militia/reservist/weekend warrior. The average civilian with a mind to resist a foreign invader would go to the Home Guard. And weapons are still gonna be here for times of war.

>>30611368
And your shitty below 2% GDP NATO spending goals military will be swept away like toys when the armed men without unit markings show up to liberate your minority Russian population.

The long term thorn is occupation. It's hard to operate a new territory when urban snipers keep shooting patrols and resistances fighters keep breaking infrastructure and bombing shit.

Look at the polish army vs the polish resistance in WWII. Arguably neither were very effective, but the resistance accomplished more strategically than the initial defense of Poland.

>>30608407
I do.
British arent leaving Schengen, theyll just become a Norway; subject to all the rules without even a vote.
Beautiful.

>>30607007
That stat makes me wonder home many americans admit to owning guns.

If somebody called out of the blue and asked if i had guns in the house id say no.

>>30611530
Ah it's a cultural thing. I see your point now. However, as an amerikan I still prefer to keep my own weapons and have those caches as reinforcement or a back bone to what civilian defenders already have.

>>30608562
Why dont you make like a leaf and tree.

>>30611560
Well considering the UK never signed the Schengen agreement in the first place, I expect it isn't easy for them to leave. Idiotic amerifat

>>30611532
If Russia is foolish enough to go against NATO it will be fighting on multiple fronts against multiple countries, so those 2%s will start to add up my friend.

>>30611378
>>30611379
Most middle eastern countries have awful gun bans as well, and the rebels arm themselves with stolen guns taken from military depots and such which they have "liberated".

And if there was an invasion in Europen, I have a feeling military guns would be liberated in a similar fashion. The criminals here already have illegal weapons. So european rebels would get them too.

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>>30611633
>But NATO
We're NATO. And by "we're" I mean team America force, who will save your sorry asses for the third time in a century if shit kicks off before 2018. You're welcome btw, but your resistance fighters feeding information, blowing up fuel depots, murdering Slavs, etc. plays a role that leads to American tanks with Garland's parading down your streets instead of T72s

>>30611633
2% of nothing is nothing, my German/Estonian/Italian/Latvian/whoever else isn´t funding their militaries, friend.

Although to be fair to the Baltics, they seem t be atleast trying to do something.

>>30611633
>NATO
You are so fucked if America doesn't save you.

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>>30607647
Having guns doesn't matter if you aren't allowed to use them

>Mohammed breaks into your house
>steals your shit
>kicks your dog to death
>you shoot him
>life in prison for murder

Any country which doesn't consider "self defense" a valid reason for gun ownership, is by definition cucked regarding gun laws

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>>30607543
That's the EU for you

>liberals will defend this

>>30611687
Europe really likes ignoring the 1993 USSR everything must go fire sale

>>30611764
They only like democracy when it suits them.

>>30609368
Why does an economic council decide the fate of guns?

>>30607335
I don't know wtf the poster meant, but his pic is a milling machine.

I used to run a few different mills as a summer job and one of them was a Hermle.

>>30610056
This. Enjoy your camp stays, you spineless fags. You did this to yourself

Can 37 people really decide what 740 million people have to do?

>>30610056
>gas chambers
In what now?

>>30607019
Why would you have to comply when you are not in the EU?

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>>30606899
>Comic fucking Sans

>>30612361
Just wait..

>>30608290
>>30608363
If you DARE to ever vote for a Democrat, you need to be removed.

We don't need any freedom loving socialists shitting up our country so that we can sink down to the levels of Yuropoors. I might not like the Republicans on a whole host of issues, but holy shit at least they don't want to be Europe.

>>30611566
I'd wager that close to a third of gun owners in the US would deny having any guns.

>>30612586
this

>>30606899
Wholly shit they can't even draw trigger discipline.

>>30612622
>tfw south texas
>sold them to a hispanic fiend of mine from work
>I dunno haven't seen him since he left to visit his family in the rio valley

>>30612586

Then the Republicans need to stop being the party of white men. They're getting so outflanked demographically it's not even funny, and it's only going to get worse and worse as the Hispanic vote increases. Even in the South, the rise of minorities will threaten their traditional stronghold.

If gun-rights advocates don't start converting Democrats to their cause, they'll sink with the rest of the GOP ship.

You tie yourself to the Republicans forever, you fall with them.

>>30612622
Depends how much time you have. New York's salt gun registry had like 96%+ noncompliance compared to the number of cucked ARs they thought were in the state.

>>30612103
They don't. It's just one step in the process. A very stupid process to be fair.

>>30612715
No one disagrees with this, it isn't even pertinent to the comment you replied to because you don't really address what was said there.

Voting Democrat means gun rights get fucked. Voting Republican means that they don't. Once some of the older GOP heads die off and younger people come to the top, things might change.

>>30612586
Now why would I vote left? I've never voted for leftists here, but what does that matter because the ones really running shit here aren't elected.

I don't even care about becoming a citizen right away I just want permanent residence. Can't vote unless I'm a citizen anyway.

>>30610812
lots of 30 cal mags maxed out at 20 cuz of cartridge size.

>>30610316
Nothing will happen. The EU will write a letter to say how angry it is and that's about it. The Schengen treaty changed shit for exports/imports. You just have to make your shipping company to make a custom declaration that costs 50 bucks.

>>30606899
Oh thank god i thought this was america for a second

Come here, eurocucks. We need more profuns in the new world

>>30608714
And these won't be available options in the EU?

>>30608989
There were several unregistered machine guns in '86. The kids threw most of them away because they are illegal. Same will happen in NY and CT.

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>>30609469
>>30609422
Uruguay has very good gun laws, for a South American country. And it's mostly farmers armed against niggers.

>>30606899
>gone

Not in Poland. :-)
We said fuck off to bolsheviks.

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>>30608679

>>30612715
>Republicans are the party of white men
>you tie yourself to the republicans, you fall with them
But what if I don't want to be a demographic minority? What if I think what happened in Haiti was horrible?

>>30608545

Switzerland is so based. I remember visiting Zermatt a couple of years ago and all the citizens were well armed with rifles yet the friendliest people I ever met.

Would be nice place to live out the remaining years of your life...if it wasn't so expensive.

Chocolate's good though.

>>30606899
Leave the E-ju

You can't reason with that collective of kikes, cucks, and crybabies (females). It's clearly moving towards a mini-NWO, campaign to gtfo while you still can.

>>30611016
Uh. Here in cucked, nogunz Sweden, there are still 600 firearms per 1000 people. Sports shooting is our 8th largest sport. Almost 700000 legal weapon owners total, out of 9.6 million. And MOST of us hunters own at least one semi auto. If they manage to ban all semi autos with a magwell here in the first instance, we're talking at least 1.5 million scrapped weapons in little Sweden only. Confiscated and melted down, no compensation.Which is a direct violation of our constitution, but EU doesn't give a shit about that.

But what is even worse is the 5 year permits they wish to impose. My dad is almost 70, how long are they going to let him hunt? Who is going to do the 700.000 extra mental and physical evaluations each 5 year? Our overworked shrinks and doctors? We have 5 year permits on handguns now and it fucking sucks. Let me tell you, I would give my left nut for an unregistered, suppressed rifle in .300 whisper, because this is going to go from bad to catastrophic.

>>30610503
Because i choose to fight fir my rights!
Fuck the EU

>>30611746
Fuck off you un informed moron.

Someone brakes into your house and threaten you or your family's life?
Shooting him is perfectly fine. Sweden has good self defence laws it's just that we don't are allowed to cc or oc around town etc.
Out hunting and someone threatens you or anyone else's life? Shoot the tucker.

Best example is when a father killed two seventeen year old guys who had bullied his son for several year. They came to their house and said they where going to kill the son. Baam! Dad shoot the first one square in the chest other guy ran, shoot him in his back.
Went after him and as he begged for his life on his knees killed him with a shot to the chest.
No jail time for the father. Beautiful.

>>30606899
Sweden and Finland has said it won't follow if these laws pass as it would interfere with our gunculture.

By the looks of it won't pass in he parliament either so I am not to worried.

>>30616269
We're still in the fucking Schengen treaty and have to adopt all retarded EU directives that are invented in Brussels. Fuck me!

Has the Czech government said anything about this?

The amendment is a directive. Here's the definition of an EU-directive: A directive shall be binding, as to the result to be achieved, upon each Member State to which it is addressed, but shall leave to the national authorities the choice of form and methods.

Therefore, even if the amendment passes, member states are more or less free to decide how the directive has to be applied.

>>30607222
>>30606899
>A magazine carrying 21 or more rounds exists for a gun
>That gun is now illegal
>A magazine carrying 21 or more rounds could be created for a gun
>That gun is now illegal
>Thank you for your taxes citizen, your hard work is what allows the EU to afford to keep everyone safe!
>Btw we just imported another 1 million unaccompanied male refuge children that your hard work and taxes will pay for!

>>30611722
>WW2
>germany lost
>saved your asses

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>>30610395
DUTY are the pencil pushing assholes that ban things.

FREEDOM lights the way

Volya

>>30608829
I think that the worst that will happen in Switzerland will be that you will have to join a club to be able to own guns for sports.

Since basically everyone is already a member of the SSV it won't be a problem.

>>30615456
To be able to get to the US i have to

>go to university first to be qualified
>work after university and get some money together
>get a greencard
this takes a whole lot of time if youre not a beaner or refugee

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So, if I own a Valmet M62s can I expect a visit from bolice soon or not? I think our government will just tell the EU to fuck off.

>>30617325
I'm not in the SSV. I have no official ordinance gun. What do I do now? Sell my AR and AK because some French, Belgian and Luxemburg cucks cannot have enough Muslim cocks up their asses?

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>>30617382
Prepare to learn how to preserve and produce makeshift time capsules.

>>30617360
And that's why the democrats are winning. It's easy as hell to import people who will vote for you based entirely on your stance on entitlements, this is why they're against laws that require ID for voting.

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>>30617418

>>30617325
>Since basically everyone is already a member of the SSV it won't be a problem.
Basically no. Half of the population doesn't even know it exists. And even if you know...

Best exemple is me: I'm a shooting instructor, I shoot every weekends and I'm not even part of the SSV

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>>30606899
this should have been obvious

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>>30617382
>I think our government will just tell the EU to fuck off.

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All I can hope for is that the EU makes an exception for Estonia (and Finland) because of our reservist system.
If not, we're completely FUBAR.

>>30617475
Only exception is for Switzerland

>>30617477
Is that final? Do you have any links?

>>30617423
To be honest, I'd really like to move to the US, mainly because you are free to go innawoods and use your guns there. Also not as densely populated as germany.

I'd really want to, but for me its just impossible in the next 5 years with university ahead and because of that money problems aswell.

>>30617483
Probably

I can try to find it again in my browser's history

>>30617477
Switzerland isn't in the EU you mong.

>>30617483
>>30617486
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/gun-control-_eu-won-t-ban-swiss-army-rifles-at-home/42014790

Can't find the second article though

>>30617495
It's part of Schengen you mong

See >>30610078

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>>30617501
Oh god. I feel like all I can do is just hope for all my heart that Estonia and Finland may get a voice in the matter.

>>30610404
>>not knowing half of the gun shops only accept cash
So what? Most gun shops in the EU will go out of business with these new laws

>>30616594
Any chances of you fucking off any time soon? Its time to make Switzerland neutral again!

>>30616548
I'm not so sure if Sweden will ignore the directive. Pretty much every single party in parliament save the Left Party and the Sweden Democrats are HUGE EU cucks.

>>30615564
>same will happen
Just like how I've converted several of my friends to be non-compliers after the laws went into effect? Vermont is just a short drive away...

>>30610503
because you have import ban on guns?

>>30606899
thank you EU for making law abiding citizens, the criminals. and letting in countless amount of illiterate terrorizing rapefugees

>>30617438
Then we need to make our own shooting federation, a bullshit tactical shooting federation. We also need to create a new form of competition that requires semi-automatic rifles with high-capacity magazines (ex. 30 rounds rapid fire on single target at certain distance, smaller grouping wins or 10 rounds rapid fire on three targets, smaller groupings win).

>>30607493
>51 votes determine laws for the entire United States
That's how a representative political system works you idiot

>>30617519
Problem is that the economic sectors absolutely want to be in Schengen. All liberal parties (most of the FDP, most of the CVP, the SP, the greens and others) want to be in Schengen. All fucking students, and wannabe artists, hipsters, vegans, crossfitters, alternatives, and bobo's, they all enjoy Schengen and being able to travel to Estonia, Denmark and Croatia without having to show their ID.I highly doubt that we would win a vote to leave Schengen.

>>30606899
Hey OP, you know there's Viagra for your shooting problems, right?

>>30617774
That already exists though. Tactical shooting is a thing in Switzerland, at least there's one in Geneva but I don't have the time to try it

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>>30616076
Have a comemorative edit.

Even with all their bullshit laws, murricans still dont realise how incredibly worse europan ones would be.

>>30617975
It's just a club. Any idiot can open a club. That's why clubs have no legitimacy in Switzerland. You can open a taekwondo club in Switzerland, but if you're not part of the WTF or the ITF federations then you are no one.

What we need is an organized and recognized federation for shooting with semi-auto rifles with high-capacity mags. It's the only way to find a way around the EU amendment. And forget the IPSC Federation. In Switzerland they mostly do only pistol shooting because there's not enough space for rifle competitions. And anyway, joining one of the few IPSC club is extremely difficult and very costly, and they are very snob.

So, I say it again we need the Swiss Tactical Sport Shooting Federation (SVTS Schweizerischer Verband für Taktisches Sportschiessen, FSTT Fédération Suisse de Tir Sportif Tactique, and the equivalent in Italian).

>>30618253
Well this club is affiliated with the FST-SSV so it should work. I don't their exact terms with the federation though

Damn EU parliament. It exactly knows that terrorism and crime are linked to socio-economic factors and not with gun ownership, yet, it criminalizes law abiding citizens and taxpayers.

>>30610503
Your gov does everything it can to keep anyone trying to immigrate through legal channels out